Euro '88, Group B: Ireland 0 - 1 Netherlands (Parkstadion, Gelsenkirchen; 18th of June, 1988)

[ForAfewMoviesMore]

We won this match, we won this cup. Every champion has luck sometimes, get over it!

[CuChoileain]

@ForAfewMoviesMore Indeed, congratulations. No harm in discussion with regard to specific incidents in the game though. It's what football fans do.

[jefdarcy]

what i'm saying is that the call wasn't correct under the old rules, but that those rules sucked and the current offside rule makes much more sense. if you still don't get it, that's not my fault. i also think referees were in some cases instinctively applying the current rule before it was officially implemented. watch the careca goal against france from WC 1986, it's the same thing. i can understand your pain and anger, no need to be aggressive though. and yes, nice goal by ronnie.

[jkenefick]

I think the question is "can you write". You're basically saying that the call the ref made in 1988 was wrong, but if we wait until 2011 to analyse it, it becomes a good call?? Please go away and stop lowering my IQ!

[jefdarcy]

@Dustbin1149Jr: cry me a river... i think you perfectly understood what i wanted to say, but i guess you're irish, so i can understand you're hurting. try to see it this way: it was worth it just for having the germans kicked out by holland and for marco's goal in the final. the irish wouldn't have achieved none of that.

[jkenefick]

@jefdarcy Oh really? Did you not see our goal against USSR in the same tournament?? God almighty Dougal, do you know anything about anything???

[orourkeda]

That Paul McGrath header was our ticket into the semi finals

[jefdarcy]

jkenefick: can you read? i clearly said it wasn't correct under the old rules. i meant good in the sense of visionary. the new rule makes much more sense.

[mistersatinlover]

go Estonia go!

[orourkeda]

@mistersatinlover Estonia are gone alright

[ephabouyed]

If only that dutch team had got along with each other they would have been truly awesome. They were the best team in the world and Ireland went down fighting, shame but no disgrace.

[jefdarcy]

@Dustbin1149Jr: yeah, like you would have done that. come on...

besides, even if van basten was offside, i think this was a good call (although not under the old rules), b/c van basten wasn't even remotely involved and kieft was clearly onside.

[jkenefick]

@jefdarcy youre surely not judging it to be a good call using rules that hadnt been invented yet??????????

[Dustbin1149Jr]

@jefdarcy

So you even acknowledge that the ref made the wrong call, but that somehow it was 'a good call'? Ah ok then. I guess I've been interpreting the the laws of the game wrong all this time.

A "good call" is the referee making the correct decision at that precise time. Van Basten was offside so it was a "bad call" and nothing else.

[Dustbin1149Jr]

1:24 Packie : "Off Fucking Side"

Agreed. The ref rarely does Ireland any favours on teh big occasion.

[CuChoileain]

@Dustbin1149Jr I think you're right. Even Van Basten is a few metres offside under the old rules, whatever about Kieft.

[Dustbin1149Jr]

@CuChoileain

It's ironic to see Van Basten jumping for joy after the goal. He could easily be saying "look at me ref, I'm offside!"