@Patmclean232 Oh, there's no law or anything. Like I said, it's great for competition. But because it's not approved by Glock and most PDs use the NY1 spring and standard connector, it can become a problem to defend in court if the terrible happens and you're ever forced to defend yourself with it. Claims that you were negligent, adrenaline made you shoot your "hair trigger" on accident, etc. It's defensible, but more hassle on top of a traumatic event. Remember, the jury are not your peers...
Well thanks to your video I realized why the parts in my Glock differed from the one in the 3.5 trigger bar&spring instalation video.. My Glock already had the ny1 spring in it.so I spiked that and put the regular sponge in it and I'm happy as a clam. Thanks for the great video!!
@Patmclean232 Just keep in mind that the "-" connector is NOT APPROVED for carry with the regular spring. It's great for competition, but don't even think of using it for a carry pistol. Not approved by Glock, even if you do everything correctly it'll be difficult to defend in court that "you knew better than the manufacturer". But with a good overtravel stop and quality sights, it'd be a great piece for a 3-gun match!
Thanks for the video. I just put in a ny1 on my 26, your video helped a lot. I see your in Tucson and in the AF. I was their at DM back in the early 80's, I loved Tucson and DM was a great assignment. I was security police.
Great video! Very helpful, but the first time the the slide lock was loose the gun would work but it locked back when slide was racked. The second time the spring on the slide stop slipped off (almost lost) however I got the spring back on reassembled and got tension back on slide lock and it works perfect. You might want to cover this in the reassembly and and attachment of slide stop. Video was very helpful.
i am an xd kind of guy never had a hard on for glocks .....not here to bash gaston glock he IS a bad ass after all for designing his first pistol in 18 months through the ministry of defence for the austrian army .....i just love my xd rip-off lol ha what im really here to say i still cant get over that bad-ass LED cactus on your wall that has to be the most hard core thing i have ever seen you better have bought 2 just in case that one goes ...couse thats how i quikly find your vids hahaha
the other way mas talks about going is to put the 8.0 lb connector with the stock spring. and this makes a more consistent takeup and maintains more of the 5.5 lb pull.
hey just thought of something also ive looked before and didnt find anything but can you link me to a case where someone has been sued from using a so called modified pistol trigger in their gun for self defence?
Your best bet would probably be to read some Massad Ayoob- the man is like a walking encyclopedia of shooting related legal cases. Look up his books and I'd be shocked if he didn't cover it.
i like your other vids but how is a 3.5lb connector dangerous the gun doesnt go off unless you pull the trigger if its in side my waist band in a holster like its been for 2 years now i think ill be safe :)
It's not dangerous- it's the legal liability if you ever wind up having to use that gun defensively. See, I want people to be smart enough that they don't open themselves up to a prosecutor accusing them of making dangerous modifications, etc. Keep the gun in a configuration that's "factory approved", or spend even more money on your defense and risk losing the case- it's your call.
Im not going through the trouble and expense to lighten my pull with a 3.5 DISconnector and then stiffen it back up with the NY1. Just doesnt make sense to me. I detest my stock G33 trigger, just cant afford to fix it yet (glockworx hopefully). It lessens my accuracy and confidence. If 3.5 isnt safe how is my 1911 safe with a light consistant trigger? Im a subscriber but I have to disagree on this one.
Because I flat promise you that any factory 1911 came with a minimum 4.5 pound trigger pull. Don't confuse light pull with a clean break. That's essentially what this mod does- gives a more consistent pull like a double action, but with a lighter break at the end. It evens out the entire process.
Disagreeing is fine, of course. But this may be one of those "don't knock it 'til you've tried it" things. The guys at M4Carbine love this mod for a reason...
I see your point. I would prefer a double action revolver trigger to this stock crap. I was confused about the purpose of the NY trigger now I know. Ever pull a trigger on an orange NY?
Yeah, at my armorers course. That one took it into the "too heavy" realm and made it suck again. LOL. Well, that and they still had us using the standard connector.
Eric, I love the Podcast and really respect your opinion. I know 3 lbs is really light but what do you think of my Sig's 10/3 lbs double/single pull? More spacific, how do you think the 10/3 lbs would hold up in court? If the first 10 lbs was justified then the second 3 lbs should be a non-issue, right? Was that you or Mas that dedicated an episode to the victims deffense? Doesn't really matter does it? What do you think of this? Eric rocks!
I'd be kind of surprised if the single action was really as light as 3 pounds, quite frankly. I would expect closer to 4.5 or 5 pounds- the single action is enough to alter it usably because you don't have the long draw of cocking the hammer. Properly applied in a double/single deployment, that long heavy initial pull is enough to cover you in court.
