I ride a commuter train each day. I would LOVE it if our trains did this! For starters, we wouldn't have to wait out in the cold, heat, wind, snow, rain, ice, fog, etc. Plus, we could (if we wished) start working or playing on our laptops (or sleep!) on the top train while we wait for the bottom train to get us. It would also be nice to sit down and wait for the train to come instead of standing in line waiting for a noisy train to arrive. I don't see how a commuter would resist this idea.
Come on people. It's not about saving time. Don't u study energy courses in ur BS? It's about saving a huge amount of fuel. Train is heavy like crazy. Each time u start accelerating, u need a huge amount of energy. In this way, u save all that. Remember regenerative braking in hybrid cars. This is far more superior.
I was thinking the same thing!! Im telling lots of people but they just don't get it. Im glad that there's someone out there who understands the concept.
@nelcimpilot the train on top is to carry the passengers to the next station ,but the train downside ,don't stop until arrive to the final destination . Do u get me ? it save a lot of time for the people who wanna direct travel...
its a train carrying hundreds of commuters....we can't know how much people will alight in which station. What if many people are going to alight in a particular station and the car on the top cannot hold all that people who are going to alight
@ghanashyamghimire Nail on head. I dunno how many trains I've been in where everyone's been packed in like sardines, then 98% of everyone gets out at the one station and there's, like, 3 people in the whole train for the rest of the journey. Maybe you push a button for your stop and if too many people push it to fit in the debarkation pod then the whole train stops? Anyway, don't wanna be a 'naysayer'. I bet in the 19th century people found just as many reasons why trains were a stupid idea...
Strange, i imagined almost an identical solution.. To those people asking how they move passengers between the two...How hard is it to build a staircase that drops down.... Personally i think the acceleration required for the shuttle to join would require the pax to be belted up, or at least have some heavy duty handles. An i doubt youd be able to use this on stations too close together because there wouldnt be enough time for the pax to get on/off the shuttle.
So.... how does one move between the 'exit shuttle' and the regular train? If you're going to do that you would have to get in and out of the main train or solution is only good if you want to get off at the next stop.
Please explain us the difference between the idea of a concept and the concept of an idea. Also, please clarify why would a big train between to major cities make all the stops in between... have you ever been on a train?
@jackificationable Well, bad ideas get vitriolic and cynical criticism for one simple reason, they are bad. And critizicing them is good, it's the kind of practice that would have prevented the building of hydrogen filled airships, transatlantic ships without lifeboats, pressurized airplanes with square windows..
it would be too heavy, too complex, very expensive to maintain, it would run empty most of the time and it would be much more dangerous than any other train, it would have to be run with a minimum number of wagons always, much more inflexible than normal trains
@gkalinin I guess just regular passengers, people who are getting off the train next stop should be gathered in the compartment that is going to stay in the next stop and the train itself will pick up a new compartment with new passengers on board. I think this idea is quite brilliant but probably won't work very well in China since the huge population.
This my concept. I conceived this idea more than 30 years ago. Unfortunately, I never pursued or documented its conception properly. I want to state for the record that it is possible that I shared this verbally with someone over these past 3 decades, and it has resulted in this animation. I have no proof yet, but intend to pursue proving that this is my intellectual property. Please do not associate my comments with my affiliates here within my YouTube channel. Sincerely, Glen S. Johnson
The car apparently goes from zero to matching the speed of the train in less than a train length. If we are speaking of a high speed train that is a huge accelleration force. If we aren't speaking of a high speed train are we really saving that much over just letting the train stop?
the 1900s steam engine locomotive ran a rake at 30m/h. then more innovative ideas brought about the advanced steam engine which pulled a rake at over 50m/h. is a mere 20m/h speed increase saving enough for a small gain in running time? if the train slows down at a station to even half its run speed, then there'd still be a significant gain in time lost when stopping. that to me is a huge leap in rider satisfaction. plus, it'd decrease running costs.
@Innovations1 It isn't from zero to 300KM/H. If you see, the acceleration can be gradual, that's also the beauty of it. The train is long enough to allow the "transportation cabin" to absorb the acceleration by allowing the cabin run on the ceiling for a while before being anchored. The arriving cabin is unlocked way before so only momentum is used to arrive to the station, and the deacceleration would also be gradual and unnoticeable.
The concept is genius and it would be totally applicable.
I think the selling factor for this isn't the fact that the train base doesn't stop, but that people are already boarded onto the upper passenger deck. That saves the time of people crowding on into the train itself. Keep in mind Beijing is one of the most populous cities on Earth. If you have a higher passenger car to moving base ratio, it cuts crowding and decreases in wait times. It's a pretty amazing concept.
@Innovations1 The train would obviously slow down when picking up a car. Let's pretend that the train goes 300km/h at full speed and slows down to 50km/h when picking up a car, is it really that difficult to imagine? Come on now.
i think the video is too simplified, the carriage car probably starts moving well before the train approaches, giving it enough time to get up to speed.
@enkidupont pennies? trains have a lot of momentum (m)(v). 1/2 (m)(v)^2 that shit and youll see it takes a lot of energy to stop something that massive.
@schismtomynism well, this train is much more massive than a normal passenger train, this would have to be built like a freight container that can have something as heavy as a plane landing on top of it 30 times per trip yet keeping it stable enough not to derail it... besides, unless exactly 1/30th got on the train at every station, the train would run on average at half capacity. it's a problem every train has and the way it's solved is having express trains that only make the final stop
@enkidupont pennies? trains have a lot of momentum (m)(v). 1/2 (m)(v)^2 that shit and youll see it takes a lot of energy to stop something that massive. physics 1, anybody?
this is a really creative idea but i guess there is one thing i noticed. very limited amount of people u can fit on the pod but i guess it was supposed to be obvious this was for simplicity purposes of the video and that there would be like 5 of these pods that latch on and 5 pods that unlatch
epic fail: as the 200-mph train approaches the station, the get-off carriage fails to let go as the boarding carriage fails to grab on-- the equivalent of a head-on collision with both carriages traveling 100 mph, each full of scores of people. Ick.
this danger is solved by having the get-off and get-on carriages on separate tracks, so even if your scenario panned out, they would just pass by each other.
