Child Marriage in the Quran

[Sloth7d]

I'm surprised this Islamic toleration of paedophilia hasn't been rationized away by Muslims as Satan once again tempting Muhammad into preaching sinful beliefs.

[FHomeBrew]

The fact that these people even ASK these questions in the first place means they were immoral to me, regardless if the acts were permissible or not.

[hamzah938]

ATTENTION:(TheRationalizer): Your accusation of 'threat by proxy' was a knee jerk reaction of a coward(you) as I tried to clarify my statement and you had blocked me out of immaturity. Bad form on your part as my explanation in no way inferred a threat, only YOUR chance to excuse yourself and withdraw from the discourse! --YOU ARE WEAK-- ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! VERY SAD !

[curlew0609]

My ancestors used to sacrifice each other and toss the bodies in a peat bog. It felt right at the time. We do not feel obliged to defend those sacrifices in the modern world.

The problem for modern Moslems is that they DO have to defend their inerrant prophet's actions as being right, while being personally repulsed by them. If he was perfect in his actions and his book inerrant, revealed by an eternal god, his actions and his book must remain perfect and inerrant for all time.

[GargamelGold]

@Lorientalist Its really disturbing what's in a lot of religious texts, including the Qu'ran, which basically condones, child rape.

[theindiekidable]

I'm a moderate on this - I have numerous Muslim friends who don't know I'm gay! So I like Muslims, fucking hate the Quran for condemning me and preventing me being truly honest with my Muslim friends.

[00ismaeL001a]

@theindiekidable According to the Quran Muslims are not supposed to have non-Muslims as friends. I don't know if you knew that?

The hadiths also say that under Sharia Law gays should be killed. That is truly sad.

[Lorientalist]

@theindiekidable

I too have Muslim friends - it is important to distinguish the individuals from the religion.

[GargamelGold]

@Lorientalist I agree, too many people Judge Individual Muslims, based on what they know, or think they know about Islam, and not as individuals.

[JoOoez]

@Lorientalist Correct, but as long as they don't impose their teachings on the unbelievers.

[Drgamedood]

@theindiekidable Once they find out you're gay, they most likely won't want to be your friend anymore.

[mammyoriordan]

@theindiekidable As far as anyone is concerned - it's no-one's business but your own who you fancy. Gay rights people keep pushing this - "this is who I am" bit - but your sexual orientation is not "who you are" no more than the fact I'm heterosexual is "who I am" - but as a Christian you and I are both called to chastity. - Blessings and good luck - Rene

[Rockster969]

Islam, a paedophiles charter.

[OhwhataCruise2]

Aisha was 6 years old and MOHAMMAD married her and THIGHED her for his sexual pleasure...(TODAY moslems thigh little boys at WEDDINGS..) SICK SICK people worship MO HAM MAD.....BACHA BAZI Boys still exist today so I would say ISLAM does love the little children a bit too much for modern day LIFE....

[Lorientalist]

@OhwhataCruise2

Do you have any statistics on that?

[lahoucine66]

i don't know why atheists & anti islam activists favoritted this video ?

[mildpace]

@lahoucine66

Bcos islam is hate, violence and stupidity in the guise of belief.

[theindiekidable]

@mildpace Bcos?

[mildpace]

@theindiekidable

what ?

[Lorientalist]

@lahoucine66

Because it is a well-researched, well-made, classier and more objective alternative to the Propaganda pedalled by anti-Muslim bigots - you should be thankful for that.

[Lorientalist]

@trustworthyno1 and @TheRationalizer

>"People used to get mature earlier."

This is a common misconception - people used to get mature LATER. The Average age of menarche/puberty was 12-14 in Antiquity. I am currently uploading a video on that very subject.

[trustworthyno1]

@Lorientalist

My reply is about overall maturity.

Read my comments related to males/boys of that time.

Can we give an army commnad to a 16 years old?

They do not even complete their graduation at that age.

[trustworthyno1]

@MrBowserWowser

I have studied the marriage customs of that time.

That's why I have responded to thisvideo with a lecture that gives an idea about the marriage customs of that time.

There was no regard of age difference if both the sides were willing partners in marriage.

Aisha was young and never regretted to be Prophet,pbuh's wife.

The mature man who is taking the young girl as his wife might be a better option being an experienced person to give comfortable situation to the young girl

[Drgamedood]

@trustworthyno1 It's sick and disgusting to try to justify child marriage/sexual relations. It's the 21st century now. Let's try and grow up, shall we?

[trustworthyno1]

@Drgamedood

/watch?v=dDDpTtGm8nw

God's laws are applicable in a wide range of circumstances and the society chooses the part which it finds to be befitting.

