@mac6595 The video isn't very well synced with the audio, this is a pretty old youtube video. There is a degree of spin-down time, but not much. It can be almost totally eliminated by fitting an AB (active braking) MOSFET.
@bruffy1234 It's a very, very dark grey, or a slightly funny looking black. Often photos of it will make it appear to be far more black than it actually is. That, or it's a photo of a much older ICS M4. They painted them matt gun metal grey 4 or 5 years back, but changed to a more black paint a while ago.
@DrewRod13 At this point, stock apart from a stock Tokyo Marui piston (modified) and a Systema Turbo (which I will never use again, awful motor). Might be worth looking at the parts lists on my newer M4 videos, they're more refined and up to date. A solid 30,000 round piston lifespan at 38rps is the minimum you'd want, there's no reason that high speed guns can't be reliable.
@yayapfool I specifically said the "limit" was for this gun and this particular moment in time... it was upgraded later on, as you'll seen see if you have a look at the video on it. I can assure you 38 rounds per second IS highly effective outdoors, unless the site is a vast wasteland where nothing under 450fps will do. I don't know how new you are to airsoft, but not so long ago MOSFETS, talk of short-stroking or AoE, and guns that fired over 25rps were not all that common.
k i don't care how many BB's are flying AROUND me or falling to my feet, this thing is useless outdoor, i live in washington, mostly outdoor courses, you'd be destroyed, haha
but dude, i know it would be a RAPEYOURSHIT gun in CQC or midrange, but i'm just sayin, not on the feilds i play on over here
@yayapfool Depends on the terrain mate: woodland is outdoors, and can be fairly confined at times. As I said, I don't play at any sites where there are extreme ranges, and in addition, the UK limit is 377fps absolute maximum for a full auto gun of any kind. At the same courses you play (with all guns at UK limits), my gun would be fairly handy. To be honest, the "advantage" isn't all that great at all, but it makes a slight difference, and a huge psychological difference against some.
hey man thats cool, but u shouldnt do that. ICS is made for fps range and reliability, not rate of fire. They do not take well to lipo batterys. I would not mind if u did that to a CA but ICS you should not.
@49860 Shouldn't do that? Mate, part of the REASON I run guns this fast is because it something one "shouldn't do", and something many people consider impossible to do reliably.
In addition, I don't know WHERE you got it into your head that one brand is massively better than another for high speed... high FPS and RoF put VERY similar stress on the internals. Besides, it's not like you HAVE to run high speed on stock parts.
Sounds like "u" need to do a bit more research into upgrading AEGs.
@yayapfool Do explain! As far as I can see, the stress to the piston is fairly similar. High RoF has the picking being engaged by the sector at high velocity, high FPS has the picking taking the strain of a much stronger spring. Gear wise, high speed operation and high torque operation make very little difference to stress: they're both stressful, and the outcome is exactly the same. Either slightly worn teeth, or failure.
I'm running my gun, 400fps/ 35-40rps with a 11,1V lipo and a TM piston without shortstroking any teeth. After 1000 shots there was barely any wear on the piston and no signs of premature engagement. TM pistons are the way to go!
That's the spirit! Yeah, I can see how the higher FPS would work to increase the piston speed so much you wouldn't need to shortstroke at all, and get ALL the FPS! Awesome!
Altough I stripped my TM bevelgear :P Well, it has been in 3 different aeg's for the last 2 years, and for 6 months in my other highspeed gun. But luckily I have lot of spares :D
Could just be the stress I put on them with the pinion gear. I knew ICS spur gears were poor for losing teeth, but mine never seemed to. Too often anyway....
Really??? LOLZZZZ I BROKE BOTH MY SECTOR AND MY SPUR FIRST XD BLEHAHAHAHA. My Bevel is still kickin strong. Oh yeah I'd rather have JG gears than TM gears... TM GEARS SUCK DICK =D They aren't even steel lolz JG gears are at least reinforced steel =D
... i ripped mine apart in my Tm m4 s system xD belahahahah lolz =D ripping stuff apart is fun and I love how you were like i just fried my motor =D <-- awesome face!!!
While your dedication to safety is admirable, please do not comment upon things you know nothing about: you've never fired into that target, you've never been in my garage. You've never fired that AEG. You think I'd piss around with my sight if I thought there was even a remote risk of injury?
Essentially a wooden box, with space for a cardboard cut-out, and a heavily lined back second to reduce BBs bouncing. I fire that many rounds because of high RoF testing. If you want a gun to fire at silly rates of fire (Say 38 rounds per second) and be skirmishable reliable, youre wise to test it well in the lab. That adds up to a massive number of BBs. That or you end up constantly having your gun break. Not good, high RoF is most addictive, a broken gun is a real downer.
Rubbish: ever tried running a gun at 38+ rounds per second my friend? A massive amount of things need to be taken into consideration if you want more than a handful of thousand rounds out of your piston. Have a little try, see if you can get 40,000+ rounds out of a stock TM piston on your first try.
And the target was designed to prevent BBs coming back at high velocity in my general direction. Not to capture every single BB, which is possible, but not very practical in this case.
@Corvid Then why are you still using a TM piston? They are good, but not that good. And im unable to use them when running a short stroke setup, because as you probably know they only have a single metal tooth.
They are the best in my opinion. Not only are they strong and durable when modified properly, but they are also extremely cheap, $11 each from HK. If you consider how easily a high RoF gun can chew up a piston out of the blue, expensive pistons make no sense: you'd be lucky to have one last long enough to die of natural causes". You can easily use them in shortstroke setups by moving the metal tooth backwards.
@Corvid They can be modified, but it will never hold up as good as a supercore piston. And TM pistons just arent strong enough for the setups me and most of the guys a my airsoft site use.
Unless a supercore can last some 150,000 rounds at 38+rps, they're not worth it. While they may well be able to last this long, as I said before, uncontrollable circumstances like gear stripping and BB jams take their toll. Not having a single problem, EVER over the course of 150,000 rounds isn't likely: thus, your piston never gets to live out its lifespan. Why not use a cheaper piston, and replace it more often?
With regards to piston, the TM piston is heavily swiss cheesed. The angle of sector/pickup engagement (AoE) is corrected, and the setup is shortstroked by one tooth. Run using an M110 spring to give a faster piston return speed. Riot SC Revolution gears.
@Corvid Because as you said, having a gun break when at a site is a real downer..
And a supercore does last a looong time.
When using a short stroke setup the chance of a bb' jamming AND crushing the piston is less likely to happen, and gear stripping is not very likely when using RiotSC gears ;)
Give a supercore piston a go, with the aoe fixed it should hold up a LONG time.
Shortstroking and the various modifications make absolutely no difference to how well a setup will survive a BB jam unfortunately. I defy anyone to run a 38rps setup with an M110 spring for 184,000 rounds without the piston failing. Because that is exactly how many rounds a supercore would have to last to make it more economical than a Tokyo Marui piston at $11.
Youve slightly misunderstood me with regards to guns failing...
@Corvid If you're running a good setup, then the piston wont fail because of "something", then it will fail because it is worn out.
