@MrGoodNKinky The vast majority of historians who have actually done research, not just on the Internet, believe Jesus did exist. There are a few who dispute it but it is generally agreed he did exist. But I suppose you must have more materials and know how available to you than actual scholars?
No Historian from as early as the 1800's considered Jesus Christ to be a Historical Figure!
Christians still try to use Josephus as an eye witness even though it was PROVEN his book Antiquities of the Jews Volume 18 Chapter 3 Section 3 was NOT written by him but was in fact Christian FRAUD!
There are Multiple reasons for this.
1. Is in that book Josephus uses the word ROMANS 14 times! The word Gentiles only appears once!
That place was Surprise Surprise Chapter 3 Section 3!
In Chapter 4 he goes back to using ROMANS!
Additionally a JEW wouldn't have called him the Christ as that is a RELIGIOUS TITLE which means Messiah! A JEW wouldn't believe in such!
Additionally if there would have been as claimed TEN THOUSAND other wonderful things WHY does Josephus spend far more time talking about a SEX SCANDAL in Section 4 then on those Wonderful things?
And FYI in All of the 18 VOLUMES of the Antiquities of the Jews by Josephus the story of Jesus is only in One TINY paragraph which was proven to be FRAUD!
Think about it in 18 VOLUMES Josephus himself NEVER wrote about a God man Jew?
If you want to make claims of those Great Scholars how about NAMING THEM!
If they are SO GREAT clearly I can review their work!
@MrGoodNKinky Your information is incorrect. I will assume you are badly quoting James Strange in saying there was no Nazareth until 300 ad. This is not what he said. It is not mentioned in Jewish literature until 300 ad which notes a lack of prominence or importance. Archaologist have found settlements in the valley dating back to 9000 bc.
The Biggest problem with Rabbi Yehoshua ben Perachyah is he was around in c. 100 B.C.E.
100 Years TO SOON!
There was another Yeishu ben Pandeira also known as Yeishu ha-Notzri.
It is important to note that Yeishu ha-Notzri is not an historical Jesus since modern Christianity denies any connection between Jesus and Yeishu and moreover, parts of the Jesus myth are based on other historical people besides Yeishu.
You are simply LYING about having a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with a Jesus
The skimpy information contained in the Baraitas is as follows: Rabbi Yehoshua ben Perachyah once repelled Yeishu with both hands. People believed that Yeishu was a sorcerer and they considered him to be a person who had led the Jews astray.
As a result of charges brought against him (the details of which are not known, but which probably involved high treason) Yeishu was stoned and his body hung up on the eve of Passover.
I have done extensive research on this and can prove where the Christian Jesus is a product of Ignorance regarding Hebrew & the combining of multiple people and myths common to that time.
Your Claim of having a Personal Relationship is one that frankly is common Christian Lying! It is impossible to have a Personal Relationship with someone you do not Personally know and have never Personal Met!
Lies don't prove your claims they only destroy your credibility!
@MrGoodNKinky His name was Jesus of Nazareth. Last names were not common in his time, it was more likely that one would be titled as so and so of a place or so and so son of so and so.
@MrGoodNKinky My evidence stems from personal experience. A) seeing the contrast between the lives of people who have a personal relationship with God and those that don't (B) the almost immediate change in attitude and outlook I received when I accepted Jesus Christ.
@MrGoodNKinky Correct. I don't believe in heaven/hell, I believe in the grave and the kingdom of god. But I didn't ask if you would believe, just if you would hate the religion so actively of that were the predominant belief in it. I don't oppose rights for anyone. And I don't believe you can scare people to believing in Jesus either.
My hate of religion goes far deeper then just stupid fantasy stories. It relates directly with the damage that it causes socially.
I find it amusing you claim to not believe in a heaven or hell but you buy into the grace bullshit and the stupid god notion. Upon what evidence do you base those ideas?
There must be evidence to support a belief otherwise the belief is as meaningless as that of santa claus, the tooth fairy or easter bunny. You may like them but what's the point.
@MrGoodNKinky What if I told you that the doctrine of hell was a myth and created through mistranslation of scripture? What if the truth was that all men would be reconciled with God and redeemed by grace? Would you still hate Christianity?
By-the-way, Jesus loves you very much! That doesn't mean get mad at me for sharing love.
I just want to say, all the "Christians" who say "God hates You" or claiming god hates anyone are sadly the same as who their condemning, Jesus died for us all! no matter who we are! Jesus loves us all! Because of their choices, the faithful followers of Jesus are prosecuted. But, worst of all, it turns people away. Anyway, God bless you guys!!
Your desire to cling to a Scapegoating mindset is all to common with Christians. There is No Love in Demanding someone Believe / Think as you say at the threat of torture.
Clearly you don't know your bible because it is stated very clearly that your God Hates!
Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
And before you try making up bullshit about that word Hated it is the Greek word mis-eh'-o meaning to detest!
Mal. 1:2-5 Malachi's sermons literally disputatious, like a court room. This disputatious shows that God loves Israel. 1:3 Love and hate form a polar word pair in OT legal and prophetic texts(see deut.7:9-10; Amos 5:15), often used to describe the a broken covenant relationship. Here, God says that he rejected Esau(and his descendants, the Edomites). Esau had despised and rejected covenant relationship with the Lord(Gen. 25-34; 26:34-35)...
@MrGoodNKinky The Jew's were God's nation until they turned their backs on him, So Jesus came and died to make the world God's nation. All who follow Christ are God's people(Galatians 3:28). Your tribal view comes from most 1st world country churches, who have everything and forget the whole point in church. They seem to spend all their time and money on themselves. I agree with you there. God is no fantasy. If you truly believe there is no evidence, why bother with me?
@MrGoodNKinky Our God does love all, the reason Jesus came was to eliminate the fact that the Jews were God's own nation. Israel was chosen to be God's nation as an example for all other nations so that they could see how to live. But, Israel failed(as is the way of man) So Jesus came to take the place of all the sacrifice. And, It's not my claim. I can see that we're both ignorant and have our views. I just want to show you another perspective to your view.
@MrGoodNKinky ...I never once demanded anyone believe or think the same as me. God hates the sins not the sinner! Before Jesus died, there was no way to be right in God's eyes, so God's anger did not go unnoticed(Sodom and Gamora, Jericho, Moses, King David and the house for the arch.). Now that Jesus has balanced the scale, there's no need for anger and death. I hope this sheds a bit of light(:
@MrGoodNKinky John 3:16 shows us the loves God has for us and that by know Jesus died for us all and believing in that endless love we are free forever. This world says that we need all kinds of money and schooling to be "successful". Also, This world looks at anyone who says differently as "wrong" Hmmmm thought crime? Freewill ends where God's plan begins. I'm sorry if you can't see the freedom there is in God and the lack of freedom in all else.
@MrGoodNKinky Well, thank you for calling me pure evil! That's a nice respectful touch.
Anyway, We were made for God. But, we have the choice to embrace him and let go of the world or continue on our own path. We're doomed to destruction on our own. and Hell isn't necessarily torture. I see that you've been hurt by the church and what not. Not every church is like this. Don't throw a group of people in a box and call them all one thing. we live with our sins and struggle.
I am honest and clearly you don't grasp the reality that threatening someone with torture if they do not THINK like you is Pure Evil! Yet you do that very thing and try to pass it off as Love!
There is No Love in telling others what THOUGHTS they must have!
The Christian Church TORTURED & MURDERED people for nearly 1,000 Years!
When the CHRISTIAN RELIGION was in control of the Government!
@MrGoodNKinky How have I threatened? I have never forced a thought into your head.
I have already acknowledged the churches. That was man not God or what God said.
Besides I didn't come on here to convert you. just try to bring a new understanding to you. But, it seems in your animosity you have completely shut out anyone who says "I believe in Jesus". I just want to let you know, Christ isn't who you think he might be.
@MrGoodNKinky All of those are committed by man. not God. The Law(old testament) was rendered useless when Jesus died. No one demanded human sacrifice. Jesus was more than human; He was God in the flesh.