In addition to all the problems mentioned already, there is the issue of passenger comfort. Getting onto this car, then onto the real train, even by elevator, is a lot of extra hassle for the passengers. Then, if you have a seat at the front of the train, you need to walk through the entire train to get to your seat. For this reason alone, I think most passengers would accept the longer train journey.
if you need to go to the last station, and you start at the 2nd station, you need to stop at all stations, because the train doesnt stop, and you need to wait for the next train.
mostly ther arent much trains on 1 rail, so this will take very long.
How close is the research into a system like this to actually achieving real-world results? High-speed rail technology is good at maintaining constant speeds, but the trains take too long to accelerate and decelerate. So, this idea is certainly worth exploring.
Most Chinese CRH trains now stop only two minutes, not five minutes, at all line stations. In the larger stations, those boarding are not allowed onto the platform until those getting off have left the platform. It is rather a challenge to find your carriage before the train pulls out. This design could help some of that, but the vertical ladder is not for the mobility-challenged. (The current two-minute stops aren't helpful for the same set of passengers either.)
we had this sort of thing in England in 1930's it was called a " slip Carriage" Great Western Railway had them. Not sure if there is a Video on here for them
The idea i have given solve all the problems. You will not have issues with number of passengers getting in/out at particular station and also passengers need not run from one end of train to another end to get into boarding carriage. This idea works in china well because even if few people die or transported like animals who dares to ask the question:):)?.ha..ha.
Bullet trains usually run between big cities, what does a chinese achieve saving 5-10 minutes?
Now I will give you a better idea (never call these short of things as innovation). Just run a equal capacity train parallel to the non-stop one which can lock into it and let the passengers get up and get down from it. You can have two trains of equal or large capcity parellel lock-in trains. Each one for getting out/in. Getting out can start far ahead & lock-into & let people get-into it while getting-in can start from station & lock-in & let people get-in with good time
but what would be the point of this idea, the 2nd train of equal length and size is going to be using heaps of energy to slow up and slow down. One major point of the whole idea is to use less energy.
I can't win a argument with you when u already made up your mind. All the maths and statistics will not work in planning particular station passenger traffic every-time of the day. If train stops incase of more people, then it defeats the idea and it is not innovation. Just selling chinese lunch for $5 is not innovation and it means poor quality.
This is not innovation. it is utter stupidity. Nobody knows pattern of number of passengers getting down/up at particular station. May be few or half the train or full train. It all depends on many external patterns. What if few people doesn't fit that shit, do they have to wait till train goes around or just fly from window?
This concept is simply non-sense and not in tune with humans humane travel habits. What is the issue if train stops for 5 minutes when you are travelling between cities?
Amazing concept, love it!. The cab should be lowered into the main train while in transit to avoid drag and make it easier for passengers to access it.
I assume the idea behind the concept is to do away with local trains. The example states there are 30 stations between Beijing and Guangzahou. A total distance of 2480 Km or an average of 83 Km between stations.
If a rider's trip is to the next station they would, at advertised speeds, have a total of 2.89 minutes in which to connect the "on module", accelerate it to train speed and be safely secured in the "off module" before decellerating for arrival at the next station. I'll Watch :)
This is sad! Americans are finally investing in high speed (which isn't even that fast compared to other country's high speed) and China already has this kind of technology!
@davidkstyler Did you hear that from the NPR report today? That's how I heard about this "coupling" train and the "Japan had high speed rail in the mid 60's" deal. That's makes us Americans complete retards for being so stubborn. Oh, and President Obama has been pushing for high speed rail for years, but of course, Republicans will do whatever to block it since it's cutting into their oil stocks. Sad.
@soul4tran Americans aren't stubborn, they just don't need trains b/c they have cars and airplanes. America's highways were constructed when the chinese were still using donkey carts. With the highway system americans can go anywhere there's a road anytime they want. If you want mass transport, the airline system can move more people to more places faster than any train. Passenger trains have been obsolete in America for at least half a century. Obama only wants a train b/c other ppl have them.
@natdavi Wrong. The reason is oil. American oil companies have and are making billions...just look at what you've paid for gas since you had your car alone. You make it as if people in countries with High Speed rail don't use cars or something. They just have another reliable method of transportation.
I love my car and love driving it. There's no high speed rail in the US because that'll just lower oil demand and lower prices. You think oil companies are groaning when it's $4 a gallon? No.
@soul4tran What I've paid for gas is a fraction the price of the car itself. I have seen oil companies driven out of the United States by it's own government. I have seen them threatened with nationalization. Also I've seen oil prices increase less than inflation for decades. I know America's passenger train plans involve diesel-powered engines. If Americans want trains as another option, let the passengers buy tickets at a sustainable price. No need to give your government another trophy.
this concept is not about saving time for the passengers but to allow the trains and all other trains behind to maintain the bullet speed....must be done.
about the problem with many people at the same time getting out of that train...
first there might just be longer carriers and less space in the actual train, second, carriers would not only be above the train but also beneath. all of this would stop the train more, yes, but if they make the train really heavy and the carriers light, shit might work.
Dont worry about masses even though this is china.
The method will be "queuing to enter the station" instead of "queuing to enter the train"
People will stand outside the station and a certain of masses will get on it.
The train is very streaming so they wont have to w8 long.
Anyways, if something happens, it is not unlikely a "magnet shut off" button is placed somewhere, an emergency stop. Not to the high speed train, but to stop the bullet train.
possible concept, a ladder is not even required, there could be stairs inside the big trains with hatches above them and the carriers would also have such a hatch. if the carriers stop over the trains hatch both will open. there would be rather big gap in the stairs but that can be filled with moving stair parts or something.
what if there's more people that want to get off but the transfer train is full? also, the if the mechanism breaks, which would sustain heavy wear and tear at this speed for attachment/reattachment, people would get hurt easily give the speed the train is travelling.
