if the plane crash itself caused significant damage then the towers should have started to fall almost immediately, yet they only started to fall after a couple of hours after, which is why they have to go with the lie that fire gradually weakened the steel.
I still say this is all moot in the face of WTC 7. I see comments like how fast the plane was travelling and "one dude's opinion" (though that 'dude' happened to be a professional structural engineer), but none of this matters ultimately, because WTC 7 only had a few localized fires. You just can't deny controlled demolition. To try is simply cognitive dissonance...
Also, notice he said "knocked over." This is because it is nearly impossible that a natural collapse would proceed through the path of greatest resistance i.e. straight down.
@c1elite436 It wasnt the fire that brought it down. When the plane crashed into the tower, it destroyed multiple support beams on several floors- so suddenly there is all this weight resting on half the support actually needed. Inevitably this weight gave weigh and fell onto the remaining structure which, because of this, also collapsed. Fire had very little, or even nothing to do with it.
The idiocy demonstrated by most of these comments is astounding.... Charlie Thornton is one of the most well respected structural engineers in the world. The WTC collapsed AFTER the impact to which Dr. Thornton was referring, demonstrating his point.
I know personaly a few structural engineers and achitects from my time at uni.... and they all agree that the towers shouldnt have come down with a plane hit! even with calculating the flash point temp of the fuel, there is just absolutely no way!!! the builidings was brought down via 'other methods'. do some research of your own outside of youtube and youl agree theres more to the event then were told
- Charles Thornton was talking about the initial impact not causing a collapse.
- He is still a practicing structural engineer and expert witness in the field. Thornton-Tomasetti Engineers in one of (if not THE) largest engineering firms in NYC with offices in many other cities.
- It is not a comb over. He has a full head of very healthy hair. I would know, I am his daughter.
And hear what this expert says after 9/11 in an phone interview. You can find it on the user channel "shure911".
The engineering company Thornton-Tomasatti Group was the main engineering contractor in the clean-up efforts at Ground Zero. Hired for helping to destroy the evidence.
jet fule nvr helped the situation but those planses nvr took down the wtc explosives did if thats the case y is the empire state building still standing???
Firstt of all, I witnessed that day with my own eyes, I was there...not viewing through a mass media filter, not over and over on the net. The description says: "Charlie Thornton Structural engineer says WTC would not collapse".
At no point is this man speaking about a collapse. He's taken out of context and referring to the likelihood of a plane "knocking over" a building like a domino.Basically weather the impact alone could topple the twins.
@4godaddygo the evidence i found is in my videos, my video "how the towers fell" explains what architects and engineers understand but can't admit to because they have an agenda, it explains how the towers were destroyed by the planes and planted explosives were not possible.
i have videos that expose the following people in cover ups and lies, jesse ventura, alex jones, richard gage, loose change, my video "sept 11th the smoking gun" shows how they make it look like what they need.
fuel cannot melt or even soften steel + the fuel vaporised. you can even see people waving hands calling for help at the precise floor where the "planes" hit (if ever it was a plane btw) so it wasn't burning hot in there for you wouldn't be able to see people calling for help at those floors where the plane hit
LOTKWSN Your kidding right? Fire from what Jet fuel that is kerosene, so you believe kerosene weaken the steel and office junk burning for under 1 hr popen joints ten floors per second at free fall speed into it's own footprint? All from Kerosene? umm no 1993 the CIA rented the truck, 911 is shady..
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Finally some f****** common sense illustrated!Its f****** ridiculous to think those buildings collapsed on their own from an airplane crashing into them.I can't understand how people don't understand this.
also - in response to "youprick's" ridiculous comment, please note that the core of the twin towers consisted of 47, not 1, core columns...did the plane take out all of them? didn't think so. Did the plane take out all of the columns of tower 7, which also collapsed in near free fall speed? of course not, it was not even hit by a plane...do some actually research before making stupid statements please.
also - bluesmaddy, that is a very ignorant comment. the age of the plane is not the issue. the issue is the kinetic energy carried by the plane on impact.
Listen - regardless of whether a plane could take down the building (which it couldn't), the WAY in which the buildings fell is the real key here. In order for the buildings to fall the way they did, all 47 core columns would have had to fail SIMULTANEOUSLY...possible? I'll concede that just about anything is POSSIBLE. Best explanation? absolutely not. The evidence when viewed as a whole points to controlled demolition.
dude 747s have been around since waaaay before 1988 n theyre still used it doesnt matter wen the plane was made stop making excuses for a govt that kills its ppl, then bullshits to them, then kills more of them
the size and year doesent really matter. its not cause they were 757 or 767's. the trade centers were designed like a screen. if u poke a pencil through a window screen, the other cross sections support the damage. the same is true with the mesh structure of the towers. not to mention the #7 wasent even hit by planes
there are places where loudmouths whip up the mob and start agitation. clear-headed, solid reasoning is what is needed to see something, other than a conspiracy at every turn.