@MrGoodNKinky All of those are committed by man. not God. The Law(old testament) was rendered unneeded when Jesus died. No one demanded human sacrifice. Jesus was more than human; He was God in the flesh. So, he gave us the FREE gift of salvation. It's for you and me man. You don't have to embrace him. It's your call. Revelations 3:20
@DylanWOWilliams False! Clearly you never read your bible! ALL of them were done by your God or ORDERED to be done by Your God! Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth You want to blame MAN for what your bible clearly says was Your GOD! No one can pay for what you do but YOU! Salvation is nothing but SCAPEGOATING! You want to act like THINKING there was a Jesus can wipe away all the bad shit you do to others! IT CAN'T! GROW UP!
@MrGoodNKinky If you want to quote scripture then read through it. Gen. 6 is the story of Noah. In Noah's day the earth had completely turned away from God except for Noah. Gen. 6:4-8, Noah showed God that man would still love Him. God was against and is against murder. All that you seem to think is such, may not be.
@MrGoodNKinky Do you at all remember the "Bare with me" part?
The Canaanite and the Jews(amongst others) came from the same region. That's why the Old Testament is full of God have to set the Israelite's straight and casting out idols.
@MrGoodNKinky And because the old governments had the wrong idea and killed people for differences, doesn't mean that's the views of the church. God doesn't demand we love him, in fact he loves us and let's us choose to love him back Rev. 3:20. Christianity is about following Jesus and loving. I'm sorry all you see is the mistakes man has made. We're not perfect and need to realize we aren't without blame, and justice needs to be done, only God can cast that judgement....
@MrGoodNKinky Jesus taught in parables. We aren't literally seeds or sheep. Nor is Satan a crow. The Lord doesn't mean you to literally cut off your hand. Jesus payed for what we do because We cannot! You're so angry with the church because some may go to hell. Jesus died so those who believe in him will not. It's a gift!
I am asking YOU since YOU are the one making the claim.
The burden of Proving Your claim rests on YOU!
Your Claims of Jesus are simply bullshit. In fact
The Jewish philosopher, Philo of Alexandria (c. 30 B.C.E - 45 C.E.), warned against the widespread superstitious belief in unions between male gods and human females which returned women to a state of virginity.
@MrGoodNKinky No, I asked you to ask Him for proof and understand that I'm not here to attack you but to show you that, maybe, there's something more to this. So, Ask Him. He is very real and in time will show himself to you.
God did not engage in sexual intercourse or marriage with any woman.
@MrGoodNKinky Talk to Him as you type or do laundry. No time wasted. If you really want proof, the just do it(: That simple.
Also, I like how you only mention Nordic gods and Zeus.
And Really? You're flabbergasted why I only teach what I believe? I wouldn't tell anyone that Odin exists because I believe with all my heart that Jesus is the King of kings! I'm not falling back on my God.
@DylanWOWilliams Wanting to pin your "Sins" or what i would call you Screw Ups on a mythical figure is wanting to not take personal responsibility for your actions! There is no way you can get around this. Some things can't be fixed by saying you're sorry or asking too be forgiven. 1. BURNING SOMEONE ALIVE! (Done by Christians for nearly 1,000 Years! 2. Murder 3. Rape 4. Child Abuse 5. Abuse of a Wife / Partner 6. Cheating on a Wife / Partner Just to name a Few!
@MrGoodNKinky Think, if Jesus is real; than he forgives everything and helps you repay the ones on earth you've hurt. He forgives you and helps you become new. All things can be forgiven, there is no place for grudges and unhealed wounds. Just because a group of people from years before were terribly wrong, doesn't wee we all are(hence the need for grace)
@MrGoodNKinky How can you disprove something that has "no" proof against it or for it? God simply is.
"helps you repay the ones on earth you've hurt" Spit on what you want. Just calm down. I'm not going to fight. I just want you to know all that I said. You've done a good job of ignoring any new point I've made. I can see all your points. Maybe it is "scapegoating" and maybe it is Salvation. Point is before I fell in love I was terrible. Now, I'm trying to share love with you.
@MrGoodNKinky If you don't care, then stop insulting where my heart is. Spit on what ever it is you want.
Jesus didn't teach any of this, there for Christians shouldn't as well, but lots do. So why don't you forgive them and understand that your shouting isn't getting anybody anywhere. They're never going to change, they're to ignorant to listen. Hmmmm
@MrGoodNKinky ....Justice isn't up to us. It's up to God. We aren't blameless! Jesus made a way for us to be forgiven and help us do away with our sins. We are "slave" by choice. It's his grace that made us free, so we choose to let his plan unfold in our lives.
@MrGoodNKinky We don't expect or deserve it! But He extended his grace to us! because we can't do it on our own! If you tried to take down the blinds and step out from yourself, you'll see that repeatedly I have tried to explain that there is no torture, scapegoat, injustice, or any anger. Jesus loves you! I have not once thought "This man should be tortured!". My intentions are just to show you, You might have the wrong idea about God. You have the right idea about man. We are corrupt and evil.
@MrGoodNKinky All Proverbs 17:15 says is, "He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the LORD." It just shows that we can't hold on man above the other. 1 John 5:17 reminds us that God judges all sin the same, and all sins are an abomination. Romans 1:17 This Good News tells us how God makes us right in his sight. This is accomplished from start to finish by faith. As the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.”
@MrGoodNKinky There is no Justification for us(again, the need for grace). No, I'm right in God's eyes, that's not enough, so I give my life to him for all my transgretions! Not because I was told to or have to, bur because I see the complete love Jesus had and I want to reflect that!
Jesus was 100% innocent! That's why we he could save us! To balance the scale! He didn't deserve his murder and we don't deserve the redemption because of it!
If you aren't then you haven't given your life over to Anything but rather are doing stupid games to try and PLAY ACT like you are good and everything you do is EXCUSED!
You do not have Balance by being a Puppet to some Entity POSSESSING YOU!
@MrGoodNKinky YES! :D Jesus lives in our hearts and guides our steps. He is the light in all that we see! So, yes! I am a slave to Jesus Christ. But, I am a son of the Living God. Often, I get caught up in myself and trip and God picks me back up. I may be delusional, but at least I don't insult people(:
"God makes us right in his sight" This is NOT JUSTICE!
Giving a LOOPHOLE to assholes that go around trying to use FEAR & THREATS as a means of Control over others and acting like mouthing words of how you Repent to a Jesus magically makes it all better.
It doesn't!
You can't act any old way you want then look to use your SCAPEGOAT to get away with abusing others!
Your Faith and stupid book do Not matter!
What you DO and how you Treat others is what matters!
@MrGoodNKinky "What you DO and how you Treat others is what matters!" If so, stop attacking me because I love God. Stop cussing at me. All I've done here is present the other side of your argument in hopes to bring understanding not "Threaten" or use "Fear" against you. Not once have I condemned you. I've been saying I'm only here to show you some new views, but you keep shooting anything I say down. So, What you DO and how you Treat others is what matters. Respect(: Thank you.
@MrGoodNKinky No, I would love the opportunity to help out this person. If not lead them to God's loving arms, then just to help them with this horrible lifestyle of murder and rape. All mankind has the capacity to change. And I 100% believe in giving all I have for those who need it. I'm here to serve rather than to receive.
"Proof" means it is impossible to find any exception in all of time and space regarding a particular statement of fact. We cannot do that. So you don't believe anything? I'm sorry.
I get it. Can you get that I have felt God and have seen overwhelming evidence of him. We'll see if there's proof when we meet him after death.
God did do it, doesn't mean I don't want to know how. All the churches in past years were blinded by religion not love. Jesus spoke against religion and taught love.That's why I follow him. The idea to take judgment, punishment, or life and death into their hands is insane!
You're right about the "click" thing. Church is the people and the fellowship in that.
Hell is simply an eternity without God, not torture. And God will do what he does best. We can't say who goes where.
@MrGoodNKinky Mark 9:43-48 What Jesus conveys by these warnings is that no sin is worth going to hell for. It's better to repent-- even if repenting is as painful as cutting off a hand, foot, or eye-- than to suffer in hell.
