Any video with Hamilton in. I don't mind if someone dislikes Hamilton, but saying that you'll dance in your underwear the day he crashes at Tamburello is just disgusting.
I can't stand Hamilton - he's nothing but a spoiled brat who was parachuted into the top team. He's never had to work hard for a win and can't handle it when he doesn't. However - how can anybody truly believe Glock let him by. All Glock and Toyata needed to do here if they wanted Hamilton to win was pit Glock for new tyres like everyone else and this classic finish would never have happened. And Glock would have finished 1 spot lower. Toyota and Glock did everything they could to keep that spot
GAH, Conspiracy this, conspiracy that...SHUT THE HELL UP! What you all need to remember is that this was probably the greatest nail-biting down to the wire championship end of ALL time! Never before was there such a tense ending to a championship where it LITERALLY came down to the last few seconds! There might be one or two last lap champ victories but I don't recall a last corner. It was a truly fantastic end to what was a fantastic season!
@TheSupernaturalGuy and MANY might not be able to grasp this concept but I'm a FERRARI fan and as gutted as I was about the outcome I wasn't going to let it take away what was IMO a great race
I fucking hate thick people! Massa, Raikonen,Alonso, Vettel and Hamilton were all struggling to race with dry tyres on the wet, it was pouring! They were all in front of Glock who also asked to come in to put on wet tyres. His team took the gamble by letting him out with dry tyres and as we can see in this video it didn´t pay off, even my granny would by faster than him if she was given the same car but with wet tyres on. Or do you think Raikonen crashed on purpose to let Lewis win in Spa?? -.-
Drivers are not going to give up places in the last race of the season, does not matter if God is in the mirrors. With how close the season was points wise, a few places could mean millions in TV money. You can see how much more out of shape his car is when compared to the vid from Hams car. Glock was counter steering more than he was steering.
If anything he hindered Hamilton by staying out. this is why the why the conspiracy is just immediately disproved. not only is there evidence that Glock was struggling, he lost exactly the amount of time as Trulli. Massa and Hamilton and everyone who gambled on inters needed it to rain. and it did in the last lap, which is why Glock's gamble failed.
This video proves Glock didn't let Hamilton through. He gambled and managed to gain a few places by not stopping, and there's nothing he could do to keep Hamilton behind. He could've defended in that turn, but it would be dangerous and Hamilton would get him at the exit of the last corner easily anyway. Hamilton won the championship fair and square, he might've been a bit lucky in the end but Glock didn't let him through, period.
@fasfsfetat as for Hamilton himself, this fortune was a well deserved "vengeance". How many times did we see him being "blocked" by some controversial penalties. Sad news for Massa but in terms of overall season, I think Hamilton deserved more to become the world champion. Don't get me wrong I'm not a McLaren fan.
Oh and their rivalry continues until now, sadly its not for championship matters.
@lukassinterklas Agreed, I think Hamilton deserved it more as well. But was was impressive nevertheless, especially in this race, probably the best drive of his career.
@fasfsfetat I don't agree. I admit, there were certains "blocks" for Hamilton along the way, but... Massa was literally 100% helpless to lose 20 points. Singapore was one example, but Hungary was by far the worst. Start of the year, brilliant drive, and the engine let him down 3 laps from the end.
@SCOTTYHG1 or perhaps Toyota just wanted a good result, you know, to score as many points as possible, because that's what you want when you're in formula one? Did that occur to you?
@GazaMillar2010 He said that in this clip didn't you hear? He just said it like the race was on a timer lol . I understand that they were close to the finish line but the way he said it.
Massa who?? lol He cant drive at all, he is constantly getting owned by his teamies. Schumacher did that, and now Alonso is showing him who is boss. Anyway Glock just should have pitted for intermediates as well, then he wouldnt have been the topic about this useless discusion.
@markfsr Dumb cunt. 'Massa who' doesn't make any sense, you'd have to say 'Felipe who'. Felipe Massa, thats who, the man who should've been World Champion '08 if it were not for Timo Glock's fuck up.
@EuropeanTourism xD whatever! nobody deserved that tittle the only reason he was up there in the point standing was because the other title candidates screwed up a lot of races. If you have watched all races the last 10 years you probably would notice that he is getting owned by his team m8 year after year he is just a 2nd driver and thats it. xD
@markfsr Second driver to 2 greats of all time (Schuey and Alonso) does not make him a bad driver. You do not get to within a point of being World Champion unless you are a great driver. Whats all this bullshit about the other title contenders screwing up races, the points tallies don't lie over the course of a season. It's a damn shame Massa didn't win it in 2008.
@markfsr Yea and Wtf do you know about driving a formula 1 car? Massa held his own in 07 and 08 when he actually got comfortable with the team. He had just arrived in 06 and obviously in 09 he had his accident and hasn't been the same since. Take a step back and look at the big picture, you're making unfair judgments on him and i'm not even a ferrari fan.
@pp0u1110 amazing how you insinuate that this was fixed on multiple videos without watching the onboard clips from timos car on that last lap. So kindly go fuck yourself
@ConnorSlatter all massa fans can say he was lucky, THING THEY FORGET IS the race before this one riko let massa through to decrease the gap between him and lewis so lewis shouldnt of had to fight for this point in the first place.
Ah so that's what happened! I always saw footage of Hamilton overtaking Glock, but the commentary never said why he was going that slow (for the record, I only started wachting Formula One about a year or so, so I didn't see this race). Now I know :)
I don't see how anyone would believe Glock let Hamilton through. If he actually wanted Hamilton to win, he could have simply stopped for inters, as he was behind Hamilton prior to his (Hamilton's) stop.
how can people say he moved over for hamilton after watching that it was so slippery on those slicks plus he got overtaken by three cars on the last corner not just hamilton
How people can still say it was a conspiracy/Glock let him through, Hamilton was lucky etc etc. You see the on board shots now, Glock is basically ice skating his way round the track, so no, he didn't do it on purpose. Any different permetation of either both or neither of them stopping would have had the same result.
@bugsbugs42 Exunctly, imagine the ridiculous amount of planning that would take "Jarno... umm gunna need you to go 20 seconds off the pace for no reason on the last lap, CHEERS!"
Ferrari fans all the same. If there not winning all they do is moan and speculate! Racing is racing, follow the rules (I know its hard for the Ferarri team) and enjoy the sport!
@ThEtErRoRiZeR1134 Was it Spa in 2007 when the FIA took his win away? or was that 2008? Because that was not fair, he cut the corner, by accident, due to the weather condition, and slotted in behind Kimi, and then over took him, AND Kimi ended up crashing anyway..
@ThEtErRoRiZeR1134 Thats the exact same thing I was going to say! He lets Vettel passed, who is in 5th at the time, and he gets to 4th, and then lets hamilton, and then lets who ever is behind hamilton, AND you can see he's got near to no grip in his car on the dry tyres..
@85devotee I am no Ferrari fan and I am no Massa fan. Also, I am no racist etc. Among other things, 4 million km (2.5 million miles) in various racing sims in the past 22 years, ~half of which in F1 (over 300.000 laps at Monza alone in the last 14 years - more than a full race distance per day), and numerous lap records in karts (rental and racing tracks, usually done in the first 30 minutes) give me quite a bit of insight into what is reasonable and what is absurd. Timo's driving looked absurd.
@85devotee Correction: over 300,000 laps - in our language, we have a decimal COMMA, while in English, it's a decimal POINT. That's why I (despite being a translator) sometimes fukk that up. Chances are I did more dry tyre/wet track and wet tyre/dry track laps in simulation than most F1 guys did wet tyre/wet track simulation. It's great fun trying to be "competitive" (well, it's just about damage limitation, not actual competitiveness) with the wrong tyres. Timo should give it try... :-))))))
@stefanarak I just think Timo (who is an excellent driver, ESPECIALLY in the wet) didn't try the proper way (i.e. as well as he could). To me, it looks like he's trying to make it LOOK like he cannot go any faster. I mean, if, FOR ANY REASON, he wanted to slow down, it would be unacceptable if it didn't look justified. I don't suggest he DEFINITELY did this for Lewis, I just suggest he could have gone faster and I BELIEVE he knew it full well and knew HOW to go faster (higher gear, lower revs).