And yes, short stroking the sector gear will reduce the chance of a stripped piston because the piston will have less "travel time" / return to the forward position faster because the sector gear wont pull it all the way back. Which means the chance of the sector gear to engage the piston before returning is reduced. ( sorry about my crappy english )
Sorry my friend, sounds like I'm just not getting it across in the right words! Quite simply, you cannot prevent a bad enough BB jam from stripping the piston. There IS nothing you can do. If you want me to explain the physics in detail via PM, I'm fine with that, but a total jam is VERY highly likely to result in severe premature engagement. No amount of short-stroking or modification can overcome it.
Despite all this talk of parts not failing in theory, I still stand by what I said earlier: try and find just one person who has used the same piston for hundreds of thousands of rounds at 38+rps, with an M110 spring. It just doesn't happen often enough to be worth thinking about.
@Corvid Can i see your math, how did you calculate it to be 180 thousand bb's for the supercore to be more economic than a TM?
And why are you talking about a "total jam"? Can you please explain how a total jam happens?
If you stuff the barrel with dirt, or use small rocks as ammo then you are probably right, if you use AIM, BB-King, G&G, Madbull or alike, a total jam would probably never happen.
And yeah, id like to hear about the physics behind it in a PM.
@Corvid And yeah, i got a friend who's been running a short stroke setup with the same gears as you, combined with 5 teeth shortstroke and a M150 spring. Im not sure how many rounds he got through, all i know is that it is a lot.
We're both talking about theory: you simply cannot run a high speed gun without theory, as you must surely know. It is perhaps more important than experience... if you have flawless theory, you simply do not have problems. Same goes for hands on experience. Likewise, I've three years experience building, running and maintaining high RoF AEGs, and have a number of friends who do the same with whom I can compare notes. Good to know we both out stuff!
I honestly couldnt care less if a piston fails at a skirmish, so long as that piston fails through sheer wear, and after a decent lifespan. It takes me some 5 minutes to replace a piston.
The downer I was referring to is a unexplained failure: you cant simply slap another piston in and play on, because SOMTHING caused the piston to fail prematurely. That something needs to be totally eliminated (or at worst minimised) for the gun to be skirmishable. Hence testing to remove such variables.
In general, I find the vast majority of people who claim TM pistons to be inferior or mediocre are simply not using them properly. If youre running 400+fps at a crazy RoF, of course a TM piston isn't the best choice. But for under 370-ish FPS, it is massively underrated. Watch people shred them in their poorly set up AEGs, and those who know how to use them run them successfully in identical or faster/more intensive setups.
Errrr, didn't see the rest of my videos did you mate...
I tend to keep away from LiPoly because of the current involved, and the impact that has on the 18awg wiring I'm forced to use owing to lack of space.
ever considered that maybe you dont need that high of rof? i get away with 30 good shots per game, dont need to reload, pay for a hudge amount of bbs stuff like that. it just a suggestion. or is this an expiriment "to see how cool it can get".
Certainly does LESS damage to the motor than firing semi auto, which puts HUGE strain on the motor. You seem to think the motor "struggles" to fire the gun once up to speed, when actually it has very little trouble. The main strain is getting the gears up to speed. Lots of short bursts are going to do cause FAR more wear than a smaller number of long bursts.
you realize that electric motors are not meant to be run that fast for a long period of time. THEY GET HOT!!! when motors get hot, they seize up and typically self destruct.
Yeah? None of my guns in the past have EVER had the motor hot enough to be felt as "hot" through the grip, even after emptying entire hicaps in a single burst. The gun at this point is no exeptoin. At 38rps, the grip gets hot to the touch after a couple of hundred semi shots, or a few hicaps when doing bursts.
Naturally. That would be why I've taken the motor out the grip after a few long bursts. Warm, not hot. I've never killed a decent motor at low speed. Your statement that you could destroy the motor in an AEG that fast by firing bursts that long is total bollocks. Four full hicap winds at 38rps, now THAT is hot, almost too hot to touch the motor casing. In that case, I couldnt care less, 75,000 rounds is just fine for a $25 motor.
does this An peq fit a large 10.8 V battery? What an peq box can hold that battery , need help. I think the one of dboys cant hold a large ..CA i dont know.. need help
What AN/PEQ? My gun doesn't have one! And no, there are no battery boxes that hold a Sub-C cell pack of that voltage. Try Lipoly mate, or smaller cells like 4/5SC, my 12v battery pack is the same size as a normal 9.6v large pack.
More like 40rps really, unless the 11.1v pack is the same physical size as the current one (i.e. pretty huge). LiPoly batteries are WAY over rated sometimes; they simply have a little more power for their size and weight. The piston should last just fine at that speed to be honest... the only thing severely limiting such guns is the speed that the magazines feed at, and how fast that mag is used in relation to its capacity. 46rps had all of my magazines misfeeding continually.
Depends if the actual hicap mech inside can keep up with the RoF. From what I understand, AKs have problems with the length of the feed tube, and the force needed for the BBs to overcome gravity. If it can't keep up, you'll need to RoF up your winding mech, so it can fully wind the mag from empty in under a couple of seconds. That way you could wind and fire at the same time.
Please do take a look at my video entitled "ICS M4: 38rps". The gun has been running in that state for 35,000 rounds now, and will continue to do so until the piston fails. When it does, Ill spend 2 minutes replacing it, and carry on playing.
He may be sporting 1700 RPM or whatever but at 280 fps....cute. It wasn't even a CQB setup which is where ROF is needed. With 400 or 420 fps you could take that kid out from 70 feet and he would be done haha.
I beg to differ. I play at a site where the upper LIMIT is 300fps because the ranges are so close. You'll have a hard time even finding a 50-foot range to shoot someone at. There are players there who have played airsoft since before us two existed... and ALL of them wear full-face protection, which truely says something about how close and personal it gets there.
I too once believed RoF was inferior to FPS until I attended a woodland skirmish recently (my first for some years now). 290fps, a decent barrel, the best hop unit on the market (ICS), and a decent hop bucking. People simply failed to believe my gun was doing 290fps, when theirs had chronoed at 350+fps days before. With one exception, my gun had very nearly the same range as every gun there: and absolutely outshone every single one in game because of the volume of fire it could put down.
Dude when everyone is in tach vests, cami's, and pads 290 just wont cut it. I don't know where you play but where we are your out when your feel/hear the bb's, not when someone calls you out. With that in mind I will stick to my ICS M4 doing 900RPM but at 400FPS. Note, this is all woodland.
You got me at CQB, your right. But if that's the case then throw a shorty barrel on that thing and take off that fricken hand grip.
I've never NEEDED to call ANYONE out when using this gun. You'll feel 290fps JUST as much as 328fps when we are talking maximum effective range. Any closer, and 328 will certainly hurt a little more, but 290fps is certainly no joke in comparison, as anyone who has been on the receiving end can assure you. You will hardly feel the difference. And there are many more who can assure you that you wouldn't WANT my gun firing any harder at its current rate of fire...
Yea, there's not much difference, people lay far too much emphasis on FPS, and like Corvid said he has a site limit of 300, which in effect would make his gun in that situation better than most I should imagine. Not only that, but it's not worth trying to upgrade ROF and keep a high FPS, unless you've got a lot of time, skill and/or money.