So, do you take everything so literal? Jesus wasn't actually a lamb. 1 Cor. 6:20 simply tells us that He gave everything! So we should honor that. Paul is simply applying Jesus' teachings to the Galatians. All this gives reason fo Justice and I account for all I've done.
No i'm not a fucking retard quote on quote. You're using the same scare tactics. You are using derogatory language and trying to end the argument, MrGoodNKinky.
@MrGoodNKinky, I AM NOT DICTATING FUCKING BULLSHIT TO SOMEBODY THAT IS TRYING TO BE BADASS USING CURSING, LIES, AND REALLY SICK THINKING, YOU REALLY JUST PISSED ME OFF, MRGOODNKINKY.
@MrGoodNKinky, if you don't believe in religion, why are you trying to convert specifically Christians to atheism. You're treating this like a religion. I will let you think about it.
@MrGoodNKinky, okay then, i was in a very abusive home and i was too weak in faith to walk out the door, but after three years, my prayers, was answered, im in a loving home and out of harms way.
@MrGoodNKinky, look at the conversation! It's a mile long, about us two trying to convert each other. Sorry about the anger directed towards you. Religion is what works for me, atheism works for you.
@MrGoodNKinky, no, i told you i' sorry for showing bitterness, which is forsaken by the Bible, i was wrong on doing something foolish, and i am willing to accept that.
If you seriously believe Atheists have no moral center then explain why I strongly Oppose the torture of others and you excuse it so long as it is done by your Deity!
Try explaining how it is somehow Moral for Christian's to engage in Scare Tactics and Praise the torture of non believers!
Last time i checked in order to claim to have morals one must behavior Morally!
Show me what i have done evil that was against you other than putting up an argument. I'm not using fear to spread a message, im just saying something that clearly you're too stuborn to see yourself.
Who said that all religious people (which includes me) use torture, rape, murder, dehumanization, blood-thirstiness, etc. I don't use those things to convert people.
If you have so much of a problem with me personally, then say it with as much venom as possible, besides time is valuable, you don't know when you are going to die.
why are you using sexual immorality to attract people to watch the vid, and then tell them to not fall for the boobs. Just saying something to consider. What you did was known as hypocrisy.
Dumbass IF you had actually watched the video you would see that the picture I used was from the answer to a Specific question. One which Directly related to that image!
@ MrGoodNKinky, there is no physical proof on how the universe came to exist or what I believe is correct, how life came to exist. This couldn't have happened by chance. It's like mike -3 Molly drawn in the sand on the beach. Intelligence had to have created that. Apply that to life and creation or whatever you believe.
@MrGoodNKinky, why are you cussing at the reply i gave you? I'm not in a tribe. And who said i didn't know that there was a difference between a consciousness (supposedly aliens from your thought) or a personal God (which i don't have, i have a God that is shared within the Christian community). And who said i was being pissed off.
@MrGoodNKinky The vast majority of historians who have actually done research, not just on the Internet, believe Jesus did exist. There are a few who dispute it but it is generally agreed he did exist. But I suppose you must have more materials and know how available to you than actual scholars?
effteedub92 1 day ago
@effteedub92
FALSE AGAIN!
You are clearly only talking about CHRISTIANS!
No Historian from as early as the 1800's considered Jesus Christ to be a Historical Figure!
Christians still try to use Josephus as an eye witness even though it was PROVEN his book Antiquities of the Jews Volume 18 Chapter 3 Section 3 was NOT written by him but was in fact Christian FRAUD!
There are Multiple reasons for this.
1. Is in that book Josephus uses the word ROMANS 14 times! The word Gentiles only appears once!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@effteedub92
That place was Surprise Surprise Chapter 3 Section 3!
In Chapter 4 he goes back to using ROMANS!
Additionally a JEW wouldn't have called him the Christ as that is a RELIGIOUS TITLE which means Messiah! A JEW wouldn't believe in such!
Additionally if there would have been as claimed TEN THOUSAND other wonderful things WHY does Josephus spend far more time talking about a SEX SCANDAL in Section 4 then on those Wonderful things?
Christians are reknown for LYING!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@effteedub92
And FYI in All of the 18 VOLUMES of the Antiquities of the Jews by Josephus the story of Jesus is only in One TINY paragraph which was proven to be FRAUD!
Think about it in 18 VOLUMES Josephus himself NEVER wrote about a God man Jew?
If you want to make claims of those Great Scholars how about NAMING THEM!
If they are SO GREAT clearly I can review their work!
Or are ALL of the CHRISTIANS!
You fucking LIAR!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
And I said it was not common to have a last name at the time and place. Most people did not
effteedub92 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky Your information is incorrect. I will assume you are badly quoting James Strange in saying there was no Nazareth until 300 ad. This is not what he said. It is not mentioned in Jewish literature until 300 ad which notes a lack of prominence or importance. Archaologist have found settlements in the valley dating back to 9000 bc.
effteedub92 1 day ago
And to clarify, they were not common in his time and place. Last names are largely seen in ancient Rome and the far east in ancient times.
effteedub92 1 day ago
@effteedub92
The Biggest problem with Rabbi Yehoshua ben Perachyah is he was around in c. 100 B.C.E.
100 Years TO SOON!
There was another Yeishu ben Pandeira also known as Yeishu ha-Notzri.
It is important to note that Yeishu ha-Notzri is not an historical Jesus since modern Christianity denies any connection between Jesus and Yeishu and moreover, parts of the Jesus myth are based on other historical people besides Yeishu.
You are simply LYING about having a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with a Jesus
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@effteedub92
The skimpy information contained in the Baraitas is as follows: Rabbi Yehoshua ben Perachyah once repelled Yeishu with both hands. People believed that Yeishu was a sorcerer and they considered him to be a person who had led the Jews astray.
As a result of charges brought against him (the details of which are not known, but which probably involved high treason) Yeishu was stoned and his body hung up on the eve of Passover.
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@effteedub92
That is the Closest to a Historical Jesus that exists!
However by all accounts that figure Yeishu was a Sorcerer and was Stoned to death NOT CRUCIFIED!
And further more there is No Record of ANYONE rising from the dead!
Nor any record of Zombies coming out of the ground!
Despite the bible claims of dead rising!
Can you stick to FACTS and not try using Bullshit?
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@effteedub92
I have done extensive research on this and can prove where the Christian Jesus is a product of Ignorance regarding Hebrew & the combining of multiple people and myths common to that time.
Your Claim of having a Personal Relationship is one that frankly is common Christian Lying! It is impossible to have a Personal Relationship with someone you do not Personally know and have never Personal Met!
Lies don't prove your claims they only destroy your credibility!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky His name was Jesus of Nazareth. Last names were not common in his time, it was more likely that one would be titled as so and so of a place or so and so son of so and so.
effteedub92 1 day ago
@effteedub92
FALSE!
There was no Nazareth until around 300 AD!'
The word Nazareth Didn't even Exist at that time!
Clearly your PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP is based on LIES not a PERSONAL anything!
The Hebrew name for Christians has always been Notzrim.
There was a man named Rabbi Yehoshua ben Perachyah
Which Proves Your There were no Last names garbage to be nothing but Christian IGNORANCE not fact!
However Christians have long denied that Rabbi Yehoshua ben Perachyah was the bible Jesus!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky My evidence stems from personal experience. A) seeing the contrast between the lives of people who have a personal relationship with God and those that don't (B) the almost immediate change in attitude and outlook I received when I accepted Jesus Christ.
effteedub92 1 day ago
@effteedub92
First of all you can't have a Personal Relationship with a Thought or Idea!
you can only have a PERSONAL Relationship with someone you PERSONALLY Know!
If you PERSONALLY know this God then Show Evidence for when this PERSONAL meeting occurred!
Otherwise that is simply Delusional Disorder not evidence of a God!
The Attitude change from a belief system / ideas can be seen in ANY Religion or even from the rejection of Religion!
So that is not proof of anything!
Try Again!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@effteedub92
Further more If you have a PERSONAL with this Jesus then give his Full REAL Historical Name!
It wouldn't be Jesus Christ since Christ is not a last name but a religious title! And one only Christians would accept!
