James White presents excellent cases to Muslims in his debates with Muslim apologists, yet, when he addresses Catholics and speaks on Catholicism in his YouTube posts, suddenly all of the scholarly demeanor and eloquence which he brings to others gets thrown out the window and he devolves into an afflicted, bitter and petty man-child, whining and sulking about big bad Rome. For a man of his intellect to exhibit such behavior demonstrates that he is, existentially, a liar and a hypocrite.
Great job gnrhead. I noticed you had the guts to have this section open for comments and James White did not have the guts to have his section open for comments.
John calvin, martin luther and ana baptist what do they have in common? O that's right they all believed in a "teaching" church even after rejecting true christian teaching only found in its fullest within the roman universal church. Aka catholic. They themselves did not believe in sola scriptura, and niether does the bible.
Ignatius of Antioch should not be followed by Christians. He is just a man, and is subject to error, which in reading his comparison of Christ to Socrates (humanistic in philosophies) is an obvious error in his letters as are many other of his writings, such as obeying bishops and the eucharist only being given by bishops. Keep the Word of God as your road map and you won't stray. Follow men and you will follow their errors.
@studentinlearning Ignatius is just a man, who was passed on the teachings by the Apostles, who were just men, but were taught by God in the flesh. If these people were wrong, and the real church didn't appear until 1517, or 1611, or heck even 1914...was Jesus wrong when he said the Holy Spirit would never leave the church?
These 'Men" wrote the Scripture inder inspiration of God. The church is always in need of reform but it's clear from reading the Word of God and the early Christians.
@clarkbailey1973 Sorry but you are wrong. As you read the apostles said that there were those who went out from them who really never were part of them since they were passing on false teachings. The apostles of Christ have their writings recorded, which anyone can read in the bible. They do not teach this doctrine, as you say. Watch out for what church history you are referring. The Catholic church has corrupted a lot of of church history.
@studentinlearning The doctrine of the real presence in clear in Scripture, the early Christians echo it, the only way you can argue it is not is to deny the early christians were Christians, so this ( and I'm being saarcastic) heretical sect was fighting the heretical Gnostics and being killed and true Christians never stood up and said hey these people aren't Christians they don't speak for us? Does anti-catholic hate blind you from the truth.
@clarkbailey1973 Your argument is weak. Perhaps, you can read about the Nicolaitans teachings in Revelations. Then you can see what God says about that subject.
@studentinlearning that those people were being KILLED for being Christians and they believed it and the Gnostics did not...now which Churches believe in a real presence and which do not....and whoch one are more Gnostic...hmmmm
I'm just about to complete my RCIA conversion to the Catholic Church at Easter Vigil this Saturday. This was a well done video, I was a Fundamental Baptist, and very well versed in scripture. I used to give the same arguements as these protestants. If they will honestly search for the truth, and forget their preconcieved notions, they will see that the Catholic Church, is truely the Church founded by Christ, 2000 years ago. God Bless you.
@dennislz324 I am amazed. I would not have expected a Catholic convert from the likes of an IFB church. I do not mean to say anything against the IFB churches, but it surprises me, having visited one before, and having seen the kind of things that they teach. Oh well, welcome home! I guess the Holy Spirit is stronger than I thought... I'd be interested to hear your story...
@agentjs09 The Holy Spirit is the Lord, the give of life, remember the Creed...The Spirit of God blows where it chooses and gathers up our Lord Jesus Christ children to dine at the Lamb's table in the eternal marriage feast...
James White does have a tenedency to turn the Church Fathers into proto-protestants. Whenever he says the word 'context' watch closely as he takes things totally OUT of context, swirls them into a pretext, then packages them with his own world view.
"Stand fast, brethren, in the faith of Jesus Christ, and in His love, in His passion, and in His resurrection.... breaking one and the same bread, which is the medicine of immortality, and the antidote which prevents us from dying, but a cleansing remedy driving away evil, that we should live in God through Jesus Christ."
Saint Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Ephesians 20.
St. Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, the only see that might plausibly challenge Roman primacy, yet assures the Romans that: "I do not command you as Peter and Paul did," and enthusiastically salutes that church "which presides in the region of the Romans" (Romans, 1, 4).
The other day I stumbled onto a website for a Christian "church" based in CA. They have much information on how various Christian faiths are wrong and preaching false doctrines. Amusingly, they deny every single Early Church Father and label them as heretics. Why?
@PatristicEchoes I was in CA (SF bay area) two summers ago and a guy invited me to his church. It didn't even have a name for its denomination. The "sunday school" consisted entirely of a condemning of the Catholic Church and the so-called "Romish teachings of Jezebel." I wonder if this is the same church as you were looking at.
As you were getting to the end, I thought "It would be great if he would end this video by quoting what Martin Luther had to say about the Eucharist." Almost as soon as I thought this, you did.
There is no way we can ignore the writings of the early Church fathers and be true to the Bible or history. We do not know all they were told by the apostles and for that reason they must be heard.
James White has been debating Roman Catholics since you were in elementary school, yet you assert he's hasn't discussed these other passages? Study his debates and writings more carefully...
