Baktria Бактрия

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

wakhte mekhaiy yak darakhta az bay bebari, awal rishesha bezan......

walee ta emroz mibinem ke aryaiy haye asli ba khatere eshq wa eftekhareshan ke mefaman agar az bayn bera, tamame jado abadeshan az bayn mera.....

kas ke asl ast va mardomesha dost dara, khodesha dost dara, kas ke mardome khoda az bayn mebara, khoda az bayn mebara, kas ke bare mardome khod khianat mekona, bare khod khianat mekona....

ZENDA BAD BALKH/BAKHTAR ZAMEEN/ BACTRIA

[spa05akw]

Well, this first song sound to me like Indian. The second is really Oriental.

[spa05akw]

It does not proove the "Persian origin".

[SeeN0More]

@spa05akw Iranian doesn't mean persian. Iranic or Iranian can be of different tribes.

[1952kan]

български неравноделни тактове

[Pokhton]

search gilgit they live in afghanistan nuristan kalash pashtunistan

watch?v=gJCHwoB7q0o

[spa05akw]

@secretcombination94

YOU ARE STUPID Cucumber - not Bulgarians (Bulgarians = Greatest and most NOBLE!). Kurds and Persians are Gypsies.

[Baqtriana]

Interesting! Thanks for sharing. Who is the last singer? (the lady wearing atlas dress)

[balkhara]

Impressive!

[shamanata]

This culture shown in this video is inheritеd by the Afganistanian and Tajikistanian people durring the years.

When Baktria was created by the proto-bulgarians (bulgars) more than 1000 years BC (Before the Christ), it was completely different of what it is now and what it is shown in this video.

So this could not be the origin of bulgarians, because their civilization is far more older.

[stogerov]

I know of course. But the musical cannon is close.

[spa05akw]

- Dude, please don´t manipulate this video. Bulgarian folk-song is not the same as Bactrian.

[stogerov]

Don't write bullshit please. Read carefully!!!

[spa05akw]

- Dude, I forgot to tell you that you don´t have a lot of followers. In this site only 10.

[spa05akw]

- Stogerov, thanks for the information. But you are not quite right. First of all, if you give me your e-mail adress I will send you Bulgarian folk music sounding like Mongolian. I do like this kind of music, but Bulgarians do not originate from India, Afghanistan, Persia, or whatever.... Sorry, dude.

[stogerov]

Ow yea like you the ultimate educator. You know nothing. How are you willing to compare something that is impossible. First of all are you able to make difference beteen regular and irregular rhythm? The mongolian is only regular.

[spa05akw]

- I did not say that all music sounds like Mongolian. But there are some and I can proove it easily. Listen to the beginning of the video "Koprivshtitsa" part I (1991) and you will se.

[stogerov]

There are 3 basic similarities: 1. the language thousands of identical or similar words with the pamirian languages. 2. Only in Bulgaria/Macedonia and in Central Asia (Aria) there are irregular rhythms in the folk music. 3. The costumes are very close.

[stogerov]

The Mongolian Theory of the origin of the pre-bulgarians is completely fake. It was created by some serbian/austro-hungarian "historians" and later bought by the Soviet government as very convince.

[spa05akw]

- The Mongolian theory is not fake, because Mongolia belonged to Volga Bulgaria (Idelian Empire). Today´s Mongols are newcomers. Bactri was just another Bulgar land. They do not originate from there - they migrated there Millenias BC.

[spa05akw]

- The Mongolian theory is corrupted and distorted. The word Mongol did not exist before 7th century AD. It is just a part of Bulgar history. What is worse, is that charlatans and anti-Bulgarians deny the rest of their history. That they were Thracians as well, and oldest Europeans. The world thinks that many things came from the Greeks, but in fact Greeks stole/copied Thracian-Bulgarian goods calling them Greek.

[stogerov]

Well the thracian part is still strong even today. But We are not mongols we don't look like mongols. We are of european race!!! The eastern chronicles are saying bulgarians are tocharians or Scythians. They are the first europeans reached China. I think that the pre bulgarians was a thracian or close to the thracians people.

[spa05akw]

- Bulgarians originate from Europe, but a part of them mixed with local Asian population in BC. That is why archelogy has defined Bulgarian skuls from graves Europeid with slight Mongolian feature.

[spa05akw]

- Ancient Bulgarians were all over the world. They emigrated even to America 15-10 000 BC. According to Khazarian source, Josif, Bulgarians were as many as the sand in the sea.