So since you have a PERSONAL relationship with this fucker give his Real Full Name!
And Site your Source for that name as being the name of this Jesus.
Either way you must PROVE your claims!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky Correct. I don't believe in heaven/hell, I believe in the grave and the kingdom of god. But I didn't ask if you would believe, just if you would hate the religion so actively of that were the predominant belief in it. I don't oppose rights for anyone. And I don't believe you can scare people to believing in Jesus either.
effteedub92 2 days ago
@effteedub92
My hate of religion goes far deeper then just stupid fantasy stories. It relates directly with the damage that it causes socially.
I find it amusing you claim to not believe in a heaven or hell but you buy into the grace bullshit and the stupid god notion. Upon what evidence do you base those ideas?
There must be evidence to support a belief otherwise the belief is as meaningless as that of santa claus, the tooth fairy or easter bunny. You may like them but what's the point.
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky What if I told you that the doctrine of hell was a myth and created through mistranslation of scripture? What if the truth was that all men would be reconciled with God and redeemed by grace? Would you still hate Christianity?
effteedub92 2 days ago
@effteedub92
I would first say show Evidence to support your claim a God exists!
Then Show Evidence that it is Your God and not Odin, Zeus, Thor or any of the over 4,000 Gods worshiped in human history.
The burden of proof is on You!
The word Hell simply meant the Grave!
While the word Heaven simply meant The Sky!
Neither have any "Spiritual" meaning in Hebrew or Greek!
You Must Prove your claims are true not just claim them!
MrGoodNKinky 2 days ago
@effteedub92
What I hate about Christianity is the desire to push your ideas on the rest of the world.
Look at what is going on in society now.
Christians want to deny Equal Rights to a group of people based entirely upon Sexual Orientation!
In 2012 We are actually having people Vote on HUMAN RIGHTS!
And the only ones who oppose it are Christians / religious people!
And you think it is just about your stupid use of threats?
No it is about how you people treat others that disagree with you!
MrGoodNKinky 2 days ago
By-the-way, Jesus loves you very much! That doesn't mean get mad at me for sharing love.
I just want to say, all the "Christians" who say "God hates You" or claiming god hates anyone are sadly the same as who their condemning, Jesus died for us all! no matter who we are! Jesus loves us all! Because of their choices, the faithful followers of Jesus are prosecuted. But, worst of all, it turns people away. Anyway, God bless you guys!!
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@DylanWOWilliams
Your desire to cling to a Scapegoating mindset is all to common with Christians. There is No Love in Demanding someone Believe / Think as you say at the threat of torture.
Clearly you don't know your bible because it is stated very clearly that your God Hates!
Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
And before you try making up bullshit about that word Hated it is the Greek word mis-eh'-o meaning to detest!
MrGoodNKinky 2 days ago
@MrGoodNKinky Romans 9:13 Paul is quoting Malachi 1:2-3
Mal. 1:2-5 Malachi's sermons literally disputatious, like a court room. This disputatious shows that God loves Israel. 1:3 Love and hate form a polar word pair in OT legal and prophetic texts(see deut.7:9-10; Amos 5:15), often used to describe the a broken covenant relationship. Here, God says that he rejected Esau(and his descendants, the Edomites). Esau had despised and rejected covenant relationship with the Lord(Gen. 25-34; 26:34-35)...
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@DylanWOWilliams
Your God can't Love ALL and Hate some!
Your God CAN'T PLAY FAVORITES!
That is Not Loving ALL!
You are a TRIBAL religion and your God is a TRIBAL fantasy figure!
There is No EVIDENCE your God even exists!
But just going by your bible your God is a Mass Murdering, Narcissistic, Sociopathic, Maniac!
MrGoodNKinky 2 days ago
@MrGoodNKinky The Jew's were God's nation until they turned their backs on him, So Jesus came and died to make the world God's nation. All who follow Christ are God's people(Galatians 3:28). Your tribal view comes from most 1st world country churches, who have everything and forget the whole point in church. They seem to spend all their time and money on themselves. I agree with you there. God is no fantasy. If you truly believe there is no evidence, why bother with me?
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@DylanWOWilliams
The Entire Premise of the Jew's being this God's nation shows even in your own bullshit ideas your God DOESN'T LOVE ALL!
HE PLAYS FAVORITES JUST LIKE A SICK ABUSIVE PARENT!
A Good Parent Doesn't play favorites with their children!
YOUR GOD DOES WHICH MEANS YOU DO!
If you want to assert your God is no fantasy then SHOW EVIDENCE that it exists!
PROVE YOUR CLAIM!
Something isn't true just because you say it!
You must show EVIDENCE to support your claim!
MrGoodNKinky 2 days ago
@MrGoodNKinky Our God does love all, the reason Jesus came was to eliminate the fact that the Jews were God's own nation. Israel was chosen to be God's nation as an example for all other nations so that they could see how to live. But, Israel failed(as is the way of man) So Jesus came to take the place of all the sacrifice. And, It's not my claim. I can see that we're both ignorant and have our views. I just want to show you another perspective to your view.
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@MrGoodNKinky ...I never once demanded anyone believe or think the same as me. God hates the sins not the sinner! Before Jesus died, there was no way to be right in God's eyes, so God's anger did not go unnoticed(Sodom and Gamora, Jericho, Moses, King David and the house for the arch.). Now that Jesus has balanced the scale, there's no need for anger and death. I hope this sheds a bit of light(:
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@DylanWOWilliams
John 3:16 Does Demand people Believe (THINK) a certain way.
This is called THOUGHT CRIME!
And Only TYRANTS engage in THOUGHT CRIME!
Also to Covet is to THINK you like what someone has and your God is against that!
MORE THOUGHT CRIME!
You do not even have Freedom of THOUGHT let alone FREEWILL!
MrGoodNKinky 2 days ago
@MrGoodNKinky John 3:16 shows us the loves God has for us and that by know Jesus died for us all and believing in that endless love we are free forever. This world says that we need all kinds of money and schooling to be "successful". Also, This world looks at anyone who says differently as "wrong" Hmmmm thought crime? Freewill ends where God's plan begins. I'm sorry if you can't see the freedom there is in God and the lack of freedom in all else.
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@DylanWOWilliams
There is NO LOVE in Threats of TORTURE if someone doesn't THINK as you demand!
There is NO LOVE in DEMANDING HUMAN SACRIFICE To Forgive!
This is simply proof of why YOU ARE PURE EVIL!
MrGoodNKinky 2 days ago
@MrGoodNKinky Well, thank you for calling me pure evil! That's a nice respectful touch.
Anyway, We were made for God. But, we have the choice to embrace him and let go of the world or continue on our own path. We're doomed to destruction on our own. and Hell isn't necessarily torture. I see that you've been hurt by the church and what not. Not every church is like this. Don't throw a group of people in a box and call them all one thing. we live with our sins and struggle.
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@DylanWOWilliams
I am honest and clearly you don't grasp the reality that threatening someone with torture if they do not THINK like you is Pure Evil! Yet you do that very thing and try to pass it off as Love!
There is No Love in telling others what THOUGHTS they must have!
The Christian Church TORTURED & MURDERED people for nearly 1,000 Years!
When the CHRISTIAN RELIGION was in control of the Government!
That is what Christianity breeds!
Think as they demand or be BURNED ALIVE!
MrGoodNKinky 2 days ago
@MrGoodNKinky How have I threatened? I have never forced a thought into your head.
I have already acknowledged the churches. That was man not God or what God said.
Besides I didn't come on here to convert you. just try to bring a new understanding to you. But, it seems in your animosity you have completely shut out anyone who says "I believe in Jesus". I just want to let you know, Christ isn't who you think he might be.
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@MrGoodNKinky Thank you for the conversation! (:
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@DylanWOWilliams
Fundamentalists disgust me!
If you listened to this video you should've known my major objection to your religion is on MORAL & ETHICAL Grounds!
Christianity is all about Threats & FEAR because that is what the Cult is based on FEAR of your God Boogeyman!