But yea, good job Corvid, sounds great, gotta love a high ROF!
For the best part, the design of the hop unit itself matters very little, because it is out of our control: it certainly takes some explaining to say why the TM M14 hop unit performs so well. The G&P, KA, TM and ICS hop units are all fine... but as far as I am aware, none of them have tactile adjustment. The ICS unit is adjusted in "clicks", not just "turning a wheel". Not only can you adjust the hop in definite units, but your hop will STAY like that until YOU change it.
High RoF is actually quite easy really. Those who know enough about it tend not to find 45rps too "out of this world"... we could all have our guns running at 45+rps with a bit of work, but for me personally (and for most other people) 45rps is simply TOO much work. The slightest problem at 35+rps can snowball rapidly, and the faster you go the worse this problem gets. And then you have the problem of feeding... hicaps rapidly become inefficient, only firing off 60 or so rounds on a full wind!
Just about any body that accepts the version of gearbox a pro-win is. Although from what I hear, it will take a fair bit of fitting, you'll need a decent set of files and a lot of patience.
Can't see why you'd want to fit a prowin... unless you are running a silly FPS. And yes, any aftermarket V2 gearbox should fit a JG M4. The Guarder is better in the long run: the Systema Turbos have a design flaw than can kill the motor within a couple of months. Or it may last for years... you just don't know. From experience, the Guarder Revolution High Speed is virtually the same at the Turbo performance wise.
Gaurder revolution high speed motor, a MOSFET, stock ICS gears (with a king arms sector chip on the sector), Systema 6mm bushings, a Gaurder SP100 spring, and a Siwss cheesed piston with 2nd and 3rd teeth removed. The whole setup is shortstroked by one tooth.
ok... where do u play? how do u no i dont no about high speed? ics gears can take the strain so therefore all u need is and a better battery or motor. plus u have a 2 piece gearbox which is very quick and easy to maintain, so how does it take a lot of effort... the only thing u have to do is get some extra pistons and tappet plates.
Both your comments suggest you have no hands on experience with high-speed guns, that's all. Tappet plates rarely go, and pistons last a good 25,000 rounds in my gun now. However, getting the gun running smoothly to begin with DOES take a lot of effort and pistons, and would have taken considerably more time had I not used an ICS M4. Better battery and motor will help, but a MOSFET is also important to save the trigger contacts, and increase the RoF further.
Stock internals. All that's needed for just about ANY rate of fire. Although it would seem you don't realise the concept behind building high RoF guns... while it may be dead easy to GET a high RoF, keeping your gun running at that speed is a huge challenge, and requires a great deal of time and effort. At the kind of sites I skirmish at, you hardly NEED more than 280fps.
GETTING the RoF is child's play, as you'll undoubtedly find out! Keeping the gun running smoothly for a reasonable amount of rounds at a time can be exceptionally challenging if you aren't lucky, or don't know what you are doing! Good luck with the gun!
You remove the moving part of the delta ring (bayonet fitting) along with the spring, and tighten the part still attached to your gun. No, I can't be bothered with painting my guns. Too much hassle for the wear they get. And no, I don't have AIM. I did, to talk to a couple of people, but it was an absolute pain, so I no longer use it. It's made by AOL, that's just about enough for me.
niice, doesnt get in the way of aiming. hey u seem like u know a lot, i also have an ICS m4 ris version. it kinda wobbles, the ris. what do i have to do? tighten the delta ring?
Yup, tighten the delta ring (it should be rock solid at all times). Failing that, check the grub screws (they have hex/allen heads) in the middle of the outer barrel are done up. Failing THAT, undo those grub screws and screw the whole front outer barrel assembly back one rotation or so. Then do the screws up again.
What you see IS the battery, covered with a homemade neoprene sleeve. As for the gun, I did all internal work. Upgrading and maintaining AEGs is so easy that there is hardly an excuse for paying someone else to do it. Plus most of the repair/upgrade shops out there would dismiss claims of 30+rps guns running reliably as bullshit. Any high-speed enthusiast knows that such reliability is perfectly possible, but it takes time, and you do make certain sacrifices.
Not much. Any idiot can get their gun to fire that fast or faster. The part that REALLY counts is keeping the gearbox running smoothly. 40+rps certainly won't impress anyone if you spend half the day in the safe zone, and get through 5 pistons. Anyone who knows much about RoF will respect any gun running at over 30rps reliably... they will know how much time and effort goes into such a gun. Rather than the 30 seconds it took to attach a 13.4v battery to a stock AEG!
You need to get yourself a video up on youtube then my friend! I currently get 32, with a 9.6v battery, 328fps or close enough (general UK limit). 31rps? How long are your internals lasting? In terms of actual ease, getting a gun to fire at just about and RoF is dead easy... getting a 40,000 round piston lifespan is the harder part.
All wires have some sort of cover around them, obviously. The thickness of the actual metal of the wire is the main issue, not what covers it (well, it does matter if you lack space such as in an M4, but does not affect performance).
I have an upgraded version of the FA-MAS. But does the MOSFET damage the triggerblades also? I 've seen somebody who took the triggerblades off and added a microswitch.
No, MOSFETs are sometimes installed to STOP damage to trigger blades. Higher current and voltage batteries will make the blades spark and corrode: MOSFETs totally eliminate this. And yes, the current flowing when using a MOSFET is so low that you can (if you don't mind a full auto only gun) use a tiny micro switch. Doing that without a MOSFET usually requires a very tough micro switch... ones that can take many Amperes of current tend to be physically quite large.
Isnt that rof too crazy for ur Mechabox? O.O Ur gears, antireversal latch, piston, and spring will be in very bad condition if u continue like that :D:D, or r my wrong?
Yes, you are very wrong indeed. Gears hold up just fine, as does the anti reversal latch. The piston is the weak link, but a well modified one can last a good 40000 rounds. The spring doesn't even come into it.
You are correct in the sense that running a stock AEG at 30rps would ruin the piston very quickly. Contrary to popular belief, gearboxes do not "explode" and motors do not "burn" as the majority of people out there seem to think! The piston gets practically all of the wear and tear.
Unless you want a 30% RoF increase (not recommended in an unmodified FAMAS...) or are running a high current higher voltage battery which is arcing the trigger blades, a MOSFET won't do much. They are only really used as the finishing touches to upgraded guns (but could be used to slightly increase RoF with normal batteries).
Not much use when you can't see down it because the environment you play in is dark... At the site I play at there is ZERO light 24/7, everything is lit by lamps, and as such, it is in a constant twilight-like state. Hologram-style open dot sights work best if that's what you mean. But not iron sights.
At least you are on the right tracks! Most people seem to think gears and motors will "burn" up. The piston IS indeed the main concern. Ironically, you don't need to CHANGE many parts to cope with that RoF. You certainly don't need expensive gear sets and pistons: stock CA and TM pistons work the best, being tough, and dead cheap. Then you perform various modifications on them to keep them running smoothly. At worst a piston should be running for a good 20,000 rounds.
