I think the Ad is incorrect.From what I have read it would be more like 3 states. One also has to remember that if a state has a health exception this includes mental health which means abortion remains defacto legal. Also, most states seeking to ban abortion only criminalize it for doctors not women having abortions. I'm prolife and seek to reduce abortion but don't favor criminalizing it. The unborn child has a right to life but that can't compel a woman to provide her body as lifesupport
Yeah, it's about the right to kill! You have the right to kill cows and chickens for your own pleasure. And I have the right to kill embryos that reside in my body, for my convenience. Deal with it.
I do not kill cows or chickens for my own pleasure??Would you rather eat your best friend or a cow if you were starving?Maybe you're a brave soul and would choose death...good for you,but I'm eating the cow!I am human,I respect human life more than animals,but I love animals and I sure as heck don't eat them for fun!An embryo is the start of that baby one day being born.If you end the process of creating life before it is done of course it won't be "ready" to live on its own.
@countrymusicfan427 Of course you cause the deaths of animals for your own pleasure if you're a meat-eater. You don't have to eat meat. You choose to. You could sustain yourself solely on plant foods if you wished. So why don't you?
Did you see where the abortionist in Detroit was fined $10,000 in the death of one of his clients? It happened to be the same clinic that we pulled dead babies from his dumpster along with patient records. He recieved a slap on the wrist for that.
I am neither pro-choice or pro-life. I am anti-choice. I will readily say the one thing most people don't want to admit they believe. You do NOT have any right to have an abortion. That's not some sort of basic human liberty you're entitled to. So screw the pro-choice pro-life shit. I don't care about the fetus. screw the baby. It's a simple matter of women don't deserve that right. no one does.
the ONLY time i agree with abortion is when it is dangerous/lfe threatening to mother or baby, one of the times when doctors would actually encourage it 4 those reasons otherwise there is adoption if u cant afford 2 keep a baby, and of course abstinence if ur not ready 2 have 1 yet, dont make a baby pay 4 ur mistakes
Hi,yes I`ve now read part 2 and you seem to be in agreement with me,though previously you appeared to claim that there could be no exceptions and that I was somehow in support of "pro choice"..?!
The back-alley/coat-hanger argument is begging the question: it is assuming that abortion is a neutral act and that the fetus isn't human. It is irrelevant if abortion is the evil that it is as I propose to argue. Evil acts don't stop being evil just because the state says so (witness slavery and the Dred Scott decision), or because the evil act is done in a well-lit office with soothing music pumped in.
you talk about slavery. but forced pregnancy IS a form of slavery which is what would happen to many women if abortions is banned. women are not walking wombs. removing a fetus to control ones own body is not murder. it is simply self preserving and an attempt to regain what is rightfully theirs to begin with.
A fetus is Alive as much as anyone else. It has Human DNA and has a heartbeat. It is a human being. When one ends the life of a Human being INTENTIONALLY it IS MURDER.
no it isnt. it has no thoughts, no developed organs. it lives parasitically and is incubated in the body of a woman. it has no social ties and no ability to interact with another living organism. whereas a living breathing thinking feeling woman with a life, family friends and aspirations, who knows what it means to appreciate her life and what life truly is, is worth more than what is or is not growing inside of her.
21 days after Conception (that is where the sperm and egg fuse together) there is a heartbeat. Brain waves can be detected as early as 6 weeks with our current technology. What you say is very interesting because a 2 month old baby *out of the womb* also has no social ties and really no *real* ability to interact should a woman have a choice of murdering a 2 month old because it is also like a parasite and lives off the mother and father. It also cannot take care of itself.
it is a PRIMITIVE heartbeat. and true brain waves do not start until at least mid pregnancy. and yes a 2 month old baby has interaction with others and its own autonomous body. and no it is not physiologically attached and using the intimate workings of a womans body. one of the reasons life is valued nowadays is because of abortion since those who are born can now be adequately cared for instead of a fertilized ovum.