MrGoodNKinky 2 days ago
@MrGoodNKinky The moral and ethical grounds are the same as yours. both are flawed. But, God's morals are pure.
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@DylanWOWilliams
Do you call Committing Genocide Twice before there was a LAW / Standard of determining what was good and evil as Moral?
Is it Moral to Harden someones heart so you can SLAUGHTER INNOCENT CHILDREN?
Is it Moral to say a woman that is raped must marry her rapist?
Is it Moral to Stone Children to death?
Is it Moral to Demand HUMAN SACRIFICE just so you can FORGIVE people?
None of those things are Moral but are in fact highly IMMORAL!
MrGoodNKinky 2 days ago
@MrGoodNKinky All of those are committed by man. not God. The Law(old testament) was rendered useless when Jesus died. No one demanded human sacrifice. Jesus was more than human; He was God in the flesh.
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@MrGoodNKinky All of those are committed by man. not God. The Law(old testament) was rendered unneeded when Jesus died. No one demanded human sacrifice. Jesus was more than human; He was God in the flesh. So, he gave us the FREE gift of salvation. It's for you and me man. You don't have to embrace him. It's your call. Revelations 3:20
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky If you want to quote scripture then read through it. Gen. 6 is the story of Noah. In Noah's day the earth had completely turned away from God except for Noah. Gen. 6:4-8, Noah showed God that man would still love Him. God was against and is against murder. All that you seem to think is such, may not be.
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
Actually if you look at History that story was originally the Epic of Gilgamesh!
A SUMERIAN Story! The Israelites Stole it as they did the ten commandments from the Egyptian book of the Dead Spell 125!
The Ancient Sumerians are the Oldest culture we have record of. They have over 100 Firsts!
Clearly You are Ignorant of History or where your bible stories come from!
There is No Evidence a Noah ever existed!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
Your God can't show that it is against Murder by engaging in GENOCIDE!
That would be like saying you are going to show that you oppose A Ted Bundy by acting like HITLER!
Clearly you are fucking crazy!
You do not show that you are better then others by acting WORSE then them!
IF your God is so much better then us why doesn't it ACT BETTER?
Demanding HUMAN SACRIFICE to forgive is something NO SANE PERSON DOES!
But your God DID!
AND YOU PRAISE IT!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky Bare with me here, assuming God is the god the bible says he is; would he not set the standard of sane, just, or good?
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
First of all you are making an Assumption based on ignorance!
You are Assuming Your God exists and that it is the ONLY one to exist.
However YOUR God comes from the Canaanite Pantheon.
However In that Pantheon there were multiple Gods!
You must Prove Not Assume but PROVE Your God exists while the others are just mythology!
The standard of what was good or Just was established in the Egyptian culture!
Clearly You are ASSUMING your religion is true!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky Do you at all remember the "Bare with me" part?
The Canaanite and the Jews(amongst others) came from the same region. That's why the Old Testament is full of God have to set the Israelite's straight and casting out idols.
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
There is No Freedom in THINK as you are ordered to or be tortured!
You can't even get REAL Love from putting a knife or gun to someones head and demanding they love you!
Yet This is EXACTLY what Christianity is all about!
EXTORTION!
INTIMIDATION!
&
SCAPEGOATING!
There is no Freedom in being a SLAVE!
MrGoodNKinky 2 days ago
@MrGoodNKinky And because the old governments had the wrong idea and killed people for differences, doesn't mean that's the views of the church. God doesn't demand we love him, in fact he loves us and let's us choose to love him back Rev. 3:20. Christianity is about following Jesus and loving. I'm sorry all you see is the mistakes man has made. We're not perfect and need to realize we aren't without blame, and justice needs to be done, only God can cast that judgement....
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@DylanWOWilliams
Christians like you are no different.
You Excuse Mark 9:43 - 48!
There is No JUSTICE in the Scapegoating of Pinning your "SINS" on a Jesus!
It is not JUSTICE to have a Jesus Pay for what you do!
your fucking God doesn't bring back a person that was Murdered if the killer repents!
You are all about SCAPEGOATING not JUSTICE!
And that Is PURE EVIL!
MrGoodNKinky 2 days ago
@MrGoodNKinky Jesus taught in parables. We aren't literally seeds or sheep. Nor is Satan a crow. The Lord doesn't mean you to literally cut off your hand. Jesus payed for what we do because We cannot! You're so angry with the church because some may go to hell. Jesus died so those who believe in him will not. It's a gift!
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@DylanWOWilliams
First of all Prove this Jesus existed!
Second Prove he was a Lord of any sort!
Give the REAL NAME of this Jesus figure!
There was No Nazareth until about 300 AD!
There is No Evidence to support the existence of your Jesus!
As for this Scapegoating bullshit how many times must I say it.
Expecting some mythical figure to wipe away what you have done is Not Moral, Ethical or wanting JUSTICE!
All you want is to avoid taking Personal Responsibility for what you do!
MrGoodNKinky 2 days ago
@MrGoodNKinky There is graffiti in Rome dated back to the time that Jesus walked the earth.
You're going to have to ask him for proof.
yeshu‘a is the Hebrew name, Iēsous is Greek, Iesus Latin, Jesus English.
I don't know much about Nazareth. But Galilee did exist. As did Naz's surrounding cities.
There is plenty of evidence to support Him.
I have personal responsibility. That is why I don't do the immoral actions you claim we do.
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@DylanWOWilliams
LMFAO
Site the source of this claim.
I am asking YOU since YOU are the one making the claim.
The burden of Proving Your claim rests on YOU!
Your Claims of Jesus are simply bullshit. In fact
The Jewish philosopher, Philo of Alexandria (c. 30 B.C.E - 45 C.E.), warned against the widespread superstitious belief in unions between male gods and human females which returned women to a state of virginity.
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky History. Look it up maybe, but don't be bias in your search.
I don't have to prove the Almighty God. Call to him. I don't have the means to prove an unfathomable being. Ask Him. He will answer.
I have no idea what Philo has to do with any of this.
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
LMFAO
You actually want me to ask a non existent being to explain why it doesn't exist. LMFAO!
That's like asking Superman, Batman, Spiderman or the X Men something!
Delusional conversations you have in your head are not evidence of anything but your mental illness!
Philo was a Jewish philosopher from 30 B.C.E - 45 C.E
He warned Against spreading the stories of superstitious belief in unions between male gods and human females!
Those were largely Pagan in origin!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky No, I asked you to ask Him for proof and understand that I'm not here to attack you but to show you that, maybe, there's something more to this. So, Ask Him. He is very real and in time will show himself to you.
God did not engage in sexual intercourse or marriage with any woman.
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
I don't talk to imaginary beings!
I don't talk to Superman, Batman, Spiderman or any other fantasy character!
Why would I waste my time trying to talk to something to which there is NO EVIDENCE even exists?
Have YOU tried talking to:
Odin, Zeus, Thor, Loki, Enki, Enlil, or any other of the 4,000 Gods worshiped in human history?
NO YOU ONLY PUSH THE ONE YOU THINK IS REAL!
However You have No EVIDENCE to support that claim!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky Talk to Him as you type or do laundry. No time wasted. If you really want proof, the just do it(: That simple.
Also, I like how you only mention Nordic gods and Zeus.
And Really? You're flabbergasted why I only teach what I believe? I wouldn't tell anyone that Odin exists because I believe with all my heart that Jesus is the King of kings! I'm not falling back on my God.
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky Think, if Jesus is real; than he forgives everything and helps you repay the ones on earth you've hurt. He forgives you and helps you become new. All things can be forgiven, there is no place for grudges and unhealed wounds. Just because a group of people from years before were terribly wrong, doesn't wee we all are(hence the need for grace)
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
Jesus is Not real and even if he was Your being "Forgiven" for hurting someone else Does NOTHING for them!
It does NOTHING to change what you did!
It doesn't magically make what you did not have happened!
Those you Hurt are not helped one fucking bit by your act of SCAPEGOATING!
It is IMMORAL & UNETHICAL to try and pass the buck of personal responsibility off on a mythical figure or ANYONE!