@stefanarak HA, I FOUND THE ULTIMATE EVIDENCE! After two+ years of watching, reading, and typing about this incident, there is a PERFECT example of what I have been saying for EONS! And it doesn't come from anyone else than LEWIS HAMILTON HIMSELF!!! Look at "Lewis Hamilton Brazil 2008" in the right video list here. WATCH CAREFULLY, WHERE (AT WHAT RPM) HE SHIFTS UP!!!! THERE YOU HAVE IT!!! Either Timo is god damned STUPID (which, of course, he IS NOT!!!) or he did that SLIDING SHOW on purpose!!!
@stefanarak I am talking about the downhill left hand corner (Mergulho), where Lewis shifts really short, avoiding the otherwise inevitable loss of rear end and gaining a position over Glock. The combination of this proper driving and proper tyres did the "magic". Timo just "THREW IN THE TOWEL", precisely as Massa's race engineer said. TIMO COULD HAVE GONE FASTER AND DID NOT. And ONLY his driving is to blame, not the tyres. The tyres alone did not justify the final lap performance.
@jakubkrcma Please answer these questions seriously, I want to know, because if you provide good answers then I guess you can be taken seriously: How come Trulli did a slower lap? Why did glock not simply pit like everyone else, if he wanted to help Hamilton to win the championship? In this case there would be absolutely no way other than Timo being behind Hamilton.
@stefanarak Jarno was substantially slower than Timo in all laps near the end of the race, in the last lap, he was actually just a couple milliseconds slower. I am NOT saying Timo wanted to help Hamilton. I am saying he drove slower than he could and I am ASKING why. When you analyse the situation thoroughly, chances are he would actually be in front of Lewis (like Robert unlapping himself from LH), if he pitted even at the end of lap 69 (with just two laps to go). Very fast stop, no refueling.
@stefanarak I said that earlier (maybe in a different video discussion here on YT). That's probably the reason - he was under great pressure and just didn't handle the situation as well as he would normally. His 4th position was exceptional that year for Toyota, their average was like 8.2 or something. But the thing that bothers me is that he did not short shift. That's what I just cannot accept. When you want to play it safe, short shifting is the first thing you do with dry tyres in the wet.
@jakubkrcma Well, I think you've answered your own question then- pressure! For example- webber knows to stay off kerbs in the wet, any driver knows that! Didn't stop him from lapsing in Korea this year. Similarly hamilton in 2007.. I guess the pressure gets to the best of them.
@stefanarak I agree about the pressure, with over 1,000 world records in simulation in the last 13 years (using all kinds of vehicles, joystick, keyboard, two different wheels+pedals, and even the bloody mouse) I know about stress, frustration, patience, etc. more than most people. But the mere fact that somebody fails to keep their position cannot make me suspect stuff. It is THE WAY he failed to keep it and the precise point where and how he failed (basically the last corner of the season).
@stefanarak I mean when there is an abyss (sliding off the track) and you want to play it safe, you don't keep walking towards it like nothing's happening (pushing to too high rpm in the gears). Also, when you want to play it safe, you pit. When you gamble, you take all the risks. His whole driving AND strategy were just VERY strange. They showed an internal conflict, like he doesn't know what he wants, like he's TOTALLY confused. And that's just not F1 level. F1 must be excellent at all times.
@jakubkrcma are you mad you can clearly see that the back was stepping out even when he was barely pressing the throttle just he couldn't go any faster without spining out
@gtaboy1224567 He could, in a higher gear. He just miscalculated the fact that just because he's in a higher gear than he'd be on a dry track, it doesn't mean it's high enough. You can do 1:44 in the wet on dry tyres and with a dry setup using 7th gear only... Using 5th, 6th, and 7th in a combination, you can do 1:38 or even less... And 1:38 was all he needed to keep P4. He failed, but I understand that the pressure was just too much for him to handle... It all peaked simultaneously...
Oh I seeeeee, it is now completely obvious (from your 5 post outburst) that you're a bitter Kimifan, whining like a girl & moaning like a lil bitch... about Lewis Hamilton, LOL.
Your bitter ignorance doesn't even warrant a particularly in-depth response from me, only that every point you make is wrong, blinkered or silly.
But if posting endless (and totally pointless) rants about Lewis makes you (and that chip on your shoulder) feel better about your own shitty, empty life... then so be it.
@bmk139 Incorrect, I am a very happy fan of Kimi and a bitter LH antifan (until he becomes a man enough and stops doing his dirty/ignorant/self-centered stuff every other race). Any sports result is only morally valid if achieved in a fair way. Lewis has had every opportunity imaginable to become a true legend in the 4 seasons so far, with his skill and equipment. Instead, he lets his dark side take over way too often. Kimi, Mika, DC etc. are true gentlemen, by comparison.
And one more thing - if you think my criticism is blind, because I have not driven a real world contemporary F1 car, it goes both ways - your admiration of any specific driver for any specific performance is just as blind, unless you've driven HIS SPECIFIC CAR IN COMPARABLE CONDITIONS. We use only what is available to us. You have your opinion, I have mine. That's OK... :-)
What I mean is that SKILL is NOTHING without PROPER conduct. And Lewis Hamilton, just like his father BTW, has no understanding of that principle. He had the best equipment and team support from day 0 and the inevitable success just blurred his mind, as he so often expresses... If somebody hurt him, he'd be entitled to hit back, like Senna did several times against the Prost/Balestre team. But just like early MS, Lewis is very often the first to deliver unfair blows... He has no class.
If you remember correctly, both Toyotas were languishing outside the top eight when the rain came - they gambled on staying out while everyone else pitted and ended up scoring some points so it was a damn good decision I think you'll find
staying with slick on wet was the worst decision toyota has ever done cause it didn't hurt their driver only, it affected the outcome of the champioship taking it away from Massa who deserved it soooo much...
@muppet6789 if he pitted at the same time as all the other drivers hamilton would have been behind him u fool... and overtaking that other guy that was in front of lewis(can't remember the name) seemed imposible for him so i think Massa would have indeed won the championship
@VOUCHIHAxSASUKE What are you on about? Glock had spent the entire race behind Hamilton who was running in 4th as he pitted. Hamilton came out of the pits in 5th place due to Glock not pitting, so Hamilton didn't need to overtake anyone to win the title, and had only lost a place due to Glocks tyre gamble. It's very simple mathematics.
Timo did a good job just to keep it on the road. Those types of conditions are actually the worst. When you get just enough rain to bring up the oils from under the track surface it is so slick and difficult compared to it being genuinely soaked.
For any conspiracy theorists still out there: all Glock would have had to do to hand the championship to Hamilton was to pit along with EVERYBODY ELSE! Why leave it down to the last corner if there was a genuine conspiracy?
The thing that people forget is that the race before farrari did a switch and put massa ahead of kimi to gain an extra point so its fully deserved that hamilton got this because she should not have had to worry aobut this spot in the first place
Glock was in 6th, 10 seconds behind Hamilton and Vettel before the rain poored down, he decided to not pit for Inters and continue on his slicks. Glock gained two places and was 15 to 20 seconds ahead, but with 5 laps to go, Hamilton's better tyres closed the gap and eventually passed him in the last corner (!)
So here we have it... The proof that Glock didn't let Hamilton through! Then Massa blames Piquet Jr for losing the championship at SIngapore... Massa's mechanics should be blamed for releasing him while the fuel hose was attached. This also shows Hamilton was a worthy champion.
i have heard a lot of drivvle on other vids about there not being any spray. the fact is there didnt have to be. Glocks tyres must have been stone cold plus rain on the track. stone cold tyres equals driving on ice. just to disprove any other theories
If the championship would have ended differently, just because that Massa had achieved more victories (kind of Spa victory?!) Formula 1 credibility was to be axed forever.
Hamilton, fully deserved Champion. Raikkonen, one year before him, as well.
the two greatest drivers of these years in Formula One.
Also for people who say Massa should have been champ lets not forget he got 2 extra victorys that were not ment to be his. In France Kimi had an exaust problem and was miles ahead of Massa and was down on power so massa caught him, and also Massa won in Spa despite being nowhere near Hamilton or Kimi in the race and won because of the penalty Hamilton got. Also Massa got 2 extra points in china because Kimi let Massa past.