And he's been DISHONESTLY misquoting and misusing these Fathers since before I was in school! What is your point? It simply goes to show that after all these years if White STILL has to misrepresent the Fathers then he really has no case at all. Thanks for proving my point.
One thing I would like to know, maybe Mr. White can help answer---is why he doesn't fully quote Ignatius? Just wondering.
Parker I suggest you watch James White's videos on Augustine and follow the links I have provided. James misquotes Augustine and never corrects his error in his videos or his website. So much for honesty
This is what Reformed Theologians want you to believe; that the Latin Church misunderstood the Latin fathers; that the Greek Church misunderstood the Greek Fathers; that the Syrian Church misunderstood the Syrian Fathers; and finally, thank God, John Calvin came along to straighten everybody out.
Thank you; I am puzzled when I read or hear Calvinists praise St. John Chrysosthem Archbishop of Constantinople--even though they don't believe in archbishops or bishops for that matter-no not elders--bishops, baby; or declared saints, or icons--you know the man has the most famous Liturgy (Mass) of the Eastern Rite-or Church if you like named after him--and the Calvnists don't believe in....well you get the point.
@parkerjd1112 It doesn't matter how young a Catholic is.We are taught THE TRUTH from the get-go.We are the FIRST Church of Christ Jesus! You Protestants are nothing but what your title describes you to be:Protesters.Your'e all so jealous of our rich History that could be yours too but you all want to have access of our History not to defend it but to tear it apart & CHANGE it! YOU all are going to push us to RISE UP & DEFEND THE TRUE FAITH LIKE NEVER BEFORE!!!!
Good for you for defending the FAITH! Peace be with you forever!
sweet161402 1 week ago
James White presents excellent cases to Muslims in his debates with Muslim apologists, yet, when he addresses Catholics and speaks on Catholicism in his YouTube posts, suddenly all of the scholarly demeanor and eloquence which he brings to others gets thrown out the window and he devolves into an afflicted, bitter and petty man-child, whining and sulking about big bad Rome. For a man of his intellect to exhibit such behavior demonstrates that he is, existentially, a liar and a hypocrite.
PrinceOfGalilee 2 months ago
So, what about his comments about Augustine and "compel" them to come in.
Aldaris19 8 months ago
Great job gnrhead. I noticed you had the guts to have this section open for comments and James White did not have the guts to have his section open for comments.
vamp2757 10 months ago
John calvin, martin luther and ana baptist what do they have in common? O that's right they all believed in a "teaching" church even after rejecting true christian teaching only found in its fullest within the roman universal church. Aka catholic. They themselves did not believe in sola scriptura, and niether does the bible.
jpop1321 10 months ago
Ignatius of Antioch should not be followed by Christians. He is just a man, and is subject to error, which in reading his comparison of Christ to Socrates (humanistic in philosophies) is an obvious error in his letters as are many other of his writings, such as obeying bishops and the eucharist only being given by bishops. Keep the Word of God as your road map and you won't stray. Follow men and you will follow their errors.
studentinlearning 1 year ago
@studentinlearning Ignatius is just a man, who was passed on the teachings by the Apostles, who were just men, but were taught by God in the flesh. If these people were wrong, and the real church didn't appear until 1517, or 1611, or heck even 1914...was Jesus wrong when he said the Holy Spirit would never leave the church?
These 'Men" wrote the Scripture inder inspiration of God. The church is always in need of reform but it's clear from reading the Word of God and the early Christians.
clarkbailey1973 1 year ago
@clarkbailey1973 Sorry but you are wrong. As you read the apostles said that there were those who went out from them who really never were part of them since they were passing on false teachings. The apostles of Christ have their writings recorded, which anyone can read in the bible. They do not teach this doctrine, as you say. Watch out for what church history you are referring. The Catholic church has corrupted a lot of of church history.
studentinlearning 1 year ago
@studentinlearning The doctrine of the real presence in clear in Scripture, the early Christians echo it, the only way you can argue it is not is to deny the early christians were Christians, so this ( and I'm being saarcastic) heretical sect was fighting the heretical Gnostics and being killed and true Christians never stood up and said hey these people aren't Christians they don't speak for us? Does anti-catholic hate blind you from the truth.
clarkbailey1973 1 year ago
@clarkbailey1973 Your argument is weak. Perhaps, you can read about the Nicolaitans teachings in Revelations. Then you can see what God says about that subject.
studentinlearning 1 year ago
@studentinlearning In reference to what argument? Perhaps Protestants should?
clarkbailey1973 1 year ago
@studentinlearning that those people were being KILLED for being Christians and they believed it and the Gnostics did not...now which Churches believe in a real presence and which do not....and whoch one are more Gnostic...hmmmm
clarkbailey1973 1 year ago
I'm just about to complete my RCIA conversion to the Catholic Church at Easter Vigil this Saturday. This was a well done video, I was a Fundamental Baptist, and very well versed in scripture. I used to give the same arguements as these protestants. If they will honestly search for the truth, and forget their preconcieved notions, they will see that the Catholic Church, is truely the Church founded by Christ, 2000 years ago. God Bless you.
