If the thief on the cross was saved without being baptized (because he was under the Old Covenant), why would Jesus tell Nicodemus (who was also under the Old Covenant) that he needed to be baptized?
The True Church is in Heaven not on earth assembled in buildings. It is made up of souls that have been faithful. From many different denominations and non-denominations. From those who accept the teaching of Jesus. Love.
@bonsai731 There are tombstones from the 1700's of preachers and elders who are described as members of the church of Christ, but it doesn't matter. The question is not one of succession, but of identity. No religious group can trace a succession back to Pentecost: the Roman Catholics and some Baptist splinter groups have been known to try, and whoever they "hitch up" to was called about anything other than a Roman Catholic or Baptist, so that effort falls short.
It is a 150 year old denomination that legalistically misinterprets the Word of God in a Cut & Paste fashion, while either interpreting verses in a convoluted way, or by ignoring completely the scripture that invalidates their "limited" and errant theology.
They have no understanding of:
Hermaneutics
GRACE
Baptism
Holy Spirit
ASSURANCE of Salvation
They sing AMAZING GRACE, but don't think it's AMAZING - because they rely on the flesh to maintain their salvation!
Accusations are cheap. Proving the allegation is usually a little more difficult. We have a pretty decent understanding of baptism, for example - nobody can successfully refute it. You certainly wouldn't debate our position - you might "hit and run" - throw out broad accusations and skip from subject to subject. We attempt to rightly divide the Word and "call Bible things by Bible names." My bet is that you do not.
YOUR WORDS - "We have a pretty decent understanding of baptism."
Not only is that absurdly ARROGANT, but exactly how is that possible since the rest of the Christian World understands it differently - wonder why? Are they just being cantankerous? - Do they just take obedience lightly? Thumbing their nose at GOD just for sport?
You cannot simply clump all CofCs together. Not all CofCs are as ignorant and spiritually void. I am presently a student at a CofC seminary where classes on the theology of evil, systematic theology and spiritual formation are not only offered but some are required. To claim that all CofCers are void of the thing you listed is false and does nothing to edify anyone who reads it. The CofC is a great church, but not the only right church. We, as Chrisitans, need to unite under our shared faith.
To say that the church of Christ is not the only right church is to say that Christ has more than one body whereas the Bible says that there is only one body (Eph. 4:4).
Your statement is patently obsurd and completely arrogant - the "Church of our Lord" IS indeed the 'body of Christ" and the "body of Christ" is an "ORGANISM" (body!) not an "organization" that meets at a brick and mortar building with a sign out front with the name C of C "copped" from Romans 16:16. Freind, the roll is called up yonder, NOT at the local Church of Christ denomination's building - give us a break, and quit keeping others out of the body with your sectarian spirit and theology!
What CofC seminary - do they teach "salvation by grace thru faith in Christ" without additions that then make grace null and void? Do they teach assurance of salvation? Are your works because of "Christ's Saving Work" OR are your works to maintain your own salvation. If not, I stand by all my statements!
I love the Lord's Church - when are you going to join it, and get out of the C of C denomination and cult - still saved by works? Still maintaining your salvation by works? Still robbing from God's Glory? There is not a better time to repent of your satanic theology and come out!
You wreak of denominationalism....no one "joins" the Lord's church you heretic....God adds to His church those who have obeyed the Gospel...Acts 2:47....I know you hate verses like this one and numerous others because it exposes you for the apostate wanderer you are.....How much you must detest the book of James...
Bill Clinton would love the way you parse words...you legalist cult member.
I love the book of James...especially chapter 2....you know the verse you guys like to misinterpret and build your entire errant theology on "faith without works is dead"
But I understand that "before God" I am justified by "faith" BUT "before men" I am justified by "works" because they cannot see the true faith that God obviously can. God is not waiting to see how I perform because he see the faith.
Shameful that Dixiebow stoops to levels where he considers what God's word says as "the way you parse words"......scripture says there is no salvation outside of the Lord's church, but Dixiebow says there is.....hmmmmm, whom to believe
Since you claim to be a Champ of Truth, maybe you should give some long hard serious thought to this Truth from our Lord as you continue to keep others out of the kingdom.
"Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us" "Do not stop him, Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us....and will certainly not lose his reward.
Dixie....I wasn't aware you were performing miracles....good for you
And btw loonster, I nor anyone else has the power to "keep others out of the kingdom"....this is quite possibly the most ludicrous heresy from you yet....You're officially Prince of Nonsense....congrats
Just as I suspected - you are not only an ignoramus, but you are a smart-ass to boot.