I SPIT IN THE FACE OF YOUR SCAPEGOATING BULLSHIT!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky How can you disprove something that has "no" proof against it or for it? God simply is.
"helps you repay the ones on earth you've hurt" Spit on what you want. Just calm down. I'm not going to fight. I just want you to know all that I said. You've done a good job of ignoring any new point I've made. I can see all your points. Maybe it is "scapegoating" and maybe it is Salvation. Point is before I fell in love I was terrible. Now, I'm trying to share love with you.
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
I don't have to disprove your God or any God exists. The burden of Proof is on YOU!
YOU are the one making the assertion that a God exists so YOU must proved EVIDENCE to support that claim!
I Spit in the face of your Religion which is fueled by Delusional Disorder!
I Spit in the face of SCAPEGOATING, MANIPULATION, INTIMIDATION, EXTORTION!
All of which is what your Religion is engaging in!
You are trying to spread your Mental Illness and I refuse to buy bullshit!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky If you don't care, then stop insulting where my heart is. Spit on what ever it is you want.
Jesus didn't teach any of this, there for Christians shouldn't as well, but lots do. So why don't you forgive them and understand that your shouting isn't getting anybody anywhere. They're never going to change, they're to ignorant to listen. Hmmmm
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky ....Justice isn't up to us. It's up to God. We aren't blameless! Jesus made a way for us to be forgiven and help us do away with our sins. We are "slave" by choice. It's his grace that made us free, so we choose to let his plan unfold in our lives.
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@DylanWOWilliams
Expecting someone else to Pay for what YOU DO is not wanting JUSTICE!
That is simply wanting a SCAPEGOAT!
You are wanting to be a Slave and to that I say FINE!
I do NOT and to that you think I SHOULD BE TORTURED!
The Good thing is there is NO EVIDENCE to support your evil mindset or stupid god concept!
It is Evil fantasies of Evil people like you that want a SCAPEGOAT to pay for what you do instead of being Responsible for your actions!
MrGoodNKinky 2 days ago
@MrGoodNKinky We don't expect or deserve it! But He extended his grace to us! because we can't do it on our own! If you tried to take down the blinds and step out from yourself, you'll see that repeatedly I have tried to explain that there is no torture, scapegoat, injustice, or any anger. Jesus loves you! I have not once thought "This man should be tortured!". My intentions are just to show you, You might have the wrong idea about God. You have the right idea about man. We are corrupt and evil.
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@DylanWOWilliams
You Do Expect it because of what is written in your stupid bible!
You Expect to not be held accountable for the shit you have done because you babble the name JESUS!
However this is nothing but SCAPEGOATING!
It is not based on a desire for Justice or Teaching anyone anything!
Thinking that "Repenting" is all you must do when you fuck up is not being an adult!
That is not taking responsibility for a damn thing!
That isn't saying you learned Anything!
It is just SCAPEGOATING!
MrGoodNKinky 2 days ago
@MrGoodNKinky Thank you again for the insults(: Very respectable.
I am 100% accountable. That's why I try my hardest to not do 'em. That's why I thank Jesus.
No, this is realizing that I'm nothing but a train wreck and need his grace.
It is based on Justice but more love! And it's based on teaching moral and right living. ie. Philippians 2:3-8, Colossians 3. so on and so forth.
Repenting is all we can do. And cussing like a child isn't very adult like either.I learned that I am all messed up
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@DylanWOWilliams
There is No Justice in Scapegoating!
You are clinging too a LOOPHOLE your religion set up that ANYTHING you do can be magically wiped away by THINKING what someone orders you to!
This has NOTHING to do with Justice!
This is simply PASSING THE BUCK! OR SCAPEGOATING!
You can't get away from it!
You really need to grow the fuck up and be an ADULT that Accepts responsibility for your actions!
Instead of trying to get a PASS from a fictional character!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
Further more according to Proverbs 17:15 Christianity is an Abomination to your God!
Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.
This is EXACTLY what Christianity does!
You claim your life is a Train wreck! WICKED in Bible bullshit!
To Justify YOU and CONDEMN someone that is Innocent YOUR FUCKING FANTASY JESUS!
BOTH ARE AN ABOMINATION TO YOUR GOD!
Christianity Destroyed with your own Bible!
HAHAHA!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky All Proverbs 17:15 says is, "He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the LORD." It just shows that we can't hold on man above the other. 1 John 5:17 reminds us that God judges all sin the same, and all sins are an abomination. Romans 1:17 This Good News tells us how God makes us right in his sight. This is accomplished from start to finish by faith. As the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.”
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
Christianity is all about Justifing the Wicked!
You said yourself Your Life is a Train Wreck! But Somehow you think Magically it is all wiped away by the THOUGHTS IN YOUR HEAD!
What you DO to others is Wiped away by you THINKING what a religion tells You!
Christianity is also Rooted in the Condemnation of the Just. Your Fucking Jesus according to your bullshit story was INNOCENT! Or JUST!
To Condemn the Just and Justify the wicked BOTH ARE AN ABOMINATION!
That is Christianity
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky There is no Justification for us(again, the need for grace). No, I'm right in God's eyes, that's not enough, so I give my life to him for all my transgretions! Not because I was told to or have to, bur because I see the complete love Jesus had and I want to reflect that!
Jesus was 100% innocent! That's why we he could save us! To balance the scale! He didn't deserve his murder and we don't deserve the redemption because of it!
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
So you are POSSESSED by this God?
You gave your live over to it.
So You are a MINDLESS PUPPET to its whims?
If you aren't then you haven't given your life over to Anything but rather are doing stupid games to try and PLAY ACT like you are good and everything you do is EXCUSED!
You do not have Balance by being a Puppet to some Entity POSSESSING YOU!
That is simply a Puppet on a string!
Clearly you are delusional!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky YES! :D Jesus lives in our hearts and guides our steps. He is the light in all that we see! So, yes! I am a slave to Jesus Christ. But, I am a son of the Living God. Often, I get caught up in myself and trip and God picks me back up. I may be delusional, but at least I don't insult people(:
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
"God makes us right in his sight" This is NOT JUSTICE!
Giving a LOOPHOLE to assholes that go around trying to use FEAR & THREATS as a means of Control over others and acting like mouthing words of how you Repent to a Jesus magically makes it all better.
It doesn't!
You can't act any old way you want then look to use your SCAPEGOAT to get away with abusing others!
Your Faith and stupid book do Not matter!
What you DO and how you Treat others is what matters!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky "What you DO and how you Treat others is what matters!" If so, stop attacking me because I love God. Stop cussing at me. All I've done here is present the other side of your argument in hopes to bring understanding not "Threaten" or use "Fear" against you. Not once have I condemned you. I've been saying I'm only here to show you some new views, but you keep shooting anything I say down. So, What you DO and how you Treat others is what matters. Respect(: Thank you.
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
You are Coming here trying to spread YOUR MENTAL ILLNESS!
You do not have the right to go around saying anything you want and expect everyone else to just ACCEPT what you say without challenging you!
I do not care about your Delusional Disorder!
It is Immoral & Unethical to try and pass the buck of responsibility off on some mystical figure you MADE UP!
Nothing can wipe away a thing that You do!
That simply can't happen!
YOU MUST BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU DO!
That is LIFE!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky Haha There it is again! Awesome!
Yes, I know this that's why I've tried to show you that all Christians aren't a bunch of crazy condemning jerks. Lots of us live our life with Love.
If you don't care, then stop attacking and responding.
I take full responsibility! And I didn't make Him up, I'm not that smart nor do i have a time machine!
Jesus blood can.
It did happen.
I am.
Yes it is!(:
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
Then Provide EVIDENCE to support your claim!
Show HISTORICAL FACT!
Not Religious DOGMA but HISTORICAL EVIDENCE!
PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
You Christians love to try and use the Your God is about JUSTICE but when Your Feet are put to the fire You want to have a SCAPEGOAT!
That all YOU must do is BELIEVE (THINK) what you are ORDERED TO by Your RELIGION and your so called JUSTICE is cast aside in favor of GRACE!