The definition of child has changed with time.

If a person behaves maturely and wants to be treated as an adult then to demean him/her becuase of his/her age is injustice with him/her.

Intellectual maturity is also important along with physical maturity for marriage.

/watch?v=zX7R5aLZhFA

[Drgamedood]

@trustworthyno1 Piss off.

[trustworthyno1]

@Drgamedood

Did you watch the videos

[Drgamedood]

@trustworthyno1 No, I have better than things to do than to watch pathetic people justify pedophilia. ;-)

[TheRationalizer]

@trustworthyno1

The people of the past aren't generally looked upon as perfect examples for all humanity, and therefore we can outlaw sex with what we in my country would classify as children.

Muhammad IS looked upon as a perfect example for all humanity until the end of time, and thus Muslims cannot make marriage to "children" illegal but must instead classify them as adults.

[trustworthyno1]

@TheRationalizer

I referred the video of muhaddithdotorg to other commenters on this video to clarify that Islam does not ask Muslims to classify children as adults, but on the other hand, it gives criteria of evaluating both children and adults od current generation in terms of becoming BALIGH.

Baligh is used for the person who is mature enough to handle his/her affairs off.

But those are not interested in truth do not watch it saying they do not want to watch video that justifies pedophilia.

[TheRationalizer]

@trustworthyno1

A girl as young as 9 can be classed as an adult if she has a dream of a sexual nature and her vagina excretes vaginal lubrication, even though she is not expected to start her periods for a number of years.

Would you like the fatwa reference?

[Lorientalist]

@TheRationalizer

Speaking of which: /watch?v=pIZPNCaZupo

[trustworthyno1]

@TheRationalizer

The word CAN BE is to be replaced with COULD BE

As I referred in my earlier comment, the boys used to be mature and wise at age 16 and used to lead army bringing victory that showed that they were capable enough to commnad army.

A 16 years old is not classified as man in current days

[TheRationalizer]

@trustworthyno1

>Can be / could be

Rubbish. The laws are applicable until the end of time.

[trustworthyno1]

@TheRationalizer

Laws is not about puberty or adolescence or menarche

The law is about MATURITY.

"When judged mature" by the timely criteria  .

So the age of maturity will change with time.

[TheRationalizer]

@trustworthyno1

So in your opinion a female that is *too young* to have started her periods can be physically mature enough for sex?

[trustworthyno1]

@TheRationalizer

The question of Iddah was asked and so was replied .

It seems that the marriage with the girls around puberty who were otherwise mature was a norm so their Iddah was asked and it was informed.

There are a range of people all over the world and before applying any law they should be individually examined critically.

[TheRationalizer]

@trustworthyno1

Re-read the hadiths and the tafsirs. These girls were not having periods because they were TOO YOUNG.

[trustworthyno1]

@TheRationalizer Baaligh is for maturity to take responsibilities of everything.

Do not corner yourself off to only puberty and menarche.

[TheRationalizer]

@trustworthyno1

Do you think that a girl *too young* to have started her periods can be physically mature enough for sex?

[trustworthyno1]

@TheRationalizer I have no idea.

[TheRationalizer]

@trustworthyno1

You have never seen one, and that is because the answer is "No". But instead of thinking about the problem, you'd obviously rather resign yourself to "I have no idea" and pretend the problem does not exist.

These were men who were willing to have sex with children.

[trustworthyno1]

@TheRationalizer

We are living at an age when even marrying a 16 years old is not considered proper as they are all studying and so are never given any scope to think in that direction until they are off from their studies.

The people who are having early marriage as a custom should be visited and be asked without any bias.

The experience of those girls who married at 8 and had children earlier should be asked .

No one marries children but adulthood was judged differently by different societies

[TheRationalizer]

No, you are talking about social norms. *I* am talking about the human body and its physical maturity.

Did you know for example that girls under 14 are up to twice as likely to experience a miscarriage because their bodies are not big enough to carry their babies to full term? And this is in the 21st century, in the country with the best pre-mature baby care in the world (the USA.)

How bad do you think it was in Arabia in the 7th century?

It's sex with children, think about it!

[trustworthyno1]

@TheRationalizer

Watch my video about 11 years girl delivering baby.

I have disabled comments because the people comment about her being well mature in a cheap way onmy channel.

So it is never about sex with children.

The girl in my video had to stop her studies.

[trustworthyno1]

@TheRationalizer

Older women also get more miscarriage and the Prophet married a GIRL who was 15 years and was of 40 at te time of marriage.

We get more anomalies in foetus for older women too.

At least that is not the case with younger generation.

That does not mean that they should not be given rights to marry and bear children.