One fundamental flaw in this thinking. The columns are designed to hold 13000 tons of weight vertically. A plane is 300 tons of weight applied horizontally. Get yourself a soda straw and hold it vertically on the table. Push down on the top of it and compare the amount of pressure it can withstand that way to the amount of pressure it can stand to push at it from the side. This is not rocket science folks.
By the way, I am a civil/structural engineer but I haven't got a decades of experience behind me. Is there any experienced engineers out there who would like to comment on this? A lot of questions would be answered very quickly if some qualified people debated this rather that a load of average joes who like to call each other names. No offense to anybody who isn't an engineer, I just think it should be engineers who decide what happened to the buildings, not people with a strong opinion.
I thought he was saying that the INITIAL IMPACT of a plane would be incapable of knocking the tower over? The planes did take out a lot of exterior columns on two sides of each building. If say, 30% of the exterior columns were severed & the loads were then redistributed to other parts of the building like the corners which were then heated up (not melted), would this be enough to cause the top to topple over?
Its just disappointing to live in a time where so many people are led like idiots to their slaughter. It will be interesting to see what they do once awakened. Bush Senior said that if people knew what he had done he would be chased down the street and lynched. Well I think its time to start lynching.
fck the nwo
KRead5 4 days ago
if the plane crash itself caused significant damage then the towers should have started to fall almost immediately, yet they only started to fall after a couple of hours after, which is why they have to go with the lie that fire gradually weakened the steel.
Roonoon2 6 days ago
911 inside job , end of discussion.
dynastydadonprod 6 days ago
I still say this is all moot in the face of WTC 7. I see comments like how fast the plane was travelling and "one dude's opinion" (though that 'dude' happened to be a professional structural engineer), but none of this matters ultimately, because WTC 7 only had a few localized fires. You just can't deny controlled demolition. To try is simply cognitive dissonance...
robinmorningstar1 1 week ago 2
Yeah the towers are much more than 13,000 tons each.. MUCH more.
DailyStaley 1 week ago
Oh, one dude's opinion. Case closed I guess.
lupischuckle 6 months ago
amazing and he was talking about a 300 ton 747 not a 130 ton 767
thisisyourwakeup 6 months ago 3
Also, notice he said "knocked over." This is because it is nearly impossible that a natural collapse would proceed through the path of greatest resistance i.e. straight down.
152czar 8 months ago 2
Until they actually try it!!
roquefortfiles 8 months ago
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bralencar 9 months ago
it was Bush...
bralencar 9 months ago
the wtc crumbled bc of the fire that ensued after the collision, it wasnt knocked over by a plane, which is what thronton said
c1elite436 11 months ago
@c1elite436 It wasnt the fire that brought it down. When the plane crashed into the tower, it destroyed multiple support beams on several floors- so suddenly there is all this weight resting on half the support actually needed. Inevitably this weight gave weigh and fell onto the remaining structure which, because of this, also collapsed. Fire had very little, or even nothing to do with it.
fallingwatersnz 11 months ago
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lilatownloverboy 7 months ago
The idiocy demonstrated by most of these comments is astounding.... Charlie Thornton is one of the most well respected structural engineers in the world. The WTC collapsed AFTER the impact to which Dr. Thornton was referring, demonstrating his point.
joeyarborough 1 year ago
I hope for this guys sake, he is died now!
irishchrisc 1 year ago
I know personaly a few structural engineers and achitects from my time at uni.... and they all agree that the towers shouldnt have come down with a plane hit! even with calculating the flash point temp of the fuel, there is just absolutely no way!!! the builidings was brought down via 'other methods'. do some research of your own outside of youtube and youl agree theres more to the event then were told
00jun13 1 year ago 2
he is right the plane wouldnt knock it over but he forgot about fuel
TheAlexholliday 1 year ago
As to the comments posted below:
- Charles Thornton was talking about the initial impact not causing a collapse.
- He is still a practicing structural engineer and expert witness in the field. Thornton-Tomasetti Engineers in one of (if not THE) largest engineering firms in NYC with offices in many other cities.
- It is not a comb over. He has a full head of very healthy hair. I would know, I am his daughter.
thnkurluckystarz 1 year ago
2008 he says the wtc was a piece of shit.
what an honorable gentleman.
s88fifo 1 year ago
And hear what this expert says after 9/11 in an phone interview. You can find it on the user channel "shure911".