dennislz324 1 year ago
@dennislz324 I am amazed. I would not have expected a Catholic convert from the likes of an IFB church. I do not mean to say anything against the IFB churches, but it surprises me, having visited one before, and having seen the kind of things that they teach. Oh well, welcome home! I guess the Holy Spirit is stronger than I thought... I'd be interested to hear your story...
agentjs09 1 year ago
@agentjs09 The Holy Spirit is the Lord, the give of life, remember the Creed...The Spirit of God blows where it chooses and gathers up our Lord Jesus Christ children to dine at the Lamb's table in the eternal marriage feast...
clarkbailey1973 1 year ago
James White does have a tenedency to turn the Church Fathers into proto-protestants. Whenever he says the word 'context' watch closely as he takes things totally OUT of context, swirls them into a pretext, then packages them with his own world view.
LothairOfLorraine 2 years ago
I have another one!
"Stand fast, brethren, in the faith of Jesus Christ, and in His love, in His passion, and in His resurrection.... breaking one and the same bread, which is the medicine of immortality, and the antidote which prevents us from dying, but a cleansing remedy driving away evil, that we should live in God through Jesus Christ."
Saint Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Ephesians 20.
seltian 3 years ago
St. Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, the only see that might plausibly challenge Roman primacy, yet assures the Romans that: "I do not command you as Peter and Paul did," and enthusiastically salutes that church "which presides in the region of the Romans" (Romans, 1, 4).
ignatiusofantioch2 3 years ago
The other day I stumbled onto a website for a Christian "church" based in CA. They have much information on how various Christian faiths are wrong and preaching false doctrines. Amusingly, they deny every single Early Church Father and label them as heretics. Why?
Because the website considered them all Catholic!
Talk about irony.
PatristicEchoes 3 years ago
@PatristicEchoes I was in CA (SF bay area) two summers ago and a guy invited me to his church. It didn't even have a name for its denomination. The "sunday school" consisted entirely of a condemning of the Catholic Church and the so-called "Romish teachings of Jezebel." I wonder if this is the same church as you were looking at.
agentjs09 1 year ago
@PatristicEchoes lol
clarkbailey1973 1 year ago
As you were getting to the end, I thought "It would be great if he would end this video by quoting what Martin Luther had to say about the Eucharist." Almost as soon as I thought this, you did.
Great video! Keep up the good work!
seltian 3 years ago
dude, keep up the good work
tizzidale 4 years ago
Am I ever gonna get my opening statement?
prchdaword 4 years ago
There is no way we can ignore the writings of the early Church fathers and be true to the Bible or history. We do not know all they were told by the apostles and for that reason they must be heard.
Bingolly1 4 years ago
great video.
elaniv 4 years ago
James White has been debating Roman Catholics since you were in elementary school, yet you assert he's hasn't discussed these other passages? Study his debates and writings more carefully...
parkerjd1112 4 years ago
And he's been DISHONESTLY misquoting and misusing these Fathers since before I was in school! What is your point? It simply goes to show that after all these years if White STILL has to misrepresent the Fathers then he really has no case at all. Thanks for proving my point.
One thing I would like to know, maybe Mr. White can help answer---is why he doesn't fully quote Ignatius? Just wondering.
gnrhead 4 years ago
Parker I suggest you watch James White's videos on Augustine and follow the links I have provided. James misquotes Augustine and never corrects his error in his videos or his website. So much for honesty
gnrhead 4 years ago
@gnrhead
This is what Reformed Theologians want you to believe; that the Latin Church misunderstood the Latin fathers; that the Greek Church misunderstood the Greek Fathers; that the Syrian Church misunderstood the Syrian Fathers; and finally, thank God, John Calvin came along to straighten everybody out.
RPenta 1 year ago
@RPenta I love the way you put that...
clarkbailey1973 1 year ago
@clarkbailey1973
Thank you; I am puzzled when I read or hear Calvinists praise St. John Chrysosthem Archbishop of Constantinople--even though they don't believe in archbishops or bishops for that matter-no not elders--bishops, baby; or declared saints, or icons--you know the man has the most famous Liturgy (Mass) of the Eastern Rite-or Church if you like named after him--and the Calvnists don't believe in....well you get the point.
RPenta 1 year ago
@RPenta I think most Calvinst are more Calvinist than John Calvin...
clarkbailey1973 1 year ago
@parkerjd1112 It doesn't matter how young a Catholic is.We are taught THE TRUTH from the get-go.We are the FIRST Church of Christ Jesus! You Protestants are nothing but what your title describes you to be:Protesters.Your'e all so jealous of our rich History that could be yours too but you all want to have access of our History not to defend it but to tear it apart & CHANGE it! YOU all are going to push us to RISE UP & DEFEND THE TRUE FAITH LIKE NEVER BEFORE!!!!
sweet161402 1 week ago
Beautiful way to end the video with that quote from Luther.
Catholicdrummer 4 years ago