GOD i wish this movie had a bigger release in the US.If my friend Damon saw this, it would change his mind on what being a skinhead should be.I live in the Arizona, a state that has a population of over 1 million illegal immigrants. I've been trying to explain the difference between being a skinhead and being a racist.So far, he is on a very bad path.Saying things like people are defined by the color of their skin.Or Mexican's are taking our jobs, when the majority of hispanics in Az are legal.
They should show the film in schools. One of the most potent messages ever put on film. Shane meadows makes me want to actually do something with my life
@TheTVLicence then what are you? A racist fuck who takes Nick Griffin up the arse. Are you being the bitch this week or is he. Fuck deporting black people get rid of the fucking BNP job sorted.
No mate I just voted for a democratic party, no need for all that anger!
Shane was at the time sucking Nulabour cock for EU & government funding for further films to push multiculturalism/hate your own county/leftist political dogma.
@Candlish89 i feel you are wasting your time. The army is used to kill regardless of all the other disciplines it holds. YOu should never forget that it's sole purpose is to eliminate the threat to the state even if it is its own people. There's a reason why you don't see many wealthy kids in the army my friend.
mate have you seen the officer class in the army, it's a bunch of bourgeosie pricks like yourself, the way you refer to wealthier people implies a snobbery which i disagree with mate. The fact of the matter is the army gives people jobs gives them better careers and helps people look at the US army in Haiti now
When i refer to wealthier ppl i do not talk of the upper middle classes friend. I am refering extremely rich people who have much more say in what goes on then any of us. The ones who have the largest portions of capital in our system and i regret to inform you that the last thing on their bucket list is to fight for their country. Btw i am Haitian so please do not try to convince me that the US army is doing this without any lucrative gain in mind considering the past it had with the country.
Also i should thank you. next time my mom receives yet another notice from our energy provider I'll remind myself that we are wealthy bourgeois snobs with lots of money!! :D My mom works hard and raised us by herself, but she also taught me to see threw a lot of things including the army.
all i'm saying is you're making massive generalisations and you can no nothing about the whole state of it without knowing the indivduals. You make a state ment like that and you can never have a completley valid view point.
i studied both these topics and if u put aside the freud ist bullshit they are essentially the same thing...study of people. Obviously in very different ways, psychology is the study of the individuals mind and sociology is more about general society yet in correlation you can understand why the army has use from a functionalist perspective.
shane meadows is the best director to be working in the film industry at the minute "dead mans shoes" is a fucking peice of art. yankee sell out danny boyle and his "tigger" oscar acceptance dance can clear ta fuck he hasnt made a good film since"28 days later" god bless ya shane. i think shane meadows should do trainspotting 2 aka porno because god knows what boyles ego would make
Why you laying into Danny Boyle? I prefer Meadows movies over his but Boyle seems like a nice guy and he's got a lot of talent. And having a go at the "tigger acceptance dance" is pretty harsh, that was for his kids, whats it got to do with you or me? and before you say im kissing Boyles ass (cos im not, Meadows is a better film-maker, superb in fact) id criticise you for attacking Michael Bay if HE did a "tigger acceptance dance" for his kids, and i hate that guy and all his films...
Lol my dad and all his mates are in this is england the part where there all in that meeting. My dads the bouncer on the door in the denim waistcoat. hehe, sat with shane at the local the other day, he was telling us about his little one. I know all his family and there the nicest people ive ever met, well done shane x
Shane is a friend of mine. I am 11 and my name is Georgia, I have just finished recording 4 new TV adverts with him, he is GREAT! It publishes on September 12th, I am doing my home work in a school uniform :) Hehehehe, Shane is FAB X Luv yuh shanie x
oh come LA and NY skins don't do shit allot of london skins are in football firms, chubby chris even was one of the leaders of the chelsea headhunters
That's the only reason any european moves to thailand, the sex trade. He probably is a racist like everybody believed he just doesn't mind exploiting poor asian women, Rape them like they raped our land, I guess. The guy is just a thug, I read his book.
Skinhead, you're not one of those weekend soldiers are you? I was in the army for six years and it doesn't teach you shit about the world. Catch a flight to Britain and see what it's really like over here. Mind you, the culture might shock you...