[cont] To achieve the same passenger throughput as a conventional train with several cars, about one transport train per car has to be used (unless several cars are picked up at once, which is exactly the current state). So to accelerate one car, we drive a full train.
The bigger train cannot be replace with just an electric engine because,
1. The big train is actually going to carry the passengers. The top car is just to enter and exit the train.
2. The length of the train is the only wat to probide a slow start to the above car. connecting the car to an engine alone will be equivalent to let the engine hit the car.
Engine as in electric motor installed in the car, making it autonomous, not a full train engine. And able to couple with other autonomous cars while running.
So what about the aerodynamics, top speed achievable, and the energy usage?
Crackpot scheme. Instead of using electric engines to drive the passenger cars, a whole train is used. On pick-up of the cars, it has to transfer kinetic energy to the car, which has to be compensated for by accelerating the train. Energy usage: The same as if the car had to provide this via an engine.
While moving, the piggy-back train has a larger profile and an inferior drag coefficient, compared to a regular train - meaning additional energy consumption.
Doesn't the little train on top of the other add a large amount of drag force? And how do people from the little train go onto the big train? an interior ladder of some kind i guess??
how does that make any sense? cause now you have EXTRA waiting time for the little train thats just sitting there waiting for the big train. why don't you just have 2 trains come to the same station? or have trains come twice as often. In tokyo some trains come every 2 minutes! not to mention that the inertia is gonna fuck everything up. this is stupid.
@Ricky21tatu lo que pasa es que cuando dejan que los diseñadores que hagan cosas con partes moviles, encuentran nuevas maneras de arriezgar la vida humana
Interesting concept and to suddenly go from a standing stop to the speed of the train without experiencing the usual feeling of exheleration would be weird, the biggest problem would be ensuring that the passengers were on the carrige by the time the train passed the station
@sampayu Then it sucks to be them. Presumably if you're building a train that doesn't even stop at platforms, every one of those stops is busy. It'd be strange if 29 stops were deserts and the 30th was where everyone wants to go.
@sampayu the train can still stop in main big central station. This is only for little stations.
I more concerned by the weight of the module, I feel that a secondary train, on parallel rails, would be more feasible. Moreover, putting a continuous rails over all train cars is not possible.
Another issue is that 2 station might be needed, one to go in, and another like a mile further to get out.
I agree with you that our transportation system sucks. But high population density and excessive number of cars are part of the everyday life in many big cities worldwide.
And I didn't get how your comment contributed to the subject...
Anyway, I'm a lucky man: from where I live, a walk to my job doesn't take more than 45min, and it doesn't take more than 10min to get to a college, bank, shopping mall, market, cinema, subway, bus station, bakery, restaurant, gym, postal service...
Although I still find it hard to make this project become reality, maybe the "chineasy" guys can figure something out from their "magic hats".
But I still can't stop to imagine how it would be if, on every station, 100% of the passengers wanted to leave the train and the passengers waiting at the platform embarked until the train was 100% full... Hehehe...
@sampayu sampaio, isso n seria para metrô, seria para tipo trem bala, ele diminui a velocidade e não para para oegar gente, até pq o tempo que leva de uma estação tem que ser meio grande, senão n da tempo de tirar e acomodar novas pessoas de forma eficiente. Isso é para coisas mais luxuosas e longas. Além do mais, nesse ponto deve ser mais por "desenvolvimento" de tecnologia.
@flying1533 Considering it is a Chinese concept and the video happened to get uploaded to Youtube, does it REALLY come as a surprise that the commentary is in Mandarin?
@MusicByproduct the 5 minutes comes not only for the stopping, but also from the need to decelerate to the station, and then accelerating to the travel speed. On a fast train, both of those take a lot of time.
Interesting idea, but surely dangerous. Think about the accidents on rollercasters, that travel slower, and weigh less than a bullet train. Too many points of failure. Plus people are involved (people can be stupid and careless) If the offloading pod doesn't disconnect... Ouch!
:D Toyota train rofl... i don't get it what the advantages of such a train are spposed to be? you save the fuel you need to start the train at each station?
@pawppy You save loads of time that people take loading and unloading the train, and also energy. Think of the energy it takes to start and stop a cart versus the energy it takes to start and stop a train 10 times the size of the cart. Pretty clever idea
Not taking into account extreme disasters, the main problem with this is that people can only get on in the front, and off in the back. I think to really make this work, the loading cabin would have to look like a suspended normal train. It would have to be almost as long as the actual train, so that it isn't necessary to walk all the way across the bullet train to get out. The other problems with it are not too hard to solve. The bullet train would have to slow down to avoid acceleration shock.
@Dogod2 exactly what i thought, and I can't really imagine all that crowd entering or getting out of a train trying to board or even stand in that small cabin... In case the cabin was as long as the normal train, (lets say two cabins cause there has to be one for gettin in and one for getting out) I don't know how these cabins would have enough available track length to slow down or speed up smoothly...
Very interesting concept. The problem is that currently the majority of bullet trains run on electricity supplied through overhead cables and this design doesn't seem to take that into account. I don't know about the Chinese bullet trains but in Japan and Europe they use overhead cables. Otherwise thought provoking about future travel...
A train that never stops -- interesting... However, the idea is nothing new. Here in Manila where I live, the buses never stop, either. They just slow down to pick up or let off passengers. Commuters must be agile enough to get on and off moving buses without getting injured. Doing this is second nature to many Filipinos.
Its' quite different to jump on a slowed down bus and jumping on a min. 200 km/hour speeding train. Yes, the idea of jumping on a moving transport itself is not new but certainly THIS idea is new. I am not sure if we ever see it in real life but thought provoking about future travel...
I ride a commuter train each day. I would LOVE it if our trains did this! For starters, we wouldn't have to wait out in the cold, heat, wind, snow, rain, ice, fog, etc. Plus, we could (if we wished) start working or playing on our laptops (or sleep!) on the top train while we wait for the bottom train to get us. It would also be nice to sit down and wait for the train to come instead of standing in line waiting for a noisy train to arrive. I don't see how a commuter would resist this idea.
nayjayjee 2 weeks ago
How is this related to environment and saving energy? Is this only for saving time?