How do you know it has no thought? By EIGHT weeks after conception ALL ORGANS are present in the human body. It also feels pain. So people that have no friends should can be killed? I know a baby that was born prematurely she had to live on resperators for months she was 1.5 pounds when born. Now since this baby had to be on machines would it have been ok to let it sit on a table and die?
A fetus is not as alive as anyone else. It never develops as the level of consciousness of the COW you eat without batting an eyelash. Let's face it -- you don't care about the babies. You care about CONTROLLING WOMEN.
Sorry but you need to do some homework before you speak. One does not eat a cow they eat hamburger or steak. When it is in the steak form it is already dead. Abortion kills the living human life. Prior to aboriton the fetus (fetus means LITTLE ONE in Latin) has a heartbeat and lives off of food and nourishment like you. You called them babies! Good for you, you do recognize that they are alive and they are BABIES!
Unlike you, I am capable of distinguishing between human embryos and human beings. I don't really give a rat's ass about animal embryos OR human embryos. But I feel compassion for both animals and humans who have been born and are conscious.
There is a difference between stages in LIFE. Zygote, ebrybo, fetus, newborn, toddler, child, tween, teen, young adult, adult, senior citizen. What do all of these have in common? They are ALL HUMAN BEINGS. Every Senior Citizen on earth today had to go through each and every change that is listed. Life has a begining and an end. Science Tells us this oh and if you are Religious God, the Creator of Science, told us this long ago.
Well, quite frankly, what you believe doesn't actually matter. Women have the right to abortion, and there's nothing you can do about it but shriek in rage.
So you dont believe Science? Do you not believe math? Science does not matter? So if you do not care about science or what it says about human life, what exactly do you care about? Just the right to kill? If it is not an arguement about when life begins then it is an arguement about rights to kill. Please help me understand your view.
If your argument is not about when life begins then your arugement must be about THE RIGHT TO KILL. Science clearly tells us when life begins. I like the way you call me names. It makes me know that you see the truth and have to resort to calling names.
@bobbybrady8 im not trying to kill people with no friends. what i am saying is that adoption isnt a panancea. if it was abortion wouldnt exist. each pregnancy outcome has different consequences and only the woman in this particular situation has a right to decide.
This it true so one stopped drinking alcohol when the 18th amemdment to ban it. laws like these make people drink more. Women have died from illegal abortions. McCain mind set is in the 1920s where women were forced to stay in the kitchen. He is very sexist.
Before Roe v. Wade, the abortionist went to jail, not the woman. Put down the bong and copy of The Handmaid's Tale and stop making excuses for killing the innocent.
There are some crazy comments here. To you: put down the bible and start looking at the real world and the way society is nowadays. You can spout off whatever bullshit you like, people will always have sex and they will always want the option of abortion if they or their partner become pregnant at an inopportune time.
The days where everyone waited until marriage so they could fuck without making Jesus cry are done and aren't coming back. Get over it and let people make their own choices.
let´s be honest: mccain chose sarah, ´cause he wanted to rally the conservative base behind him. and the conservative base has never been pro-life as everybody knows. so if mccain is elected, he´ll have to do something to satisfy these conservatives who are supporting him. the best way for him to do that will be overturning Roe vs. Wade and listening to one of the most pro-life woman on a presidential ticket: sarah palin. TRUST MY WORDS!!!
They are not being forced into this. They teach them these things in your puplic schools. They teach them to rebel against God and their parents. They are being taught this all through the tv and radio. Their friends. Dad and Mom teach them this stuff through their own life style. The preachers quit preaching against it. John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning.
Once upon a time, women engaged in dangerous illegal abortions, because the stigma of unmarried pregnancy was so great, it was life-threatening in itself. This is no longer the case, so I really wonder if overturning Roe v. Wade would kill women.
Abortion has been an extremely divisive issue for America; I believe we'd be better off with our people and politicians attending to other issues. Too bad the Supreme Court meddled in the first place.
Why are the McCains pretending to be so worried about campaign issues like abortion and a woman's choice with her own body but continually lobby against Mothers Against Drunk Driving who also protects the American public young and old from drunk driver deaths and crashes. Well abortions don't effect liquor sales in Arizona, so they can pretend to be concerned, Interesting-NOT.
