great project, I am sure you got an A and are on the greater things. I am trying to do the same thing, and have figured out how to deal with the range sensors for the horizontal to control the pitch and roll servos. My question is: how did you tap into the dual motor coaxial electronics to allow you to control the altitude? I know this comment is very late and you probably are not even monitoring anymore, but if you are, please let me know. thanks
This is a much better way to go than when I tried this in college. My team decided to use a standard RC helicopter (ie all controls mimic those in a life size helicopter). We had 11 weeks to complete the project, and failed pretty utterly. Your helicopter takes much of the annoying aspects of actually flying a helicopter away from the code you write, so that you can focus more on control. Well done. Now all it needs are a couple 20mm cannons.
@rcguy4373 I'm in flight school now and I haven't worked on this project any further. Some students at USNA continued the project in 2009, and I believe they added the ability for the helo to turn 90 degrees down new hallways!
@amoney59 To bad you were not able to work at this. I have made a lot of break throughs on this. I've made alot of money on this idea And im working on ai.There's not much more i can say about it though. Good luck in flight training.
Nice, this coaxial helis are the best cheap elegant solution to test an auto pilot device.
The comercial gadget for CP Helis is cost +- $500 "Helicommand ", have you any reference or tutorials for replications? see this interesting link watch?v=l1oEm0J90nw
how much coding went into the PIC? i have just recently got a pic programmer, i would love to do something like this! can you still manually control it?
~5 pages of code. The helicopter can still be controlled manually. When the channel 5 knob at the top of the controller is turned down, the PIC simply sends the same signals that come in to the receiver to the actuators. When the knob is turned up, the helicopter operates itself.
It's a coaxial helicopter with a fly bar, so it does a great job of keeping itself balanced. We didn't add any accelerometers to the helicopter! It does have a built in controller that uses a gyro to measure rotation. This is used to prevent the body of the helicopter from rotating around the shaft (when turning is not desired).
The gyro signal only goes to the built-in, stock motor controller. The PIC microcontroller, which we added, only receives the ultrasonic and infrared sensor signals.
Actually, the CX2 has pitch control. (Yaw and rudder are the same thing.) A swashplate tilts the lower rotor, rolling the heli forward and back and from side to side.
The Blade cx2 is great because it's a coaxial helicopter. The two blades and flybar make it inherently stable - you don't have to worry about it pitching or rolling while the blades are rotating (assuming no other controls are given). However, it does have a gyro to detect yaw.
coaxial helicopters have no servos, the nose direction (yaw)is controlled for the 2 rotors speed difference (each rotor have a separate motor), and the ruder is controlled for a tail horizontal propeller that allows the hely moves forward or backwards :)
Point of correction: the blade cx2 has 2 servos, one controls elevator (nose up/down) and the other controls aileron. You can fly the blade cx2 forward/backward, left and right. it's a 4-channel heli
Your 3-channel coaxial works by rotor speed differential for heading, and a pitch blade on the back for forward and backward. The Blade CX2 has true cyclic pitch control on the bottom rotor, and can move in all 6 directions, with 4-channels control. This makes it an excellent platform for experiments such as this one.
We first determined that the Blade could carry about 55g of extra weight. The parts we added are VERY lightweight - less than 25g of additional weight. The helicopter is still very agile.
I have noticed that the blades are pretty stiff on their attachments.. If you loose the bolts that hold them a little, you will have way more stable flight. and avoid the wobbling.( i am not shure however if the wobling is a rezult of "scaning" or just mechanical) I know this from experience i have similar helly. and had this problem when changed the blades and screw them a little too tight . The blades have to be able to find their way trough the air which compensates for the wobbling
Absolutely Fabulous! 5 Stars! I spent some time with UAV design after 33 years in Marine Corps Aviation and still am involved. I have forwarded your video to a few engineers. I commend you for your work and your military duty.
guy at 1:50 was like dude Thats BADASS!
BennettLogan23 5 months ago
Now do that with a Raptor 90 hehehe, great work guys!
fernando13e 9 months ago
great project, I am sure you got an A and are on the greater things. I am trying to do the same thing, and have figured out how to deal with the range sensors for the horizontal to control the pitch and roll servos. My question is: how did you tap into the dual motor coaxial electronics to allow you to control the altitude? I know this comment is very late and you probably are not even monitoring anymore, but if you are, please let me know. thanks
RStephenLegge 11 months ago
This is a much better way to go than when I tried this in college. My team decided to use a standard RC helicopter (ie all controls mimic those in a life size helicopter). We had 11 weeks to complete the project, and failed pretty utterly. Your helicopter takes much of the annoying aspects of actually flying a helicopter away from the code you write, so that you can focus more on control. Well done. Now all it needs are a couple 20mm cannons.
msghazi 1 year ago
Can you list all the components that you used?
Veo77 1 year ago
Like a Helicomand, but much more better.
Iljadinovits 1 year ago
so where you at with this project now?
rcguy4373 1 year ago
@rcguy4373 I'm in flight school now and I haven't worked on this project any further. Some students at USNA continued the project in 2009, and I believe they added the ability for the helo to turn 90 degrees down new hallways!
amoney59 1 year ago
@amoney59 To bad you were not able to work at this. I have made a lot of break throughs on this. I've made alot of money on this idea And im working on ai.There's not much more i can say about it though. Good luck in flight training.
rcguy4373 1 year ago
Really great stuff Amoney, I like the vid. keep up the great work, 5 stars
CrazyHeliDude 1 year ago
Hooyah Blade. I just bought one today Im at CID Corry Station.