You sir are retarded. Glock stayed out because he believed he could stay out and do decent lap times. You do realise that if Glock had pitted he would have been miles behind Hamilton anyway? you are a sore looser my friend, sore looser.
because its your passion? more likely u only watch f1 whe something interesting happens, thats all,
shitty way to win - ok thats why many people think that wast the most tense and exciting way to win a world championship, i just had to laugh at that comment of yours ' shitty way to win ' roflmao
no you imbysall , think about it, Glock tried to help Massa win the championship in a sense by not pitting for wet tyres, which made it seem like as if hamilton didnt have 5th place before that, actually before the rain, lewis was comfortably in 5th place, then he had to pit for wet tyres, meaning that glock could get past hamilton whilst hamilton was in the pits
my days, i dont know why people like you bother to watch f1 in the first place
@bmk139 No, it was not. The overall time was comparable, but the sector times were completely different and SUSPICIOUS, to say the LEAST. I am totally convinced that Glock "threw in the towel" as Felipe Massa's race engineer said. And you bet he KNOWS his stuff. Look at Brazil 2010 Qualifying Build Up for the interview, if you don't believe me. Glock knew very well that by not pushing, he's making his situation worse and worse, unnecessarily losing temperature/grip. He just gave up.
@jakubkrcma LOL, that is utter bullshit! Are you seriously suggesting that Glock, driving a car on worn slicks that had dropped below the temperature required to grip, could have sat in the cockpit deliberately manipulating his lap times for the last 3 laps to near identically match his team m8 who was behind, yet achieved it with completely different sector times AND still managed to keep his car on the track? Anyone who thinks that (or thinks Glock wasn't pushing) is either blind or stupid!
@bmk139 As I have just said in another vid comment, Glock, judging by his onboard footage, repeated the same error of not using higher gears (5-6 instead of 3-4) over and over again, letting his back step out in EVERY corner at higher revs in 4th gear, losing PRECIOUS time, race positions, and tyre temp/grip. And he did not defend his position AT ALL. His 1:44 can be done using JUST 7th gear, DRY SOFT tyres, DRY setup in FULL WET conditions. The bloody SAFETY CAR is just a bit slower!
@jakubkrcma Holy shit, you really are deluded, TRULLI ALSO POSTED 1.44, so was he deliberately trying to lose time aswell? Of course not you idiot!
And how the fuck is a driver who has no grip (even at part throttle) supposed to defend his position? And more to the point, who the fuck are you to question (or even presume) how an F1 car actually feels at the very limit of traction & grip?
As for basing your analysis on his onboard footage, all I can do is laugh at your armchair ignorance, lol..
@bmk139 Do you honestly believe that the actual FERRARI RACE ENGINEER OF FELIPE MASSA would say: "... Glock threw in the towel." meaning "... Glock gave up" without basis? And I learnt that just recently, confirming my own old opinion and feeling about what Glock did, based on the available data and footage, not to mention common sense. And Trulli was slower all race. When people are able to maintain comparable laptimes in laps 70/71 on INTERMEDIATES, conditions are NOT getting THAT much worse.
@FormulaOneFan4Eva In this very vid, you can clearly see that for some reason Timo isn't doing things right. The question is why. I find it VERY difficult to believe it was unintentional, since he's shown he is VERY fast in both dry and wet conditions. He is an excellent driver. You can see that every time he revs the 4th gear, his back end steps out, YET HE DOESN'T INSTINCTIVELY SHIFT UP AND REPEATS THE SAME ERROR OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN OTHER CORNERS. He ACTS as worse than a rookie! WHY???
@jakubkrcma - i'm not sure whether you realise it but the V8s of today have a VERY narrow torque curve, if he'd have shifted up to 5th THAT early, he'd have probably bogged it. timo here is clearly shifting several thousand revs earlier than he would in the dry.
also, the reason why the back end is stepping out is because, he's driving in the wet on the wrong tyres, very simple.
@FormulaOneFan4Eva E.g. would you believe that Piquet Jr., son of a three-time World Champion, did all that on purpose in Singapore 2008? That he drove like a mad man all of a sudden (incorrect use of everything) in order to cause a crash that would promote Fernando to victory? I wouldn't as well, and YET it actually happened! That was a huge eye opener! And Brazil 2008 took place BEFORE that scandal was published, so people could still believe they could get away with someting similar!
piquet was threatened with the sack if he didn't deliberately crash to help his team mate win. now, the critical thing here is that timo and lewis AREN'T team mates, there was no exchange of words before or during the race and timo was driving completely for himself.
comparing brazil and singapore 2008 is ludicrous...
@FormulaOneFan4Eva What I am saying is: Timo Glock DEFINITELY could have gone faster enough to keep 4th or 5th position. The reason for his extreme and sudden slowing down without the conditions getting substantially worse (which would even be reflected in the times of people with correct rubber) is the matter of my question: WHY? There are numerous possible explanations and some of them involve Lewis' WDC title. I am not suggesting it HAD to be related etc., I just consider that as possible.
@jakubkrcma - well, glock actually set a time marginally quicker than his team mate trulli, the only other guy on dry tyres at the time. so if we were to use that as a reference, glock was actually going as fast he could.
also, trulli was 11 seconds slower on lap 71 than he was on lap 70 so it was obvious that conditions were worsening.
@FormulaOneFan4Eva In ANY car: IF YOU CANNOT TRANSFER THE ENGINE'S TORQUE/POWER ON THE GROUND DUE TO POOR TRACTION, YOU JUST SHIFT UP INTO A HIGHER GEAR - YOU'RE NOT LOSING ANYTHING THAT WAY, YOU JUST GAIN REAR END STABILITY, IMPROVING THE OVERALL LAPTIME. And this applies on dry tarmac in some corners as well as on a wet track everywhere. If Glock "doesn't know this", then he shouldn't ever get to F1!!! EVERYBODY knows this...
@jakubkrcma - again, today's V8s have a very narrow torque curve, if glock shifted up again (from about 14000RPM - which was already in the low end of the torque curve), he'd have bogged it and stalled his engine.
short shifting is useful about 1-2000 RPM early in some cases, but not 5000.
again, you've completely failed to develop a compelling argument, all you have is blind speculation...
@FormulaOneFan4Eva You can clearly hear that he shifts from 3rd into 4th MUCH earlier than he then revs 4th. Since the RPM just after shifting gets higher with increasing gear number, there is NO way he'd stall the engine by shifting into 5th, 6th, and 7th at the same rev point where he shifts from 3rd into 4th. Even several thousand RPM lower, the engine wouldn't stall, despite obviously not being "happy" about it - but since this was the last lap of the last race and he was already gambling...
@jakubkrcma - because 3rd gear, by virtue of being shorter than 4th has a lot less mechanical drag to overcome. you clearly have no understanding of racing at all, just give up dude...
doing an entire lap in the wet in 6th gear would be stupid, he WOULD stall. also, i'd like to know what physics you used to calculate a 6 second advantage if he used 5th gear for the whole lap.
@FormulaOneFan4Eva He could do an entire lap in 5th gear without stalling the engine, which would give about 1:41 (~3 seconds faster than what he did). He could also do a lap using a suitable COMBINATION of 5th-7th gear and get 1:38 (6 s faster), which would be sufficient to keep 4th or 5th. Your idea that he HAD to rev 4th that much higher than 3rd is wrong. You're talking really low revs (concerning the danger of stalling the engine). 2.4 do have lower torque etc., but not that much.
@jakubkrcma - again, how did you get those figures? are you a mechanical engineer or something? i doubt it...
if glock could easily find 3-4 seconds, then why couldn't trulli in identical equipment on the same tyres? i'll tell you why, because they were both pushing.
glock wouldn't cost his team points and money just to allow hamilton (who had no personal connections to glock whatsoever) into the sufficient place, i doubt glock was even informed of hamilton's position...
@FormulaOneFan4Eva The estimate times come from sims testing. GP4, F1 2010 etc. The thing is that they both have a VERY similar time in lap 71, but the individual sectors are actually whole seconds apart. Trulli was substantially slower all day long with the same car and tyres, so it comes as a surprise that on the very last lap, they came so close. The extreme laptime similarity was just pure coincidence. I also considered some sudden health problem of Glock that he wouldn't dare to admit.