Since Roe v Wade and the support of Planned Parenthood, men force young girls into abortion without consequence more now than before it was illegal. So you are only helping forced abortions.
liarsl Re "men force young girls into abortion without consequence more now than before it was illegal" Do you have any firm evidence for this statement?
My point was that EVEN Planned Parenthood admits this, EVEN THOUGH they love abortion. You can look up any governments statistics and womens groups statistics. You can find any of this info. The thing is, do you want to know the truth? I somehow don't think you do.
liar Re "men force young girls into abortion without consequence more now than before it was illegal." I do want truth!.. My point was that I wouldn`t be convinced by ANYTHING that was claimed by Planned Parenthood.. Also how can anyone possibly know the stats for when it was illegal and covert? Why do you think there would be an increased inclination for men to force young girls to abort since RvW.. especially with increased availability and reliability of birth control and advances in sex ed?
1) Many Men have relations with young girls and don't want to be found out. Sometimes it's incest, some time guys don't want to have to deal with a baby, and so they push the young girls into abortion. Even if the girl says they don't have to be a part of the baby's life, they are affraid of child support. It's not all forced, many pressured. Sometimes it's the parents that force their daughter, thinking it's best for them.
2) By the way, the increase itself comes from the fact that when it was illegal, there were not as many abortions. Yes there were abortions but not to the extent it is now. And Advances in sex ed if you follow has not necessarily been a great thing. Not to mention, with artificial birth control, come the occasional abortion. And you've got my attention. Why is your name prolifeinternational and yet you seem to think that abortion "rights" are a good thing. Am I wrong in my assumption?
liar Re " yet you seem to think that abortion "rights" are a good thing. Am I wrong in my assumption? " But please elaborate as to how and where you derive this curious assumption?
Because you seem to be defending Palnned Parenthood. Am I wrong. WIll you say here and now "All abortion is wrong!" It is never okay to kill an innocent child in the womb!" Will you say that?
I don't know where this conversation went wrong, but if you're prolife I have no problem with you. So Are you prolife or not. I am prolife and do not believe in abortion for any reason. How about you?
Re "I don't know where this conversation went wrong" It went wrong when you misunderstood something I said. As my username indicates I AM prolife. But unlike you,common sense dictates that I am unable to claim that I am against abortion for "any reason". If e.g. a woman has an ectopic pregnancy which (until medical science can re-locate the baby to the uterus) will pose a REAL threat to the lives of BOTH mother and child,then I think the tragic loss of that unborn life is,very sadly,unavoidable.
1) I'm not going to start all this again. It doesn't matter at this point. I believe abortion is wrong in all cases. I'm not the "prolifer" who says it's wrong to kill a baby unless ????. No it's wrong. It does not matter if it's because of rape or incest, it is still wrong. The child is innocent. Now if in a situation such as the baby is in the tube, and to save the mother's life, you have to remove the tube, and by doing so the baby dies, that's different.
2) The intent was not to kill the child. The intent was to save the mother's life and by doing so the child unintentionally dies. And not that this is the point, but that baby would not live anyway. Now if the mother has some other issue going on and the only way to save her life is to intentionally kill the child, it is still wrong. That child is no less innocent. That being said, I think that it lessens ones culpability as one also has self preservation within oneself.
Re "Now if in a situation such as the baby is in the tube, and to save the mother's life, you have to remove the tube, and by doing so the baby dies, that's differen" But you previously claimed; "I am prolife and do not believe in abortion for any reason. How about you?".. So this now appears to be something of a U-turn...and ironically it`s YOU that`s called "liarslayer"!
All I would add is that it would be helpful if situations,such as ectopic,when the tragic loss of the child is unavoidable,were given a different term,as "abortion" infers a deliberate killing for the sole purpose of ending a life. All I can readily come up with as a suggestion is; "unavoidable loss of pregnancy".. But I think an appropriate shorter and more precise term would definitely be much more preferable..