I have the same gun, Have had it for 1 year running a pdi 170% spring and have had noo problems what so ever. But yeah my piston is the only thing showing wear internally. And the paint on my receiver :(
I've got a few air rifles thanks, and I really cannot be bothered to jump through all the fucking hoops to get a firearms licence. All to buy something that is far more pointless for me to own than you make out an airsoft gun to be... I use my airsoft gun regularly, I keep it maintained, I upgrade it, ect, ect. .22 rifle? Brilliant: I can now shoot tin cans at five times the range I normally do. Whoop-dee-fucking-do.
It's probably a Leapers brand dot scope. I have a scope and the front sight is directly in front of it, but you can't see it because when it's magnified, you see through it.
As long as you are VERY serious about running a high RoF gun, I will help you. I get a lot of people asking me that question, and I simply haven't got the time unless people are genuinely interested! I'll send you a PM later on today.
Yo Corvid I have a few questions for you regarding a specific setup, and whether it would work or not. If you can PM me I can reply with the details and you can give me your opinion okay? (It's a Classic Army CA53 at 350fps 20-22rof)
Too high ROF for my taste actually.
Mjarf88 1 year ago
seems like at the end when you let off the trigger it keeps going for a few seconds
mac6595 1 year ago
@mac6595 The video isn't very well synced with the audio, this is a pretty old youtube video. There is a degree of spin-down time, but not much. It can be almost totally eliminated by fitting an AB (active braking) MOSFET.
Corvid 1 year ago
hey nice video i am about to buy one of these and was wondering does the ics m4 ris with the metal body have the grey colourd body or isit black
bruffy1234 1 year ago
@bruffy1234 It's a very, very dark grey, or a slightly funny looking black. Often photos of it will make it appear to be far more black than it actually is. That, or it's a photo of a much older ICS M4. They painted them matt gun metal grey 4 or 5 years back, but changed to a more black paint a while ago.
Corvid 1 year ago
hey man, can you PM me the parts list?
DrewRod13 1 year ago
@DrewRod13 At this point, stock apart from a stock Tokyo Marui piston (modified) and a Systema Turbo (which I will never use again, awful motor). Might be worth looking at the parts lists on my newer M4 videos, they're more refined and up to date. A solid 30,000 round piston lifespan at 38rps is the minimum you'd want, there's no reason that high speed guns can't be reliable.
Corvid 1 year ago
HEY WAT ALL MOD DID U PERFORM
spetsnaz97 1 year ago
not the limit, good CQC, but the RPM could be faster
...and total shit for outdoors, lol
yayapfool 1 year ago
@yayapfool I specifically said the "limit" was for this gun and this particular moment in time... it was upgraded later on, as you'll seen see if you have a look at the video on it. I can assure you 38 rounds per second IS highly effective outdoors, unless the site is a vast wasteland where nothing under 450fps will do. I don't know how new you are to airsoft, but not so long ago MOSFETS, talk of short-stroking or AoE, and guns that fired over 25rps were not all that common.
Corvid 1 year ago
@Corvid
how new i am, lol
k i don't care how many BB's are flying AROUND me or falling to my feet, this thing is useless outdoor, i live in washington, mostly outdoor courses, you'd be destroyed, haha
but dude, i know it would be a RAPEYOURSHIT gun in CQC or midrange, but i'm just sayin, not on the feilds i play on over here
yayapfool 1 year ago
@yayapfool Depends on the terrain mate: woodland is outdoors, and can be fairly confined at times. As I said, I don't play at any sites where there are extreme ranges, and in addition, the UK limit is 377fps absolute maximum for a full auto gun of any kind. At the same courses you play (with all guns at UK limits), my gun would be fairly handy. To be honest, the "advantage" isn't all that great at all, but it makes a slight difference, and a huge psychological difference against some.
Corvid 1 year ago
@Corvid
oh hell yeah, for some reason, people shit their pants hearing LiPo, like, it probly won't hurt as much as an average gun, but it just sounds so epic
and yeah my M4's around 400-500 FPS, if the limit over there is 377, then that gun would be comparable to higher powered ones anyway i guess
yayapfool 1 year ago
hey man thats cool, but u shouldnt do that. ICS is made for fps range and reliability, not rate of fire. They do not take well to lipo batterys. I would not mind if u did that to a CA but ICS you should not.
49860 1 year ago
@49860 Shouldn't do that? Mate, part of the REASON I run guns this fast is because it something one "shouldn't do", and something many people consider impossible to do reliably.
In addition, I don't know WHERE you got it into your head that one brand is massively better than another for high speed... high FPS and RoF put VERY similar stress on the internals. Besides, it's not like you HAVE to run high speed on stock parts.
Sounds like "u" need to do a bit more research into upgrading AEGs.
Corvid 1 year ago
@Corvid
stress on internals is totally different between RPM and FPS
yayapfool 1 year ago
@yayapfool Do explain! As far as I can see, the stress to the piston is fairly similar. High RoF has the picking being engaged by the sector at high velocity, high FPS has the picking taking the strain of a much stronger spring. Gear wise, high speed operation and high torque operation make very little difference to stress: they're both stressful, and the outcome is exactly the same. Either slightly worn teeth, or failure.
Corvid 1 year ago
what parts?
Horhey232 1 year ago
what did u do to make it cycle that fast i wanna do it to mine!
killratoss 2 years ago
@killratoss Making it RUN that fast is easy... MOSFET, nice high voltage battery with decent current draw, decent wiring, high speed motor. Simple.
KEEPING it running reliably and smoothly is a whole different story, and requires more effort the faster the gun fires.
Corvid 1 year ago
I'm running my gun, 400fps/ 35-40rps with a 11,1V lipo and a TM piston without shortstroking any teeth. After 1000 shots there was barely any wear on the piston and no signs of premature engagement. TM pistons are the way to go!
Maekiii 2 years ago
That's the spirit! Yeah, I can see how the higher FPS would work to increase the piston speed so much you wouldn't need to shortstroke at all, and get ALL the FPS! Awesome!
Corvid 2 years ago
Altough I stripped my TM bevelgear :P Well, it has been in 3 different aeg's for the last 2 years, and for 6 months in my other highspeed gun. But luckily I have lot of spares :D
Maekiii 2 years ago
TM bevel gears are pretty poor, it was always the first gear to go in my TMs!
Corvid 2 years ago
Umm its the only TM gear that is made of steel instead of pot metal, which makes it wery strong compared to the others.
Maekiii 2 years ago
Could just be the stress I put on them with the pinion gear. I knew ICS spur gears were poor for losing teeth, but mine never seemed to. Too often anyway....
Corvid 2 years ago
Really??? LOLZZZZ I BROKE BOTH MY SECTOR AND MY SPUR FIRST XD BLEHAHAHAHA. My Bevel is still kickin strong. Oh yeah I'd rather have JG gears than TM gears... TM GEARS SUCK DICK =D They aren't even steel lolz JG gears are at least reinforced steel =D
DeltaWinters88 2 years ago
... i ripped mine apart in my Tm m4 s system xD belahahahah lolz =D ripping stuff apart is fun and I love how you were like i just fried my motor =D <-- awesome face!!!