Tell you what how about the next RAPIST & SERIAL KILLER to PROFESS belief in a Jesus get released and ordered to live with YOU!
I bet you would change your tune REAL FAST on GRACE over JUSTICE!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky No, I would love the opportunity to help out this person. If not lead them to God's loving arms, then just to help them with this horrible lifestyle of murder and rape. All mankind has the capacity to change. And I 100% believe in giving all I have for those who need it. I'm here to serve rather than to receive.
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
I have NEVER Murdered or raped anyone!
I am not part of that sick lifestyle!
I simply Reject the delusion of a God!
For that I do Not Need saved from it!
Because there is NOTHING wrong with me basing my Thoughts on what can be PROVEN!
My THOUGHTS are Not subject to YOUR DEMANDS!
Can you fucking get that?
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky What?! Who said you did? haha
"Proof" means it is impossible to find any exception in all of time and space regarding a particular statement of fact. We cannot do that. So you don't believe anything? I'm sorry.
I get it. Can you get that I have felt God and have seen overwhelming evidence of him. We'll see if there's proof when we meet him after death.
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
LMFAO
We can PROVE gravity exists!
Just drop a Pen or A Cigarette or ANYTHING and there is PROOF of Gravity!
Science has PROVEN that the planet if around 4.6 BILLION Years old.
This was done through Scientific Tests!
We can Prove wind exists even though we can't see it because we can see the EFFECTS of it!
There is NO EVIDENCE to support the existence of ANY GOD!
Let alone one that gives a rats ass about the THOUGHTS IN SOMEONE'S HEAD!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
YOU claimed to that YOU turned YOUR life over to this God!
Which means YOU have no life and no choices!
That You TURNED IT OVER to something else!
So YOU are POSSESSED by your God and COMPLETELY CONTROLLED!
When someone turns over their car, or house or anything to someone they no longer have it! Hence their TURNING IT OVER to another!
So Unless You are claiming YOU don't have FREEWILL but You're nothing but a PUPPET ON A STRING then Stop making false claims!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
Also you can't lead someone to something which you can't Prove is real!
The first obligation of anyone that wants to Lead or Teach anyone anything is they must be able to Prove what they say is Real.
ASSUMING things is not proving them!
I ASSUME Nothing!
I'm also not one to try and push my personal responsibility off on someone else. I Am Responsible for what I do! No One & Nothing can alter that!
This is called being a MATURE ADULT!
Try it sometime!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@MrGoodNKinky A mature adult doesn't yell and cuss at the mention of a God.
You assume God doesn't exist and then tell me to prove him. What is your evidence that he does not exist? Can you Disprove him?
If you want to find him, really look for him in everything. Then call him out. He loves you, man.
DylanWOWilliams 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
They do when they are Pissed off at Assholes wanting to use SCAPEGOATING to excuse their fucking EVIL behavior!
You do NOT get a PASS on how you treat others just because YOU THINK what a religion Demands!
Your THOUGHTS do not change your Responsibility for what you DO!
You want to not only DICTATE what THOUGHTS I have but You want to DICTATE what WORDS I FUCKING USE!
You Simply CAN'T HANDLE that I THINK DIFFERENTLY!
That fucking EATS YOU ALIVE!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
@DylanWOWilliams
I do not have to prove your God doesn't exist any more then YOU have to prove Odin, Zeus, Thor, Loki or any of the over 4,000 Other Gods don't exist!
Until EVIDENCE is presented to support the existence of a God I don't have to disprove what there is no evidence even exists!
I don't want to find a God. Especially one that wants to DICTATE MY THOUGHTS!
You may want to live in an Eternal NORTH KOREA I however do not!
You have given NO REASON for me to consider ANY God!
MrGoodNKinky 1 day ago
Galatians 3:28.
God did do it, doesn't mean I don't want to know how. All the churches in past years were blinded by religion not love. Jesus spoke against religion and taught love.That's why I follow him. The idea to take judgment, punishment, or life and death into their hands is insane!
You're right about the "click" thing. Church is the people and the fellowship in that.
Hell is simply an eternity without God, not torture. And God will do what he does best. We can't say who goes where.
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@DylanWOWilliams
First of all your Jesus spoke of Self Mutilation instead of going to a Burning Hell in Mark 9:43-48
Secondly Galatians 3:28 contradicts 1 Corinthians 6:20 You are Bought with a Price. Only a Slave can be Bought.
Additionally Galatians was written by Paul. This wasn't even what your damn Jesus is claimed to have taught.
Christians are only interested in Scapegoating they don't care about Justice or being accountable for what you do.
MrGoodNKinky 2 days ago
@MrGoodNKinky Mark 9:43-48 What Jesus conveys by these warnings is that no sin is worth going to hell for. It's better to repent-- even if repenting is as painful as cutting off a hand, foot, or eye-- than to suffer in hell.
So, do you take everything so literal? Jesus wasn't actually a lamb. 1 Cor. 6:20 simply tells us that He gave everything! So we should honor that. Paul is simply applying Jesus' teachings to the Galatians. All this gives reason fo Justice and I account for all I've done.
DylanWOWilliams 2 days ago
@DylanWOWilliams
This shows how Christians are PURE EVIL!
You actually think unless I THINK like you that I should be Tortured!
This is why for nearly 1,000 Years CHRISTIANS TORTURED ANYONE THAT DIDN'T THINK JUST LIKE THE CHURCH SAID!
You are Proving that Christians today are NO DIFFERENT!
You are not based on Love but FEAR & THREATS OF VIOLENCE!
Luckily Your God is NOT REAL!
However Christians are the REAL DANGER to this world!
MrGoodNKinky 2 days ago
No i'm not a fucking retard quote on quote. You're using the same scare tactics. You are using derogatory language and trying to end the argument, MrGoodNKinky.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
FACEPALM!
I find STUPIDITY annoying!
You have threatened me with HELL twice!
The first time I told you Scare Tactics will not work on me BUT YOU KEEP IT UP!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@MrGoodNKinky, i only mentioned Hell twice, i didn't damn you Hell.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
you tried saying to me about what will happen to me after I die!
As IF you THINK after I am physically Dead that i could be PHYSICALLY BURNING FOREVER
All because I didn't THINK LIKE YOU
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
Perhaps you need a lesson on LOGIC!
Fire is a Chemical Reaction of PHYSICAL Elements!
Maintained by PHYSICAL OXYGEN!
After PHYSICAL DEATH PHYSICAL FIRE wouldn't Hurt an ENERGY FORM!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
This is why I say DAMN you are STUPID!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
You want to Push and Poke at me like an animal in a case then when i BITE you want to cry how nasty the lion is!
Well YOU are the one that poked it with Bullshit THREATS!
SHOW EVIDENCE!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
Additionally You had said how you were done with this.
Yet Imagine that HERE YOU STILL ARE!
You now want to DICTATE my Language!
Asshole You have NO RIGHT TO DICTATE SHIT!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@MrGoodNKinky, I AM NOT DICTATING FUCKING BULLSHIT TO SOMEBODY THAT IS TRYING TO BE BADASS USING CURSING, LIES, AND REALLY SICK THINKING, YOU REALLY JUST PISSED ME OFF, MRGOODNKINKY.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
You have offered NO EVIDENCE for your imaginary God!
You resorted to THREATS of HELL right away as if this was some kind of reason!
IT ISN'T!
You FAILED to give any EVIDENCE!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
Where is Opposing the Torture of other SICK THINKING?
I would say thinking someone will BURN IN HELL is SICK THINKING!
But that is what YOU DO not ME!
you PISSED me OFF with your THREATS
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
IF you had watched this fucking video you would've heard it was the HELL bullshit that got me to walk away from Christianity!
I walked away BECAUSE OF THE SCARE TACTIC'S!
Dumbass!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
You CAN NOT DICTATE how I THINK!
You CAN NOT DICTATE the WORDS I use!
DICTATE DOESN'T MEAN MIND CONTROL YOU STUPID CHILD!
DRR DRR!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
You CAN NOT DICTATE how I THINK!
You CAN NOT DICTATE the WORDS I use!
DICTATE DOESN'T MEAN MIND CONTROL YOU STUPID CHILD!