@jakubkrcma - but sims testing couldn't possibly emulate the exact circumstances of the race. to say glock could've magically gained 6 SECONDS ON HIS OWN TEAM MATE, based on a video game is a little absurd...
trulli was slower than glock all race but it was never more than two seconds a lap at absolute most. glock, though setting a 1:44, was still several tenths faster than trulli.
...vettel would've known about the WDC situation because he was fighting directly with the main title contender, but glock and hamilton didn't even glimpse each other during the whole race up until the final corner.
i doubt he'd have been informed of the WDC situation when he's trying to drive his own race that only briefly crossed with hamilton's for a few seconds.
one thing i know is that glock has always maintained his innocence and why would he lie? it wouldn't have broken any rules.
@FormulaOneFan4Eva Another possibility is simply that Glock became kinda "stiff" from the stress he was under - struggling to keep an exceptional position (Toyota finished 4th or better only 5 times in 2008, their average was 8.20) on wrong tyres with cars passing left and right all the time, outbraking himself, missing apexes etc. That would make sense, but F1 drivers should be ready for such situations. The car could DEFINITELY go quicker, anyway. And he could also "stand in the way" more.
@FormulaOneFan4Eva Actually, during my first drive after a six month winter break on April 12, 2005, I beat the previous lap record at one of three racing karting tracks in our country set by a world-class racer (German F3, Austrian F3, World Series by Renault, World Series by Nissan, A1GP...) in 17 out of 22 quick laps (including 11 consecutive) in the very kart he did it, while weighing 20 pounds more than him and having just 49 minutes of previous track time there against his hours and hours.
@FormulaOneFan4Eva You are right that tyre temp. plays a major role and is not properly reflected in simulation. But using a dry setup, dry tyres, and keyboard (much slower than a wheel) is ~OK approximation, especially since the conditions were not getting bad enough to affect inter-shod KOV/WEB. Trulli's laps 69-71: 1:22.428-1:33.539-1:44.800 and Glock's: 1:18.688-1:28.041-1:44.731. In laps 67-69, GLO was fastest. Losing 26 s/lap in two laps without torrential rain? 69-70 TRU was MUCH slower.
@FormulaOneFan4Eva I don't remember the source, but I saw a video interview with Vettel, where it became obvious he knew precisely what was going on championship-wise during the race. I don't have a reason to believe Glock wouldn't have the same information. I am NOT suggesting that Glock DEFINITELY slowed down to let Hamilton become WC, I just think it's possible. Maybe he wanted to gamble for race position by not pitting but wouldn't want to interfere with WDC result. Only he could tell us...
@FormulaOneFan4Eva He could surely do the entire lap in 5th gear without stalling, maybe he could even do the entire lap in 6th gear without stalling, but the time would be about the same - higher top speed but lower acceleration. The time in 5th gear alone (i.e. top speed limited) would be better than what he did and the time using 5th and 6th and 7th gear would be much better (around 6 seconds). Anyway, I like the fact that you have a brain capable of an actual debate.
@FormulaOneFan4Eva Here are the ratios of times in laps 71/70 (sorted by lap 71): KOV 1.000, WEB 1.000 (these two guys were 10 and 35 s BEHIND GLOCK, so any SUDDEN worsening of conditions in lap 71 would HAVE TO affect them as well - yet they had the TWO FASTEST TIMES IN LAP 71), VET 1.008, ALO 1.007, HAM 1.006, MAS 1.033 (slowed down on purpose - lead by 14.911 s before lap 71), RAI 1.029 (slowed down on purpose - ahead of Glock by 11.673 s before lap 71, no risking), GLO 1.189 (!!!), TRU 1.120
so? you're point? worsening conditions would barely affect the drivers on intermediates at working temperature.
but guys on dry tyres that are continually dropping in temperature would be affected exponentially!
if you'll notice, trulli's ratio was also very high (also on dry tyres), sure glock's was higher but then again, he was 6 seconds behind hamilton when he crossed the finish line, so even if he managed to find another 3-4 seconds (impossible), it wouldn't have mattered anyway...
@FormulaOneFan4Eva Finding 3-4 s was completely possible and that alone would make a big difference, because he wouldn't meet the guys at the last corner, which slowed him down even more, adding at least 1-2 s to his already disastrous time. When you're boasting I don't have any understanding of racing, what's your credentials? And I mean it. Show me your results (simulation or real, doesn't matter to me, because I know there is nearly NO difference in principle), your experience etc. Interested
@jakubkrcma - i'm not that successful a racer, i only compete on a regional level in queensland, australia, but at least that means i have some level of understanding.
also, funny how felipe's bitter race engineer would speculate at glock given up yet toyota were adamant that he never did. in two years, it's easy to twist the truth and distort context to fit your own predispositions. but there has been literally no evidence suggesting glock gave up.
@FormulaOneFan4Eva I respect you and I completely don't know you - you could easily be your contry's champion on his way to higher level of racing and evantually even F1. I just don't like when people who never met me/raced me presume stuff they simply cannot know about me. I started with simulation in 1988 and karts in 2004 (aged 27). Thanks to "video games", as many people disrespectfully say, I was able to instantly beat lap times of people (in the same karts) who race karts since 4/5/6.
@FormulaOneFan4Eva In a recent interview, Felipe's race engineer, Rob Smedley, said: "...until Glock threw in the towel. Thanks for that!" Do you honestly believe he said it without meaning it? To look like a fool??? After the two years that I have been suggesting something strange happened back in Brazil '08, my feeling that Glock gave up was confirmed by the most knowledgeable and relevant person in this matter - a FERRARI RACE ENGINEER. My only question is: Why? BTW: The times come from sims.
@bmk139 And his onboard shows clearly that he's pushing 4th gear too far over and over and over again. When there's lack of grip, the first thing to do in any car, including F1, is to decrease the torque transferred to the ground by shifting up early. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out, it is completely natural for any race driver. And AS successfully finished (won) a race in Brazil with just the 6th gear (the top gear back then) working.
@bmk139 Armchair ignorance? Without Hamilton's "brave" crash into Kimi in Canada and again his "brave" aborting of taking the chicane properly in Spa, Kimi would most probably be in the game as well and the title would be decided between FM and KR. Kimi is EASILY the best F1 driver 2003-2009, only the armchair ignorant cannot see that. How can anyone sober defend LH is beyond me, especially after what he has done several times this year, including the Quali in Abu Dhabi...
@jakubkrcma - okay, give me a link that shows glock slowed down in the final sector then... also, here's something for you to munch on while i'm gone.
if glock wanted hamilton to win, why would he gamble and attempt to take points off hamilton by not pitting, only to give the points back on the final corner? just for shits and giggles? oh okay...
Bruno Senna is a great driver, but he's yet to win a title in any of the lower formulae, so saying he'll be the next Brazillian F1 champ is premature to say the least.
Yea everyone who says Glock let him passed shud stop and think, y wud he let him go passed in the 1st place? Glocks got his own career to think bou, if he finished in a lower position thats worse 4 him. The last fing he wud wana do is let drivers go past.
Ich denke, er hat Hamilton und weitere Fahrer vorbeiziehen lassen müssen. Eine Fahrt auf rohen Eiern oder auf Glatteis währe vergleichbar. Einmal zu schnell oder zu lange aufm Gas und du bist weg, zumal es in Sao Paulo auch noch bergauf-bergab geht.
Erst die erneute Regenphase gab Massa überhaupt noch eine Hoffnung, da Hamilton ja vorher aufm sicheren 5ten Platz lag. Massa hat die WM auch ganz sicher nicht erst in, bzw. wegen Brasilien verloren (Anmerkung: Singapore)...ganz sicher nicht!
Look at the wet races have we seen in the 09 season - when someone's on the wrong tyres, they lose so much time - it's normal. It was absolutely pouring down there (much worse than it seems from the TV pictures). No wonder he (and Trulli) went backwards so fast - they could barely keep it on the road
Lol @ the retards giving you thumbs down for pointing out facts,lol. Glock was the faster of the Toyotas, but of course this doesn't fit in with the idiotic theory that Glock slowed down on purpose. The ridiculouis thing is that if Glock had slowed down on purpose, it would have showed up on the telemetry, then when the FIA investigated it they would have thrown Hamilton out and Massa would have been handed the championship.
lol who cares what these muppets think of my point? the fact is that youtube is full of conspiracy theorist so i really cant expect a thumbs up when stating facts.
