The God Helmet

[AwakenedAscension3]

This....Robert miles music rocks & its called children.. this was big back in its days now clubers ravers all over the world have remixed this tune so many times im not surprised :) it's still big!

[fsmtdaler]

"In the search for truth man must weigh religious questions in the balance of science and reason. God has given us rational minds for this purpose, to penetrate all things, to find truth. If one renounces reason, what remains? The sacred text? How can we understand God's commands and to what use can we put them without the balance of reason? Let us ever weigh our deeds in the scales of the divine teaching." Abdul Baha (Bahai Faith)

[HonestMan395]

@fsmtdaler As for weighing religious questions in the balance of science and religion.

The balance is overwhelmingly on the side of science which has a preponderance of verifiable evidence which is continually being tested. Religion, on the other hand, only has it's ancient texts, which for the most part, have no corroborating evidence at all, must never be questioned, and have to be interpreted, using the most convoluted mental gymnastics, for them to make any sense at all.

[fsmtdaler]

Truth does not conflict with truth. Therefore, what we can perceive within the scientific realm and is accepted as true requires that what we call religious truth also be reasonable, rational.

All rational souls reject nonsense, which creates a conflict with irrational religious dogma. However, sensible religion is not in conflict with reason.

A new model of understanding religion appears within the writings of the Baha'i Faith, which calls for independent investigation of truth.

[HonestMan395]

@fsmtdaler So, Basically what you are saying is what every religious person says.

"Yes, all other religions are rubbish and irrational, but mine is different and right."

All religions are rubbish and irrational, but there are no exceptions.

[fsmtdaler]

@HonestMan395 The opposite, actually. There is within us historically, and culturally, a "worship gene", if you want to call it that, which is expressed in various modes. Their interrelatedness is, upon study, quite apparent. ie, the golden rule. That human oppressors have used religion as a vehicle to oppress and control others has poisoned the well against those who believe in the Great Spirit, Allah, or Jehovah, etc. But prejudice works both ways, as opposite pushes develop.

[HonestMan395]

@fsmtdaler I admit that humans are pre programmed with a propensity for a belief in god, but this is just the extension of a evolutionary survival trait that predisposes us to look for order and reason in our world and when we don't find it, the brain invents a reason. This is how all religions have started and grown. Dressing it up with convoluted writings and rituals does not make it true. It is a reason for belief in, but not proof of, god.

There is no proof for any god, just blind faith.

[fsmtdaler]

@HonestMan395 Dear Sir, while I do appreciate honest skepticism, and as a former philosopher/athiest/antiestabl­ishment (especially religion!) person, coming from a Sioux Indian reservation in S Dakota, seeing racism, hypocrisy, etc, I, too, was fed up with religion. the Baha'i Faith, for me, brought a perspective with both rational and scientific reasonings, to the whole matter, objective and subjective. A primary tenant is independent investigation of truth, and not blind imitation.

[HonestMan395]

@fsmtdaler As you requested, I have looked at the Baha'i website and have to admit as religions go, your moral aims, although by no means original, and by no means limited to religion, (Many secular civilisatians have had similar moral aims throughout history) are among the least threatening of the religions.

This still does not provide evidence for a god, merely a reason for a belief in one. You say that the religion was only started in 1844, would I be right in assuming that the Báb is older?

[fsmtdaler]

@HonestMan395 The Bab, born in 1819, and Baha'u'llah, born in 1817, were contemporaries, as were John the Baptist and Jesus. Similarly, the Bab was the Herald of Baha'u'llah. The Baha'i calendar was initiated by the Bab in 1844. He was killed in 1850 by 750 soldiers, but foretold the appearance of "Him Whom God shall make manifest", referring to the latter. As for proofs, there are several varieties, the most stunning for me being the time and place prophecies from several sources...

[HonestMan395]

@fsmtdaler 1. Thankyou for that timeline information. however, it still does not provide evidence for any god. Many religions have been born on the visions of supposedly "enlightened" individuals and if the starting point of the believers is that they are searching for something, therefore they already have a pre-disposition for a belief, this, while being a valid reason for belief, is still not evidence for a god.

Evidence is independantly corroborrated and peer reviewed.Cont'd.