DeltaWinters88 2 years ago
You are an idiot for not using safety glasses.
Moulde 2 years ago
While your dedication to safety is admirable, please do not comment upon things you know nothing about: you've never fired into that target, you've never been in my garage. You've never fired that AEG. You think I'd piss around with my sight if I thought there was even a remote risk of injury?
Corvid 2 years ago
@Corvid Well.. I base my saying on what i see..
And what i see is bb's bouncing back, and you looking like you are very well aware bb's are flying around.
Moulde 2 years ago
Well, until you've fired many tens of thousands of round into that target, you'll never know.
Corvid 2 years ago
@Corvid What exactly is that target then? A box?
You telling me you have been firering tens of thousands of bb's into that box?
Sorry, but may i ask why?
Moulde 2 years ago
Essentially a wooden box, with space for a cardboard cut-out, and a heavily lined back second to reduce BBs bouncing. I fire that many rounds because of high RoF testing. If you want a gun to fire at silly rates of fire (Say 38 rounds per second) and be skirmishable reliable, youre wise to test it well in the lab. That adds up to a massive number of BBs. That or you end up constantly having your gun break. Not good, high RoF is most addictive, a broken gun is a real downer.
Corvid 2 years ago
@Corvid You do it right, you dont need to test it.
And if you made that box to prevent recochets, then you failed :)
Tens of thousands of bb's is alot of testing .. o.O
Moulde 2 years ago
Rubbish: ever tried running a gun at 38+ rounds per second my friend? A massive amount of things need to be taken into consideration if you want more than a handful of thousand rounds out of your piston. Have a little try, see if you can get 40,000+ rounds out of a stock TM piston on your first try.
And the target was designed to prevent BBs coming back at high velocity in my general direction. Not to capture every single BB, which is possible, but not very practical in this case.
Corvid 2 years ago
@Corvid Then why are you still using a TM piston? They are good, but not that good. And im unable to use them when running a short stroke setup, because as you probably know they only have a single metal tooth.
What's your setup?
Moulde 2 years ago
They are the best in my opinion. Not only are they strong and durable when modified properly, but they are also extremely cheap, $11 each from HK. If you consider how easily a high RoF gun can chew up a piston out of the blue, expensive pistons make no sense: you'd be lucky to have one last long enough to die of natural causes". You can easily use them in shortstroke setups by moving the metal tooth backwards.
Corvid 2 years ago
@Corvid They can be modified, but it will never hold up as good as a supercore piston. And TM pistons just arent strong enough for the setups me and most of the guys a my airsoft site use.
What is your setup?
Moulde 2 years ago
Unless a supercore can last some 150,000 rounds at 38+rps, they're not worth it. While they may well be able to last this long, as I said before, uncontrollable circumstances like gear stripping and BB jams take their toll. Not having a single problem, EVER over the course of 150,000 rounds isn't likely: thus, your piston never gets to live out its lifespan. Why not use a cheaper piston, and replace it more often?
Corvid 2 years ago
With regards to piston, the TM piston is heavily swiss cheesed. The angle of sector/pickup engagement (AoE) is corrected, and the setup is shortstroked by one tooth. Run using an M110 spring to give a faster piston return speed. Riot SC Revolution gears.
Corvid 2 years ago
@Corvid Because as you said, having a gun break when at a site is a real downer..
And a supercore does last a looong time.
When using a short stroke setup the chance of a bb' jamming AND crushing the piston is less likely to happen, and gear stripping is not very likely when using RiotSC gears ;)
Give a supercore piston a go, with the aoe fixed it should hold up a LONG time.
Moulde 2 years ago
Shortstroking and the various modifications make absolutely no difference to how well a setup will survive a BB jam unfortunately. I defy anyone to run a 38rps setup with an M110 spring for 184,000 rounds without the piston failing. Because that is exactly how many rounds a supercore would have to last to make it more economical than a Tokyo Marui piston at $11.
Youve slightly misunderstood me with regards to guns failing...
Corvid 2 years ago
@Corvid If you're running a good setup, then the piston wont fail because of "something", then it will fail because it is worn out.
And yes, short stroking the sector gear will reduce the chance of a stripped piston because the piston will have less "travel time" / return to the forward position faster because the sector gear wont pull it all the way back. Which means the chance of the sector gear to engage the piston before returning is reduced. ( sorry about my crappy english )
Moulde 2 years ago
Sorry my friend, sounds like I'm just not getting it across in the right words! Quite simply, you cannot prevent a bad enough BB jam from stripping the piston. There IS nothing you can do. If you want me to explain the physics in detail via PM, I'm fine with that, but a total jam is VERY highly likely to result in severe premature engagement. No amount of short-stroking or modification can overcome it.
Corvid 2 years ago
Despite all this talk of parts not failing in theory, I still stand by what I said earlier: try and find just one person who has used the same piston for hundreds of thousands of rounds at 38+rps, with an M110 spring. It just doesn't happen often enough to be worth thinking about.
Corvid 2 years ago
@Corvid Can i see your math, how did you calculate it to be 180 thousand bb's for the supercore to be more economic than a TM?
And why are you talking about a "total jam"? Can you please explain how a total jam happens?
If you stuff the barrel with dirt, or use small rocks as ammo then you are probably right, if you use AIM, BB-King, G&G, Madbull or alike, a total jam would probably never happen.
And yeah, id like to hear about the physics behind it in a PM.
Moulde 2 years ago
@Corvid And yeah, i got a friend who's been running a short stroke setup with the same gears as you, combined with 5 teeth shortstroke and a M150 spring. Im not sure how many rounds he got through, all i know is that it is a lot.
And who is talking about theory?
What i say is 100% my experience.
Moulde 2 years ago
We're both talking about theory: you simply cannot run a high speed gun without theory, as you must surely know. It is perhaps more important than experience... if you have flawless theory, you simply do not have problems. Same goes for hands on experience. Likewise, I've three years experience building, running and maintaining high RoF AEGs, and have a number of friends who do the same with whom I can compare notes. Good to know we both out stuff!
Corvid 2 years ago
I honestly couldnt care less if a piston fails at a skirmish, so long as that piston fails through sheer wear, and after a decent lifespan. It takes me some 5 minutes to replace a piston.
The downer I was referring to is a unexplained failure: you cant simply slap another piston in and play on, because SOMTHING caused the piston to fail prematurely. That something needs to be totally eliminated (or at worst minimised) for the gun to be skirmishable. Hence testing to remove such variables.
Corvid 2 years ago
In general, I find the vast majority of people who claim TM pistons to be inferior or mediocre are simply not using them properly. If youre running 400+fps at a crazy RoF, of course a TM piston isn't the best choice. But for under 370-ish FPS, it is massively underrated. Watch people shred them in their poorly set up AEGs, and those who know how to use them run them successfully in identical or faster/more intensive setups.
Corvid 2 years ago
Stick in the new TM 3000 motor looks a beast.
The151PIRU 2 years ago
Not very fast though, built for torque over speed.
Corvid 2 years ago
I use a Systema turbo and systema tightbore with my ics m4, a 9.6batt is too much of an ammo guzzler so i use an 8.4...