Right!! Glock was struggling with the dry tires out there!! Look at Monza 2008..after that race.. I think he's the last driver in F1 who would help Lewis on purpose!!
I know, the daft thing is that all the people who say Lewis was lucky are forgetting 1 major factor.... that it was only due to the rain in the last 5 laps of the race that actually gave Massa a chance to steal the title.
The same people who bang on about Lewis being "lucky" never mention Kimi being lucky the year before (despite some brilliant performances), he won the tile because of Hamiltons misfortune in the final race. But was he a deserving winner? I think he was, as was Lewis last yr!
fancy seeing u here commenting on a hamilton vid lol what do ya think bout the possiblity of jenson being at mcclaren with lewis next year....? me thinks fooking briiliant :)
@DVDFerrari5
Any video with Hamilton in. I don't mind if someone dislikes Hamilton, but saying that you'll dance in your underwear the day he crashes at Tamburello is just disgusting.
55DJL 3 days ago
I like Hamilton, but what a lucky bastard!
JontieDesario 6 days ago
I can't stand Hamilton - he's nothing but a spoiled brat who was parachuted into the top team. He's never had to work hard for a win and can't handle it when he doesn't. However - how can anybody truly believe Glock let him by. All Glock and Toyata needed to do here if they wanted Hamilton to win was pit Glock for new tyres like everyone else and this classic finish would never have happened. And Glock would have finished 1 spot lower. Toyota and Glock did everything they could to keep that spot
jb355 1 week ago
GAH, Conspiracy this, conspiracy that...SHUT THE HELL UP! What you all need to remember is that this was probably the greatest nail-biting down to the wire championship end of ALL time! Never before was there such a tense ending to a championship where it LITERALLY came down to the last few seconds! There might be one or two last lap champ victories but I don't recall a last corner. It was a truly fantastic end to what was a fantastic season!
TheSupernaturalGuy 3 weeks ago
@TheSupernaturalGuy and MANY might not be able to grasp this concept but I'm a FERRARI fan and as gutted as I was about the outcome I wasn't going to let it take away what was IMO a great race
TheSupernaturalGuy 2 weeks ago
@DVDFerrari5
Now you're trolling on this video? I thought your username was familiar. Your comment is horrifically offensive, get over that race.
55DJL 3 weeks ago
@55DJL LOL you know me? sorry if I offended you
DVDFerrari5 3 days ago
@55DJL what other vid did I troll on? Wow you know me? sorry if I happen to offend you.......
DVDFerrari5 3 days ago
Glock could have cut him off!
I will dance in my underwear the day he crashes at tambuerrelo
DVDFerrari5 1 month ago
@DVDFerrari5 What a disgusting thing to say
f1electro1 3 days ago
@f1electro1 .......
DVDFerrari5 3 days ago
I fucking hate thick people! Massa, Raikonen,Alonso, Vettel and Hamilton were all struggling to race with dry tyres on the wet, it was pouring! They were all in front of Glock who also asked to come in to put on wet tyres. His team took the gamble by letting him out with dry tyres and as we can see in this video it didn´t pay off, even my granny would by faster than him if she was given the same car but with wet tyres on. Or do you think Raikonen crashed on purpose to let Lewis win in Spa?? -.-
Euclides287 2 months ago 3
Pretty clear there was nothing shady in this:
1. Glock comes in = Ham gets 5th by default
2. Glock stays out = can't keep up on wet track = Ham gets 5th
You can bet if the roles had been reversed (Ham gets first and massa gets 5th) his fambois would not see an issue at all.
Zoomer30 2 months ago 3
1. Glock stayed on Dry tyres to gain some places, It was wet and lewis was on inters so had a advantage and it was so wet Glock was struggling.
2. If he defended it would of been dangerous as he was on drys and lewis would of got past either way.
3. If he pitted for inters lewis would of finished ahead of him anyway.
ididi9 2 months ago
Fuck timo!
TheRailworldD443 3 months ago
Drivers are not going to give up places in the last race of the season, does not matter if God is in the mirrors. With how close the season was points wise, a few places could mean millions in TV money. You can see how much more out of shape his car is when compared to the vid from Hams car. Glock was counter steering more than he was steering.
Zoomer30 3 months ago
0:24 - Timo's gamble had failed to help massa.
So who helped who? *trololol*
xRapidClaWx 3 months ago
If anything he hindered Hamilton by staying out. this is why the why the conspiracy is just immediately disproved. not only is there evidence that Glock was struggling, he lost exactly the amount of time as Trulli. Massa and Hamilton and everyone who gambled on inters needed it to rain. and it did in the last lap, which is why Glock's gamble failed.
hamiltonlegend24 3 months ago
This video proves Glock didn't let Hamilton through. He gambled and managed to gain a few places by not stopping, and there's nothing he could do to keep Hamilton behind. He could've defended in that turn, but it would be dangerous and Hamilton would get him at the exit of the last corner easily anyway. Hamilton won the championship fair and square, he might've been a bit lucky in the end but Glock didn't let him through, period.
fasfsfetat 5 months ago 19
@fasfsfetat as for Hamilton himself, this fortune was a well deserved "vengeance". How many times did we see him being "blocked" by some controversial penalties. Sad news for Massa but in terms of overall season, I think Hamilton deserved more to become the world champion. Don't get me wrong I'm not a McLaren fan.
Oh and their rivalry continues until now, sadly its not for championship matters.
lukassinterklas 4 months ago
@lukassinterklas Agreed, I think Hamilton deserved it more as well. But was was impressive nevertheless, especially in this race, probably the best drive of his career.
fasfsfetat 4 months ago
@fasfsfetat I don't agree. I admit, there were certains "blocks" for Hamilton along the way, but... Massa was literally 100% helpless to lose 20 points. Singapore was one example, but Hungary was by far the worst. Start of the year, brilliant drive, and the engine let him down 3 laps from the end.
Atticvs32 3 months ago
this is my thinking glock was told to stay out by toyota so he could stop hamilton being 5th because if he came in hamilton would of been 5th anyway
SCOTTYHG1 7 months ago
@SCOTTYHG1 if vettel didnt pass him
ustiansniper 7 months ago
@ustiansniper nope if glock did pit hamilton would of been 5th as glock would of been 6th and if hamilton wasnt passed by vettel he would of been 4th
SCOTTYHG1 7 months ago
@SCOTTYHG1 thats what i meant lol
ustiansniper 7 months ago
@SCOTTYHG1 or perhaps Toyota just wanted a good result, you know, to score as many points as possible, because that's what you want when you're in formula one? Did that occur to you?
fasfsfetat 5 months ago
"snatched back fifth with just seconds remaining" lol yah ok there -_-
jraybay 7 months ago
@jraybay What u on about ?
GazaMillar2010 7 months ago
@GazaMillar2010 He said that in this clip didn't you hear? He just said it like the race was on a timer lol . I understand that they were close to the finish line but the way he said it.
jraybay 7 months ago
@jraybay Ah I see
GazaMillar2010 7 months ago
Massa who?? lol He cant drive at all, he is constantly getting owned by his teamies. Schumacher did that, and now Alonso is showing him who is boss. Anyway Glock just should have pitted for intermediates as well, then he wouldnt have been the topic about this useless discusion.
markfsr 7 months ago
@markfsr Dumb cunt. 'Massa who' doesn't make any sense, you'd have to say 'Felipe who'. Felipe Massa, thats who, the man who should've been World Champion '08 if it were not for Timo Glock's fuck up.
EuropeanTourism 7 months ago
@EuropeanTourism xD whatever! nobody deserved that tittle the only reason he was up there in the point standing was because the other title candidates screwed up a lot of races. If you have watched all races the last 10 years you probably would notice that he is getting owned by his team m8 year after year he is just a 2nd driver and thats it. xD
markfsr 7 months ago
@markfsr Second driver to 2 greats of all time (Schuey and Alonso) does not make him a bad driver. You do not get to within a point of being World Champion unless you are a great driver. Whats all this bullshit about the other title contenders screwing up races, the points tallies don't lie over the course of a season. It's a damn shame Massa didn't win it in 2008.