13 But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.
"Just as I suspected - you are not only an ignoramus, but you are a smart-ass to boot."- Dixiebows
Such words of wisdom from the resident heretic who equates scripture with B.Clinton's parsing of the English language and thinks he can still perfor miracles....your infantile persona leaves much to be desired
TruthChamp, while you would have us believe that you have 'cornered the market' on truth, it is quite obvious to all on YouTube that you exhibit no "Beatitude Attitude" whatsoever. Let's see..... TruthChamp.....poor in spirit? No, you fail miserably on the first Beatitude so we can all be assured that you cannot but fail the rest of the Beatitudes as well.
You might read the Matthew 5:1--11, we all pray that you might fall under conviction by the work of the Holy Spirit. Good Luck!!
Dixiebow...you sir, have exhibited the very opposite of humbleness and humility in 99% of your YouTube career.... is there a Beatitude for pride? If so, you certainly have it mastered for you consistently shout down those who are members of the Lord's church as you clamor against them/us with your manmade philosophies and insight, never once stopping to think clearly just what it is you desire to accomplish..
Our diaglogue should have ended months ago, but your adolescent ramblings won't end
"shout down those who are members of the Lord's church" - I have done no such thing, as all of my comments to date have been directed at those in your specific denomination/cult. Those who are in the Lord's church want no part of your sectarian denomination.
"...all of my comments to date have been directed at those in your specific denomination/cult."
Really Dixie bow? Can you show us YOUR church in the Bible? Of course not, therefore you are nothing more than an apostate hypocrite....and I seriously doubt the apostate label you wear...
Dixiebow....there is a church in the Bible...you know it and I know it....you've decided to reject it and lash out with the "cult" charge that only reinforces what we already knew about you....so sad
Show ME where Christ preached a message of "sectarianism", "exclusive-ism", and "arrogant we-know-it-all-ism"......oh yes....that defines the Pharisees who HE blasted unmercifully; and it defines you and your denomination so very well.......so call it what you want ...play your Romans 16:16, Eph 5:19 and your "where is your church in the bible" SELF-DELUTED GAMES until your deceived heart is content, OR until the Holy Spirit engulfs you and regenerates your deceitful and blind heart !!!
Whether or not you're in a church found in scriptures is a game? Dixiebow....don't you know Christ shed His blood for His church? And it's a game to you if we're in it? Unbelievable.....so sad
And Eph 5:9? lol...are you kidding me? Who brought up instrumental music? You are ADD bordering on retarded I'm thinking....Is this the reason you left the church Dixiebow? You wanted to toot your horn or play your geetar? Are you burning incense now as well? B.Clinton would be proud of you.....
Show ME where Christ preached a message of "sectarianism", "exclusive-ism", and "arrogant we-know-it-all-ism"......oh yes....that defines the Pharisees who HE blasted unmercifully; and it defines you and your denomination so very well.
As a preivous poster stated: "please do not lump all CoC members together". You could say the sam about some other congregation and that would be incorrect lumping them all together.
they beleive water baptism saves u when the bible clearly says that works dont save u.
uwique 1 month ago
campellite heretics!!
uwique 1 month ago
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If the thief on the cross was saved without being baptized (because he was under the Old Covenant), why would Jesus tell Nicodemus (who was also under the Old Covenant) that he needed to be baptized?
uwique 1 month ago
The True Church is in Heaven not on earth assembled in buildings. It is made up of souls that have been faithful. From many different denominations and non-denominations. From those who accept the teaching of Jesus. Love.
traggicshame 1 year ago
@traggicshame the churches of christ is not a building,..it is the saved who gather together to pray and break bread
all2GOD1 1 year ago
@bonsai731 There are tombstones from the 1700's of preachers and elders who are described as members of the church of Christ, but it doesn't matter. The question is not one of succession, but of identity. No religious group can trace a succession back to Pentecost: the Roman Catholics and some Baptist splinter groups have been known to try, and whoever they "hitch up" to was called about anything other than a Roman Catholic or Baptist, so that effort falls short.
lllllannalllll 1 year ago
More legalistic drivel from yet another denomination. They(all denominations) are man-made, Satan-inspired foolishness.
nachodaddy 1 year ago
@nachodaddy we have no earhtly leaders,our founder is in heaven,..christ alone
all2GOD1 1 year ago
lol @ dickiebow ..you're 51?
tarheel1569 2 years ago
More from the prince of meekness and darkness!
dickiebow2003 2 years ago
Keep up the good work!
