Actually the sensory organs only perceive the external world, they actually do acquire information, but you're right that it doesn't construct our vision of reality. For example, we perceive things differently amongst other animals in the aspect of color of things. It is the brain which stores the information, and the brains neural activities create the mind, and the mind systematically arranges energy in a way to reason and use logic. Through reasond and logic reality coems to us.
Scientific determinism has been proven false since the 20th century, and in fact even in classical mechanics there were examples were determinism failed, for example the globe of indeterminancy. Furthermore, chaost theory proves all this random metaphysical nonsense wrong.
The real important question is if that mind can rise above its genetic and enviormental sorroundings. We are affected by our enviorment, but free to some degree, thank you for this video.
There is a really good argument I think in the form of a lecture out there, that compares us to a being inside a box with no knowledge as to what is going on outside of us. I'll look around for it and link you. I think you'll enjoy it.
Hi, great stuff. We are more complex versions of protobionts, and our consciousness, with it's understanding as the membrane, it's memory as the energy store, and perceived unities as the filtered 'food' is a bio-electric model of a cell. Maybe I will post a response to this, but I prefer to discuss on a forum (easier for refernce).
Good video. Very interesting. Especially the part of the way the eyes perceive colors. It's usually something most of us may take for granted, but really if we didn't have our brains to help us perceive colors, we may not be able to see color at all or experience the world the way we do. Thanks for sharing. :)
Pretty much any argument regarding biology autonomy is contingent on a basic understanding of biology and evolutionary biology. You kiddies should take a few real college courses before spouting off this stuff trying to sound smart.
You don't think information exists outside of your mind? So when you die everything disappears? Your pen might not really be "blue" but its still there in some sense. Also you say "neurons are not like circuits"... but they are. They also are directly connected via dendrites and axons. The chemical signals only influence whether the neuron fires or not. Basically whether the circuit is open or closed, a 0 or a 1.
listened to your video. read the blog. All both seemed to say that what happens between input and outups is complex and difficult to predict, not that there is not an input and output... What's the problem with input/output metaphor? just makesyou feel too much like a machine?
if the chemicals inside us are not cept in use they stagnate just like our muscles do when we dont use them if say testosterone is not given the opertunity to respond to fear it too will stagnate ,i cant prove this but it is a self truth for me even the thrill of a boxing match helps, look out over a tall building, inmendhams crazy runs threw the forest, can help, the body finds a way even if we dont
of course deterministic analogy of input-output systems is broken outright by simply pointing that living organisms are not robotic. but by the same token freewilness is constrained.
i think the question must be posited of what is determinism argument trying to dis-prove. if it's the idea of immaterial soul for example than i don't see much of a problem. modulo the existence of abstract ideas of course ;)
Can you speak intelligently about the effects of the environment using knowledge of what we see of it? BTW I'm cleaning out my video closet, an if there are any videos you're planning on responding to, please let me know ASAP. I'm going to delete all threds that seem like their not going anywhere.
Actually the sensory organs only perceive the external world, they actually do acquire information, but you're right that it doesn't construct our vision of reality. For example, we perceive things differently amongst other animals in the aspect of color of things. It is the brain which stores the information, and the brains neural activities create the mind, and the mind systematically arranges energy in a way to reason and use logic. Through reasond and logic reality coems to us.
ogirv101 2 years ago
Scientific determinism has been proven false since the 20th century, and in fact even in classical mechanics there were examples were determinism failed, for example the globe of indeterminancy. Furthermore, chaost theory proves all this random metaphysical nonsense wrong.
The real important question is if that mind can rise above its genetic and enviormental sorroundings. We are affected by our enviorment, but free to some degree, thank you for this video.
ogirv101 2 years ago
There is a really good argument I think in the form of a lecture out there, that compares us to a being inside a box with no knowledge as to what is going on outside of us. I'll look around for it and link you. I think you'll enjoy it.
jophus82 3 years ago
Have you read From Science To God by Peter Russell
trippymush 4 years ago
nope, should I?
redliterocket4 4 years ago
yeah it's about perception and cousciousness but delves into god
trippymush 4 years ago
Hi, great stuff. We are more complex versions of protobionts, and our consciousness, with it's understanding as the membrane, it's memory as the energy store, and perceived unities as the filtered 'food' is a bio-electric model of a cell. Maybe I will post a response to this, but I prefer to discuss on a forum (easier for refernce).
Erime 4 years ago
you have some really thoughtful ideas, love watching your vids!!
Swissa4 4 years ago
Good video. Very interesting. Especially the part of the way the eyes perceive colors. It's usually something most of us may take for granted, but really if we didn't have our brains to help us perceive colors, we may not be able to see color at all or experience the world the way we do. Thanks for sharing. :)
HaleyMary 4 years ago
smoooth.
bigreub78 4 years ago
lol
bigreub78 4 years ago
Pretty much any argument regarding biology autonomy is contingent on a basic understanding of biology and evolutionary biology. You kiddies should take a few real college courses before spouting off this stuff trying to sound smart.
grwiseman17 4 years ago
You don't think information exists outside of your mind? So when you die everything disappears? Your pen might not really be "blue" but its still there in some sense. Also you say "neurons are not like circuits"... but they are. They also are directly connected via dendrites and axons. The chemical signals only influence whether the neuron fires or not. Basically whether the circuit is open or closed, a 0 or a 1.
grwiseman17 4 years ago
also an organism isn't autonomous unless a perceptual processing system deems it as such.
isismelting 4 years ago
it's also not a pen until your perceptual processing deems it as such.
isismelting 4 years ago
listened to your video. read the blog. All both seemed to say that what happens between input and outups is complex and difficult to predict, not that there is not an input and output... What's the problem with input/output metaphor? just makesyou feel too much like a machine?
normonics 4 years ago
madonas ray of light has some use here
cardellacole1 4 years ago
if the chemicals inside us are not cept in use they stagnate just like our muscles do when we dont use them if say testosterone is not given the opertunity to respond to fear it too will stagnate ,i cant prove this but it is a self truth for me even the thrill of a boxing match helps, look out over a tall building, inmendhams crazy runs threw the forest, can help, the body finds a way even if we dont
cardellacole1 4 years ago
id take that as excellent advice to anyone thanks mat
cardellacole1 4 years ago
good "extended" points.
of course deterministic analogy of input-output systems is broken outright by simply pointing that living organisms are not robotic. but by the same token freewilness is constrained.
i think the question must be posited of what is determinism argument trying to dis-prove. if it's the idea of immaterial soul for example than i don't see much of a problem. modulo the existence of abstract ideas of course ;)
jogayot 4 years ago
Can you speak intelligently about the effects of the environment using knowledge of what we see of it? BTW I'm cleaning out my video closet, an if there are any videos you're planning on responding to, please let me know ASAP. I'm going to delete all threds that seem like their not going anywhere.
cosabio 4 years ago
Ya- I/O is a poor descriptor of the complex & subtle/overt interconnectedness that is being.
docrufus 4 years ago