[fsmtdaler]

@HonestMan395 My friend, as to "peer review", are peers somehow disqualified when then share what they have seen through newer telescopes? As there is so much in the "deep field" I am referring to, I cannot possibly recount it here, on this little chalkboard sketchpad. And I know you want a simple answer which I don't know how to provide in this space. All I can do is point to it, and as you do not know me, I have no credibility for you to go further. So it is up to you.

[fsmtdaler]

@HonestMan395 (cont) My scientific mindset could not conceive of how future occurrences such as this could be, such as Daniels 2300 days (years) minus 457 BC + 1 yr (no year zero) = 1844 intersected with Islamic 1260 AH (= 1844 AD), as well as Zorastrian and others. plus Jeremiah's "The Lord shall set His throne in Elam", which is SW Iran today. The Adventists had the year right, but overlooked the place. There is far too much to be entered here, and it is not superficial info...

[HonestMan395]

@fsmtdaler 2. Even your prophesies are not proof. Prophesies that only follow on from already known ones are not prophesies at all unless they are detailed and precise. If a prophesy has to be interpreted (2300 days meaning years) and calculated, by adding and subtracting numbers to fit, it is merely a wishful interpretation.

If a prophesy predicted a specific thing happening at a specific time on a specific day in a specific place, I would take notice. Cont'd.

[fsmtdaler]

@HonestMan395 Baha'i belief is that there is One God Who created the universe, that mankind is one, and that religion is one unfolding process of progressive revelation given to humanity in stages as children in the same school are taught over time as their capacity increases. So whether our language and culture hand us the name of Allah, Wakan Tanka, Jehovah, etc, the same One is intended. Science observes the measurable, but does not detect its source, which is the unseen, or the purpose

[HonestMan395]

@fsmtdaler 3. Science does measure the observable, continually seeking answers as each discovery leads to a further question. In contrast, religion assumes if we do not know the answer to something then it must be caused by god. This viewpoint prevails even when science discovers the true causes of events that were previously thought to be from god. It does not seem to occur to the religious mind that there may be another logical reason yet to be found. This is the lesson of History. cont'd.

[fsmtdaler]

@HonestMan395 Also for me, proofs are the fragrance, so to speak, of the Words of these Prophets, which seem to resonate differently. Still, the purely objective, or mathematical perspective provides evidence for that side of the brain, which should not be cast out the window. I could refer you to seek out and read "Some Answered Questions", by Abdul Baha, son of Baha'u'llah, or "Thief in the Night", by William Sears. These go into such proofs. Independent investigation of truth is needed

[HonestMan395]

@fsmtdaler 4. The human Brain is programmed to find order and when it cannot, it invents order to explain the world.

I assume you have watched this video. " the god helmet." It is actually a segment from a longer BBC video which goes into much greater detail. You might want to take a look at it in full.

"Horizon - God On The Brain (full version)"

As for your references (Abdul Baha, And William Sears.) Again, not proof.

These people are Baha'i devotees, therefore biased and not independent.

[fsmtdaler]

@HonestMan395 Well, you know that tidbit conversations of the short space provided does not allow for much of a dialogue. I do appreciate where you are coming from, and shared the same perspective some years ago. However, I chose to look through the telescope to at least look through the telescope of Galileo before condemning him to damnation. What I mean by this is, in essence, the same in reverse.

" The human Brain is programmed to find order" by Whom? Hence, a Programmer...

[fsmtdaler]

@HonestMan395 2 Now I also reject the "Intelligent Design" idea purported by those with a pre-configured agenda, but would be more open to it if they were to allow that God = Allah = The Great Spirit, etc... Yes, I have watched the God Helmet, and it is very interesting. When I close my eyes in the dark and press my fingers on my eyeballs, I see light. Does that mean there is no sun? Religion is a deep subject, and the ancient wells have been poisoned. A new well has appeared...

[fsmtdaler]

@HonestMan395 3 So for you, as for me and others, that old water was so tainted with priest's pollution and rancid from rabbi's rotgut and mullah's muck that most of us just walked away. Therefore, to even contemplate what is referred to by the term "religion" makes many of us shudder, and for good reason. Religion has to encompass reason to be valid. We rejected the God that you have to wind up on Sundays, (Jethro Tull), for Carl Sagan's Cosmos, which made more sense than blind hypocrisy.