Not really.I had mates from WestBury Park,Bristol.I guess you could call them fences sitters because they liked two tone as well as RAC.Indecent Exposure came from there.They reformed and contacted me on MYspace.
IndEx were nazis,they deny it now but they were on the no surrender comps, signed to rock-O-rama and opened for skrewdriver and sudden impact and Squadron all the time.
The lyrics for england my england were originally "england my england we are white forever, england my england we must stick to gether, englend my england I won't let my country die"
They were a kickass band I like them more since they hate invaders, strong people from the british isles always fight invaders, like boudicca
At last!! A film about the white working class in the Uk that isn't viewed through middle class eyes. Despite the NF and BNP the white working class in this country have integrated more with non-whites than any of these earnest middle class commentators who claim to grasp multiculturalism and eat out in ethnic restaurants but would have babies if a Pakistani family moved in next door. Long may Shane Meadows reign!!
Yeah it should have had some Oi.This was to take place in 1983 right? Two tone was over so Oi was prominent.4skins,Last resort,Combat 84,the bussiness,Skrewdriver.That was the time of Oi.I was 16 at the time.
we,white working class people of Europe have culture as well mr presenter and the total right to preserved in our own Land, apart from that fantastic film, a bit of OI COULD BE PERFECT
The owners of the major media may be rich capitalist but the people who manage it for them are hippy Reds.What do college pukes know about working class?At least in America working class have the opportunity to go to school.Middle class bleeding heart commie liberals don't know shit about working class people so we don't need you ..see?
Hold on skinhead, the working class in the uk have an opportunity to go to school which is largely down to a fairly good socialist born welfare system; like our NHS.
We don't need no hippy welfare system here.If you graduate high school and get good scores on the SAT exame you can get a scolarship or you can qualifie for a student loan.If that's not the choice you can earn a GI bill if you serve in the military.Only criminals in america ask for hand outs and the usually steal it anyways.
Skinhead you cannot pass judgement on a British political system you know nothing about and have never experienced. Also, you are in no position to pass comment on the BRITISH skinhead movement. You're just another insular Yank who has never experienced the world and gets his info from a right wing media.
Do not be a plebeian.I was in the Army and I've been out into the world,see?And you can't judge me because I'm an American.Most American Media is Hollywood or New York left wing.The reality of the streets of LA is right wing.Dog eat dog,see?And LA and New York skinhead culture is different because of demographics.Too much is written about the original London culture.We may imitate the cloths but the life is far more harsh.
skinheads were not just based in london, but in every major town and city in the UK. What regiment were you in? I was based in Germany and Cyprus for the South Staffs regiment and did two tours in northern ireland.
I wish I was in zz top, then I would have a kick ass car and could have a squad of hot chicks who run around with me that can turn ugly nerds into hot chicks. LOL Honestly, do you think you are insulting?? Besides it's a well known fact most people in the US armed forces are only there because either they fuck up in high school, or are too poor to do anything else.
That's a lie. You can't get into the US military unless you are a High school graduate or higher.There are also evaluation test to take to place you in an MOS.I was a medic,see? Do you think they let anybody operate an Abrams Tank or fly a Black Hawk?
Oh come on most people are high school grads you need to be a high school grad to get a job in most shops. By fuck up in high school I mean get a bunch of Ds and Cs and which makes it so someone doesn't get accepted doing anything else.
leave it be manat the end of the day the Army is incrdibley broad in terms of jobs, you vcan train to be an elcetrician in the engineers and learn your leadership skills through becoming an NCO. your basing your knowledge on stereotypes mate
if you're making a comment on my text then are you not missing the content, its not the presentation its the message. If you mean that they genuinley just don't your wrong again.
The army actually teaches those that would not necessrily be able to read or right these skills as a lack of communication can get people killed. I understand why you may disliek the army as i believe myself that there should be no violence in this world, however its in human nature to be violent so the need for an army for defence and in some cases offence is needed.
And I told him back,see? I know plenty about skins.I became one at fourteen.Our experiences in LA are much different than londons that's for sure.But We don't have a class system here although the rich would think otherwise. And you are a fuckin biker.Low level scum.