High rof is good for faster trigger response and hitting running targets better...imo
abdaloser 2 years ago
you don't give the rest of us a chance in games )=..jk jk
xkakashix12 2 years ago
NICE GUN!
what type of fps do you get with that spring?
awsomevertskater 2 years ago
wow so slow. :)
Epson5000 2 years ago
hey how accurate is ur ics? cuz my ics accuracy is crap with my madbull tightbore too...
TinyBaller 2 years ago
the easiest way right now for u to increse your rof (i know u dont want to) is to put a lipoly battery i that monster!
gibsonexplorer512 2 years ago
Errrr, didn't see the rest of my videos did you mate...
I tend to keep away from LiPoly because of the current involved, and the impact that has on the 18awg wiring I'm forced to use owing to lack of space.
Corvid 2 years ago
ever considered that maybe you dont need that high of rof? i get away with 30 good shots per game, dont need to reload, pay for a hudge amount of bbs stuff like that. it just a suggestion. or is this an expiriment "to see how cool it can get".
djr21co 2 years ago
I'm assuming for Shit's and the giggles...ROF is addicting...I don't use my high ROF ICS m4 in games, just for fun.
ajsnuker 2 years ago
dude
dont hold down the trigger for so long
it burns out the motor if you do it enough
Fez450 2 years ago
Certainly does LESS damage to the motor than firing semi auto, which puts HUGE strain on the motor. You seem to think the motor "struggles" to fire the gun once up to speed, when actually it has very little trouble. The main strain is getting the gears up to speed. Lots of short bursts are going to do cause FAR more wear than a smaller number of long bursts.
Corvid 2 years ago
you realize that electric motors are not meant to be run that fast for a long period of time. THEY GET HOT!!! when motors get hot, they seize up and typically self destruct.
randomnumber41 2 years ago
Yeah? None of my guns in the past have EVER had the motor hot enough to be felt as "hot" through the grip, even after emptying entire hicaps in a single burst. The gun at this point is no exeptoin. At 38rps, the grip gets hot to the touch after a couple of hundred semi shots, or a few hicaps when doing bursts.
Corvid 2 years ago
just because you can't feel the heat doesn't mean its not hot. you'll typically get a metallic sort of smell of a hot motor though.
randomnumber41 2 years ago
Naturally. That would be why I've taken the motor out the grip after a few long bursts. Warm, not hot. I've never killed a decent motor at low speed. Your statement that you could destroy the motor in an AEG that fast by firing bursts that long is total bollocks. Four full hicap winds at 38rps, now THAT is hot, almost too hot to touch the motor casing. In that case, I couldnt care less, 75,000 rounds is just fine for a $25 motor.
Corvid 2 years ago
does this An peq fit a large 10.8 V battery? What an peq box can hold that battery , need help. I think the one of dboys cant hold a large ..CA i dont know.. need help
blackhawk119 2 years ago
What AN/PEQ? My gun doesn't have one! And no, there are no battery boxes that hold a Sub-C cell pack of that voltage. Try Lipoly mate, or smaller cells like 4/5SC, my 12v battery pack is the same size as a normal 9.6v large pack.
Corvid 2 years ago
holy cqb batman
pregnantnproud 3 years ago
OH HOT DAMN.
HungAzn 3 years ago
Hell yeah!
ranj971 3 years ago
imagine if you put a lipo it that thing you'd be pushing 50 rnds a second but you piston would strip really fast
randomaznkenny 3 years ago
More like 40rps really, unless the 11.1v pack is the same physical size as the current one (i.e. pretty huge). LiPoly batteries are WAY over rated sometimes; they simply have a little more power for their size and weight. The piston should last just fine at that speed to be honest... the only thing severely limiting such guns is the speed that the magazines feed at, and how fast that mag is used in relation to its capacity. 46rps had all of my magazines misfeeding continually.
Corvid 3 years ago
ya, i am upgrading my ak to shoot around 30 rounds per second would you think that it would work well with electric winding mags?
randomaznkenny 3 years ago
Depends if the actual hicap mech inside can keep up with the RoF. From what I understand, AKs have problems with the length of the feed tube, and the force needed for the BBs to overcome gravity. If it can't keep up, you'll need to RoF up your winding mech, so it can fully wind the mag from empty in under a couple of seconds. That way you could wind and fire at the same time.
Corvid 3 years ago
you could get a sector gear clip, that would significantly reduce the number of skips.
randomnumber41 2 years ago
There WERE no skipped shots in this video mate. I can't hear a single one, and certainly didn't hear any in person when recording it.
Corvid 2 years ago
I didn't say there were any... that was SUPPOSED to reply to some guy wayyy down the line who asked how to get more reliable firing at high speeds
randomnumber41 2 years ago
That explains it then!
Corvid 2 years ago
that thing is going to tear itself apart
live2ride809 3 years ago
Please do take a look at my video entitled "ICS M4: 38rps". The gun has been running in that state for 35,000 rounds now, and will continue to do so until the piston fails. When it does, Ill spend 2 minutes replacing it, and carry on playing.
Corvid 3 years ago
thing is shooting ropes
Cellisima9 3 years ago
Hehe, Would be fun if there was any recoil
Gonamez 3 years ago
Hello!
What brand of mags do u use? Both CA and G&P fail feeding with my rof, which aint as fast as yours but still alot faster than a average.
SupraTompan 3 years ago
hey i have high rof aeg and the long echo 1 500 rd magazines and the ics 40rd mag feed the best
Evanespant 3 years ago
Hell Yeah, if you use a drummag you are the CQB king with that ROF :D
Helghastdude 3 years ago
Nah, that would just be silly!
Corvid 3 years ago
He may be sporting 1700 RPM or whatever but at 280 fps....cute. It wasn't even a CQB setup which is where ROF is needed. With 400 or 420 fps you could take that kid out from 70 feet and he would be done haha.
bikesair 3 years ago 2
I beg to differ. I play at a site where the upper LIMIT is 300fps because the ranges are so close. You'll have a hard time even finding a 50-foot range to shoot someone at. There are players there who have played airsoft since before us two existed... and ALL of them wear full-face protection, which truely says something about how close and personal it gets there.
Corvid 3 years ago
I too once believed RoF was inferior to FPS until I attended a woodland skirmish recently (my first for some years now). 290fps, a decent barrel, the best hop unit on the market (ICS), and a decent hop bucking. People simply failed to believe my gun was doing 290fps, when theirs had chronoed at 350+fps days before. With one exception, my gun had very nearly the same range as every gun there: and absolutely outshone every single one in game because of the volume of fire it could put down.
Corvid 3 years ago
Dude when everyone is in tach vests, cami's, and pads 290 just wont cut it. I don't know where you play but where we are your out when your feel/hear the bb's, not when someone calls you out. With that in mind I will stick to my ICS M4 doing 900RPM but at 400FPS. Note, this is all woodland.