FredericAzar 3 weeks ago
Come on people. It's not about saving time. Don't u study energy courses in ur BS? It's about saving a huge amount of fuel. Train is heavy like crazy. Each time u start accelerating, u need a huge amount of energy. In this way, u save all that. Remember regenerative braking in hybrid cars. This is far more superior.
pooriashams 2 months ago 2
I was thinking the same thing!! Im telling lots of people but they just don't get it. Im glad that there's someone out there who understands the concept.
yusufjojo1 3 months ago
bad idea is bad.
ilidiandemon 4 months ago
I did not understand the function of the train if people are just on top.
nelcimpilot 4 months ago
@nelcimpilot the train on top is to carry the passengers to the next station ,but the train downside ,don't stop until arrive to the final destination . Do u get me ? it save a lot of time for the people who wanna direct travel...
lucaslee1991 2 months ago
@lucaslee1991 What if you want to travel more than one stn on the the top car?, just works for one stn.
muteland 1 month ago
@muteland Well, one might just have to stay in the top car until next train comes to travel further.
dholakiav 3 weeks ago
Forget it; i will never take this train
homer30 5 months ago
its genius but its also a huge tort what if someone is half way on the plat form they will fall and die
asherzk 6 months ago
@asherzk obviously they lock the platform doors before the train arrives...duh
darockk 3 months ago
I don't get the point of a train that never stops at a train station.
mainchow10 6 months ago
It looks cool, but I don't know if it'll catch on.
GardeBlaze 7 months ago
its a train carrying hundreds of commuters....we can't know how much people will alight in which station. What if many people are going to alight in a particular station and the car on the top cannot hold all that people who are going to alight
ghanashyamghimire 7 months ago
@ghanashyamghimire Nail on head. I dunno how many trains I've been in where everyone's been packed in like sardines, then 98% of everyone gets out at the one station and there's, like, 3 people in the whole train for the rest of the journey. Maybe you push a button for your stop and if too many people push it to fit in the debarkation pod then the whole train stops? Anyway, don't wanna be a 'naysayer'. I bet in the 19th century people found just as many reasons why trains were a stupid idea...
refusenik1 6 months ago
Strange, i imagined almost an identical solution.. To those people asking how they move passengers between the two...How hard is it to build a staircase that drops down.... Personally i think the acceleration required for the shuttle to join would require the pax to be belted up, or at least have some heavy duty handles. An i doubt youd be able to use this on stations too close together because there wouldnt be enough time for the pax to get on/off the shuttle.
thatman64 8 months ago
So.... how does one move between the 'exit shuttle' and the regular train? If you're going to do that you would have to get in and out of the main train or solution is only good if you want to get off at the next stop.
sojournermobile 8 months ago
@sojournermobile there is an invention that existed for over 3000 years: it is called "STAIRS".
Or if you want a newer invention, it is only half century old: it is called "ELEVATORS".
quelorepario 7 months ago
@jackificationable Trains don't stop for a shorter or longer time because people ask them to and I wont waste my time explaining you why.
JBnotthescotch 8 months ago
Please explain us the difference between the idea of a concept and the concept of an idea. Also, please clarify why would a big train between to major cities make all the stops in between... have you ever been on a train?
JBnotthescotch 8 months ago
@jackificationable Well, bad ideas get vitriolic and cynical criticism for one simple reason, they are bad. And critizicing them is good, it's the kind of practice that would have prevented the building of hydrogen filled airships, transatlantic ships without lifeboats, pressurized airplanes with square windows..
JBnotthescotch 8 months ago
it would be too heavy, too complex, very expensive to maintain, it would run empty most of the time and it would be much more dangerous than any other train, it would have to be run with a minimum number of wagons always, much more inflexible than normal trains
JBnotthescotch 8 months ago
@luna4linson is this your concept? Is it happening?
nlosborne 8 months ago
AWESOME :]
nlosborne 8 months ago
Mam nadzieję że są lepszymi inżynierami niż grafikami komputerowymi :-P
4EPB 9 months ago
what if the train comes to early lol
HarteveldMMA 9 months ago
dumbass idea
drplbiftin 10 months ago
jajajaaja
46kalas 11 months ago
Sure beats my giant hook on a bungee cord idea.
Moosepiesandwich 11 months ago 20
This is why Asia should not be in charge of designing things.
这就是为什么亚洲不应该在设计的事情负责。
ThePctech37 11 months ago
what a stupid concept
Xenomorph237 1 year ago
i find its so dangerous....
frankly speakin,its really a crazy n amazin idea....
christla0614 1 year ago 2
So... What kind of passenger is in the lower train? Perhaps prisoners who never have to get off?
gkalinin 1 year ago
@gkalinin I guess just regular passengers, people who are getting off the train next stop should be gathered in the compartment that is going to stay in the next stop and the train itself will pick up a new compartment with new passengers on board. I think this idea is quite brilliant but probably won't work very well in China since the huge population.
CHENYUNKE 1 year ago
Now if we could only create a flying version of this...
Elzon1 1 year ago
Wow pretty wild....
ChinaCreativeSpace 1 year ago
Is it guaranteed that the number of people who want to get off at any given stop can always all fit in the umbilical cart?
Reavenk 1 year ago
This my concept. I conceived this idea more than 30 years ago. Unfortunately, I never pursued or documented its conception properly. I want to state for the record that it is possible that I shared this verbally with someone over these past 3 decades, and it has resulted in this animation. I have no proof yet, but intend to pursue proving that this is my intellectual property. Please do not associate my comments with my affiliates here within my YouTube channel. Sincerely, Glen S. Johnson
fillhelper 1 year ago
this concept has many practical problems
JBnotthescotch 8 months ago
The car apparently goes from zero to matching the speed of the train in less than a train length. If we are speaking of a high speed train that is a huge accelleration force. If we aren't speaking of a high speed train are we really saving that much over just letting the train stop?
Innovations1 1 year ago 19
@Innovations1 the speed of the train is actually slower than normal operating speeds. This allows for thecar to have less force on it.