Shane Meadows is the best English film director. His films make a mockery of the slop served up by Hollywood.
mozmal 4 weeks ago
Mark Kuntmode lol.
kcirtapeimaj 1 month ago
This vid sums up why I take my precedents from art and not politics
Oscar301 1 month ago 3
Thanks for this interview, I really like TIE, bith the movie and the TV serie
jruizdemena 4 months ago
i've managed to put this interview in my dissertation at uni - bang
Char1ieBr0wn71 9 months ago
This is a very good video, It is quite useful for my AS Film Studies :)
starsmileygirl34 1 year ago
hey shane, i saw you today :) he lives on my road :)
mizzboomting12 1 year ago
This man deserves oscars for his films!!
976doddy 1 year ago
Shane is one of the best film directors
He don't sugar coat his films and they are soo realistic espicially dead mans shoes and this is England both powerful and scould be award winners :-)
IRISESeyesOF289 1 year ago
"I got picked on 3 times today all because of my trousers!" omg I could just eat him he is so freakin cute! I LOVED THIS FILM!!!
Kiml3erley 1 year ago
GOD i wish this movie had a bigger release in the US.If my friend Damon saw this, it would change his mind on what being a skinhead should be.I live in the Arizona, a state that has a population of over 1 million illegal immigrants. I've been trying to explain the difference between being a skinhead and being a racist.So far, he is on a very bad path.Saying things like people are defined by the color of their skin.Or Mexican's are taking our jobs, when the majority of hispanics in Az are legal.
almostgoodfilms 1 year ago 3
MY ABSOLUTE FAVOURITE FILM OF ALL TIME. Shane and Tomo are legends
Jackass1497 1 year ago
They should show the film in schools. One of the most potent messages ever put on film. Shane meadows makes me want to actually do something with my life
simonpenum 1 year ago 2
shane is a legend
skint0n0minted 1 year ago
fair call
richardscunningham 1 year ago
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Bullshit, Shane is a Liberal elite cock sucking media whore!
Vote BNP!
TheTVLicence 1 year ago
@TheTVLicence then what are you? A racist fuck who takes Nick Griffin up the arse. Are you being the bitch this week or is he. Fuck deporting black people get rid of the fucking BNP job sorted.
richardscunningham 1 year ago
@richardscunningham
No mate I just voted for a democratic party, no need for all that anger!
Shane was at the time sucking Nulabour cock for EU & government funding for further films to push multiculturalism/hate your own county/leftist political dogma.
TheTVLicence 1 year ago
@TheTVLicence You idiot.
EvilRadiatedMonkey 1 year ago
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The truth hurts eh!
TheTVLicence 1 year ago
"'Ave a 'Ug" bless Steven Graham lol
Candlish89 2 years ago
yeh dude, fuckin BRILLIANT performance
thewererabbit 2 years ago
@Candlish89 i feel you are wasting your time. The army is used to kill regardless of all the other disciplines it holds. YOu should never forget that it's sole purpose is to eliminate the threat to the state even if it is its own people. There's a reason why you don't see many wealthy kids in the army my friend.
xxxtobyx3 1 year ago
mate have you seen the officer class in the army, it's a bunch of bourgeosie pricks like yourself, the way you refer to wealthier people implies a snobbery which i disagree with mate. The fact of the matter is the army gives people jobs gives them better careers and helps people look at the US army in Haiti now
Candlish89 1 year ago
When i refer to wealthier ppl i do not talk of the upper middle classes friend. I am refering extremely rich people who have much more say in what goes on then any of us. The ones who have the largest portions of capital in our system and i regret to inform you that the last thing on their bucket list is to fight for their country. Btw i am Haitian so please do not try to convince me that the US army is doing this without any lucrative gain in mind considering the past it had with the country.
xxxtobyx3 1 year ago
Also i should thank you. next time my mom receives yet another notice from our energy provider I'll remind myself that we are wealthy bourgeois snobs with lots of money!! :D My mom works hard and raised us by herself, but she also taught me to see threw a lot of things including the army.
xxxtobyx3 1 year ago
all i'm saying is you're making massive generalisations and you can no nothing about the whole state of it without knowing the indivduals. You make a state ment like that and you can never have a completley valid view point.
Candlish89 1 year ago
@Candlish89 A social phenomenon is not an individual phenomenon. Never mix the two. Examine the bigger picture.
xxxtobyx3 1 year ago
@xxxtobyx3 social phenomenons are based on people people are individuals, its the nuts and bolts that make society noth the general machine.