EuropeanTourism 7 months ago
@markfsr Yea and Wtf do you know about driving a formula 1 car? Massa held his own in 07 and 08 when he actually got comfortable with the team. He had just arrived in 06 and obviously in 09 he had his accident and hasn't been the same since. Take a step back and look at the big picture, you're making unfair judgments on him and i'm not even a ferrari fan.
jraybay 7 months ago
poor glock :(
maskmanyeah 8 months ago
@pp0u1110 amazing how you insinuate that this was fixed on multiple videos without watching the onboard clips from timos car on that last lap. So kindly go fuck yourself
ThEtErRoRiZeR7r011 8 months ago
All massa fans like, Hamiltons lucky , blah blah blah! Fuck off
ConnorSlatter 8 months ago
@ConnorSlatter all massa fans can say he was lucky, THING THEY FORGET IS the race before this one riko let massa through to decrease the gap between him and lewis so lewis shouldnt of had to fight for this point in the first place.
AceJoeyBling 8 months ago
Ah so that's what happened! I always saw footage of Hamilton overtaking Glock, but the commentary never said why he was going that slow (for the record, I only started wachting Formula One about a year or so, so I didn't see this race). Now I know :)
Slaaptekort 8 months ago
@Slaaptekort You missed the best F1 Season Final of all times :o
xxxxAddicteDxxxx 8 months ago
@pp0u1110 You're boring
jaryd12345 9 months ago
I don't see how anyone would believe Glock let Hamilton through. If he actually wanted Hamilton to win, he could have simply stopped for inters, as he was behind Hamilton prior to his (Hamilton's) stop.
SebVettel18 9 months ago 2
how can people say he moved over for hamilton after watching that it was so slippery on those slicks plus he got overtaken by three cars on the last corner not just hamilton
BENDOON23 9 months ago
He was struggling like Bambi on a frozen lake
MILFMILF221 10 months ago
It's not "luck" that allowed Hamilton to win the championship, it was the selection of an ideal strategy.
RFresh41 10 months ago
How people can still say it was a conspiracy/Glock let him through, Hamilton was lucky etc etc. You see the on board shots now, Glock is basically ice skating his way round the track, so no, he didn't do it on purpose. Any different permetation of either both or neither of them stopping would have had the same result.
jaryd12345 10 months ago 46
@jaryd12345 truli did basicly the same last lap time to glock aswell
bugsbugs42 6 months ago
@bugsbugs42 Exunctly, imagine the ridiculous amount of planning that would take "Jarno... umm gunna need you to go 20 seconds off the pace for no reason on the last lap, CHEERS!"
jaryd12345 6 months ago
6 people are sore losers ^^
97ginoVDB 1 year ago
He was clearly on the wrong tyres, he probely thought since it was the last race, why not gamble?
Calum643 1 year ago
Ferrari fans all the same. If there not winning all they do is moan and speculate! Racing is racing, follow the rules (I know its hard for the Ferarri team) and enjoy the sport!
rumble291 1 year ago
@ThEtErRoRiZeR1134 Ahh right, okay, didnt hamilton bin himself in the gravel trap in Shanghai in 2007 which cost him 1st?
ShockWaveTom 1 year ago
@ThEtErRoRiZeR1134 Was it Spa in 2007 when the FIA took his win away? or was that 2008? Because that was not fair, he cut the corner, by accident, due to the weather condition, and slotted in behind Kimi, and then over took him, AND Kimi ended up crashing anyway..
ShockWaveTom 1 year ago
@ThEtErRoRiZeR1134 Thats the exact same thing I was going to say! He lets Vettel passed, who is in 5th at the time, and he gets to 4th, and then lets hamilton, and then lets who ever is behind hamilton, AND you can see he's got near to no grip in his car on the dry tyres..
ShockWaveTom 1 year ago
you tifosis should thank glock for trying not blame him
ustiansniper 1 year ago
Most ferrari fans have no idea about F1.
85devotee 1 year ago 50
@85devotee I am no Ferrari fan and I am no Massa fan. Also, I am no racist etc. Among other things, 4 million km (2.5 million miles) in various racing sims in the past 22 years, ~half of which in F1 (over 300.000 laps at Monza alone in the last 14 years - more than a full race distance per day), and numerous lap records in karts (rental and racing tracks, usually done in the first 30 minutes) give me quite a bit of insight into what is reasonable and what is absurd. Timo's driving looked absurd.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma
You are absurd.
85devotee 1 year ago
@85devotee Correction: over 300,000 laps - in our language, we have a decimal COMMA, while in English, it's a decimal POINT. That's why I (despite being a translator) sometimes fukk that up. Chances are I did more dry tyre/wet track and wet tyre/dry track laps in simulation than most F1 guys did wet tyre/wet track simulation. It's great fun trying to be "competitive" (well, it's just about damage limitation, not actual competitiveness) with the wrong tyres. Timo should give it try... :-))))))
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma Who cares about how much sim you have done. There wasn't enough grip for either trulli or glock to drive, as you can see.
stefanarak 1 year ago
@stefanarak I just think Timo (who is an excellent driver, ESPECIALLY in the wet) didn't try the proper way (i.e. as well as he could). To me, it looks like he's trying to make it LOOK like he cannot go any faster. I mean, if, FOR ANY REASON, he wanted to slow down, it would be unacceptable if it didn't look justified. I don't suggest he DEFINITELY did this for Lewis, I just suggest he could have gone faster and I BELIEVE he knew it full well and knew HOW to go faster (higher gear, lower revs).
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@stefanarak HA, I FOUND THE ULTIMATE EVIDENCE! After two+ years of watching, reading, and typing about this incident, there is a PERFECT example of what I have been saying for EONS! And it doesn't come from anyone else than LEWIS HAMILTON HIMSELF!!! Look at "Lewis Hamilton Brazil 2008" in the right video list here. WATCH CAREFULLY, WHERE (AT WHAT RPM) HE SHIFTS UP!!!! THERE YOU HAVE IT!!! Either Timo is god damned STUPID (which, of course, he IS NOT!!!) or he did that SLIDING SHOW on purpose!!!
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@stefanarak I am talking about the downhill left hand corner (Mergulho), where Lewis shifts really short, avoiding the otherwise inevitable loss of rear end and gaining a position over Glock. The combination of this proper driving and proper tyres did the "magic". Timo just "THREW IN THE TOWEL", precisely as Massa's race engineer said. TIMO COULD HAVE GONE FASTER AND DID NOT. And ONLY his driving is to blame, not the tyres. The tyres alone did not justify the final lap performance.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma Please answer these questions seriously, I want to know, because if you provide good answers then I guess you can be taken seriously: How come Trulli did a slower lap? Why did glock not simply pit like everyone else, if he wanted to help Hamilton to win the championship? In this case there would be absolutely no way other than Timo being behind Hamilton.
stefanarak 1 year ago
@stefanarak Jarno was substantially slower than Timo in all laps near the end of the race, in the last lap, he was actually just a couple milliseconds slower. I am NOT saying Timo wanted to help Hamilton. I am saying he drove slower than he could and I am ASKING why. When you analyse the situation thoroughly, chances are he would actually be in front of Lewis (like Robert unlapping himself from LH), if he pitted even at the end of lap 69 (with just two laps to go). Very fast stop, no refueling.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma Probably because he was on the last lap of a grand prix in a points scoring position, and didn't want to throw anything away.
stefanarak 1 year ago
@stefanarak I said that earlier (maybe in a different video discussion here on YT). That's probably the reason - he was under great pressure and just didn't handle the situation as well as he would normally. His 4th position was exceptional that year for Toyota, their average was like 8.2 or something. But the thing that bothers me is that he did not short shift. That's what I just cannot accept. When you want to play it safe, short shifting is the first thing you do with dry tyres in the wet.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma Well, I think you've answered your own question then- pressure! For example- webber knows to stay off kerbs in the wet, any driver knows that! Didn't stop him from lapsing in Korea this year. Similarly hamilton in 2007.. I guess the pressure gets to the best of them.
stefanarak 1 year ago
@stefanarak I agree about the pressure, with over 1,000 world records in simulation in the last 13 years (using all kinds of vehicles, joystick, keyboard, two different wheels+pedals, and even the bloody mouse) I know about stress, frustration, patience, etc. more than most people. But the mere fact that somebody fails to keep their position cannot make me suspect stuff. It is THE WAY he failed to keep it and the precise point where and how he failed (basically the last corner of the season).
