John Searle on Ludwig Wittgenstein: Section 5

[TheJoyfulPianist]

"excellent job I thought that was." great ending.hehe. Thank you so much for the upload.

[S2Cents]

Got to like how Magee gives props to Searle and they left it in. And it was an excellent job, as usual, by the talented teacher that Searle is.

[HumanActivitySystem]

@S2Cents Searle is great except when he attempts to criticize Wittgenstein. Then, quite frankly, he muddies the waters and falls on his face. Other then that, though, he is very engaging and an excellently clear elucidator of Wittgenstein's general positions.

[S2Cents]

@HumanActivitySystem I'm very interested in Searle's criticisms of Wittgenstein here. I'd love your (or anybody out there's) feedback on Searle's criticisms of Wittgenstein. Specifically Searle's comments on language games and religious belief and Wittgenstein's failure to appreciate that obviously when theistic believers play their particular god-talk game they surely do so believing they're referring to something real and outside of words (etc).

[HumanActivitySystem]

@S2Cents I made my criticism on the criticisms, if you will (will to power?), in Section 4, but I would ask, firstly, in order to find out if there even is a problem, what exactly constitutes the problem; why the idea of believing in something outside of words is even an issue here? Isn't it really that said people, in fact, truly believe in "The Word?" It seems to me, that said people believe so much in "The Word" that they think through "The Word" they can live forever (as deaf mutes?)

[dantgood]

Thumbs up for watching the whole thing! 25,693 ain't bad.

[CaptainMacdonald]

Amazing point about how something outside of the language game can give language meaning, which is what we see in religion, spirituality as well as private sensation talk. I think language is used as an approximation and a means of directing people to something outside of it at that point, which is how discourse in psychological therapy, buddhism, and plenty of of other "language games" that pretty much everyone plays

[OscarSarcastro]

The ending is brilliant!

[munkybrain]

i know it's been up a while but thanks a lot for posting. ssen your uploader name on a few videos i've enjoyed, actually

[Guaguanco11]

There's nothing like a stirring fanfare to end an hour of intellectual perspiration!

[spondulas]

This is great. Thanks for uploading. What year is was filmed?

[warhols25]

This interview is excellent. I love Wittgenstein's philosophy of the mind. It will be relevant for eons to come.

[polymath7]

@warhols25 So then; you admire Searle on philosphy of mind, and, (presumably) Warhol as an artist.

*cringe*

Those are two collossal strikes.

[avastyer]

@polymath7

Hey, look, a "polymath" troll.

[warhols25]

@polymath7 yes, and Warhol has strictly subjected himself to Wittgenstein's remarks by virtually never using words too loquaciously...

[Nogoodnamesanymore]

so good

[dmanister]

Question for Searle: does later Wittgenstein say that we are always in language, that no experience exists outside of language OR, does On Certainty contain a reversal of that assertion, as when Wittgenstein describes our avoidance of fire as pure act?

[brandonhalf]

Thank you, great offering.

[xpressivist]

Wittgenstein's theory of language in the Tractatus is so primitive. That's why in the end he concluded that it's senseless. We should turn to Chomsky, Fodor, and Pinker to learn a sensible and real knowledge about language and its acquisition for this generation and the next.

[bkishar]

Great series of posts 5 stars!

[ThePhilosorpheus]

Thanks a lot for the post

[rajasmasala]

thanks, flame. If only some of the technical niggles could be removed...*sigh* but I'm glad that the niggles didnt stop you from posting. The Hegel one in particular really helped things settle down in my mind.

[sauser975]

LW used his own sharply analytical mind to find the limits of analysis. The PI is filled with logical paradox that call perception into question as much as abstraction. Artists and composers of astounding originality do much of the same thing. Systems exist but always transcend themselves. The Tractatus holds, but not forever; temporality and change invade everything, pictures included. Picasso' s paintings will fade in coming centuries. Zen.

[Myndir]

^ Pretentious? Tu?

[sauser975]

Warum?

[sauser975]

Du?

[franciz2006]

'Excellent job I thought that was.'

Classic.

[wildhias]

excelent job - Magee is right!

[louarmour]

'In the beginning was the deed'(Goethe *Faust*) could be the motto for Wittgenstein's later philosophy. With respect to the last few minutes I think scholars have only just begun to truly appreciate the brilliance and the implications of Wittgenstein's 'On Certainty'.

Nice one, Flame.

[leyley5678]

sorry. I meant Byran Magee. watch his lips

[leyley5678]

Thanks for posting. I really needed this video for a paper I'm writing on LW for philosophy class. I am wondering what was really said the last few seconds by John Searle during the interview. What was played in the audio is not what was said the video. Notice the lip formation in the video....it does not match at all what was play audibly. Thanks.

[MononofuBlood]

Gracias por el video, flame. I enjoyed it very much, and, like another bloke said on one of the other parts, Searle "makes Wittgenstein sound easy". How I wish I could take one of his courses.

[popnorth]

listening to talk, especially conversational talk, really engages my attention in a way that just solitary reading of text does not. why? the hand gestures, the focus of the eyes, the sonic emphasis given to the words, the lack of hesitation, or repetition , engages my attention in a deep way. truely a rave, a heightened form of language, a public rhetoric that is qualitatively different than say two builders talking about their job. but why is this?

[dedbusted]

@popnorth Ah! but a great writer should be able to do the same...even more--Nietzsche, for example.

[Jamesbharris2]

But what does Bryan Magee say right at the end? Sounds like 'excellent job, I thought, that'.

[Jamesbharris2]

Spectacularly ace!

[korona3103]

Thank you so much!

[dreamcastII]

Brilliant !

I have the book of this dialogue and now to see this in action is great.

Very kind of you to post this

[michaelgj23]

You get Coolness credits for posting the video. Times your coolness credits by a factor of five for the BSG profile.

[theinternetscholar]

very good vid

however i kinda dislike the ending, there still is a lot more (not saying it wasn't great and everything, just that too me it felt like a kinda cliffhanger) . . like the last 30 seconds

[21cdeleuze]

excellent job ! thanks for sharing Flame : )

[svengalistudios]

Thanks Flame

[panglahn]

rockin! makes wittgenstein seem easy...

[channel537]

Thanks for posting this. Wonderful discussion.

[codydjango]

my first comment: Thanks so much for posting these vids! What a great find!

[ToiletWave]

Yay. I've been sitting in on a Searle Philosophy of Language lecture @ Cal, and though Wittgenstein comes up briefly in conversation here and there, I've been itching to know Searle's personal take on the guy. Youtube wins again.

[mankato86]

hHAHA

[ZwolfZki]

I enjoyed these 5 immensely...

K

[rmb1100xxv]

Outstanding, cheers.

[ejscastro1973]

Thanks a lot. These talks are supreme.

[CPLains]

thanks :)=

[portoxali]

Thanks a lot for this very interesting talk. Will be much appreciated if other discussions are added.

[theecs]

this is awesome.. many thanks, deeply appreciative of your efforts

[ContraWagner]

Excellent video!!! John Searle is so well spoken.

[husserlreid]

Wonderful discussion on Wittgenstein.

[flame0430]

Glad you enjoyed it!

I plan to add 5 more discussions (one more on Wittgenstein), though I probably won't be able to get to it for several weeks.