[spa05akw]

- Mongolian is not quite a race, but rather kind of people. Scientists have established that the specific Mongolian feature is due to a cold and harsh climate. In time people change. A part of Bulgarians migrated to China/Mongolia and Turkestan, very long time ago 15 000-10 000 BC. The Bulgarian forefathers migrated later from C. Asia to America and are known as Indians. There are found 300 Chuvash words in Maya and Aztec language + runic. Maya calendar was also advanced as Proto-Bulgarian.

[stogerov]

Ама моля те не пиши подобни фантасмагории.

Тва не са твърди научни теории. За Таримския басейн чувал ли си? Че там са открити европеиди отпреди 1500 Пр. Хр.

[stogerov]

Не отричам че индианците имат нещо общо. Смешно ми е че например орнаментите на носиите от Перу и Мексико са сходни с нашите.

[spa05akw]

- I know about Europeids, cause Turkestan was populated by European Bulgarians from Ural-Itil. Uighurs have preserved Bulgar tribe name. Bulgar tribes were GUR people: Ut-igurs, Kut-igurs, Ui-gurs, etc. As I said, some Bulgarians were mixed, some not. It is not fantasy, but natural way of living.

[spa05akw]

- Well, Thracians were definitely Bulgarians. Though, I am not sure of Proto-Thracians. I will send you Byzantine quotation.

[spa05akw]

Joan Malala (Byzantine source) wrote in the VI century about the Troyan war: And Achilles departed with the Artidies, [] army of 3000 people, who were called Mirmidons at this time, and now are called Bulgarians (Comment: Mirmidons were from Epirus and Thessalia. These were European local Bulgarians/Thracians and we are talking here about BC, not AD. This war was brotherly: Bulgarians against Bulgarians, since Troy was Bulgar creation)

[stogerov]

I Know this quotation. Yes But nowhere at the time of Troy is said bulgarians. That is for we can only assume. There has to be something big in this. The future will tell. :-)

[stogerov]

The big differences between the bulgarian regions, dialects, customs, costumes are proving that this was a massive amount of People from big distances. It means that The Bulgarian zone of infuence was very big.

[spa05akw]

- It is already BIG and REVEALED in Volga Bulgarian medieval source Djagfar Tarihi. There you have the whole story and the origin of names - you just need to open your eyes and read it. This source is MOST important for studying Bulgarian ancient history. It also says that Thrace was initially Bulgarians. Later came the invadors from Africa, the Greeks. Etc. According to same source Troy was Bulgarian. Byzantine/Roman sources are NOT the only one.

[spa05akw]

- There are many other sources, like this.

•According to Magnus Felix Ennodius (473-521) Bulgarians are Old Thraco-Ilyrians (There was already Bulgaria on Balkans, as a Province, long before Khan Asparukhs Bulgarians came to Moesia the official date for these newcomers)

[spa05akw]

- Do you have some pictures with Peruan and Mexican ornaments similar to Bulgarian? I did not study this yet, and I am very interested.

[stogerov]

I dont but you can make internet research. Look for aztecan culture

[spa05akw]

I have missed this comment of yours: That is for we can only assume.

- What I mean is that I did not assumed it. It was a statement by John Malala. He must have known more than us about ancient Bulgars and their new name.

[balkhara]

@spa05akw "What is worse, is that charlatans and anti-Bulgarians deny the rest of their history. That they were Thracians as well, and oldest Europeans. The world thinks that many things came from the Greeks, but in fact Greeks stole/copied Thracian-Bulgarian goods calling them Greek."-that is the very true! The interesting is that this is clearly stated by respected old non-bulgarian writers and the tefts m ade the world believ, that we are stealing now. When we are only seeking the true.

[spa05akw]

@balkhara

You are completaly RIGHT! Bulgarians = Thracians = Macedonians = Pelasgians = Trojans = Paeonians = Moesians = Tribalians = Geths (pseudo Goths), and many others. Bulgarian history is Greatest - people who contributed most to the world. The Greek contribution was just MODEST. They even copied the Bulgarian Cyrillic letters and call them pseudo "Greek".

[balkhara]

@spa05akw The old hellenic people have really developed only the art of sculpture (as they took the initiation by the Egypt and so on). That is all. Everything else called during last 4 centuaries "greek" is borowed mostly by Thracians, Egyptians and Pesrians. Some things by Phoenicians, Jews and other older nations in the Mediterranean Region. Even "Bizantine Empire" was Thracian initially.

[spa05akw]

@balkhara

I agree, so far. Thracians = BULGARIANS!

[spa05akw]

@balkhara

My friend, it is "...borrowed mostly FROM the Thracians, Egyptians... If you say "by", this means in English that these borrowed from the Greeks - which is not true.

[balkhara]

@spa05akw Correctly.

[SeeN0More]

@spa05akw Nope the Proto-bulgars were Iranic.