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@stefanarak I mean when there is an abyss (sliding off the track) and you want to play it safe, you don't keep walking towards it like nothing's happening (pushing to too high rpm in the gears). Also, when you want to play it safe, you pit. When you gamble, you take all the risks. His whole driving AND strategy were just VERY strange. They showed an internal conflict, like he doesn't know what he wants, like he's TOTALLY confused. And that's just not F1 level. F1 must be excellent at all times.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma are you mad you can clearly see that the back was stepping out even when he was barely pressing the throttle just he couldn't go any faster without spining out
gtaboy1224567 1 year ago
@gtaboy1224567 He could, in a higher gear. He just miscalculated the fact that just because he's in a higher gear than he'd be on a dry track, it doesn't mean it's high enough. You can do 1:44 in the wet on dry tyres and with a dry setup using 7th gear only... Using 5th, 6th, and 7th in a combination, you can do 1:38 or even less... And 1:38 was all he needed to keep P4. He failed, but I understand that the pressure was just too much for him to handle... It all peaked simultaneously...
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
Oh I seeeeee, it is now completely obvious (from your 5 post outburst) that you're a bitter Kimifan, whining like a girl & moaning like a lil bitch... about Lewis Hamilton, LOL.
Your bitter ignorance doesn't even warrant a particularly in-depth response from me, only that every point you make is wrong, blinkered or silly.
But if posting endless (and totally pointless) rants about Lewis makes you (and that chip on your shoulder) feel better about your own shitty, empty life... then so be it.
bmk139 1 year ago
@bmk139 Incorrect, I am a very happy fan of Kimi and a bitter LH antifan (until he becomes a man enough and stops doing his dirty/ignorant/self-centered stuff every other race). Any sports result is only morally valid if achieved in a fair way. Lewis has had every opportunity imaginable to become a true legend in the 4 seasons so far, with his skill and equipment. Instead, he lets his dark side take over way too often. Kimi, Mika, DC etc. are true gentlemen, by comparison.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
And one more thing - if you think my criticism is blind, because I have not driven a real world contemporary F1 car, it goes both ways - your admiration of any specific driver for any specific performance is just as blind, unless you've driven HIS SPECIFIC CAR IN COMPARABLE CONDITIONS. We use only what is available to us. You have your opinion, I have mine. That's OK... :-)
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
What I mean is that SKILL is NOTHING without PROPER conduct. And Lewis Hamilton, just like his father BTW, has no understanding of that principle. He had the best equipment and team support from day 0 and the inevitable success just blurred his mind, as he so often expresses... If somebody hurt him, he'd be entitled to hit back, like Senna did several times against the Prost/Balestre team. But just like early MS, Lewis is very often the first to deliver unfair blows... He has no class.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
If you remember correctly, both Toyotas were languishing outside the top eight when the rain came - they gambled on staying out while everyone else pitted and ended up scoring some points so it was a damn good decision I think you'll find
MrJBFarrell 1 year ago
staying with slick on wet was the worst decision toyota has ever done cause it didn't hurt their driver only, it affected the outcome of the champioship taking it away from Massa who deserved it soooo much...
VOUCHIHAxSASUKE 1 year ago
@VOUCHIHAxSASUKE so your saying if glock did pit and came out behind hamilton then massa would have won the championship? of course!.....wait :)
muppet6789 1 year ago
@muppet6789 if he pitted at the same time as all the other drivers hamilton would have been behind him u fool... and overtaking that other guy that was in front of lewis(can't remember the name) seemed imposible for him so i think Massa would have indeed won the championship
VOUCHIHAxSASUKE 1 year ago
@VOUCHIHAxSASUKE What are you on about? Glock had spent the entire race behind Hamilton who was running in 4th as he pitted. Hamilton came out of the pits in 5th place due to Glock not pitting, so Hamilton didn't need to overtake anyone to win the title, and had only lost a place due to Glocks tyre gamble. It's very simple mathematics.
bmk139 1 year ago
Timo did a good job just to keep it on the road. Those types of conditions are actually the worst. When you get just enough rain to bring up the oils from under the track surface it is so slick and difficult compared to it being genuinely soaked.
GO HAMMY GO MCLAREN!
puddingpants7 1 year ago
For any conspiracy theorists still out there: all Glock would have had to do to hand the championship to Hamilton was to pit along with EVERYBODY ELSE! Why leave it down to the last corner if there was a genuine conspiracy?
bduddy55555 1 year ago
@bduddy55555 EXACTLY! some people dont know how to use their brain and just blurt dumb shit out without actually thinking it through.
didickcheeseburger 1 year ago
@bduddy55555 Thank you! Some sense!
SuperBobster10 1 year ago
The thing that people forget is that the race before farrari did a switch and put massa ahead of kimi to gain an extra point so its fully deserved that hamilton got this because she should not have had to worry aobut this spot in the first place
AceJoeyBling 1 year ago
@MrMdC94
Glock was in 6th, 10 seconds behind Hamilton and Vettel before the rain poored down, he decided to not pit for Inters and continue on his slicks. Glock gained two places and was 15 to 20 seconds ahead, but with 5 laps to go, Hamilton's better tyres closed the gap and eventually passed him in the last corner (!)
It's racing, just be happy the season was awsome
MultiBikram 1 year ago 2
all in all Glock drove skillfully that last lap when most drivers would have binned it by turn 1
fastezza 1 year ago 2
So here we have it... The proof that Glock didn't let Hamilton through! Then Massa blames Piquet Jr for losing the championship at SIngapore... Massa's mechanics should be blamed for releasing him while the fuel hose was attached. This also shows Hamilton was a worthy champion.
M1N1K0B3 1 year ago
all those retards said glock let hamilton past, but the fact is glock did his best and by staying out he made up a place in the process
jimmybob82 1 year ago
i have heard a lot of drivvle on other vids about there not being any spray. the fact is there didnt have to be. Glocks tyres must have been stone cold plus rain on the track. stone cold tyres equals driving on ice. just to disprove any other theories
hamiltonlegend24 1 year ago
If the championship would have ended differently, just because that Massa had achieved more victories (kind of Spa victory?!) Formula 1 credibility was to be axed forever.
Hamilton, fully deserved Champion. Raikkonen, one year before him, as well.
the two greatest drivers of these years in Formula One.
darwinism14 1 year ago
people forget that glock actually moved UP A POSITION by not pitting so he gained an extra point
ljw571 1 year ago
Also for people who say Massa should have been champ lets not forget he got 2 extra victorys that were not ment to be his. In France Kimi had an exaust problem and was miles ahead of Massa and was down on power so massa caught him, and also Massa won in Spa despite being nowhere near Hamilton or Kimi in the race and won because of the penalty Hamilton got. Also Massa got 2 extra points in china because Kimi let Massa past.
2009MRTT 1 year ago
@MrMdC94
You sir are retarded. Glock stayed out because he believed he could stay out and do decent lap times. You do realise that if Glock had pitted he would have been miles behind Hamilton anyway? you are a sore looser my friend, sore looser.
