Had I done more steering input (or counter steering) given the traffic and track conditions the outcome would have likely been much worse than $1000 front end repair the car sustained. Possible multicar accident in the making. There was a pack of traffic behind me ( maybe 5 cars, one spun behind me )as this was a warmup lap. Who knows???Those of us out there had various levels of experience (some more some less) which can easily factor into a significant pile up and possible injury. I le
@bwagman counter-steering doesn't put other cars in danger. not doing anything puts other cars in danger.
you don't need to try and be a drift king and slide for 100 ft, all you needed to do was one very quick 90-180 degree countersteer (i mean like 0.1-0.2 of a second for the entire motion) and it would kill the slide completely as long as you aren't mashing the throttle. all you need is to keep throttle input the same (dont jump off or apply any more) and add a quick and positive counter-steer
@123aellis On a slippery track? Inertia is a bitch. Not only would fast counter steering swing the car back straight, it'd keep sliding round, with about 5 cars behind him..
@zunetrav4 if the countersteer is the right amount, and fast enough, it wouldn't swing back. That would be over-correcting... correct the proper amount and the problem is solved.
@123aellis That's very true but to do something like that on a slippery track with traffic behind you takes driving experience, skill and confidence. Something that the driver may have been lacking, so in my eyes nothing wrong with better safe than sorry
Also, the BMW most likely spun out due to a quick lift off throttle or a jerky manuever to avoid the Mustang. You guys need to understand these are your average drivers that want to try out their cars in a safe controlled environment. They are no Andretti (its a track day and there are amateurs) Never ever blame conditions... Your the driver, you have the controls and you make the call if its safe to go on track or not.
Conditions sure looked poor but the driver of the Mustang just made a rookie mistake that gets the best of us. He needs to accept his mistake and not blame the conditions. It is your first your first initial reaction to countersteer when the tail end kicks out regardless of the conditions. (you just do it subconciously) There was barely any input on the steering at all. Half a turn of lock most likely would have saved that and a bit smoother throttle control. Its a lesson for everyone.
I feel so bad for all the haters writing "LOL MUSTANGS HANDLE STUPID :):):)" Must be hard to function being that retarded. Guess you zoomed down to the comment box to spew your brain vomit so quickly you missed seeing the blue BMW M3 spin out as well? Last I checked those are supposed to be "The Ultimate Driving Machines" and it kinda spun out at the same time in the same corner.
considering the cold, wet track, and traffic...Had I counter steered, the results could have been much worse. I could have ended up hitting another car,...(notice the car that almost hit me at the end)...Instead I escaped with less than $1,000 damage...There's not much one can do when you hydroplane, especially in those conditions...
@bwagman That's not even close to hydroplaning , it's just very slippery road surface... also , you should have countersteered and calmed the car down , letting the car go is a better option only if you are not sure in your capabilities as a driver in which case you could cause more damage than you would done in the first place..( mostly by overcorrecting it )
Big power and RWD on a cold wet track is extremely tricky at best on normal street tires. Stuff happens, most other people posting negative comments wouldn't make it out of turn one.
The negative comments are likely by individuals who never tracked their car (1/4 mile runs aren't the same). As noted by an intelligent viewer, a BMW spun out right behind me. A white Supra crashed after the S turn. All this in about 2 minutes. Counter steering is useless when the pavement may have well have been ice (or close to it). The HPDE was in November and early enough in the morning where it was around 40 degrees with a light misty rain. Of course my fault for running too high tire
Sorry for your car Bwagman. I too almost lost mine on lap 2 of first session at the downhill on a very cold (frost early on) November morning, by coming on to power too strongly before releasing enough steering.
Your crash is the classic big bend crash. If you put the power down before releasing on a RWD car, you tipically crash on the inside wall. Happens over and over again.
Looks like you early apexed second half of big bend (turn 2) , and you still had a fair bit of steering at track out
I saw a vid of a spin out/crash in the same exact spot on a dry day and the comments said it must have been some oil.. It looks like a change in the pitch of the road right after you come out of it.. sucks for the stang..
Had I done more steering input (or counter steering) given the traffic and track conditions the outcome would have likely been much worse than $1000 front end repair the car sustained. Possible multicar accident in the making. There was a pack of traffic behind me ( maybe 5 cars, one spun behind me )as this was a warmup lap. Who knows???Those of us out there had various levels of experience (some more some less) which can easily factor into a significant pile up and possible injury. I le
bwagman 7 months ago
@bwagman counter-steering doesn't put other cars in danger. not doing anything puts other cars in danger.
you don't need to try and be a drift king and slide for 100 ft, all you needed to do was one very quick 90-180 degree countersteer (i mean like 0.1-0.2 of a second for the entire motion) and it would kill the slide completely as long as you aren't mashing the throttle. all you need is to keep throttle input the same (dont jump off or apply any more) and add a quick and positive counter-steer
123aellis 4 months ago
@123aellis On a slippery track? Inertia is a bitch. Not only would fast counter steering swing the car back straight, it'd keep sliding round, with about 5 cars behind him..
zunetrav4 3 months ago
@zunetrav4 if the countersteer is the right amount, and fast enough, it wouldn't swing back. That would be over-correcting... correct the proper amount and the problem is solved.
