5/10/08: A Freezoner Speaks to NYC Anonymous, Part 1

[dooseyboy]

can someone put subtitles plz???

[broadbent48]

His voice is really irritating. ...Sorry.

[JillyX92]

A man with an accent? Get him out of there! We evil terrorist Anons hate people of other ethnicities! Now lets look up tragedies in the news so we can laugh at them!

[robhugo]

I love how the crowd yells louder, and the guy holding the megaphone tells Victor to yell into the microphone, even though the idiot is pointing it straight up.

[AnonNation]

Actually, Victor was moving the mouthpiece farther away from his mouth as he kept talking, meaning less sound was being picked up by the device.

[yamaka138]

For those of you who don't know, most of the beginnings of scintology is made up of stolen and rewritten works from different sources, but mainly from old, dead, obscure swedish guy I think. Too lazy to go get my refrences. I mean, regardless, most of the stuff in there at first is common sense mixed with psychiatry.

[ValerieBarlow]

this guy needs a tailor

[Clausfarre]

Scientology shrunk him!

[ConnerHawke]

LULZ

[gtarluva]

It's a sad thing, but 'yes' a lot of the knowledge in Scientology is real and helpful. Unfortunately , I believe, it has grown into an out of control corporate monster and people see the 'real and helpful' knowledge in there and end up overwhelmed by the monster. I've been thru it and my advice is if the knowledge interests you, take it, but steer clear of the corporation/Church.Perhaps Freezone is a way to do that.

[archronwe]

This is correct. I cant say much about freezone because it will interfere with the flow of attack from anon to the Church or organization of Scientology. & that needs to be done first. The devil must die before any solution can emerge.

[gtarluva]

fair enough.

[phil4eagle]

I can attest to this. I have benefitted greatly from techniques developed by Hubbard. I attended the church for about three months and then I left because of the money situation. It is my believe that the church has changed and has done some abusive things. It has become about money and some members are about controlling people but the techniques do work. I know from first hand experience.

[gtarluva]

I can agree with you about the workability of the techniques. That's what get and keeps people there. I was working in there for over 10 years and trained to a fairly high level and it took me that long to become fed up enough with the organizations/corporations to say 'fuck off'. I think the the best stuff of Scientology is the first stuff you learn too by the way.

[archronwe]

Totally agree! As far as I'm concerned Miscavige contributed greatly to Hubbard's death, got rid of Mayo who was brilliant calling him an Sp because all Miscavige wanted was $ at the expense of others freedom. I cant believe demons like this exist in this day & age but they do I find it laughable he has speeches about SPs & yet he's the biggest Sp the church has ever had. He increased the prices 10 times & rewrote tech to make it unworkable. However Hubbards problem was exaggeration of abilities

[gtarluva]

Interesting. Yeh, Ron definitely had that 'American self-confidence' thing goin on. That's part of why people get suckered into believing everything he says - most people want that self-confidence. Can you direct me to a good source of info on Mayo ?

[archronwe]

What have u searched so far? Someone high gave me personally these taped conversations of Mayo talking to & about Miscavige when DM labelled Mayo an Sp so he could then horde all the Cof$ money for himself he had to get rid of any ethical person in the church because they would have gone to authorities about the crimes that were about to take place when DM takes over the helm. I'm very tempted to upload it but I'm wondering what shitstorm it will bring. Others I know have copies of these as well

[gtarluva]

I actually haven't looked into Mayo at all, just got interested by your comment. I'd appreciate any suggestions on info. Since I left the org/church I've actually become more interested in it's roots than when I was in it .Tryin to make sense of it all I guess.

[archronwe]

Start with the David Mayo on youtube about disillusionment & then OT7 view all his videos on youtube first then come back to me for more info.

[gtarluva]

Thanks for that. I'll check it out and get back to you.

[aidita2000]

I have been fairgamed by the 'church'.

[mollie2810]

How can someone support a cult that has a "under the table policy"? Fair game is real and has to stop. And if it's under the table, now it will be put above.

[xemutv]

Of course fair game is a reality but it is a under the table policy.

How can you stop something you cannot see.

[xemutv]

I think that fair game is down to extreme members flaunting their power.

Have you investigated how many people have left the church with no problems at all.

[AnonNation]

That still doesn't change the fact that fair game is a reality. You even admit to believing so in this response so whatever point you are trying to make is entirely moot.

[xemutv]

Do you think that everybody who leaves the church is fairgamed?

GET REAL!

[AnonOutreach]

xemu:

I would suspect it would depend on the level of "threat" that is perceived by their detractive stance and the resources available to shut them up.

For all the yap--there aren't enough CoS members to chase everyone around who blows, particularly if several or many blow at the same time.

If someone in management blows and a low-end member blow at the same time, where do you think are they going to place their resources?

[xemutv]

BE SERIOUS!

I am a freezoner.

[xemutv]

I was never fairgamed.

[AnonNation]

Well, you are a Scilon spreading misinformation on the Co$'s behalf. Of course you're not going to be fair gamed.

[Calanagear]

This guy really gets what should be done, and admits that Hubbard was wrong. Wow. No wonder Scientology gets freaked out by the Freezone.

[buttons333]

Thanks for posting this.

Adds to my base of information.

[coastwalker]

Interesting speech, just proves that its not the Scientology tech thats completely barking - its the leaders of the business making money out of it.

[vivarose]

Its hard to understand him through the megaphone with his accent, but it is highly educational. Thanks for putting it up!

[sungis]

:)

i am happy to see freezone.

[Kentkillmore]

El Rone Hoopard. He makes a good point.