[fsmtdaler]

@HonestMan395 4 Likewise, the term "God" has lost its flavor because of all the extremely negative association by unintelligent designer religion purveyors. On the reservation, the Great Spirit seemed more user friendly, and time spent with the Lakota in sweat lodges provided me with certain "proofs", if you will, as well as study and association with eastern approaches, etc, until even Christianity began to make sense again. But thats personal experience, insufficient for others.

[fsmtdaler]

@HonestMan395 Thank you for that film: Horizon -God on the brain 5 of 5 is especially good, and neutral of bias. I think part of what happens to people is that the security of "the herd" compels some (most?) of us to jump on the bandwagon, whether its being driven by a guru or a geek. We need to step outside ourselves to know who we are, and why we are. Then ask the question: Is it possible that the universe, including me, is purposeful, and sacred? Can It, the Source, speak? If so, how

[fsmtdaler]

@HonestMan395 Also, we all are governed, initially as children in particular, by what is termed "gross generalization", without which we can't function. This requires us to categorize simplistically things as black and white, up or down, right or wrong, good or bad. As we mature, we can, however, develop ever more sophisticated world views, and "reviews", of historical evidence, cultural traits, customs, and beliefs, in a wider and more objective context, gaining objectivity and appreciation

[fsmtdaler]

@HonestMan395 "Know thou assuredly that the essence of all the Prophets of God is one and the same. Their unity is absolute. God, the Creator, saith: There is no distinction whatsoever among the Bearers of My Message. They all have but one purpose... Every true Prophet hath regarded His Message as fundamentally the same as the Revelation of every other Prophet gone before Him."

"This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future." from Baha'u'llah

[HonestMan395]

@fsmtdaler You can quote from your ancient bronze age manuscripts as much as you want, but without independant corroboration, they have no validity in truth any more than works of great literature like Shakespeare or Dickens are literary masterpieces.

Most religious text were written by ignorant peasants with a world knowledge less than a modern 10 yr old child.

Would you build your life on the instructions of a 10 yr old?

[fsmtdaler]

@HonestMan395 Actually, the Baha'i Faith originated in 1844 in Persia and the sacred writings are preserved. The validity is historic. The basis is sound. But even as those who refused to look through Galileo's telescope to see what he was seeing, the same principal applies. Visit Bahai dot org, if you choose, but don't conveniently throw the baby out with the bathwater without objective, unbiased investigation. People are still being imprisoned and killed in Iran for this.

[fsmtdaler]

"The most burning fire is to question the signs of God, to dispute idly with that which He hath revealed, to deny Him and carry one's self proudly before Him." Baha'u'llah

[shape2099]

That's sick where can i get one??

[deviantcreep]

@shape2099

Youtube won't let me me post a link in the comments but you can pm for the link or I can tell you how to make one.

[eotto2001]

the technopop music really sucks.

[stargazerly20]

@eotto2001

Not really my fault. There was only so much music to choose from from the program given to me by my professor. This was literally homework. I really have no interest in this subject whatsoever.

[penbus492]

@stargazerly20 i liked it music and all perfect.

[jawbraeka]

Does this come with the Repent Sinners App or is that in the next firmware update???

[IETCHX]

I have invented the Devil Helmet. It's essentially just a big vice that l tighten real hard on your melon, and dance around you in my red long underwear......Spooky!!!

[doGoNsIylbaborPerehT]

Instead of Robert Miles you should of course have used music from Jarre's "Magnetic Fields" album. ;-)

[1tabligh]

Some people regard matter as independent and imagine that it has itself gained this freedom and elaborated the laws that rule over it.

But how can they believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?

Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!

[cheeba1313]

where can i get one?

[kdavs823]

Interesting. Now if only someone was able to create a helmet that removed a person's taste for godawful techno music

[IETCHX]

@kdavs823 I am working on that right now!

[Hizokua]

@kdavs823 Or One that teaches Humans to Adjust and learn to be nice to Mutated And Obese Children like yourself :D

[Kalahridudex]

temporal lobe= gods antenna.

[LizzyAston]

my dick = your lollipop

[IETCHX]

@LizzyAston your statement=my tickled funnybone

[c23am]

Stupid idiotic materialist scientists and their stupid, completely unintelligible materialistic philosophy that has been obsolete for at least 60 years of quantum discovery. Dr Persinger wouldn't last 10 minutes in an introductory philosophy class without feeling like an irrational fool with a vested interest in implausible theories of mind, such that the brain creates consciousness. The brain filters out the greater consciousness, that is why the magnetic stimulation alters it, we see more.