I think the Ad is incorrect.From what I have read it would be more like 3 states. One also has to remember that if a state has a health exception this includes mental health which means abortion remains defacto legal. Also, most states seeking to ban abortion only criminalize it for doctors not women having abortions. I'm prolife and seek to reduce abortion but don't favor criminalizing it. The unborn child has a right to life but that can't compel a woman to provide her body as lifesupport
Spillers72 1 year ago
Yeah, it's about the right to kill! You have the right to kill cows and chickens for your own pleasure. And I have the right to kill embryos that reside in my body, for my convenience. Deal with it.
SuperHappyPuppy 1 year ago
@SuperHappyPuppy
I do not kill cows or chickens for my own pleasure??Would you rather eat your best friend or a cow if you were starving?Maybe you're a brave soul and would choose death...good for you,but I'm eating the cow!I am human,I respect human life more than animals,but I love animals and I sure as heck don't eat them for fun!An embryo is the start of that baby one day being born.If you end the process of creating life before it is done of course it won't be "ready" to live on its own.
countrymusicfan427 6 months ago
@countrymusicfan427 Of course you cause the deaths of animals for your own pleasure if you're a meat-eater. You don't have to eat meat. You choose to. You could sustain yourself solely on plant foods if you wished. So why don't you?
SuperHappyPuppy 6 months ago
Did you see where the abortionist in Detroit was fined $10,000 in the death of one of his clients? It happened to be the same clinic that we pulled dead babies from his dumpster along with patient records. He recieved a slap on the wrist for that.
prolifesocietyvideo 2 years ago
You pull dead babies from dumpsters? What do you do after? Eat them? You sick fuck! Have fun dumpster diving for little fetuses.
TheBestGuitarSoloEVR 2 years ago
I am neither pro-choice or pro-life. I am anti-choice. I will readily say the one thing most people don't want to admit they believe. You do NOT have any right to have an abortion. That's not some sort of basic human liberty you're entitled to. So screw the pro-choice pro-life shit. I don't care about the fetus. screw the baby. It's a simple matter of women don't deserve that right. no one does.
forestwanderer 2 years ago
the ONLY time i agree with abortion is when it is dangerous/lfe threatening to mother or baby, one of the times when doctors would actually encourage it 4 those reasons otherwise there is adoption if u cant afford 2 keep a baby, and of course abstinence if ur not ready 2 have 1 yet, dont make a baby pay 4 ur mistakes
sakuragurl101 3 years ago
Hi,yes I`ve now read part 2 and you seem to be in agreement with me,though previously you appeared to claim that there could be no exceptions and that I was somehow in support of "pro choice"..?!
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
The back-alley/coat-hanger argument is begging the question: it is assuming that abortion is a neutral act and that the fetus isn't human. It is irrelevant if abortion is the evil that it is as I propose to argue. Evil acts don't stop being evil just because the state says so (witness slavery and the Dred Scott decision), or because the evil act is done in a well-lit office with soothing music pumped in.
swwaddell 3 years ago
you talk about slavery. but forced pregnancy IS a form of slavery which is what would happen to many women if abortions is banned. women are not walking wombs. removing a fetus to control ones own body is not murder. it is simply self preserving and an attempt to regain what is rightfully theirs to begin with.
leiapeison 3 years ago
A fetus is Alive as much as anyone else. It has Human DNA and has a heartbeat. It is a human being. When one ends the life of a Human being INTENTIONALLY it IS MURDER.
bobbybrady8 2 years ago
no it isnt. it has no thoughts, no developed organs. it lives parasitically and is incubated in the body of a woman. it has no social ties and no ability to interact with another living organism. whereas a living breathing thinking feeling woman with a life, family friends and aspirations, who knows what it means to appreciate her life and what life truly is, is worth more than what is or is not growing inside of her.
leiapeison 2 years ago
21 days after Conception (that is where the sperm and egg fuse together) there is a heartbeat. Brain waves can be detected as early as 6 weeks with our current technology. What you say is very interesting because a 2 month old baby *out of the womb* also has no social ties and really no *real* ability to interact should a woman have a choice of murdering a 2 month old because it is also like a parasite and lives off the mother and father. It also cannot take care of itself.