[spa05akw]

@SeeN0More

Nope. There is no proof Bulgarians being of Iranian origin. To dwell in Persia is not same as being Persian. Bulgarians dwelled in many parts: China, Mongolia, Anatolia, India, Near East, etc. It does not make them Chinese, Mongolian or Indian. BLGARIANS = ancient THRACIANS!!!

[SeeN0More]

@spa05akw Their not, dude you can even see their migration pattern. Just search it up, even Bulgarians call themselves scythians or Iranic.

[spa05akw]

@SeeN0More

Dude, Thracians were also Scythians. And even Uralo-Altaic. Not only Scytho-Sarmatian. I can prove that Bulgarians are Thracians - though the Iranian thing, or pathgern as you call it, is not strong as Thracian pathern. The Thracian pathern is very obvious. Besides thracians themselves say they are Bulgars - already in BC. Read Thracian Chronicles. Further, Bulgarian language is Thraco-Boharic and connected to Northern Egyptian and Moesian dialects. Bulgarian is modern Thracian.

[SeeN0More]

@spa05akw And what were the scythans? Iranic, EXACTLY!

[spa05akw]

@SeeN0More

Pre-Turks are also Arians. “AR/ER” is a pre-Türkic word meaning “ a man”. Scythian is a “bow shooter” on horse. This technique was born in Europe – north to the Black sea (Pontic area) and south to the Ural region.

[spa05akw]

@SeeN0More

Scythians were not Iranian. Scythians attacked and conquered part of Persia and a some of them were Iranized. Scythians were Uralo-Altaics (a mixture of 7 Uralo-Altaic-Arian tribes from 14-11000 BC). Old Turan was in Bulgarian state IDEL (Ural-ITIL) – not in Persia/Iran.

[SeeN0More]

@spa05akw The word Turanian was in the Avesta and was later used by the Sassanid empire to describe Turkic tribes from the east. See Iranian doesn't just mena Persian only and the Iranian tribes weren't orginally even from Iran. They were from ancient Andronovo. Most Iranic populations pre-6th century AD probably had a extremely high frequency in R1a. Which was and is a aryan gene.

[spa05akw]

@SeeN0More

RE: Ok, but do not rely on DNA. DNA proves Nothing. We are talking about ancient history, and you cannot take blood samples from today´s population. People have migrated a lot since then.

[SeeN0More]

@spa05akw No actually, because DNA proves everything and yes you can take DNA tests. Slacs probably have the highest percentage of R1a. Also Scythian skulls were examed in various places, in northern iran, Russia and Ukraine. They all show highest frequencies of R1a and shows their culture and language. Of Indo-european language, Culture and genetics.

[spa05akw]

@SeeN0More

Dude, DNA proves NOT! Serious historians and researchers do not take DNA in consideration. So please, do not invent own history. Read ancient sources instead - most Important!

[spa05akw]

@SeeN0More

By the way, read Djagfar Tarihi source. This source is BEST! because it is our own - not written by subjective foreigners.

[spa05akw]

@SeeN0More

You will for sure also find Thracian-Bulgarian DNA in Pamirian region, because they migrated there - not only from C. Asia - but also with Alexander the Great. Alexander married there and a lot of his soldiers sateyd thetre.

[spa05akw]

@balkhara

Did you know that Cyrillic is the wolrd´s oldest?!. Cyrillic is in fact not a new invention from the AD, but just a continuation from the most antient times with starting date 4500-3500 BC! Euroasian Bulgars (Thracians) gave it later to the koreans and the Chinese, whose ancient letters/signs look like Cyrillic and pseudo Latin. Even the Korean are older than the Greek and Latin - dated to 3898 - 2381 BC!

[balkhara]

@shamanata В крайна сметка в днешно време по онези земи живеят само малцинства от онези стари българи и мнозинства от турко-езични народи,с изкл. на Северен Афганистан и Пакистан.В днешна Турция и ме едно пренебрегнато племе,което съставлява около 1/4-1/3 от населението на Труция...Кюрдите-те не напразно бяха подържани от Тодор Живков.Малцина знаят,че те са стар ирано-говорящ народ.Живял по земите си от хиляди години.Сроден на нашия.Няма нищо общо с турците,дори и вярата им е друга-алевити.

[stogerov]

@balkhara да да знаем за кюрдите :-)

[balkhara]

@stogerov Аз за тебе зная,че знаеш.За другите го пиша.Има много ирано езични народи-основно се делят на западно-иранска и източно-иранска група.Ако се проследят международните сблъсъци през последните 100-150 г.,ще се появи една особена зависимост:САЩ,Израел,Франция и няколко други държави,вингаи застават на страната на воюващите срещу ирано-говорящите... Всеки може да проследи това. Последния пример - Осетия и Грузия. Друг ример - Турция и ПКК, трети - Албания и Българите в Мк и т.н и т.н...