AbramSailor79 2 years ago
This is the CofC:
It is a 150 year old denomination that legalistically misinterprets the Word of God in a Cut & Paste fashion, while either interpreting verses in a convoluted way, or by ignoring completely the scripture that invalidates their "limited" and errant theology.
They have no understanding of:
Hermaneutics
GRACE
Baptism
Holy Spirit
ASSURANCE of Salvation
They sing AMAZING GRACE, but don't think it's AMAZING - because they rely on the flesh to maintain their salvation!
dickiebow2003 3 years ago
Accusations are cheap. Proving the allegation is usually a little more difficult. We have a pretty decent understanding of baptism, for example - nobody can successfully refute it. You certainly wouldn't debate our position - you might "hit and run" - throw out broad accusations and skip from subject to subject. We attempt to rightly divide the Word and "call Bible things by Bible names." My bet is that you do not.
nikeshoxman 3 years ago
Check your email - your notion of Baptism for Salvation has now been successfully refuted, if you have the courage to open your mind to it.
dickiebow2003 3 years ago
YOUR WORDS - "We have a pretty decent understanding of baptism."
Not only is that absurdly ARROGANT, but exactly how is that possible since the rest of the Christian World understands it differently - wonder why? Are they just being cantankerous? - Do they just take obedience lightly? Thumbing their nose at GOD just for sport?
dickiebow2003 3 years ago
You cannot simply clump all CofCs together. Not all CofCs are as ignorant and spiritually void. I am presently a student at a CofC seminary where classes on the theology of evil, systematic theology and spiritual formation are not only offered but some are required. To claim that all CofCers are void of the thing you listed is false and does nothing to edify anyone who reads it. The CofC is a great church, but not the only right church. We, as Chrisitans, need to unite under our shared faith.
mma85 2 years ago
To say that the church of Christ is not the only right church is to say that Christ has more than one body whereas the Bible says that there is only one body (Eph. 4:4).
jerrydmcdonald2001 2 years ago
Your statement is patently obsurd and completely arrogant - the "Church of our Lord" IS indeed the 'body of Christ" and the "body of Christ" is an "ORGANISM" (body!) not an "organization" that meets at a brick and mortar building with a sign out front with the name C of C "copped" from Romans 16:16. Freind, the roll is called up yonder, NOT at the local Church of Christ denomination's building - give us a break, and quit keeping others out of the body with your sectarian spirit and theology!
dickiebow2003 2 years ago
What CofC seminary - do they teach "salvation by grace thru faith in Christ" without additions that then make grace null and void? Do they teach assurance of salvation? Are your works because of "Christ's Saving Work" OR are your works to maintain your own salvation. If not, I stand by all my statements!
dickiebow2003 2 years ago
Dixie....you grasp of the Bible and salvation isabout on the same level as my grasp of quantum physics....
Still working against the Lord's church I see...how big of you
TruthChamp 2 years ago
I love the Lord's Church - when are you going to join it, and get out of the C of C denomination and cult - still saved by works? Still maintaining your salvation by works? Still robbing from God's Glory? There is not a better time to repent of your satanic theology and come out!
dickiebow2003 2 years ago
"...when are you going to join it..."
You wreak of denominationalism....no one "joins" the Lord's church you heretic....God adds to His church those who have obeyed the Gospel...Acts 2:47....I know you hate verses like this one and numerous others because it exposes you for the apostate wanderer you are.....How much you must detest the book of James...
TruthChamp 2 years ago
Bill Clinton would love the way you parse words...you legalist cult member.
I love the book of James...especially chapter 2....you know the verse you guys like to misinterpret and build your entire errant theology on "faith without works is dead"
But I understand that "before God" I am justified by "faith" BUT "before men" I am justified by "works" because they cannot see the true faith that God obviously can. God is not waiting to see how I perform because he see the faith.
Delete!
dickiebow2003 2 years ago
Shameful that Dixiebow stoops to levels where he considers what God's word says as "the way you parse words"......scripture says there is no salvation outside of the Lord's church, but Dixiebow says there is.....hmmmmm, whom to believe
TruthChamp 2 years ago
Since you claim to be a Champ of Truth, maybe you should give some long hard serious thought to this Truth from our Lord as you continue to keep others out of the kingdom.
"Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us" "Do not stop him, Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us....and will certainly not lose his reward.
dickiebow2003 2 years ago
Dixie....I wasn't aware you were performing miracles....good for you
And btw loonster, I nor anyone else has the power to "keep others out of the kingdom"....this is quite possibly the most ludicrous heresy from you yet....You're officially Prince of Nonsense....congrats
TruthChamp 2 years ago
Just as I suspected - you are not only an ignoramus, but you are a smart-ass to boot.
13 But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.
Matt. 23:13
Go read the Beatitudes - you won't find yourself mentioned there either!
Delete
dickiebow2003 2 years ago
"Just as I suspected - you are not only an ignoramus, but you are a smart-ass to boot."- Dixiebows
Such words of wisdom from the resident heretic who equates scripture with B.Clinton's parsing of the English language and thinks he can still perfor miracles....your infantile persona leaves much to be desired
TruthChamp 2 years ago
TruthChamp, while you would have us believe that you have 'cornered the market' on truth, it is quite obvious to all on YouTube that you exhibit no "Beatitude Attitude" whatsoever. Let's see..... TruthChamp.....poor in spirit? No, you fail miserably on the first Beatitude so we can all be assured that you cannot but fail the rest of the Beatitudes as well.
You might read the Matthew 5:1--11, we all pray that you might fall under conviction by the work of the Holy Spirit. Good Luck!!
dickiebow2003 2 years ago
Dixiebow...you sir, have exhibited the very opposite of humbleness and humility in 99% of your YouTube career.... is there a Beatitude for pride? If so, you certainly have it mastered for you consistently shout down those who are members of the Lord's church as you clamor against them/us with your manmade philosophies and insight, never once stopping to think clearly just what it is you desire to accomplish..
Our diaglogue should have ended months ago, but your adolescent ramblings won't end
TruthChamp 2 years ago
"shout down those who are members of the Lord's church" - I have done no such thing, as all of my comments to date have been directed at those in your specific denomination/cult. Those who are in the Lord's church want no part of your sectarian denomination.
DELETE for the final time and good riddance!
dickiebow2003 2 years ago
"...all of my comments to date have been directed at those in your specific denomination/cult."
Really Dixie bow? Can you show us YOUR church in the Bible? Of course not, therefore you are nothing more than an apostate hypocrite....and I seriously doubt the apostate label you wear...
Dixiebow....there is a church in the Bible...you know it and I know it....you've decided to reject it and lash out with the "cult" charge that only reinforces what we already knew about you....so sad
TruthChamp 2 years ago
Show ME where Christ preached a message of "sectarianism", "exclusive-ism", and "arrogant we-know-it-all-ism"......oh yes....that defines the Pharisees who HE blasted unmercifully; and it defines you and your denomination so very well.......so call it what you want ...play your Romans 16:16, Eph 5:19 and your "where is your church in the bible" SELF-DELUTED GAMES until your deceived heart is content, OR until the Holy Spirit engulfs you and regenerates your deceitful and blind heart !!!
dickiebow2003 2 years ago
Whether or not you're in a church found in scriptures is a game? Dixiebow....don't you know Christ shed His blood for His church? And it's a game to you if we're in it? Unbelievable.....so sad
And Eph 5:9? lol...are you kidding me? Who brought up instrumental music? You are ADD bordering on retarded I'm thinking....Is this the reason you left the church Dixiebow? You wanted to toot your horn or play your geetar? Are you burning incense now as well? B.Clinton would be proud of you.....
TruthChamp 2 years ago
So what the answer to my question idiot?
Show ME where Christ preached a message of "sectarianism", "exclusive-ism", and "arrogant we-know-it-all-ism"......oh yes....that defines the Pharisees who HE blasted unmercifully; and it defines you and your denomination so very well.
dickiebow2003 2 years ago
John 8:32 seems pretty exclusive to me....
Ashame you still haven't found it...
TruthChamp 2 years ago
I am free indeed!
dickiebow2003 2 years ago
"I am free indeed!" -Dixiebow
And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light....2 Cor 11:14
Not suprising at all you "feel" that way.....
TruthChamp 2 years ago
As a preivous poster stated: "please do not lump all CoC members together". You could say the sam about some other congregation and that would be incorrect lumping them all together.
AbramSailor79 2 years ago
Excellent. Historically and scripturally accurate.
bjobe1964 3 years ago
HOGWASH - Historically and scripturally in-accurate
dickiebow2003 3 years ago