I'm not a DA/SA fan, but if you train with it, they run just fine, and Sigs are dang nice. Good choice.
I've never measured the pull. 10/3 is what the manufacurer claims and I'm pretty sure the 3 is accurate. That SA pull is almost not there at all. It is a P232 SL and you are correct it is, "dang nice!) I was taught that the first measure of quality in a firearm is the smoothness of the trigger mech. You CAN NOT feel the mech in this one and it is an EXTREAMLY short pull in SA. I do love those German tollerances! Thanks for the input.
Very good vid. thank you . I just recived my G23 and have done some trigger work. 3.5 connector and good buff job on all contact points. I started with a 5.4# trigger pull and now have a 3.4 # . I like the lighter pulloff and slick feel.
I hope you're not carrying that for self-defense. Obviously it won't just "go off", but should you use to defend yourself, that could very well be "your ass" for carrying a firearm outside the manufacturer specifications. If you don't believe me, listen to Massad Ayoob in ProArms Podcast #11.
Please, please, please tell me that's only a competition gun, or put an NY1 spring in it.
@floatingaxehead so I'll be fine if I put the ny1 spring back in? Is this federal or state law? Or just asking for trouble in general??
Patmclean232 1 week ago
@Patmclean232 Oh, there's no law or anything. Like I said, it's great for competition. But because it's not approved by Glock and most PDs use the NY1 spring and standard connector, it can become a problem to defend in court if the terrible happens and you're ever forced to defend yourself with it. Claims that you were negligent, adrenaline made you shoot your "hair trigger" on accident, etc. It's defensible, but more hassle on top of a traumatic event. Remember, the jury are not your peers...
floatingaxehead 1 week ago
Spring rather not sponge ! Damn u auto spell!!
Patmclean232 1 week ago
Well thanks to your video I realized why the parts in my Glock differed from the one in the 3.5 trigger bar&spring instalation video.. My Glock already had the ny1 spring in it.so I spiked that and put the regular sponge in it and I'm happy as a clam. Thanks for the great video!!
Patmclean232 1 week ago
@Patmclean232 Just keep in mind that the "-" connector is NOT APPROVED for carry with the regular spring. It's great for competition, but don't even think of using it for a carry pistol. Not approved by Glock, even if you do everything correctly it'll be difficult to defend in court that "you knew better than the manufacturer". But with a good overtravel stop and quality sights, it'd be a great piece for a 3-gun match!
floatingaxehead 1 week ago
Thanks for the video. I just put in a ny1 on my 26, your video helped a lot. I see your in Tucson and in the AF. I was their at DM back in the early 80's, I loved Tucson and DM was a great assignment. I was security police.
southchatham 2 months ago
Great video! Very helpful, but the first time the the slide lock was loose the gun would work but it locked back when slide was racked. The second time the spring on the slide stop slipped off (almost lost) however I got the spring back on reassembled and got tension back on slide lock and it works perfect. You might want to cover this in the reassembly and and attachment of slide stop. Video was very helpful.
themsdancehalldoctor 1 year ago
i am an xd kind of guy never had a hard on for glocks .....not here to bash gaston glock he IS a bad ass after all for designing his first pistol in 18 months through the ministry of defence for the austrian army .....i just love my xd rip-off lol ha what im really here to say i still cant get over that bad-ass LED cactus on your wall that has to be the most hard core thing i have ever seen you better have bought 2 just in case that one goes ...couse thats how i quikly find your vids hahaha
bnscholet911 1 year ago
the other way mas talks about going is to put the 8.0 lb connector with the stock spring. and this makes a more consistent takeup and maintains more of the 5.5 lb pull.
metamurph 2 years ago
Nice Peace
bobbruna 2 years ago
hey just thought of something also ive looked before and didnt find anything but can you link me to a case where someone has been sued from using a so called modified pistol trigger in their gun for self defence?
MuayThai8548 2 years ago
Your best bet would probably be to read some Massad Ayoob- the man is like a walking encyclopedia of shooting related legal cases. Look up his books and I'd be shocked if he didn't cover it.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
i like your other vids but how is a 3.5lb connector dangerous the gun doesnt go off unless you pull the trigger if its in side my waist band in a holster like its been for 2 years now i think ill be safe :)
MuayThai8548 2 years ago
It's not dangerous- it's the legal liability if you ever wind up having to use that gun defensively. See, I want people to be smart enough that they don't open themselves up to a prosecutor accusing them of making dangerous modifications, etc. Keep the gun in a configuration that's "factory approved", or spend even more money on your defense and risk losing the case- it's your call.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
Im not going through the trouble and expense to lighten my pull with a 3.5 DISconnector and then stiffen it back up with the NY1. Just doesnt make sense to me. I detest my stock G33 trigger, just cant afford to fix it yet (glockworx hopefully). It lessens my accuracy and confidence. If 3.5 isnt safe how is my 1911 safe with a light consistant trigger? Im a subscriber but I have to disagree on this one.