JATO457 1 year ago
@Innovations1 rather the length of platform. It can be longer
rangelso 10 months ago
@Innovations1
the 1900s steam engine locomotive ran a rake at 30m/h. then more innovative ideas brought about the advanced steam engine which pulled a rake at over 50m/h. is a mere 20m/h speed increase saving enough for a small gain in running time? if the train slows down at a station to even half its run speed, then there'd still be a significant gain in time lost when stopping. that to me is a huge leap in rider satisfaction. plus, it'd decrease running costs.
zambi007i 8 months ago
@Innovations1 It isn't from zero to 300KM/H. If you see, the acceleration can be gradual, that's also the beauty of it. The train is long enough to allow the "transportation cabin" to absorb the acceleration by allowing the cabin run on the ceiling for a while before being anchored. The arriving cabin is unlocked way before so only momentum is used to arrive to the station, and the deacceleration would also be gradual and unnoticeable.
The concept is genius and it would be totally applicable.
quelorepario 7 months ago
@Innovations1
I think the selling factor for this isn't the fact that the train base doesn't stop, but that people are already boarded onto the upper passenger deck. That saves the time of people crowding on into the train itself. Keep in mind Beijing is one of the most populous cities on Earth. If you have a higher passenger car to moving base ratio, it cuts crowding and decreases in wait times. It's a pretty amazing concept.
haggardjf 7 months ago
@Innovations1 The train would obviously slow down when picking up a car. Let's pretend that the train goes 300km/h at full speed and slows down to 50km/h when picking up a car, is it really that difficult to imagine? Come on now.
dayati 6 months ago 2
@Innovations1
i think the video is too simplified, the carriage car probably starts moving well before the train approaches, giving it enough time to get up to speed.
darockk 3 months ago
@Innovations1 its 5min STOPPED... we would save time anyway, any time saved already worths it...
lickingfrog 3 months ago
@Innovations1 time is money, my friend
EdotheHero 2 weeks ago
so what happens when the "lower train" accidentally picks up an "upper car" while people are getting off? I see people toppling over.
jackette55 1 year ago
This allows us all to go nowhere even faster!
Iconoclastic8 1 year ago
so... the idea is that we make another train on top of the big train.. huh?
pigkkk2 1 year ago
The train does stop goddamn it!!! wow it saves a few pennies on electricity... jesus christ call Mr. Nobel.
enkidupont 1 year ago
@enkidupont pennies? trains have a lot of momentum (m)(v). 1/2 (m)(v)^2 that shit and youll see it takes a lot of energy to stop something that massive.
schismtomynism 1 year ago
@schismtomynism well, this train is much more massive than a normal passenger train, this would have to be built like a freight container that can have something as heavy as a plane landing on top of it 30 times per trip yet keeping it stable enough not to derail it... besides, unless exactly 1/30th got on the train at every station, the train would run on average at half capacity. it's a problem every train has and the way it's solved is having express trains that only make the final stop
JBnotthescotch 8 months ago
@enkidupont pennies? trains have a lot of momentum (m)(v). 1/2 (m)(v)^2 that shit and youll see it takes a lot of energy to stop something that massive. physics 1, anybody?
schismtomynism 1 year ago
this is a really creative idea but i guess there is one thing i noticed. very limited amount of people u can fit on the pod but i guess it was supposed to be obvious this was for simplicity purposes of the video and that there would be like 5 of these pods that latch on and 5 pods that unlatch
d12cho28 1 year ago
epic fail: as the 200-mph train approaches the station, the get-off carriage fails to let go as the boarding carriage fails to grab on-- the equivalent of a head-on collision with both carriages traveling 100 mph, each full of scores of people. Ick.
wsholar 1 year ago
@wsholar
this danger is solved by having the get-off and get-on carriages on separate tracks, so even if your scenario panned out, they would just pass by each other.
darockk 3 months ago
Nice - this made the New York Times 'Year in Ideas'. Only Chinese idea on the list, tho?
sdesign02 1 year ago
so what if a wedge of the train got in the way of the sliding? imagine the fail then.
ironmadion55 1 year ago
nice idea. just for long distance, but the capacity of the lil train is the problem
abagoy 1 year ago
irreal concept
kdlehel 1 year ago
In addition to all the problems mentioned already, there is the issue of passenger comfort. Getting onto this car, then onto the real train, even by elevator, is a lot of extra hassle for the passengers. Then, if you have a seat at the front of the train, you need to walk through the entire train to get to your seat. For this reason alone, I think most passengers would accept the longer train journey.
CNSZU 1 year ago
hahha stupid. How people enter into a train
cocomotive?
rawux1228 1 year ago
i have some critisicm...
what if you dont need to go to the last station?
if you need to go to the last station, and you start at the 2nd station, you need to stop at all stations, because the train doesnt stop, and you need to wait for the next train.
mostly ther arent much trains on 1 rail, so this will take very long.
i think it is a good idea but it is not perfect
oostventje38 1 year ago
@oostventje38
Im assuming that your not going to be waiting long for the next train man....hahah
I think thats the point.
closetmonsters 1 year ago
@oostventje38
no idea what you are trying to say.
you get off when you need to get off, simple as that.
darockk 3 months ago
How close is the research into a system like this to actually achieving real-world results? High-speed rail technology is good at maintaining constant speeds, but the trains take too long to accelerate and decelerate. So, this idea is certainly worth exploring.
zideaz 1 year ago
Most Chinese CRH trains now stop only two minutes, not five minutes, at all line stations. In the larger stations, those boarding are not allowed onto the platform until those getting off have left the platform. It is rather a challenge to find your carriage before the train pulls out. This design could help some of that, but the vertical ladder is not for the mobility-challenged. (The current two-minute stops aren't helpful for the same set of passengers either.)
OneWindowSeat 1 year ago
we had this sort of thing in England in 1930's it was called a " slip Carriage" Great Western Railway had them. Not sure if there is a Video on here for them
rubberobert 1 year ago
At least, they are doindg something to solve the problems.
illuminnatti 1 year ago
q buena idea... y aqui recien un metropolitano que no tiene nada que ver con un tren !! gracias por el video ! =_O!