123aellis 3 months ago
@123aellis That's very true but to do something like that on a slippery track with traffic behind you takes driving experience, skill and confidence. Something that the driver may have been lacking, so in my eyes nothing wrong with better safe than sorry
zunetrav4 3 months ago
@zunetrav4 yea that's a really good point... I think the confidence is the most important factor in a quick-thinking situation like that.
123aellis 3 months ago
Also, the BMW most likely spun out due to a quick lift off throttle or a jerky manuever to avoid the Mustang. You guys need to understand these are your average drivers that want to try out their cars in a safe controlled environment. They are no Andretti (its a track day and there are amateurs) Never ever blame conditions... Your the driver, you have the controls and you make the call if its safe to go on track or not.
ae864agehachi 7 months ago
Conditions sure looked poor but the driver of the Mustang just made a rookie mistake that gets the best of us. He needs to accept his mistake and not blame the conditions. It is your first your first initial reaction to countersteer when the tail end kicks out regardless of the conditions. (you just do it subconciously) There was barely any input on the steering at all. Half a turn of lock most likely would have saved that and a bit smoother throttle control. Its a lesson for everyone.
ae864agehachi 7 months ago
I like how the BMW lost it right there at :29 as if to say, "Yeah, me too."
Curveball 7 months ago
a lot of retarded people on here....
bkblitzed 8 months ago
he cant drive..
gabber555 8 months ago
I feel so bad for all the haters writing "LOL MUSTANGS HANDLE STUPID :):):)" Must be hard to function being that retarded. Guess you zoomed down to the comment box to spew your brain vomit so quickly you missed seeing the blue BMW M3 spin out as well? Last I checked those are supposed to be "The Ultimate Driving Machines" and it kinda spun out at the same time in the same corner.
chickenme50 9 months ago
damn.. glad no one was hurt
LuckRenewal 9 months ago
didnt even countersteer?
GVVJG 11 months ago 5
@GVVJG
considering the cold, wet track, and traffic...Had I counter steered, the results could have been much worse. I could have ended up hitting another car,...(notice the car that almost hit me at the end)...Instead I escaped with less than $1,000 damage...There's not much one can do when you hydroplane, especially in those conditions...
bwagman 11 months ago
@bwagman That's not even close to hydroplaning , it's just very slippery road surface... also , you should have countersteered and calmed the car down , letting the car go is a better option only if you are not sure in your capabilities as a driver in which case you could cause more damage than you would done in the first place..( mostly by overcorrecting it )
RenaultSport133 7 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Mustangs handle GREAT!
4G63PWR 11 months ago
awful mustang handling
trace1144 1 year ago
Big power and RWD on a cold wet track is extremely tricky at best on normal street tires. Stuff happens, most other people posting negative comments wouldn't make it out of turn one.
bob12312357 1 year ago
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leoma95 1 year ago
audi
BlakeyBoy18T 1 year ago
The negative comments are likely by individuals who never tracked their car (1/4 mile runs aren't the same). As noted by an intelligent viewer, a BMW spun out right behind me. A white Supra crashed after the S turn. All this in about 2 minutes. Counter steering is useless when the pavement may have well have been ice (or close to it). The HPDE was in November and early enough in the morning where it was around 40 degrees with a light misty rain. Of course my fault for running too high tire
bwagman 1 year ago 2
Sorry for your car Bwagman. I too almost lost mine on lap 2 of first session at the downhill on a very cold (frost early on) November morning, by coming on to power too strongly before releasing enough steering.
Your crash is the classic big bend crash. If you put the power down before releasing on a RWD car, you tipically crash on the inside wall. Happens over and over again.
Looks like you early apexed second half of big bend (turn 2) , and you still had a fair bit of steering at track out
leoma95 1 year ago
If everyone paid attention you would notice the BMW that spun him out at the end of video.
02mustangboy 1 year ago
you were going so slow and still lost control?! uhm..
vrasuk 1 year ago
Bad driver!!!!!!!!!
Dalter10 1 year ago
wouldn't of counter steering helped?
SpringImpact 1 year ago
I saw a vid of a spin out/crash in the same exact spot on a dry day and the comments said it must have been some oil.. It looks like a change in the pitch of the road right after you come out of it.. sucks for the stang..
Wavehogger 1 year ago
how does that happen...
IanTheVideoRater 1 year ago
@IanTheVideoRater
The event was In mid November, cold, mid morning, drizzle, and over inflated street tires.
bwagman 1 year ago
@bwagman yea just blame the tires, or the cold weather, or the inflation amount of the tires.... they all drove the car right? They drive cars?
You might think that it could be the guy DRIVING the cars fault?? NOOOO! no way it was novembers fault!
flagator2009 3 weeks ago
could have turned a little more :S
factanon 1 year ago