Screendoor8 2 years ago
i was the 10,900 viewer of this video! Yes!
Colemanski6712 2 years ago
WOW!! Thats cool!!
stickboy090681 2 years ago
thats so cool but why is he whereing his PJS?????
dangilliam 2 years ago
If you designed an autonomous helicopter, i think you can wear whatever you want.
darkslateblue 2 years ago
navy uniforms not PJs
1337H4KZ 2 years ago
hahaha under $50, this is why military research should be done in house, rather then by outsourcing...
These guys are brilliant
arg13415 3 years ago 8
This is GREAT!
And all those mods for under $70? dang! this is great.
UltiGamer101 3 years ago
Nice, this coaxial helis are the best cheap elegant solution to test an auto pilot device.
The comercial gadget for CP Helis is cost +- $500 "Helicommand ", have you any reference or tutorials for replications? see this interesting link watch?v=l1oEm0J90nw
alex681219 3 years ago
how much coding went into the PIC? i have just recently got a pic programmer, i would love to do something like this! can you still manually control it?
vanepico 3 years ago
~5 pages of code. The helicopter can still be controlled manually. When the channel 5 knob at the top of the controller is turned down, the PIC simply sends the same signals that come in to the receiver to the actuators. When the knob is turned up, the helicopter operates itself.
wakeboarder4200 3 years ago
Wonderful project guys...I am trying to do something similar
I wonder if you guys can tell me for example how did you manage to make it balance...were you using an accelerometer...if so which one???
I am trying to look for a cheap and good accelerometer but all are something like $35+
what do you guys recomend
thank you guys
potobill 3 years ago
It's a coaxial helicopter with a fly bar, so it does a great job of keeping itself balanced. We didn't add any accelerometers to the helicopter! It does have a built in controller that uses a gyro to measure rotation. This is used to prevent the body of the helicopter from rotating around the shaft (when turning is not desired).
wakeboarder4200 3 years ago
so eventually you get readings from the gyro into the microcontroller in order to control this right right???
potobill 3 years ago
The gyro signal only goes to the built-in, stock motor controller. The PIC microcontroller, which we added, only receives the ultrasonic and infrared sensor signals.
wakeboarder4200 3 years ago
Sorry for asking so many questions...this is very interesting to me...LOL
potobill 3 years ago
I have another question...how did you get to control the pitch?????
did you use the sonar for this???
like measuring some type of angle or something????
potobill 3 years ago
Collective pitch is different to coaxial rotors, this helis have no pitch, just yaw and ruder
alex681219 3 years ago
Actually, the CX2 has pitch control. (Yaw and rudder are the same thing.) A swashplate tilts the lower rotor, rolling the heli forward and back and from side to side.
darkslateblue 2 years ago
dang nice can i have one sir?
jph701 3 years ago
absolutely amazing you should post a link to download your code and schematic. It make alot of people happy
CraZyCarl6212 3 years ago
Awesome!
HeliRyan 3 years ago
Hi!
How do you measure helicopters roll and pitch to hold it in a vertical poisition?
openrobotics 3 years ago
The Blade cx2 is great because it's a coaxial helicopter. The two blades and flybar make it inherently stable - you don't have to worry about it pitching or rolling while the blades are rotating (assuming no other controls are given). However, it does have a gyro to detect yaw.
amoney59 3 years ago
And what about control laws? How do you control servos to move forward? How do you determine this laws?
openrobotics 3 years ago
One more question. How about altitude holding?
It's a PID or more advanced algorithm? How do you determine coefficients?
openrobotics 3 years ago
coaxial helicopters have no servos, the nose direction (yaw)is controlled for the 2 rotors speed difference (each rotor have a separate motor), and the ruder is controlled for a tail horizontal propeller that allows the hely moves forward or backwards :)
alex681219 3 years ago
Point of correction: the blade cx2 has 2 servos, one controls elevator (nose up/down) and the other controls aileron. You can fly the blade cx2 forward/backward, left and right. it's a 4-channel heli
Smasher77th 3 years ago
tks... for your correction!, I have a 3ch coaxial and thinks that works in the same way, but not :)
alex681219 3 years ago
Your 3-channel coaxial works by rotor speed differential for heading, and a pitch blade on the back for forward and backward. The Blade CX2 has true cyclic pitch control on the bottom rotor, and can move in all 6 directions, with 4-channels control. This makes it an excellent platform for experiments such as this one.
jasmine2501 3 years ago
That is badass!
mcgmark 3 years ago
thats great, the only question i have is how did u increase the weight of the heli and have it not affect thecontrol and mobility???
js21392 3 years ago
We first determined that the Blade could carry about 55g of extra weight. The parts we added are VERY lightweight - less than 25g of additional weight. The helicopter is still very agile.
amoney59 3 years ago
This is completely amazing!!
acicuecalo 3 years ago
I have noticed that the blades are pretty stiff on their attachments.. If you loose the bolts that hold them a little, you will have way more stable flight. and avoid the wobbling.( i am not shure however if the wobling is a rezult of "scaning" or just mechanical) I know this from experience i have similar helly. and had this problem when changed the blades and screw them a little too tight . The blades have to be able to find their way trough the air which compensates for the wobbling
irusev 3 years ago
Absolutely Fabulous! 5 Stars! I spent some time with UAV design after 33 years in Marine Corps Aviation and still am involved. I have forwarded your video to a few engineers. I commend you for your work and your military duty.
(Did you ever see my USS Midway Tribute Video?)
Best regards <<<x)))
NightFlyyer 3 years ago 2