OoMari3l3naoO 1 year ago
@jackificationable
The idea i have given solve all the problems. You will not have issues with number of passengers getting in/out at particular station and also passengers need not run from one end of train to another end to get into boarding carriage. This idea works in china well because even if few people die or transported like animals who dares to ask the question:):)?.ha..ha.
Bullet trains usually run between big cities, what does a chinese achieve saving 5-10 minutes?
Daystar2006 1 year ago
@jackificationable
Now I will give you a better idea (never call these short of things as innovation). Just run a equal capacity train parallel to the non-stop one which can lock into it and let the passengers get up and get down from it. You can have two trains of equal or large capcity parellel lock-in trains. Each one for getting out/in. Getting out can start far ahead & lock-into & let people get-into it while getting-in can start from station & lock-in & let people get-in with good time
Daystar2006 1 year ago
@Daystar2006
but what would be the point of this idea, the 2nd train of equal length and size is going to be using heaps of energy to slow up and slow down. One major point of the whole idea is to use less energy.
darockk 3 months ago
@jackificationable
I can't win a argument with you when u already made up your mind. All the maths and statistics will not work in planning particular station passenger traffic every-time of the day. If train stops incase of more people, then it defeats the idea and it is not innovation. Just selling chinese lunch for $5 is not innovation and it means poor quality.
Daystar2006 1 year ago
Genius. Build it. Stop doing computer animations of it.
griffin2000 1 year ago
This is not innovation. it is utter stupidity. Nobody knows pattern of number of passengers getting down/up at particular station. May be few or half the train or full train. It all depends on many external patterns. What if few people doesn't fit that shit, do they have to wait till train goes around or just fly from window?
This concept is simply non-sense and not in tune with humans humane travel habits. What is the issue if train stops for 5 minutes when you are travelling between cities?
Daystar2006 1 year ago
Amazing concept, love it!. The cab should be lowered into the main train while in transit to avoid drag and make it easier for passengers to access it.
iorr98 1 year ago
Look dangerous. People could be trying to get on while the train is coming and then SPLAT.
cryora 1 year ago
gotta love those chinese geeks...
PapaMurv 1 year ago
MIntha csak a portal-t hallanám.
timbalar 1 year ago
Really glad China has decided to put my idea into practice. Finally!
oscarmike0 1 year ago
This would never work in the US because of our ADA compliance. Enough said.
nadenson 1 year ago
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@nadenson "This would never work in the US because of our ADA compliance. Enough said."
ADA: Americans with Disabilities Act.
Do any other countries comply with this Act?
(My original comment was going to be about using a lift to transfer people, but I just had to respond to your contradictory opinion.)
AndrooUK 1 year ago
is this idea being developed now?
KombiPode 1 year ago
Hard to pull of, but it would be awesome
libbern 1 year ago
I assume the idea behind the concept is to do away with local trains. The example states there are 30 stations between Beijing and Guangzahou. A total distance of 2480 Km or an average of 83 Km between stations.
If a rider's trip is to the next station they would, at advertised speeds, have a total of 2.89 minutes in which to connect the "on module", accelerate it to train speed and be safely secured in the "off module" before decellerating for arrival at the next station. I'll Watch :)
pjdarling12 1 year ago
This is sad! Americans are finally investing in high speed (which isn't even that fast compared to other country's high speed) and China already has this kind of technology!
soul4tran 1 year ago
@soul4tran Japan had high speed rail in the mid 60s!
davidkstyler 1 year ago
@davidkstyler Did you hear that from the NPR report today? That's how I heard about this "coupling" train and the "Japan had high speed rail in the mid 60's" deal. That's makes us Americans complete retards for being so stubborn. Oh, and President Obama has been pushing for high speed rail for years, but of course, Republicans will do whatever to block it since it's cutting into their oil stocks. Sad.
soul4tran 1 year ago 2
@soul4tran Americans aren't stubborn, they just don't need trains b/c they have cars and airplanes. America's highways were constructed when the chinese were still using donkey carts. With the highway system americans can go anywhere there's a road anytime they want. If you want mass transport, the airline system can move more people to more places faster than any train. Passenger trains have been obsolete in America for at least half a century. Obama only wants a train b/c other ppl have them.
natdavi 9 months ago
@natdavi Wrong. The reason is oil. American oil companies have and are making billions...just look at what you've paid for gas since you had your car alone. You make it as if people in countries with High Speed rail don't use cars or something. They just have another reliable method of transportation.
I love my car and love driving it. There's no high speed rail in the US because that'll just lower oil demand and lower prices. You think oil companies are groaning when it's $4 a gallon? No.
soul4tran 9 months ago
@soul4tran What I've paid for gas is a fraction the price of the car itself. I have seen oil companies driven out of the United States by it's own government. I have seen them threatened with nationalization. Also I've seen oil prices increase less than inflation for decades. I know America's passenger train plans involve diesel-powered engines. If Americans want trains as another option, let the passengers buy tickets at a sustainable price. No need to give your government another trophy.
natdavi 9 months ago
this concept is not about saving time for the passengers but to allow the trains and all other trains behind to maintain the bullet speed....must be done.
enlgishmotherfucker 1 year ago
wow.. how come I never thought of this
nartin86 1 year ago
I hope this train carries a lot of body bags !!!
jeffdarga100 1 year ago
about the problem with many people at the same time getting out of that train...
first there might just be longer carriers and less space in the actual train, second, carriers would not only be above the train but also beneath. all of this would stop the train more, yes, but if they make the train really heavy and the carriers light, shit might work.
WhatAreColors 1 year ago
@WhatAreColors
Dont worry about masses even though this is china.
The method will be "queuing to enter the station" instead of "queuing to enter the train"
People will stand outside the station and a certain of masses will get on it.
The train is very streaming so they wont have to w8 long.
Anyways, if something happens, it is not unlikely a "magnet shut off" button is placed somewhere, an emergency stop. Not to the high speed train, but to stop the bullet train.