bobbybrady8 2 years ago
it is a PRIMITIVE heartbeat. and true brain waves do not start until at least mid pregnancy. and yes a 2 month old baby has interaction with others and its own autonomous body. and no it is not physiologically attached and using the intimate workings of a womans body. one of the reasons life is valued nowadays is because of abortion since those who are born can now be adequately cared for instead of a fertilized ovum.
leiapeison 2 years ago
How do you know it has no thought? By EIGHT weeks after conception ALL ORGANS are present in the human body. It also feels pain. So people that have no friends should can be killed? I know a baby that was born prematurely she had to live on resperators for months she was 1.5 pounds when born. Now since this baby had to be on machines would it have been ok to let it sit on a table and die?
bobbybrady8 2 years ago
Do you remember being a fetus? No one does you dumbfuck. No one would care if they died as a fetus because your a fucking fetus!
TheBestGuitarSoloEVR 2 years ago
A fetus is not as alive as anyone else. It never develops as the level of consciousness of the COW you eat without batting an eyelash. Let's face it -- you don't care about the babies. You care about CONTROLLING WOMEN.
SuperHappyPuppy 1 year ago
Sorry but you need to do some homework before you speak. One does not eat a cow they eat hamburger or steak. When it is in the steak form it is already dead. Abortion kills the living human life. Prior to aboriton the fetus (fetus means LITTLE ONE in Latin) has a heartbeat and lives off of food and nourishment like you. You called them babies! Good for you, you do recognize that they are alive and they are BABIES!
bobbybrady8 1 year ago
You're grasping at straws there, aren't you? I feel sorry for any COW that gets eaten by you.
SuperHappyPuppy 1 year ago
@SuperHappyPuppy
how is that grasping at straws? Abortion killes
human beings. You cannot argue with that.
But I think that you feel that ANIMALS ARE MORE
IMPORTANT THAN HUMANS. Is that true?
bobbybrady8 1 year ago
Unlike you, I am capable of distinguishing between human embryos and human beings. I don't really give a rat's ass about animal embryos OR human embryos. But I feel compassion for both animals and humans who have been born and are conscious.
SuperHappyPuppy 1 year ago
@SuperHappyPuppy
There is a difference between stages in LIFE. Zygote, ebrybo, fetus, newborn, toddler, child, tween, teen, young adult, adult, senior citizen. What do all of these have in common? They are ALL HUMAN BEINGS. Every Senior Citizen on earth today had to go through each and every change that is listed. Life has a begining and an end. Science Tells us this oh and if you are Religious God, the Creator of Science, told us this long ago.
bobbybrady8 1 year ago
Well, quite frankly, what you believe doesn't actually matter. Women have the right to abortion, and there's nothing you can do about it but shriek in rage.
SuperHappyPuppy 1 year ago
@SuperHappyPuppy
So you dont believe Science? Do you not believe math? Science does not matter? So if you do not care about science or what it says about human life, what exactly do you care about? Just the right to kill? If it is not an arguement about when life begins then it is an arguement about rights to kill. Please help me understand your view.
bobbybrady8 1 year ago
What does MATH have to do with this? Shriek away, you impotent loser.
SuperHappyPuppy 1 year ago
@SuperHappyPuppy
If your argument is not about when life begins then your arugement must be about THE RIGHT TO KILL. Science clearly tells us when life begins. I like the way you call me names. It makes me know that you see the truth and have to resort to calling names.
bobbybrady8 1 year ago
@bobbybrady8 im not trying to kill people with no friends. what i am saying is that adoption isnt a panancea. if it was abortion wouldnt exist. each pregnancy outcome has different consequences and only the woman in this particular situation has a right to decide.
leiapeison 1 year ago
This it true so one stopped drinking alcohol when the 18th amemdment to ban it. laws like these make people drink more. Women have died from illegal abortions. McCain mind set is in the 1920s where women were forced to stay in the kitchen. He is very sexist.
grobaniteforever 3 years ago
Before Roe v. Wade, the abortionist went to jail, not the woman. Put down the bong and copy of The Handmaid's Tale and stop making excuses for killing the innocent.
swwaddell 3 years ago
There are some crazy comments here. To you: put down the bible and start looking at the real world and the way society is nowadays. You can spout off whatever bullshit you like, people will always have sex and they will always want the option of abortion if they or their partner become pregnant at an inopportune time.