[trustworthyno1]

@MrBowserWowser

That's the point.

One of the leader of Muslim army was only 16-17 years old after the Prophet's time and he won the war !

People used to get mature earlier.

The men at 16-17 are studying in current time so cannot be given any responsibility that will put whole community in danger if not given on a responsible shoulder.

But in those days age was not the criteria it was the wisdom that meant, at whatever age it came.

[TheRationalizer]

@trustworthyno1

>People used to get mature earlier.

Females under the age of 14 are *twice* as likely to experience a miscarriage. This is due to the fact that the female often gives birth to premature babies - and this is in the USA in the 21st century, the country with THE best premature baby care in the world.

It would have been much worse 1400 years ago.

[trustworthyno1]

@MrBowserWowser

Marriage as early as age 7, which was considered the “age of reason”, or directly after puberty was the norm for the vast majority of all human society even until the 19th century.

womhist . alexanderstreet . com /teacher/aoc . htm

Visit the website after removing spaces

[trustworthyno1]

@MrBowserWowser

/watch?v=KEwmfIgSQQU

Early procreation was a necessity for human survival. Lifespan ranged from 20 to 30 years,due to high death rates.Even until the 18th century, 8 children were still needed by each fertile wife just to maintain the population So, whether one believes this instinct resulted from evolution, or part of God’s plan, procreation after puberty in history was natural and acceptable.

[Lorientalist]

@MrBowserWowser

Paedophilia is a very specific mental disorder - I suspect you mean Child Marriage and Child Molestation, and as for those, I have no idea. Perhaps there are some statistics somewhere.

[ProgressiveAudio]

@Lorientalist Is that picture (which I think was taken in Palestine) with the 20-30 something men with little 5 to 6 or so brides holding their hands real? Just curious if you know

[Lorientalist]

@ProgressiveAudio

To the extent of my knowledge, they were bridesmaids, the sisters of the grooms.

[ProgressiveAudio]

@Lorientalist Interesting. I wonder if the infamous image of the girl in pink clothes near a much larger and older man in a turban, which is also portrayed as as child marriage, is fake. 

[trustworthyno1]

@ProgressiveAudio The Prophet peace be upon him used to sleep on the lap of Aisha Sahih Bukhari 8.827: Narrated `Aisha: Abu Bakr came to me while Allah's Apostle was sleeping with his head on my thigh. Abu Bakr said (to me), "You have detained Allah's Apostle and the people, and there is no water in this place." So he admonished me and struck my flanks with his hand, and nothing could stop me from moving except the reclining of Allah's Apostle (on my thigh), ...

[ProgressiveAudio]

@trustworthyno1 Eww

[trustworthyno1]

Which Hadith of Bukhari you are referring to at 14:14?

The Bukhari 7:62 :63 are full chapters

7.62:

Narrated `Aisha:

(regarding His Statement): 'They ask your instruction

concerning the women. Say: Allah instructs you about them ...'

( 4.127) It is about the female orphan who is under the

guardianship of a man with whom she shares her property ..... So Allah forbade such a guardian to do so (i.e. to prevent her from marrying).

Where does this Hadith asks to marry prepubertal girls?

[Lorientalist]

@trustworthyno1

All of my sources can be found in the discription box.

[CorporalNym]

(Loved "Hot button" issue but not quite in this context !)

So the ersatz prophet by permission of his non existent god sanctions sexual abuse of underage girls. You couldn't make it up. Mohammed a seventh century David Koresh.

[Lorientalist]

@AtheismTV & @NinetytoFirst

I'm remaking all of my old videos in HD Widescreen - I only had a couple of videos up anyway, so I thought I might as well remaster them before commencing with my future projects.

[Drgamedood]

I wonder if DawahFilms is going to respond to this video by defending pedophilia. It wouldn't surprise me.

[Lorientalist]

@Drgamedood

This video actually originated as a response to Kevin, but I realised that it could be a valuable resource in and of itself. Once I have completed my videos on 'A'yshiah and Child Marriage in Islamic Law, I will have three solid sources to reference to on the subject.

[Drgamedood]

@Lorientalist I see. Btw, have you seen antybu86's video called "The Child Raping Prophet"?

[Lorientalist]

@Drgamedood

I have indeed - I will use a clip from his video in a rebuttal to DawahFilms on the subject

[AtheismTV]

Wait a second, didn't you talk about this before though?

[NinetytoFirst]

@AtheismTV It seems he's re-uploading his videos. I don't know why. Maybe he mentioned something about it on his YouTube channel page or his twitter or something.

[AtheismTV]

Dude, you always forget to add this on the blog... This is pure gold!