1Animeculture 1 year ago
possible concept, a ladder is not even required, there could be stairs inside the big trains with hatches above them and the carriers would also have such a hatch. if the carriers stop over the trains hatch both will open. there would be rather big gap in the stairs but that can be filled with moving stair parts or something.
WhatAreColors 1 year ago
Who will be the guinea pig???
TzrAvoR 1 year ago
the extra aerodynamics drag would cost all the energy the train saves by not stopping
efastMixer 1 year ago
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what if there's more people that want to get off but the transfer train is full? also, the if the mechanism breaks, which would sustain heavy wear and tear at this speed for attachment/reattachment, people would get hurt easily give the speed the train is travelling.
efastMixer 1 year ago
Good design.
GarridLou 1 year ago
Very Good.
veryyyy
jaS2baca 1 year ago
Looks pretty good! It might not save much energy, but makes for a faster trip. Now to invent a parachute drop off for passenger jets!
NathanYoshiyah 1 year ago
ROFL WTF
lennartjuhh 1 year ago
oh snap! those asians solve everything.
IMakeBoyzJizz 1 year ago
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no, that's not an accident waiting to happen
firewallx 1 year ago
No, that's not an accident waiting to happen.
firewallx 1 year ago
[cont] To achieve the same passenger throughput as a conventional train with several cars, about one transport train per car has to be used (unless several cars are picked up at once, which is exactly the current state). So to accelerate one car, we drive a full train.
kFrederking 1 year ago
@kFrederking Before u comment on something u have to understand it fully. U have not understood the video and blabbering.
luna4linson 1 year ago
@luna4linson
Then be so kind and explain WHY I am wrong. Have you studied physics, too?
kFrederking 1 year ago
@kFrederking
The bigger train cannot be replace with just an electric engine because,
1. The big train is actually going to carry the passengers. The top car is just to enter and exit the train.
2. The length of the train is the only wat to probide a slow start to the above car. connecting the car to an engine alone will be equivalent to let the engine hit the car.
And s i studied physics too.
luna4linson 1 year ago
@luna4linson
Engine as in electric motor installed in the car, making it autonomous, not a full train engine. And able to couple with other autonomous cars while running.
So what about the aerodynamics, top speed achievable, and the energy usage?
kFrederking 1 year ago
Crackpot scheme. Instead of using electric engines to drive the passenger cars, a whole train is used. On pick-up of the cars, it has to transfer kinetic energy to the car, which has to be compensated for by accelerating the train. Energy usage: The same as if the car had to provide this via an engine.
While moving, the piggy-back train has a larger profile and an inferior drag coefficient, compared to a regular train - meaning additional energy consumption.
kFrederking 1 year ago
Doesn't the little train on top of the other add a large amount of drag force? And how do people from the little train go onto the big train? an interior ladder of some kind i guess??
R8FME 1 year ago
@R8FME u r right abt the ladder :)
luna4linson 1 year ago
@luna4linson ... its latter.
dreadlockjones 1 year ago
@R8FME there is no drag force because its easing to a stop, not slamming on the brakes @ 300 mph
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ForDoverUSA 1 year ago
@R8FME
I was thinking the same thing!
ForDoverUSA 1 year ago
I think it'd be simpler to just open the doors as they go by the station and make everybody jump on as the train passes. Survival of the quickest.
WhatsUpScrote 1 year ago 34
@WhatsUpScrote
"Survival of the quickest" => LOL!
sampayu 1 year ago
@WhatsUpScrote lol
d12cho28 1 year ago
@WhatsUpScrote haha i actually laughed out loud for that one
d12cho28 1 year ago
@WhatsUpScrote LMAO! Nice.
muxishine 1 year ago
@WhatsUpScrote hahahaha
JBnotthescotch 8 months ago
how does that make any sense? cause now you have EXTRA waiting time for the little train thats just sitting there waiting for the big train. why don't you just have 2 trains come to the same station? or have trains come twice as often. In tokyo some trains come every 2 minutes! not to mention that the inertia is gonna fuck everything up. this is stupid.
maikeru01 1 year ago
diseño sustentable, nos van ganando los japoneses compañeros de diseñoo.!!
q pasaa?? jejeje...
Ricky21tatu 1 year ago
@Ricky21tatu lo que pasa es que cuando dejan que los diseñadores que hagan cosas con partes moviles, encuentran nuevas maneras de arriezgar la vida humana
JBnotthescotch 8 months ago
Interesting concept and to suddenly go from a standing stop to the speed of the train without experiencing the usual feeling of exheleration would be weird, the biggest problem would be ensuring that the passengers were on the carrige by the time the train passed the station
pronto355 1 year ago
Fuck that's clever. I for one welcome our new Chinese Overlords.
asdfers 1 year ago 40
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@asdfers Well, except for the human rights violations.
AcemanJones 1 year ago
@asdfers if you think they are clever maybe you deserve to have them as overlords
JBnotthescotch 8 months ago
Wow, thats a great idea. That will make trains even more efficient.
phogasm 1 year ago 2
What if all the passengers onboard wish to disembark at the same station???
=|
sampayu 1 year ago
@sampayu Then it sucks to be them. Presumably if you're building a train that doesn't even stop at platforms, every one of those stops is busy. It'd be strange if 29 stops were deserts and the 30th was where everyone wants to go.
MatthewStukus 1 year ago
@MatthewStukus
Sure, but that doesn't solve the problem presented in my question.
=]
Okay, it would be very unusual if everyone decided to disembark at the same station. But lemme give you a couple of examples:
1. Where I live (São Paulo city), almost 80% of the passengers leave the train at the central subway station;
2. Everybody leaves the train at the last station. Okay, that might become senseless on a circular circuit. But the possibility remains there.
Anyway it's too risky, too.
sampayu 1 year ago
@sampayu Risk is in every new invention. Solution comes as times pass. This is just a concept right?
luna4linson 1 year ago
@luna4linson
So I hope. The basic concept seems very good.
sampayu 1 year ago
@sampayu the train can still stop in main big central station. This is only for little stations.
I more concerned by the weight of the module, I feel that a secondary train, on parallel rails, would be more feasible. Moreover, putting a continuous rails over all train cars is not possible.