[stogerovn]

@balkhara взе ми мислите от г;авата честно казано :-)

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

@shamanata

descentants cannot build a land for their ancestors but your ancestors can create a land for thier descentants....

you really changed the fact that bactrians were the ancestors of the bulgarians and not the other way.

[shamanata]

@TheAFGpersiangirlAFG

I guess that's why I've said "proto-bulgarians (bulgars)" and not just bulgarians :) My point was that you can not compare what is happening in Baktria and Bulgaria today (or 10y ago) just because they had something in common in the past. So this video proves nothing.

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

@shamanata

of course you cannot compare the situations what bactria has experienced with bulgaria. i tell you something and i hope you understand what i mean, my father says enemies know that when someone wants to destroy a tribe or to remove people from the world then they start their mission to destroy their root and then the rest of it. unfortunately our own aryan people were not faithful to eachother if we had known our enemies then the aryans of today have lived side by side today....

[TheAFGpersiangirlAFG]

@shamanata

btw you can go a little bit farer back  to the future than 1000 yrs ;)

[bulgaar55]

Pushtunski izik e edinstven izto4no iranski ezik koito ima shodna gramatica s bulgarski.

te su6to imat mujki i jenski rod.A jenskia vinagi zavur6va s okon4anieto "a" :)

Zvu4i neveroiatno , NO e fakt

[TodorAleksandrov]

Кюрдския също,

един пример Жна - женА

[balkhara]

@bulgaar55 НИкак не е невероятно: През 4 век пр.Хр. Александър Велики заселил там 12 000 свои войници от тракийски произход. Развилата се сетне култура е ирано-тракийска, ако мога така да я обрисувам. От там идват няколко века по-късно някои преселения обратно към Балканите, под името българи, за да се съединят с българите по бреговете на Дунава. Връзки между двете държави е имало винаги и това е част от търговията между Азия и Европа.

[spa05akw]

@balkhara

Don´t forget that Persians lived in Thrace for 30 years during the Greco-Persian war time. After Persians were leaving, they took a part of Thracians to Persia, where Thracians worked in Persepolis as Administrators. These Thracians were called "Escudras"/Shkudra". So here we also have another explanation why Bulgarian words, etc, are found in Persian/Iranian.

[balkhara]

@bulgaar55 По-късно през 12-14 век монголите и турците,идващи от Изток,са избили и прогонили мнозинството от тези населения.Остават малцинмства по днешните Таджикистан,Казахстан,Азербайд­жан и малко по-вече в Афганистан.Такива поселения има и в Северен Пакистан,Иран и др.Много от тези ирано-говорящи хора са се реселили в Малаазия и там за живели до освобождението на България,когато тези от тях,които не са били вече погърчени,се заселват в Днешна България.Останалите Мустафа Кемал Изселва в Гърция.

[spa05akw]

@bulgaar55

You probably mean "majki" instead of "mujki". Well, this word is also ancient Sumerian and Mayan. "Mother" is called "Canga/Kanga ki Maya" (In Bulgarian = May-ka, and May-ki for pluralis). Canga ki Maya = Mother or Mothers of Sumarians (Cangars/Kangars). If you find this in Pashto, it is because the Sumerian-Mayan Bulgars gave it to them, after they migrated to Northern India.

[spa05akw]

@bulgaar55

Cangar/Kangar is one of the Bulgarian self-names for SUMER/Mesopoptamia. CAN/KAH/KHAN = leader + GAR = a soldier. The most ancient SUMER was ruled by "lord soldiers", ie. BUL-GAR-S. And "AR" means ARIAN (Bulg-Arian). To repeat: AR = an Arian man and GAR = Arian soldier.

[spa05akw]

@bulgaar55

Another interesting word is the Sumerian “ED” = create/creation. Preserved in modern Bulgarian as ED-IN = ONE for singularis. The One God = the EDIN. We have also the EDEN (the paradise) linked to God and God´s creation. Most probably, this conception was later borrowed by the Scandinavians under the name ODIN.

[spa05akw]

@bulgaar55

The proto-Bulgarian title KHAN/KAN/HAN means “leader” and it is ancient Sumerian – not Turkish. Turks/Ottomans did not use this title, but SULTANS, PASHAS, etc.

[VMOPO]

Много руси тия афгански арийки! :))

[spa05akw]

- They have hired them from somewhere.

[stogerov]

see also irani music in my videos

[stogerov]

It's like paralel Universe :-)