You got me at CQB, your right. But if that's the case then throw a shorty barrel on that thing and take off that fricken hand grip.
bikesair 3 years ago
I've never NEEDED to call ANYONE out when using this gun. You'll feel 290fps JUST as much as 328fps when we are talking maximum effective range. Any closer, and 328 will certainly hurt a little more, but 290fps is certainly no joke in comparison, as anyone who has been on the receiving end can assure you. You will hardly feel the difference. And there are many more who can assure you that you wouldn't WANT my gun firing any harder at its current rate of fire...
Corvid 3 years ago
"You will hardly feed the difference."
I beg to differ. I guess that's where we stand.
bikesair 3 years ago
feel*
bikesair 3 years ago
Yea, there's not much difference, people lay far too much emphasis on FPS, and like Corvid said he has a site limit of 300, which in effect would make his gun in that situation better than most I should imagine. Not only that, but it's not worth trying to upgrade ROF and keep a high FPS, unless you've got a lot of time, skill and/or money.
But yea, good job Corvid, sounds great, gotta love a high ROF!
DecimusKrieg 3 years ago
well, when you can prove that the ICS hop unit is the best on the market, send me a PM..
I almost have indefinate proof that the ICS hop unit is inferior to at LEAST 3 others, G&P, KA, TM...
wezzel98765 3 years ago
For the best part, the design of the hop unit itself matters very little, because it is out of our control: it certainly takes some explaining to say why the TM M14 hop unit performs so well. The G&P, KA, TM and ICS hop units are all fine... but as far as I am aware, none of them have tactile adjustment. The ICS unit is adjusted in "clicks", not just "turning a wheel". Not only can you adjust the hop in definite units, but your hop will STAY like that until YOU change it.
Corvid 3 years ago
That isnt very fast my TM Beta Spetsnaz shoots 45 RPS.
bakhandbeatdown 3 years ago
Great stuff! Get yourself a video up man!
Corvid 3 years ago
Bull, I doubt 45.
But this video is amazing!
What did you do to it?
KEE1FUR1xx1CORE 3 years ago
dude... what are you running... shit, that would empty a midcap in a 1 second burst.
i saw an m4 shooting 44 rps and it was phenomenal... 25ish is good for me though...
animalmoth3r 3 years ago
High RoF is actually quite easy really. Those who know enough about it tend not to find 45rps too "out of this world"... we could all have our guns running at 45+rps with a bit of work, but for me personally (and for most other people) 45rps is simply TOO much work. The slightest problem at 35+rps can snowball rapidly, and the faster you go the worse this problem gets. And then you have the problem of feeding... hicaps rapidly become inefficient, only firing off 60 or so rounds on a full wind!
Corvid 3 years ago
that's really nice, what have u done with it?
new motor?
adam939393 3 years ago
Just a new motor in this video, and later a MOSFET.
Corvid 3 years ago
nice dude, that sounds like a fucking table saw lol.
nydrew00555 3 years ago
hey do u no wut body the prowin can fit in?
TinyBaller 3 years ago
Just about any body that accepts the version of gearbox a pro-win is. Although from what I hear, it will take a fair bit of fitting, you'll need a decent set of files and a lot of patience.
Corvid 3 years ago
wut do u mean silly fps? im gunna run 350. k thanks i think ill get the guarder
TinyBaller 3 years ago
Silly FPS being so high you have cracked a half decent gearbox in your AEG-smithing "career".
Corvid 3 years ago
nice. hey do u no if prowin will fit in a jg m4? is the guarder comparable to the systema turbo?
TinyBaller 3 years ago
Can't see why you'd want to fit a prowin... unless you are running a silly FPS. And yes, any aftermarket V2 gearbox should fit a JG M4. The Guarder is better in the long run: the Systema Turbos have a design flaw than can kill the motor within a couple of months. Or it may last for years... you just don't know. From experience, the Guarder Revolution High Speed is virtually the same at the Turbo performance wise.
Corvid 3 years ago
mmmm. so wut r u running internally?
TinyBaller 3 years ago
Gaurder revolution high speed motor, a MOSFET, stock ICS gears (with a king arms sector chip on the sector), Systema 6mm bushings, a Gaurder SP100 spring, and a Siwss cheesed piston with 2nd and 3rd teeth removed. The whole setup is shortstroked by one tooth.
Corvid 3 years ago
ok... where do u play? how do u no i dont no about high speed? ics gears can take the strain so therefore all u need is and a better battery or motor. plus u have a 2 piece gearbox which is very quick and easy to maintain, so how does it take a lot of effort... the only thing u have to do is get some extra pistons and tappet plates.
TinyBaller 3 years ago
Both your comments suggest you have no hands on experience with high-speed guns, that's all. Tappet plates rarely go, and pistons last a good 25,000 rounds in my gun now. However, getting the gun running smoothly to begin with DOES take a lot of effort and pistons, and would have taken considerably more time had I not used an ICS M4. Better battery and motor will help, but a MOSFET is also important to save the trigger contacts, and increase the RoF further.
Corvid 3 years ago
holy shit dude nice
element1030k 3 years ago
wow, that red dot is like a laser when your shooting it.
BravoAlphaRomeo 3 years ago
how did you get such high rat of fire
scholte36 4 years ago
Mice. Don't use rats, they are over-rated. :P
Higher mAh/voltage battery, better motor, MOSFET, better wiring.
Corvid 4 years ago
hahahahahaha m80 spring! duh that will make ur rof go up that and a higher battery. lol. wut internals r u running?
TinyBaller 4 years ago
Stock internals. All that's needed for just about ANY rate of fire. Although it would seem you don't realise the concept behind building high RoF guns... while it may be dead easy to GET a high RoF, keeping your gun running at that speed is a huge challenge, and requires a great deal of time and effort. At the kind of sites I skirmish at, you hardly NEED more than 280fps.
Corvid 4 years ago
Im doing this with my marui mc51 i am almost done with my home made box mag and it is gona work fine. ANy way man im gona get 33 bps lol
Iwasbored76 4 years ago
GETTING the RoF is child's play, as you'll undoubtedly find out! Keeping the gun running smoothly for a reasonable amount of rounds at a time can be exceptionally challenging if you aren't lucky, or don't know what you are doing! Good luck with the gun!
Corvid 4 years ago
that is a pretty amazing gun.
DCshorty2012 4 years ago
mmmm, i c. how do u tighten the delta ring? lol, and yeah u have any experience in paint jobs? have a few more questions thx. do u have aim?
MarineCorps1342 4 years ago
You remove the moving part of the delta ring (bayonet fitting) along with the spring, and tighten the part still attached to your gun. No, I can't be bothered with painting my guns. Too much hassle for the wear they get. And no, I don't have AIM. I did, to talk to a couple of people, but it was an absolute pain, so I no longer use it. It's made by AOL, that's just about enough for me.
Corvid 4 years ago
niice, doesnt get in the way of aiming. hey u seem like u know a lot, i also have an ICS m4 ris version. it kinda wobbles, the ris. what do i have to do? tighten the delta ring?
MarineCorps1342 4 years ago
Yup, tighten the delta ring (it should be rock solid at all times). Failing that, check the grub screws (they have hex/allen heads) in the middle of the outer barrel are done up. Failing THAT, undo those grub screws and screw the whole front outer barrel assembly back one rotation or so. Then do the screws up again.