Bullittstable 2 years ago
Because I flat promise you that any factory 1911 came with a minimum 4.5 pound trigger pull. Don't confuse light pull with a clean break. That's essentially what this mod does- gives a more consistent pull like a double action, but with a lighter break at the end. It evens out the entire process.
Disagreeing is fine, of course. But this may be one of those "don't knock it 'til you've tried it" things. The guys at M4Carbine love this mod for a reason...
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
I see your point. I would prefer a double action revolver trigger to this stock crap. I was confused about the purpose of the NY trigger now I know. Ever pull a trigger on an orange NY?
Bullittstable 2 years ago
Yeah, at my armorers course. That one took it into the "too heavy" realm and made it suck again. LOL. Well, that and they still had us using the standard connector.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
I though I posted a question, but don't see it. Must have done something wrong.
Anyway, can you either post the url to the Ayoob Podcast # 11 or send it to me. I did a Google search, but couldn't find it.
Thanks,
Ed
nearlynormal 2 years ago
It's the ProArms podcast. Search for that term, and you'll find it. They're hosted on Podbean.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
OK, I found the podcast #11 and listened to all 78 minutes of it, but heard nothing about legal issues involved with modifying the Glock trigger.
nearlynormal 2 years ago
Don't buy a Hi Point!! They suck!
Cadillacjack88 2 years ago
Eric, I love the Podcast and really respect your opinion. I know 3 lbs is really light but what do you think of my Sig's 10/3 lbs double/single pull? More spacific, how do you think the 10/3 lbs would hold up in court? If the first 10 lbs was justified then the second 3 lbs should be a non-issue, right? Was that you or Mas that dedicated an episode to the victims deffense? Doesn't really matter does it? What do you think of this? Eric rocks!
GOAV81 2 years ago
I'd be kind of surprised if the single action was really as light as 3 pounds, quite frankly. I would expect closer to 4.5 or 5 pounds- the single action is enough to alter it usably because you don't have the long draw of cocking the hammer. Properly applied in a double/single deployment, that long heavy initial pull is enough to cover you in court.
I'm not a DA/SA fan, but if you train with it, they run just fine, and Sigs are dang nice. Good choice.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
I've never measured the pull. 10/3 is what the manufacurer claims and I'm pretty sure the 3 is accurate. That SA pull is almost not there at all. It is a P232 SL and you are correct it is, "dang nice!) I was taught that the first measure of quality in a firearm is the smoothness of the trigger mech. You CAN NOT feel the mech in this one and it is an EXTREAMLY short pull in SA. I do love those German tollerances! Thanks for the input.
GOAV81 2 years ago
Thank you, I always wondered how to install the NY1. I wanted to put one in a G26 for pocket carry.
NIKON777 2 years ago
Very good vid. thank you . I just recived my G23 and have done some trigger work. 3.5 connector and good buff job on all contact points. I started with a 5.4# trigger pull and now have a 3.4 # . I like the lighter pulloff and slick feel.
TYPHIS4 2 years ago
I hope you're not carrying that for self-defense. Obviously it won't just "go off", but should you use to defend yourself, that could very well be "your ass" for carrying a firearm outside the manufacturer specifications. If you don't believe me, listen to Massad Ayoob in ProArms Podcast #11.
Please, please, please tell me that's only a competition gun, or put an NY1 spring in it.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
I have head that the NY1 and a 3.5 connector Brings you back to about 5# What is the benefit then
rifle22coach 2 years ago
It gives it a clean, crisp break. Without the NY1 module a glock trigger is "mushy".
mpxd45 2 years ago
mpxd45 pretty well answered it. The other reasons are a more "positive" feel on the trigger reset, and like I noted, a much more consistent squeeze.
floatingaxehead 2 years ago
Why not just leave the original spring in? Is the leaf spring (NY) much heaver. Do you know the final weight ?
rifle22coach 2 years ago
8 1/2 pounds total with the NY1 and stock connector. About 6 pounds with NY1 and 3.5 connector.
mpxd45 2 years ago