Candlish89 1 year ago
no they are not interpreted the same way. You are essentially saying that psychology and sociology are the same.
xxxtobyx3 1 year ago
i studied both these topics and if u put aside the freud ist bullshit they are essentially the same thing...study of people. Obviously in very different ways, psychology is the study of the individuals mind and sociology is more about general society yet in correlation you can understand why the army has use from a functionalist perspective.
Candlish89 1 year ago
shane meadows is the best director to be working in the film industry at the minute "dead mans shoes" is a fucking peice of art. yankee sell out danny boyle and his "tigger" oscar acceptance dance can clear ta fuck he hasnt made a good film since"28 days later" god bless ya shane. i think shane meadows should do trainspotting 2 aka porno because god knows what boyles ego would make
no1emissary 2 years ago
Why you laying into Danny Boyle? I prefer Meadows movies over his but Boyle seems like a nice guy and he's got a lot of talent. And having a go at the "tigger acceptance dance" is pretty harsh, that was for his kids, whats it got to do with you or me? and before you say im kissing Boyles ass (cos im not, Meadows is a better film-maker, superb in fact) id criticise you for attacking Michael Bay if HE did a "tigger acceptance dance" for his kids, and i hate that guy and all his films...
TobeUK 2 years ago
you jus put him to the floor lol
Candlish89 1 year ago
Lol my dad and all his mates are in this is england the part where there all in that meeting. My dads the bouncer on the door in the denim waistcoat. hehe, sat with shane at the local the other day, he was telling us about his little one. I know all his family and there the nicest people ive ever met, well done shane x
SydSqueek 3 years ago
haha thats well good
grahamgrahamson 3 years ago
i love his films i am an aspiring actor and would love to be in a film of his,paddy consididne is my inspiration.
jakedanx 2 years ago
can't believe youve been given 2 'thumbs down' for that comment lol, paddy considine is awesome :)
TobeUK 2 years ago
I'm a big Shane Meadows fan - A Room For Romeo Brass is a classic! This Is England has the best acting I have ever seen in my life.
SpiderwomanZZ 3 years ago
"Hello, i'm Harvey. I'm here to give you jip"
Lol, rofl haha
CloudStrifeOfficial 3 years ago 10
clearly lauren lavergne hasnt seen a shane film "should be good" instead of will be good
cheekyegg 3 years ago 3
I think Meadows is fuckin dynamite. What a guy
mediaheroic 3 years ago 4
Shane is a friend of mine. I am 11 and my name is Georgia, I have just finished recording 4 new TV adverts with him, he is GREAT! It publishes on September 12th, I am doing my home work in a school uniform :) Hehehehe, Shane is FAB X Luv yuh shanie x
xxxxGeorgiahxxxx 3 years ago 3
fuck romper stomper, fuck american history x, fuck the believer, and all that shit. this is england is where its at. stay rude stay rebel
milky0987 3 years ago 15
@milky0987 romper stomper and believer are good, american history x fucking sucks! soap opera bullshit!
dontleademsomuch 1 year ago
@milky0987 Got to disagre there mate. This is england class but so is american history x and stomper
penygraiglad1980 2 months ago
Cant wait to see Somers Town soon
comedycentral79 3 years ago
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racist cunt
fenderboy19 3 years ago
how is that racist. It sounds quite the opposite to me.
Jdevoy1 3 years ago 3
Do you know what multicultural means fender....lol
rael1999 3 years ago
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jagoja12345 3 years ago
This Is England is really good but it seems to end a bit abruptly. Dead Mans shoes is one of the best films ever made
jo3ash3 3 years ago 3
In my opinion This is England is up there with with the likes of Quadrophenia. You're reallt missing out if you've not yet seen it..!
jeftravis 4 years ago 3
shane we love you! XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
miss1234 4 years ago
Louie Louie - by Toots and the Maytals
steeliusmaximus 4 years ago
does any1 know wha tha sung is called when it fades in at 1min 26secs
laurabaggie 4 years ago
skinheads skinheads lookin for a fight
siggywiggy16 4 years ago
'My dont talk shit' line is for skinhead5's coimment about LA and NYC skinheads being tougher dan original london skinheads
Andypitcin303 4 years ago
It's true.The life is harsher.Lots of bullets and guns.
skinhead5 4 years ago
oh come LA and NY skins don't do shit allot of london skins are in football firms, chubby chris even was one of the leaders of the chelsea headhunters
WeWontGiveIn 4 years ago
Chubby chris lives in Thailand.Carousing with asian girls.
skinhead5 4 years ago
That's the only reason any european moves to thailand, the sex trade. He probably is a racist like everybody believed he just doesn't mind exploiting poor asian women, Rape them like they raped our land, I guess. The guy is just a thug, I read his book.