The days where everyone waited until marriage so they could fuck without making Jesus cry are done and aren't coming back. Get over it and let people make their own choices.
IHateToComment 3 years ago
Photo Op Barbie says freedoms are for everyone, but get raped & keep the devil spawn is God's will
ShaxomophoneLuver 3 years ago
Caribou Barbie says abstinence only is the answer. It works so well for her.
DarthandDirtyCheney 3 years ago
It works well for many. It's not perfect. Nothing is.
liarslayer 3 years ago
let´s be honest: mccain chose sarah, ´cause he wanted to rally the conservative base behind him. and the conservative base has never been pro-life as everybody knows. so if mccain is elected, he´ll have to do something to satisfy these conservatives who are supporting him. the best way for him to do that will be overturning Roe vs. Wade and listening to one of the most pro-life woman on a presidential ticket: sarah palin. TRUST MY WORDS!!!
bobhardball 3 years ago
this is ad tough and pointed.
myha16 3 years ago
Having speed limits won't keep people from speeding, Having laws won't keep people from breaking them. so are you suggesting we have no laws at all?
heatherlove777 3 years ago
They are not being forced into this. They teach them these things in your puplic schools. They teach them to rebel against God and their parents. They are being taught this all through the tv and radio. Their friends. Dad and Mom teach them this stuff through their own life style. The preachers quit preaching against it. John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning.
preachthehelloutofya 3 years ago
Once upon a time, women engaged in dangerous illegal abortions, because the stigma of unmarried pregnancy was so great, it was life-threatening in itself. This is no longer the case, so I really wonder if overturning Roe v. Wade would kill women.
Abortion has been an extremely divisive issue for America; I believe we'd be better off with our people and politicians attending to other issues. Too bad the Supreme Court meddled in the first place.
givebirthathome 3 years ago
yes it would kill women because there were abortions that were done with wire clothes hangers and they dies because of it.
grobaniteforever 3 years ago
someone should be held accountable for murder devil-worship human sacrifice. wicked women about time they pay!
freespeech 3 years ago
The simple fact that since Roe V Wade, women's deaths during abortion have increased, make your video one big lie.
liarslayer 3 years ago
Why are the McCains pretending to be so worried about campaign issues like abortion and a woman's choice with her own body but continually lobby against Mothers Against Drunk Driving who also protects the American public young and old from drunk driver deaths and crashes. Well abortions don't effect liquor sales in Arizona, so they can pretend to be concerned, Interesting-NOT.
CindyForDrunks 3 years ago
The fact that it's not her body, but rather another complete individual inside her, makes your statement a lie.
liarslayer 3 years ago
Re "women are forced back into back alleys"..NOBODY is FORCING women to abort..If they were that would be a crime in itself!
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
Since Roe v Wade and the support of Planned Parenthood, men force young girls into abortion without consequence more now than before it was illegal. So you are only helping forced abortions.
liarslayer 3 years ago
liarsl Re "men force young girls into abortion without consequence more now than before it was illegal" Do you have any firm evidence for this statement?
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
evidence, sure do statistics by Planned Parenthood.
liarslayer 3 years ago
liarslayer. Re " sure do statistics by Planned Parenthood" Hardly a credible or NEUTRAL source then?! Btw wasn`t Margaret Sanger an overt RACIST?
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
My point was that EVEN Planned Parenthood admits this, EVEN THOUGH they love abortion. You can look up any governments statistics and womens groups statistics. You can find any of this info. The thing is, do you want to know the truth? I somehow don't think you do.
liarslayer 3 years ago
liar Re "men force young girls into abortion without consequence more now than before it was illegal." I do want truth!.. My point was that I wouldn`t be convinced by ANYTHING that was claimed by Planned Parenthood.. Also how can anyone possibly know the stats for when it was illegal and covert? Why do you think there would be an increased inclination for men to force young girls to abort since RvW.. especially with increased availability and reliability of birth control and advances in sex ed?