Corvid 4 years ago
what is that holdin ur battery....peq box or ouch? whered ya get it it nice.
MarineCorps1342 4 years ago
What you see IS the battery, covered with a homemade neoprene sleeve. As for the gun, I did all internal work. Upgrading and maintaining AEGs is so easy that there is hardly an excuse for paying someone else to do it. Plus most of the repair/upgrade shops out there would dismiss claims of 30+rps guns running reliably as bullshit. Any high-speed enthusiast knows that such reliability is perfectly possible, but it takes time, and you do make certain sacrifices.
Corvid 4 years ago
damn what have u done to get the weapon like that???
adam939393 4 years ago
Not much. Any idiot can get their gun to fire that fast or faster. The part that REALLY counts is keeping the gearbox running smoothly. 40+rps certainly won't impress anyone if you spend half the day in the safe zone, and get through 5 pistons. Anyone who knows much about RoF will respect any gun running at over 30rps reliably... they will know how much time and effort goes into such a gun. Rather than the 30 seconds it took to attach a 13.4v battery to a stock AEG!
Corvid 4 years ago
I get 31 BPS and 330 +/- 20 with my G&G Gr16 with full systema internals including hopup, barrel, gearbox, and motor. PWNED! hehe
50poundballs 4 years ago
You need to get yourself a video up on youtube then my friend! I currently get 32, with a 9.6v battery, 328fps or close enough (general UK limit). 31rps? How long are your internals lasting? In terms of actual ease, getting a gun to fire at just about and RoF is dead easy... getting a 40,000 round piston lifespan is the harder part.
Corvid 4 years ago
Our team has an airsoft GAU-8 powered off the battery of the golf cart (And, consequentially, mounted on the golf cart).
fishyfish777 4 years ago
wow that is amazing
drunkensniperrr 4 years ago
OMG! That sounds like a lawn mower! ahhahah
Coop772 4 years ago
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYUUUUUUUUUUUUM
jigglezpoo 4 years ago
Oh did u change ur wires to silioned ones?
Mountain117 4 years ago
All wires have some sort of cover around them, obviously. The thickness of the actual metal of the wire is the main issue, not what covers it (well, it does matter if you lack space such as in an M4, but does not affect performance).
Corvid 4 years ago
big up for you for using AUDACITY!
Icachowda 4 years ago
Ye mate! Awesome software!
Corvid 4 years ago
I have an upgraded version of the FA-MAS. But does the MOSFET damage the triggerblades also? I 've seen somebody who took the triggerblades off and added a microswitch.
Mountain117 4 years ago
No, MOSFETs are sometimes installed to STOP damage to trigger blades. Higher current and voltage batteries will make the blades spark and corrode: MOSFETs totally eliminate this. And yes, the current flowing when using a MOSFET is so low that you can (if you don't mind a full auto only gun) use a tiny micro switch. Doing that without a MOSFET usually requires a very tough micro switch... ones that can take many Amperes of current tend to be physically quite large.
Corvid 4 years ago
Thanks! I think that ill get a MOSFET for my self too. Thanks for the help man!
Mountain117 4 years ago
Isnt that rof too crazy for ur Mechabox? O.O Ur gears, antireversal latch, piston, and spring will be in very bad condition if u continue like that :D:D, or r my wrong?
Mountain117 4 years ago
Yes, you are very wrong indeed. Gears hold up just fine, as does the anti reversal latch. The piston is the weak link, but a well modified one can last a good 40000 rounds. The spring doesn't even come into it.
You are correct in the sense that running a stock AEG at 30rps would ruin the piston very quickly. Contrary to popular belief, gearboxes do not "explode" and motors do not "burn" as the majority of people out there seem to think! The piston gets practically all of the wear and tear.
Corvid 4 years ago
Ok thanks, I was wondering to get a mosfet for my famas, but not that crazy one. Thanks a lot, u helped me :)
Mountain117 4 years ago
Unless you want a 30% RoF increase (not recommended in an unmodified FAMAS...) or are running a high current higher voltage battery which is arcing the trigger blades, a MOSFET won't do much. They are only really used as the finishing touches to upgraded guns (but could be used to slightly increase RoF with normal batteries).
Corvid 4 years ago
How exciting! I dust buster that looks like a gun! :P
MichaelBarnes 4 years ago
get an open sight for cqb
smp26 4 years ago
Not much use when you can't see down it because the environment you play in is dark... At the site I play at there is ZERO light 24/7, everything is lit by lamps, and as such, it is in a constant twilight-like state. Hologram-style open dot sights work best if that's what you mean. But not iron sights.
Corvid 4 years ago
What parts have you changed to cope with that ROF? you must go through shit loads of pistons lol
smp26 4 years ago
At least you are on the right tracks! Most people seem to think gears and motors will "burn" up. The piston IS indeed the main concern. Ironically, you don't need to CHANGE many parts to cope with that RoF. You certainly don't need expensive gear sets and pistons: stock CA and TM pistons work the best, being tough, and dead cheap. Then you perform various modifications on them to keep them running smoothly. At worst a piston should be running for a good 20,000 rounds.
Corvid 4 years ago
I have the same gun, Have had it for 1 year running a pdi 170% spring and have had noo problems what so ever. But yeah my piston is the only thing showing wear internally. And the paint on my receiver :(
smp26 4 years ago
wats the rps on that?>!>!
Bowser28 4 years ago
Did you not watch until the end? 29.6rps.
Corvid 4 years ago
PART IN HALF!
BerserkJheova 4 years ago
BFD kid, get your Father to buy a .22, or something.
keltec2000 4 years ago
I've got a few air rifles thanks, and I really cannot be bothered to jump through all the fucking hoops to get a firearms licence. All to buy something that is far more pointless for me to own than you make out an airsoft gun to be... I use my airsoft gun regularly, I keep it maintained, I upgrade it, ect, ect. .22 rifle? Brilliant: I can now shoot tin cans at five times the range I normally do. Whoop-dee-fucking-do.
Corvid 4 years ago
what did you put under the scope to elevate it so the front sight doesnt get in tha way
eboygangsta 4 years ago
Just some ramdom mount I bought. Its way too high really.
Corvid 4 years ago
It's probably a Leapers brand dot scope. I have a scope and the front sight is directly in front of it, but you can't see it because when it's magnified, you see through it.
SteveKY 4 years ago
Walther dot sight actually!
Corvid 4 years ago
my freind made a nunchuck out of two 9.6 volt batterys and me opened the mechbox and metal dust fell out from the gears
animalmoth3r 4 years ago
Bad shimming probably. Or just lack of lubrication.
Corvid 4 years ago
can you give me instructions im thinking of making my old mp5 shoot over 1200 rpm dont want to kill my marui s-system
animalmoth3r 4 years ago
As long as you are VERY serious about running a high RoF gun, I will help you. I get a lot of people asking me that question, and I simply haven't got the time unless people are genuinely interested! I'll send you a PM later on today.
Corvid 4 years ago
Yo Corvid I have a few questions for you regarding a specific setup, and whether it would work or not. If you can PM me I can reply with the details and you can give me your opinion okay? (It's a Classic Army CA53 at 350fps 20-22rof)