WeWontGiveIn 4 years ago
not sure what all this beef is about... just wanted to say cheers for posting this clip. H :)
ilovetrogland 4 years ago
Thanks for the thanks! As for the beef... well I just let them get on with it... keeps them off the streets.
BlueCrayon77 4 years ago
Skinhead, you're not one of those weekend soldiers are you? I was in the army for six years and it doesn't teach you shit about the world. Catch a flight to Britain and see what it's really like over here. Mind you, the culture might shock you...
rededucator 4 years ago
Not really.I had mates from WestBury Park,Bristol.I guess you could call them fences sitters because they liked two tone as well as RAC.Indecent Exposure came from there.They reformed and contacted me on MYspace.
skinhead5 4 years ago
IndEx were nazis,they deny it now but they were on the no surrender comps, signed to rock-O-rama and opened for skrewdriver and sudden impact and Squadron all the time.
WeWontGiveIn 4 years ago
Duh.I know that.They would play secret RAC gigs back in the day "When we were young".
skinhead5 4 years ago
The lyrics for england my england were originally "england my england we are white forever, england my england we must stick to gether, englend my england I won't let my country die"
They were a kickass band I like them more since they hate invaders, strong people from the british isles always fight invaders, like boudicca
WeWontGiveIn 4 years ago
Well they are back and they don't go for that nazi shit because they grew up and saw what rubbish it is. Yeah see?
skinhead5 4 years ago
Not really they just deny it because they want to get gigs.
WeWontGiveIn 4 years ago
hey if goering said oh I'm not racist anymore would you believe him too? Probably not.
WeWontGiveIn 4 years ago
love shane.
fantismo 4 years ago
PHEW! Thanks for posting. I had set my video to record the late night repeat but the pissin golf over ran so it recorded that instead!
Chromebaby 4 years ago
its good he explaines the diffrence of right and left wing skins and how trad skins were born :]
xJADISx 4 years ago
At last!! A film about the white working class in the Uk that isn't viewed through middle class eyes. Despite the NF and BNP the white working class in this country have integrated more with non-whites than any of these earnest middle class commentators who claim to grasp multiculturalism and eat out in ethnic restaurants but would have babies if a Pakistani family moved in next door. Long may Shane Meadows reign!!
rededucator 4 years ago
Yeah it should have had some Oi.This was to take place in 1983 right? Two tone was over so Oi was prominent.4skins,Last resort,Combat 84,the bussiness,Skrewdriver.That was the time of Oi.I was 16 at the time.
skinhead5 4 years ago
we,white working class people of Europe have culture as well mr presenter and the total right to preserved in our own Land, apart from that fantastic film, a bit of OI COULD BE PERFECT
timewatch 4 years ago
Shane Meadows is on of the best young directors in the world
PADDYLINTHORPE 4 years ago
They are suppost to show this film in American art houses in May but knowing the communist media it will probably get shut down.
skinhead5 4 years ago
Do you really think the communists run the media?? Is Rupert Murdoch a communist??
rededucator 4 years ago
The owners of the major media may be rich capitalist but the people who manage it for them are hippy Reds.What do college pukes know about working class?At least in America working class have the opportunity to go to school.Middle class bleeding heart commie liberals don't know shit about working class people so we don't need you ..see?
skinhead5 4 years ago
Hold on skinhead, the working class in the uk have an opportunity to go to school which is largely down to a fairly good socialist born welfare system; like our NHS.
rededucator 4 years ago
We don't need no hippy welfare system here.If you graduate high school and get good scores on the SAT exame you can get a scolarship or you can qualifie for a student loan.If that's not the choice you can earn a GI bill if you serve in the military.Only criminals in america ask for hand outs and the usually steal it anyways.