[LizzyAston]

so ur saying, if i put a strong magnet on my head i start to see psychedelic colours?

[c23am]

It's not that simple, & psychedelic phenomena isn't just about colours anyway, it's about expanded consciousness (reception of a greater amount of information, as well as a greater capacity to think, imagine, and transcend the psychological construct called the the 'ego'). The strong magnet may have a similar effect to an 'illegal' 'drug', but we all must come to terms with the fact that the brain is a filter that filters out higher consciousness (divinity), because it is still very primitive.

[Spetsop]

@LizzyAston

It doesn't have to a be a strong magnetic field, strength of the field is of little importance compared to the frequency and where it is applied to. Incidentally, check out Tectonic strain theory by Dr. P, pretty interesting. Information is stored in the frequency of the field, the higher the frequency, the more info can be stored. The brain generates EM field, and if you intefere with it with another precise EM, you can potentially change the activity of the neurons.

[c23am]

This is a self-evident truth, so u might not understand or 'believe' it (I wouldn't want u to believe anything anyway, since 'belief' is the death of intelligence) now, but if you live long enough it will eventually be common understanding since everyone will be able to have ego-transcending experiences of higher consciousness which will also allow them to understand what the world really is since all the wisdom exists in our collective higher mind. The truth will set you free.

[LizzyAston]

so ur saying that when someone takes something like LSD, the drug takes down the filters of the brain? (or something like that)

i kind of agree there

[c23am]

Yeah exactly, only there are stages of the experience to go thru based on the dose and ones mind set, as well as the physical setting, all of these are of critical importance to the experience one has. The reason why people freak out (get anxious or have a panic attack) is because they cannot handle seeing themselves as they really are, without ego protecting them from truth, also at higher doses people think they are dying cos their ego dissolves, but the mind lives on in higher dimensions.

[buybusiness]

@c23am JESUS CHRIST IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE

[c23am]

Of course, SO VERY CONVINCING. The only reason why u think that is because at some vulnerable stage in ur life ur poorly developed rational faculties were overwhelmed by emotional sensibilities hooked into this totally manipulated, ant-spiritual, anti-progress, anti-love, rigid myth about some1 called 'Jesus' that u have no understanding of and never will. Sorry, but you have already wasted your life on childish myths that were designed to control irrational emotionally weak sheeple like urself.

[buybusiness]

@buybusiness I appreciate you taking the time to respond. So Christs greatest commandment was to love him with all out heart mind and soul. Second to love our neighbor as ourselves. Is that in accordnace with the blood thirsty illumanit/world controllers/ I know my G-d died for my sins as I am yet a sinner. All I pray is that you re-consider the programming of men

[brainsci]

The helm was discontinued because another one was more effective. It uses specialized signals, that you can't reproduce with pick-up coils, too.

The swedish group's failure with their experiemntal setup was the reason why their experiment had no results. Persinger is not in desgrace at all. He continues to work and publish, including rebuttals to the swedish group.

[AlbertLeviValdez]

All experience has an organic receptor. But the organism is not the cause of God experience. This theory is the post hoc fallacy.

[yubarraboo]

@AlbertLeviValdez

Good job making assertions with no substance

[AlchemistShaman]

I found that website that sells them...it's shaktitechnology(.)com and the website also has lots of good info. But what's even more interesting (and is not on the website) is you can take 2 coils, put each at a slightly different freq. and then point then at the head. Where the signals converge, a 3 note is created (just like bineural beats with sound) and the person will see different shapes as you change the freq. of one coil. And yet the coils are such a low magnetic field. This is good proof

[richardbrompton]

Is this type of Mind altering device similer to those little Boxs that ews put on there foreheads?

[fawad411]

shit mispelled

[fawad411]

i gona go fight bulls with my head when i get this hsit

[DrumFlo]

What's the song

[shring7]

Robert Miles / Children ,great tune

[AlchemistShaman]

I once saw a website that sells these...anyone know what that link is?

[rudolfopatricio]

They dont sell it anymore. And the helm is in a bit of disgrace now since a swedish team wasnt able to dublicate the result that Persinger got.

[AlchemistShaman]

The Shakti god helmet uses telephone pick-up coils. These are perfect to experiment with and only cost 2 bucks each. You'd be amazed what you can do with them. No more dangerous than headphone coils next to your brain.