The engineering company Thornton-Tomasatti Group was the main engineering contractor in the clean-up efforts at Ground Zero. Hired for helping to destroy the evidence.
MrKoenig1985 1 year ago
jet fule nvr helped the situation but those planses nvr took down the wtc explosives did if thats the case y is the empire state building still standing???
bosser231 1 year ago
Firstt of all, I witnessed that day with my own eyes, I was there...not viewing through a mass media filter, not over and over on the net. The description says: "Charlie Thornton Structural engineer says WTC would not collapse".
At no point is this man speaking about a collapse. He's taken out of context and referring to the likelihood of a plane "knocking over" a building like a domino.Basically weather the impact alone could topple the twins.
Had he been asked about the other dynamics.....
northjeep 2 years ago
you are right. but some people change words around and try to make it look like people claim different things.
conspiracy theorists do not want the truth, they only want their opinions to be the truth.
loosechangeexposed 1 year ago
@loosechangeexposed what a twit you are,and your two cents is represented by what degrees sir
4godaddygo 1 week ago
@4godaddygo the evidence i found is in my videos, my video "how the towers fell" explains what architects and engineers understand but can't admit to because they have an agenda, it explains how the towers were destroyed by the planes and planted explosives were not possible.
i have videos that expose the following people in cover ups and lies, jesse ventura, alex jones, richard gage, loose change, my video "sept 11th the smoking gun" shows how they make it look like what they need.
loosechangeexposed 1 week ago
@loosechangeexposed you should look up David Chandler on youtube
Roonoon2 6 days ago
like the truth movement, this is hardly relevant.
imbok 2 years ago
like a drinking problem, you're in denial
mPUAinfo 2 years ago
imbok,
That's like saying the thumb is not relevant to the hand.
Just thought I'd point out the obvious. :)
shoegal314 2 years ago
Hmmm....
300 tons vs. 13,000 tons
Airplane vs. TOWER
I predict based on these calculations that the entire steel structure will disintegrate into it's own foot print.
Jet Fuel makes this possible.
Seriously, people have to be retarded!
Bi0hazardx 3 years ago 23
John Gross and Shyam Sunder have been looking for you!
JSSTyger 2 years ago
this guy CIA BiOazardx
npf2135 2 years ago
fuel cannot melt or even soften steel + the fuel vaporised. you can even see people waving hands calling for help at the precise floor where the "planes" hit (if ever it was a plane btw) so it wasn't burning hot in there for you wouldn't be able to see people calling for help at those floors where the plane hit
sigurd83 2 years ago 6
@Bi0hazardx "Jet Fuel makes this possible"
Jet fuel burns at 300 C while Steel melts at 1500 C
Tzimnewman3 1 year ago
@Tzimnewman3 wow, grossly errant on both accounts.
prattleon 1 year ago
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@prattleon "wow, grossly errant on both accounts."
They are both facts :-)
Tzimnewman3 1 year ago
@Bi0hazardx
Don't forget to factor in that the plane was traveling at the speed of a magnum bullet.
billshackles 10 months ago
@Bi0hazardx you mean 130 tons V 500,000 tons
thisisyourwakeup 6 months ago
LOTKWSN Your kidding right? Fire from what Jet fuel that is kerosene, so you believe kerosene weaken the steel and office junk burning for under 1 hr popen joints ten floors per second at free fall speed into it's own footprint? All from Kerosene? umm no 1993 the CIA rented the truck, 911 is shady..
Gwenlj 3 years ago 5
stupid people can belive a lot mate. it's even useless to explain them some chimistry cause they'll say it's god's will and science is wrong lol
sigurd83 2 years ago
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Women should not only be denied the right to vote, but they should also not be taught language. It is proven that all women are evil, for they cause erections in holy men.
folklorette 3 years ago
fail
ketancmaheshwari 3 years ago
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Well - the planes didn't knock the WTC over. The WTC survived the collision without fail.
It was the fire that caused the building to fall.
LOTKWSN 3 years ago
It was the government's carefully placed explosives that knocked the towers over.
Panthers0607 3 years ago 26
it was my huge fart that knocked it over
roflroflomgomg 3 years ago
sir your services are needed at the fed
oishiiloops 2 years ago
true
sigurd83 2 years ago
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Women shouldn't be allowed to vote.
m4lvolio 3 years ago
haha lol!
DeanWheldie 3 years ago
d'oh
Hughdapu 3 years ago
Fires were not hot enough to melt steel.