Another issue is that 2 station might be needed, one to go in, and another like a mile further to get out.
roselan 1 year ago
@sampayu
You live in Sao Paulo man that city sucks with traffick congestion. I will never live there again. Totally sucks.
KombiPode 1 year ago
@KombiPode
I agree with you that our transportation system sucks. But high population density and excessive number of cars are part of the everyday life in many big cities worldwide.
And I didn't get how your comment contributed to the subject...
Anyway, I'm a lucky man: from where I live, a walk to my job doesn't take more than 45min, and it doesn't take more than 10min to get to a college, bank, shopping mall, market, cinema, subway, bus station, bakery, restaurant, gym, postal service...
sampayu 1 year ago
@sampayu this is a proposal for cross country trains, not city transit.
AirChina23 1 year ago
@AirChina23
Mmmm... that's new info to me. Now it makes more sense.
sampayu 1 year ago
@sampayu no! it makes less sense. how many people would board this thing at 3 am? the more I think of it the worse it sounds
JBnotthescotch 8 months ago
@JBnotthescotch
Although I still find it hard to make this project become reality, maybe the "chineasy" guys can figure something out from their "magic hats".
But I still can't stop to imagine how it would be if, on every station, 100% of the passengers wanted to leave the train and the passengers waiting at the platform embarked until the train was 100% full... Hehehe...
sampayu 8 months ago
@sampayu I think it would be a very scary experience.
JBnotthescotch 8 months ago
@sampayu maybe you still don't get it. Passangers are resting in the "never stopping train" below.
The things that move on the top are only "exit shuttles", you go up to the shuttle if you want to get off.
quelorepario 7 months ago
@sampayu sampaio, isso n seria para metrô, seria para tipo trem bala, ele diminui a velocidade e não para para oegar gente, até pq o tempo que leva de uma estação tem que ser meio grande, senão n da tempo de tirar e acomodar novas pessoas de forma eficiente. Isso é para coisas mais luxuosas e longas. Além do mais, nesse ponto deve ser mais por "desenvolvimento" de tecnologia.
benets 1 year ago
@benets
É, o usuário AirChina23 já me explicou isso. Entendi.
Em São Paulo seria mesmo impossível, rs.
sampayu 1 year ago
@MatthewStukus Yes! I think the problem is that a lot of Americans are commenting and passenger trains are not very common in the US.
JBnotthescotch 8 months ago
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It would be nice if u spoke frickin English
flying1533 1 year ago
@flying1533 Considering it is a Chinese concept and the video happened to get uploaded to Youtube, does it REALLY come as a surprise that the commentary is in Mandarin?
Forty2Ind 1 year ago
Well that's just nifty.
roseroar88 1 year ago
Humanity is finally catching up to The Jetsons.
frenzyGODawful 1 year ago 2
The concept seems like it could work, I'd like to see it actually realeased though.
melkarth10 1 year ago
Funky idea, why not. Trains don't stop for 5 minutes though (more like 1 minute), so the time saving claim is exaggerated.
MusicByproduct 1 year ago
@MusicByproduct the 5 minutes comes not only for the stopping, but also from the need to decelerate to the station, and then accelerating to the travel speed. On a fast train, both of those take a lot of time.
Baiko 1 year ago
@Baiko : True, but I don't expect the system in the video to work at, say, 200km/h. :) Remains to be seen though!
MusicByproduct 1 year ago
Interesting idea, but surely dangerous. Think about the accidents on rollercasters, that travel slower, and weigh less than a bullet train. Too many points of failure. Plus people are involved (people can be stupid and careless) If the offloading pod doesn't disconnect... Ouch!
mcsquash 1 year ago
:D Toyota train rofl... i don't get it what the advantages of such a train are spposed to be? you save the fuel you need to start the train at each station?
pawppy 1 year ago
@pawppy You save loads of time that people take loading and unloading the train, and also energy. Think of the energy it takes to start and stop a cart versus the energy it takes to start and stop a train 10 times the size of the cart. Pretty clever idea
FSUthegang 1 year ago
China gonna rule US... and all americans gonna have to stitch garments for a few iens (or wtf money they use)... : D
bombyx07 1 year ago
I love it.
TonyBtheEG 1 year ago
Not taking into account extreme disasters, the main problem with this is that people can only get on in the front, and off in the back. I think to really make this work, the loading cabin would have to look like a suspended normal train. It would have to be almost as long as the actual train, so that it isn't necessary to walk all the way across the bullet train to get out. The other problems with it are not too hard to solve. The bullet train would have to slow down to avoid acceleration shock.
Dogod2 1 year ago
@Dogod2 exactly what i thought, and I can't really imagine all that crowd entering or getting out of a train trying to board or even stand in that small cabin... In case the cabin was as long as the normal train, (lets say two cabins cause there has to be one for gettin in and one for getting out) I don't know how these cabins would have enough available track length to slow down or speed up smoothly...
korax2 1 year ago
God causes man to invent so amazing things.
kyleain 1 year ago
Christ that language is hard on the ears.
haupper 1 year ago
Very interesting concept. The problem is that currently the majority of bullet trains run on electricity supplied through overhead cables and this design doesn't seem to take that into account. I don't know about the Chinese bullet trains but in Japan and Europe they use overhead cables. Otherwise thought provoking about future travel...
norky69 1 year ago
@norky69 The Chinese trains are maglev, so don't need the OHE cables.
tuxicle 1 year ago
A train that never stops -- interesting... However, the idea is nothing new. Here in Manila where I live, the buses never stop, either. They just slow down to pick up or let off passengers. Commuters must be agile enough to get on and off moving buses without getting injured. Doing this is second nature to many Filipinos.
LouisianaGatorGirl 1 year ago 8
@LouisianaGatorGirl
Its' quite different to jump on a slowed down bus and jumping on a min. 200 km/hour speeding train. Yes, the idea of jumping on a moving transport itself is not new but certainly THIS idea is new. I am not sure if we ever see it in real life but thought provoking about future travel...
norky69 1 year ago