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
1) Many Men have relations with young girls and don't want to be found out. Sometimes it's incest, some time guys don't want to have to deal with a baby, and so they push the young girls into abortion. Even if the girl says they don't have to be a part of the baby's life, they are affraid of child support. It's not all forced, many pressured. Sometimes it's the parents that force their daughter, thinking it's best for them.
liarslayer 3 years ago
2) By the way, the increase itself comes from the fact that when it was illegal, there were not as many abortions. Yes there were abortions but not to the extent it is now. And Advances in sex ed if you follow has not necessarily been a great thing. Not to mention, with artificial birth control, come the occasional abortion. And you've got my attention. Why is your name prolifeinternational and yet you seem to think that abortion "rights" are a good thing. Am I wrong in my assumption?
liarslayer 3 years ago
liar Re " yet you seem to think that abortion "rights" are a good thing. Am I wrong in my assumption? " But please elaborate as to how and where you derive this curious assumption?
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
Because you seem to be defending Palnned Parenthood. Am I wrong. WIll you say here and now "All abortion is wrong!" It is never okay to kill an innocent child in the womb!" Will you say that?
liarslayer 3 years ago
liarslayer Re "Because you seem to be defending Planned Parenthood" How/where exactly are you suggesting that I have done this?
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
I don't know where this conversation went wrong, but if you're prolife I have no problem with you. So Are you prolife or not. I am prolife and do not believe in abortion for any reason. How about you?
liarslayer 3 years ago
Re "I don't know where this conversation went wrong" It went wrong when you misunderstood something I said. As my username indicates I AM prolife. But unlike you,common sense dictates that I am unable to claim that I am against abortion for "any reason". If e.g. a woman has an ectopic pregnancy which (until medical science can re-locate the baby to the uterus) will pose a REAL threat to the lives of BOTH mother and child,then I think the tragic loss of that unborn life is,very sadly,unavoidable.
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
1) I'm not going to start all this again. It doesn't matter at this point. I believe abortion is wrong in all cases. I'm not the "prolifer" who says it's wrong to kill a baby unless ????. No it's wrong. It does not matter if it's because of rape or incest, it is still wrong. The child is innocent. Now if in a situation such as the baby is in the tube, and to save the mother's life, you have to remove the tube, and by doing so the baby dies, that's different.
liarslayer 3 years ago
2) The intent was not to kill the child. The intent was to save the mother's life and by doing so the child unintentionally dies. And not that this is the point, but that baby would not live anyway. Now if the mother has some other issue going on and the only way to save her life is to intentionally kill the child, it is still wrong. That child is no less innocent. That being said, I think that it lessens ones culpability as one also has self preservation within oneself.
liarslayer 3 years ago
Re "Now if in a situation such as the baby is in the tube, and to save the mother's life, you have to remove the tube, and by doing so the baby dies, that's differen" But you previously claimed; "I am prolife and do not believe in abortion for any reason. How about you?".. So this now appears to be something of a U-turn...and ironically it`s YOU that`s called "liarslayer"!
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
read part 2 of my answer
liarslayer 3 years ago
All I would add is that it would be helpful if situations,such as ectopic,when the tragic loss of the child is unavoidable,were given a different term,as "abortion" infers a deliberate killing for the sole purpose of ending a life. All I can readily come up with as a suggestion is; "unavoidable loss of pregnancy".. But I think an appropriate shorter and more precise term would definitely be much more preferable..
prolifeinternational 3 years ago
Late term/ partial birth abortion would be jail time.. ( Unless a life and death risk to the Mother..)
pic103 3 years ago
I would like to see it like the same type of thing like a drug offense, or DUI- drunken driving charge..
You will get your name in the paper, community service, or some type of classes...
Obviously something went wrong to why you feel that it was a mistake, right? And you need help, or assistance...
( Except for rape etc..)
pic103 3 years ago
I hope the so-called Hillary supporters who prefer McCain to Obama (crazy, racist PUMA-types) will take this to heart.
bgbreakdown 3 years ago