These people could not have stayed alive
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PYSICAL EVIDENCE
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EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS
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Also look up William Rodriguez, April Gallop, Marlene Cruz, and Michael Ruppert
orderofthequest 3 years ago 2
They also said the Titanic wouldn't sink.
firebert123 3 years ago
Fuck that shi cameron sucks you gay fag lol
m4lvolio 3 years ago
@firebert123
They didn't anticipate crashing the titanic into an ice berg like they anticipated what a fully loaded 707 would do to the wtc.
cancanbiker 1 year ago
What does this guy think about the WTC collapses?
ClunkityClunk4Truth 3 years ago
Finally some f****** common sense illustrated!Its f****** ridiculous to think those buildings collapsed on their own from an airplane crashing into them.I can't understand how people don't understand this.
slimjim006 3 years ago
This guy is still alive doing this very job and does not thing it was an inside job.
He says in this video that a plane wont knock a tower over initially...which is true. They fell some time later.
eddyk3 3 years ago
yeah.........right.
elyohcsrev 3 years ago
As I said he is still alive...so do some REAL RESEARCH and give him a ring or email him.
I searched the web to find this guy to discover he was still alive...I did my bit.
eddyk3 3 years ago
also - in response to "youprick's" ridiculous comment, please note that the core of the twin towers consisted of 47, not 1, core columns...did the plane take out all of them? didn't think so. Did the plane take out all of the columns of tower 7, which also collapsed in near free fall speed? of course not, it was not even hit by a plane...do some actually research before making stupid statements please.
gdougles 3 years ago 3
also - bluesmaddy, that is a very ignorant comment. the age of the plane is not the issue. the issue is the kinetic energy carried by the plane on impact.
gdougles 3 years ago
Listen - regardless of whether a plane could take down the building (which it couldn't), the WAY in which the buildings fell is the real key here. In order for the buildings to fall the way they did, all 47 core columns would have had to fail SIMULTANEOUSLY...possible? I'll concede that just about anything is POSSIBLE. Best explanation? absolutely not. The evidence when viewed as a whole points to controlled demolition.
gdougles 3 years ago 2
Maybe not a 1988 plane.
BluesMaddy 3 years ago
dude 747s have been around since waaaay before 1988 n theyre still used it doesnt matter wen the plane was made stop making excuses for a govt that kills its ppl, then bullshits to them, then kills more of them
jeremyhillaryboobphd 3 years ago
the size and year doesent really matter. its not cause they were 757 or 767's. the trade centers were designed like a screen. if u poke a pencil through a window screen, the other cross sections support the damage. the same is true with the mesh structure of the towers. not to mention the #7 wasent even hit by planes
millsfilms 3 years ago 2
there are places where loudmouths whip up the mob and start agitation. clear-headed, solid reasoning is what is needed to see something, other than a conspiracy at every turn.
jamesrobert2 3 years ago
Not only that but this guy's comb-over rocks! ;)
PikaVic 3 years ago
I'm glad somebody else thought that too
MortimerKahn 3 years ago
One fundamental flaw in this thinking. The columns are designed to hold 13000 tons of weight vertically. A plane is 300 tons of weight applied horizontally. Get yourself a soda straw and hold it vertically on the table. Push down on the top of it and compare the amount of pressure it can withstand that way to the amount of pressure it can stand to push at it from the side. This is not rocket science folks.
vixenqueen77 4 years ago 2
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A 300 ton plane would "knock out a column". No fucking kidding. It might knock out the center column. You know, the one that holds the building up.
YouPrick 4 years ago
By the way, I am a civil/structural engineer but I haven't got a decades of experience behind me. Is there any experienced engineers out there who would like to comment on this? A lot of questions would be answered very quickly if some qualified people debated this rather that a load of average joes who like to call each other names. No offense to anybody who isn't an engineer, I just think it should be engineers who decide what happened to the buildings, not people with a strong opinion.
billynasty1 4 years ago 5
I thought he was saying that the INITIAL IMPACT of a plane would be incapable of knocking the tower over? The planes did take out a lot of exterior columns on two sides of each building. If say, 30% of the exterior columns were severed & the loads were then redistributed to other parts of the building like the corners which were then heated up (not melted), would this be enough to cause the top to topple over?
billynasty1 4 years ago
The Titanic is unsinkable.
dLimboStick 4 years ago
"A 300 ton projectile against building designed to withstand 13000 tons..."
...sounds like the official story sustained another mortal wound.
proudfootz 4 years ago 4
Its just disappointing to live in a time where so many people are led like idiots to their slaughter. It will be interesting to see what they do once awakened. Bush Senior said that if people knew what he had done he would be chased down the street and lynched. Well I think its time to start lynching.
Focoist911 4 years ago 4