skinhead5 4 years ago
Skinhead you cannot pass judgement on a British political system you know nothing about and have never experienced. Also, you are in no position to pass comment on the BRITISH skinhead movement. You're just another insular Yank who has never experienced the world and gets his info from a right wing media.
rededucator 4 years ago
Do not be a plebeian.I was in the Army and I've been out into the world,see?And you can't judge me because I'm an American.Most American Media is Hollywood or New York left wing.The reality of the streets of LA is right wing.Dog eat dog,see?And LA and New York skinhead culture is different because of demographics.Too much is written about the original London culture.We may imitate the cloths but the life is far more harsh.
skinhead5 4 years ago
skinheads were not just based in london, but in every major town and city in the UK. What regiment were you in? I was based in Germany and Cyprus for the South Staffs regiment and did two tours in northern ireland.
rededucator 4 years ago
U.S.Army 9th ID.(Thats infantry division to you).
skinhead5 4 years ago
Probably in the army because you were too talentless to do anything else
WeWontGiveIn 4 years ago
Nobody in the Army is talentless.We handle very expensive and complicated equiptment.Why are you so worried about it fool?You are one of ZZtop.
skinhead5 4 years ago
I wish I was in zz top, then I would have a kick ass car and could have a squad of hot chicks who run around with me that can turn ugly nerds into hot chicks. LOL Honestly, do you think you are insulting?? Besides it's a well known fact most people in the US armed forces are only there because either they fuck up in high school, or are too poor to do anything else.
WeWontGiveIn 4 years ago 2
That's a lie. You can't get into the US military unless you are a High school graduate or higher.There are also evaluation test to take to place you in an MOS.I was a medic,see? Do you think they let anybody operate an Abrams Tank or fly a Black Hawk?
You are reaching ,see? Reaching.
skinhead5 4 years ago
Oh come on most people are high school grads you need to be a high school grad to get a job in most shops. By fuck up in high school I mean get a bunch of Ds and Cs and which makes it so someone doesn't get accepted doing anything else.
WeWontGiveIn 4 years ago
leave it be manat the end of the day the Army is incrdibley broad in terms of jobs, you vcan train to be an elcetrician in the engineers and learn your leadership skills through becoming an NCO. your basing your knowledge on stereotypes mate
Candlish89 2 years ago
I see they don't teach literacy skills in the army.
hippotoast 2 years ago
if you're making a comment on my text then are you not missing the content, its not the presentation its the message. If you mean that they genuinley just don't your wrong again.
Candlish89 2 years ago
The army actually teaches those that would not necessrily be able to read or right these skills as a lack of communication can get people killed. I understand why you may disliek the army as i believe myself that there should be no violence in this world, however its in human nature to be violent so the need for an army for defence and in some cases offence is needed.
Candlish89 2 years ago
Amen mate, im british and i reckon the US army have recieved alot of undue insult, without you guys the equipment we use wouldn't do the job (Y)
Candlish89 2 years ago
I think your actually right. When I went to England, I was surprised at how many skinheads I saw and they weren't boneheads either. IT made me happy
FionMacCumhail 4 years ago
Dont talk shit
Andypitcin303 4 years ago
thank you. finally somebody tells this cunt off
WeWontGiveIn 4 years ago
Who told what off? Certainly not you you wank.
skinhead5 4 years ago
Reeducator told you off you cunt you know know nothing of skinheads
WeWontGiveIn 4 years ago
And I told him back,see? I know plenty about skins.I became one at fourteen.Our experiences in LA are much different than londons that's for sure.But We don't have a class system here although the rich would think otherwise. And you are a fuckin biker.Low level scum.
skinhead5 4 years ago
I chose my lifestyle and I get more action in a month than you have in your life.
1%er for life & skinhead for life
WeWontGiveIn 4 years ago
Ok Harley.I take it you like to have the last word.Sorry,not happening see? Funny how your yammerings are never about this clip above.
skinhead5 4 years ago
Well you keep on replying so I guess I'm leading you astray.
WeWontGiveIn 4 years ago
How thin is Kermode's head at the top? It goes into a point!
Cheers for posting this, nearly had to 'off myself' for missing it on TV
gstring2010 4 years ago
Top work. Great British filmmaker; an antidote to Hollywood dross.
donning 4 years ago
cheers dave
hyde2134567 4 years ago