DRR DRR!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@MrGoodNKinky, OKAY SHERLOCK, it does have that mush of a difference when you think about it. Mind control can mean dictation at times.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@MrGoodNKinky, if you don't believe in religion, why are you trying to convert specifically Christians to atheism. You're treating this like a religion. I will let you think about it.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
I'm NOT trying to convert anybody to anything!
Atheism is NOT a religion!
Just like NOT playing Football isn't a Sport!
Religion is about MIND CONTROL!
I am about Freedom!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@MrGoodNKinky, i did not say it was a religion, i'm saying you're treating it like one.
Big difference. =)
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
I am not treating atheism like anything.
My position against you is MY POSITION it is NOT ATHEISM talking
There is NO DOGMA of Atheism
When have I said about anyone Converting to Atheism
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@MrGoodNKinky, okay then, i was in a very abusive home and i was too weak in faith to walk out the door, but after three years, my prayers, was answered, im in a loving home and out of harms way.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
I volunteered to go to church. No brainwashing,peer-pressure or nothing. Think!
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
You act like you know all the methods of Brainwashing!
And you didn't even know the difference between DICTATING and MIND CONTROL!
LMFAO!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
Well that is all nice and sweet for YOU!
I was also in a Very Verbally & Emotionally abusive home as a child and NO ONE came to my aid!
NO GOD did SHIT to help ME!
But I believed!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
There are children Molested and Murdered EVERY DAY and your God COULD do something (IF IT EXISTED) but REFUSES to do anything!
The only Logical conclusion is NO GOD EXISTS!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
When in this video or in ANY comment did I ever say a fucking word about wanting to CONVERT anyone to Anything?
I AM NOT LIKE YOU
I OPPOSE YOU
I simply present my case against Your shit!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@MrGoodNKinky, look at the conversation! It's a mile long, about us two trying to convert each other. Sorry about the anger directed towards you. Religion is what works for me, atheism works for you.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
Friends? You can decline it at will.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
I'm not sure why you would even propose this?
Do you go around threatening those you want as Friends?
Is that how you think Good people behave?
If so that is very fucked up!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@MrGoodNKinky, no, i told you i' sorry for showing bitterness, which is forsaken by the Bible, i was wrong on doing something foolish, and i am willing to accept that.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
I can accept that.
You are human and I do not hold things against people.
All I ever wanted was to get across to you to the torture of another person is simply wrong.
Not convert you!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
Additionally There is NO Friend section anymore on You Tube.
There are Subscribers and those i am Subscribed to but NOTHING on FRIENDS!
It makes me seriously wonder about your statement!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@MrGoodNKinky, i meant to settle the dispute the right way.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
Honestly I think the dispute comes down to more rejection then anything.
There is a good video on how the Theist reaction to Atheists is Classic reaction to rejection.
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
If you seriously believe Atheists have no moral center then explain why I strongly Oppose the torture of others and you excuse it so long as it is done by your Deity!
Try explaining how it is somehow Moral for Christian's to engage in Scare Tactics and Praise the torture of non believers!
Last time i checked in order to claim to have morals one must behavior Morally!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
I have NEVER tried to convert you ONCE!
I have Opposed you claims but never did I say You MUST or even SHOULD think like me!
I made NOT THREATS of anything happening to you!
YOU DID!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
Did i directly threaten you? No. If i was to threaten someone, i would say it plainly. Tell me how i'm using scare tactics.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
Stupid You are when you say about something Happening to me After I die IF I DO NOT THINK LIKE YOU!
That dumbass is trying to SCARE ME into accepting your bullshit!
You have NO EVIDENCE!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
I am not dictating your thoughts because if i was, then you simply would've agreed with me by now. I am proving my claims, you just aren't thinking.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
Facepalm!
You STUIPD child Trying to Dictate what someone is thinking is different from MIND CONTROLLING THEM!
Holy crap are you a fucking retard?
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
You (MrGoodNKinky) are trying to limit my freedom of thought too.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
No Stupid I have Not threanted you ONCE with what will happen to you if your THINK a certain way
YOU asshole are the one using THREATS & SCARE TACTIC'S!
I am the one saying that is WRONG
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Show me what i have done evil that was against you other than putting up an argument. I'm not using fear to spread a message, im just saying something that clearly you're too stuborn to see yourself.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
I'm off my lazy ass trying to oppose something that you yourself didn't see right in front of your own face. Rethink what you're saying, MrGoodNKinky.
I am facing the tyrant.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
What you are opposing is my FREEDOM OF THOUGHT!
You can't DEMAND I THINK as YOU SAY just because YOU SAY IT!
You must PROVE your claims!
My THOUGHTS are MY BUSINESS not yours!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
Dumbass it is NOT tyrannical to OPPOSE the torture of others!
Or to OPPOSE Thought Crime!
It is NOT Tyrannical to NOT THINK JUST LIKE YOU!
You do NOT get to dictate shit to ME!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
In fact wanting to DICTATE MY THOUGHTS is TYRANNICAL!
So the one acting like the Tyrant here would be YOU!
Perhaps you should know what words mean before you try using them!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
Who said that all religious people (which includes me) use torture, rape, murder, dehumanization, blood-thirstiness, etc. I don't use those things to convert people.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
Well for one jackass it is IN YOUR BIBLE!
If You Support and go along with the Bible you are Guilty of Going along with those things!
Secondly IF a Hell would exist to DO NOTHING is EVIL
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
nfsfreakism
You simply CAN'T claim to be GOOD & MORAL & still go along with someone being TORTURED simply for not THINKING like YOU!
My THOUGHTS are none of your business & not subject to your Demand
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
Who said i didn't say that something that can't be proven right or wrong wrongdoing, MrGoodNKinky?
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
If you act as evil as the one you are opposing then you show that you are NO DIFFERENT from them!
This is Simply LOGIC!
But YOU can excuse EVIL if it is done by your TRIBE!
Evil Shit!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
MrGoodNKinky, i was trying to understand your thinking.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
You have been trying over and over to use SCARE TACTIC'S!
However I am someone that is simply to smart to fall for THINK AS I DEMAND OR BURN FOREVER!
This is STUPID!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
If you have so much of a problem with me personally, then say it with as much venom as possible, besides time is valuable, you don't know when you are going to die.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
First of all WHY must you repeatedly go to trying to SCARE me?
After I am dead my central Nervous system & Physical brain DIE!
PAIN IS IMPOSSIBLE YOU STUPID CHILD!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
why are you using sexual immorality to attract people to watch the vid, and then tell them to not fall for the boobs. Just saying something to consider. What you did was known as hypocrisy.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
meant to go to MrGoodNKinky.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
It is simply NOT my problem if YOU can't control your stupid lusts!
Don't put your bullshit issues off on me!
You want to boohoo about shit that is not related to the SUBJECT!
Grow Up!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
Dumbass IF you had actually watched the video you would see that the picture I used was from the answer to a Specific question. One which Directly related to that image!
IDIOT!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@ MrGoodNKinky, there is no physical proof on how the universe came to exist or what I believe is correct, how life came to exist. This couldn't have happened by chance. It's like mike -3 Molly drawn in the sand on the beach. Intelligence had to have created that. Apply that to life and creation or whatever you believe.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago
@nfsfreakism
There is a Huge difference between a Consciousness behind the universe and a PERSONAL God!
There is a MASSIVE difference!
The one does NOT prove the other!
The Theistic claims do not advance ONE INCH by Deism being true or possible!
A Force behind the universe doesn't in itself Give a FUCK about YOU or YOUR TRIBE!
Let alone to be so insecure as to get pissed off over MY THOUGHTS!
Your God is so petty, cruel & SCARED of people like me Actually THINKING!
You are DECEIVED!
MrGoodNKinky 1 week ago
@MrGoodNKinky, why are you cussing at the reply i gave you? I'm not in a tribe. And who said i didn't know that there was a difference between a consciousness (supposedly aliens from your thought) or a personal God (which i don't have, i have a God that is shared within the Christian community). And who said i was being pissed off.
nfsfreakism 1 week ago