2009MRTT 1 year ago 32
@MrMdC94
sure it is...., i believe you
beyblader10171 1 year ago
@MrMdC94
because its your passion? more likely u only watch f1 whe something interesting happens, thats all,
shitty way to win - ok thats why many people think that wast the most tense and exciting way to win a world championship, i just had to laugh at that comment of yours ' shitty way to win ' roflmao
beyblader10171 1 year ago
@MrMdC94 MASSA WAS IN F1 WELL BEFORE HAMILTON AND NEVER WON SIMPLY BECAUSE HE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH
majjitu 1 year ago
@MrMdC94
no you imbysall , think about it, Glock tried to help Massa win the championship in a sense by not pitting for wet tyres, which made it seem like as if hamilton didnt have 5th place before that, actually before the rain, lewis was comfortably in 5th place, then he had to pit for wet tyres, meaning that glock could get past hamilton whilst hamilton was in the pits
my days, i dont know why people like you bother to watch f1 in the first place
beyblader10171 1 year ago
@JOKERLAD19
well said
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
the tifosi should thank glock FOR TRYING TO HELP MASSA NOT BLAME HIM. god some tifosi are stupid
d0ubl3sh0t 1 year ago 2
how about a proper onboard for entire lap without cutting to a new camera?
chrcoluk 2 years ago
Why are you bothered? From the clips shown it is obvious Glock is fighting for grip, and his last lap time was identical to his team mates.
bmk139 2 years ago 32
curious to see thats all as I love onboards.
chrcoluk 2 years ago 3
Lol yeah me too, there isn't nearly enough of them, no thanks to FOM who pulled loads of them from you-tube under copyright.... wankers!
bmk139 2 years ago
@bmk139 No, it was not. The overall time was comparable, but the sector times were completely different and SUSPICIOUS, to say the LEAST. I am totally convinced that Glock "threw in the towel" as Felipe Massa's race engineer said. And you bet he KNOWS his stuff. Look at Brazil 2010 Qualifying Build Up for the interview, if you don't believe me. Glock knew very well that by not pushing, he's making his situation worse and worse, unnecessarily losing temperature/grip. He just gave up.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma LOL, that is utter bullshit! Are you seriously suggesting that Glock, driving a car on worn slicks that had dropped below the temperature required to grip, could have sat in the cockpit deliberately manipulating his lap times for the last 3 laps to near identically match his team m8 who was behind, yet achieved it with completely different sector times AND still managed to keep his car on the track? Anyone who thinks that (or thinks Glock wasn't pushing) is either blind or stupid!
bmk139 1 year ago
@bmk139 As I have just said in another vid comment, Glock, judging by his onboard footage, repeated the same error of not using higher gears (5-6 instead of 3-4) over and over again, letting his back step out in EVERY corner at higher revs in 4th gear, losing PRECIOUS time, race positions, and tyre temp/grip. And he did not defend his position AT ALL. His 1:44 can be done using JUST 7th gear, DRY SOFT tyres, DRY setup in FULL WET conditions. The bloody SAFETY CAR is just a bit slower!
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma Holy shit, you really are deluded, TRULLI ALSO POSTED 1.44, so was he deliberately trying to lose time aswell? Of course not you idiot!
And how the fuck is a driver who has no grip (even at part throttle) supposed to defend his position? And more to the point, who the fuck are you to question (or even presume) how an F1 car actually feels at the very limit of traction & grip?
As for basing your analysis on his onboard footage, all I can do is laugh at your armchair ignorance, lol..
bmk139 1 year ago
@bmk139 Do you honestly believe that the actual FERRARI RACE ENGINEER OF FELIPE MASSA would say: "... Glock threw in the towel." meaning "... Glock gave up" without basis? And I learnt that just recently, confirming my own old opinion and feeling about what Glock did, based on the available data and footage, not to mention common sense. And Trulli was slower all race. When people are able to maintain comparable laptimes in laps 70/71 on INTERMEDIATES, conditions are NOT getting THAT much worse.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma - so what "data" are you basing these ludicrous assertions on?
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva In this very vid, you can clearly see that for some reason Timo isn't doing things right. The question is why. I find it VERY difficult to believe it was unintentional, since he's shown he is VERY fast in both dry and wet conditions. He is an excellent driver. You can see that every time he revs the 4th gear, his back end steps out, YET HE DOESN'T INSTINCTIVELY SHIFT UP AND REPEATS THE SAME ERROR OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN OTHER CORNERS. He ACTS as worse than a rookie! WHY???
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma - i'm not sure whether you realise it but the V8s of today have a VERY narrow torque curve, if he'd have shifted up to 5th THAT early, he'd have probably bogged it. timo here is clearly shifting several thousand revs earlier than he would in the dry.
also, the reason why the back end is stepping out is because, he's driving in the wet on the wrong tyres, very simple.
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva E.g. would you believe that Piquet Jr., son of a three-time World Champion, did all that on purpose in Singapore 2008? That he drove like a mad man all of a sudden (incorrect use of everything) in order to cause a crash that would promote Fernando to victory? I wouldn't as well, and YET it actually happened! That was a huge eye opener! And Brazil 2008 took place BEFORE that scandal was published, so people could still believe they could get away with someting similar!
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma - you must realise piquet's motive...
piquet was threatened with the sack if he didn't deliberately crash to help his team mate win. now, the critical thing here is that timo and lewis AREN'T team mates, there was no exchange of words before or during the race and timo was driving completely for himself.
comparing brazil and singapore 2008 is ludicrous...
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva What I am saying is: Timo Glock DEFINITELY could have gone faster enough to keep 4th or 5th position. The reason for his extreme and sudden slowing down without the conditions getting substantially worse (which would even be reflected in the times of people with correct rubber) is the matter of my question: WHY? There are numerous possible explanations and some of them involve Lewis' WDC title. I am not suggesting it HAD to be related etc., I just consider that as possible.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma - well, glock actually set a time marginally quicker than his team mate trulli, the only other guy on dry tyres at the time. so if we were to use that as a reference, glock was actually going as fast he could.
also, trulli was 11 seconds slower on lap 71 than he was on lap 70 so it was obvious that conditions were worsening.
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva In ANY car: IF YOU CANNOT TRANSFER THE ENGINE'S TORQUE/POWER ON THE GROUND DUE TO POOR TRACTION, YOU JUST SHIFT UP INTO A HIGHER GEAR - YOU'RE NOT LOSING ANYTHING THAT WAY, YOU JUST GAIN REAR END STABILITY, IMPROVING THE OVERALL LAPTIME. And this applies on dry tarmac in some corners as well as on a wet track everywhere. If Glock "doesn't know this", then he shouldn't ever get to F1!!! EVERYBODY knows this...
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma - again, today's V8s have a very narrow torque curve, if glock shifted up again (from about 14000RPM - which was already in the low end of the torque curve), he'd have bogged it and stalled his engine.
short shifting is useful about 1-2000 RPM early in some cases, but not 5000.
again, you've completely failed to develop a compelling argument, all you have is blind speculation...
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva You can clearly hear that he shifts from 3rd into 4th MUCH earlier than he then revs 4th. Since the RPM just after shifting gets higher with increasing gear number, there is NO way he'd stall the engine by shifting into 5th, 6th, and 7th at the same rev point where he shifts from 3rd into 4th. Even several thousand RPM lower, the engine wouldn't stall, despite obviously not being "happy" about it - but since this was the last lap of the last race and he was already gambling...
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma - because 3rd gear, by virtue of being shorter than 4th has a lot less mechanical drag to overcome. you clearly have no understanding of racing at all, just give up dude...
doing an entire lap in the wet in 6th gear would be stupid, he WOULD stall. also, i'd like to know what physics you used to calculate a 6 second advantage if he used 5th gear for the whole lap.
oh! you didn't? oh great.
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva He could do an entire lap in 5th gear without stalling the engine, which would give about 1:41 (~3 seconds faster than what he did). He could also do a lap using a suitable COMBINATION of 5th-7th gear and get 1:38 (6 s faster), which would be sufficient to keep 4th or 5th. Your idea that he HAD to rev 4th that much higher than 3rd is wrong. You're talking really low revs (concerning the danger of stalling the engine). 2.4 do have lower torque etc., but not that much.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma - again, how did you get those figures? are you a mechanical engineer or something? i doubt it...
if glock could easily find 3-4 seconds, then why couldn't trulli in identical equipment on the same tyres? i'll tell you why, because they were both pushing.
glock wouldn't cost his team points and money just to allow hamilton (who had no personal connections to glock whatsoever) into the sufficient place, i doubt glock was even informed of hamilton's position...
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva The estimate times come from sims testing. GP4, F1 2010 etc. The thing is that they both have a VERY similar time in lap 71, but the individual sectors are actually whole seconds apart. Trulli was substantially slower all day long with the same car and tyres, so it comes as a surprise that on the very last lap, they came so close. The extreme laptime similarity was just pure coincidence. I also considered some sudden health problem of Glock that he wouldn't dare to admit.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma - but sims testing couldn't possibly emulate the exact circumstances of the race. to say glock could've magically gained 6 SECONDS ON HIS OWN TEAM MATE, based on a video game is a little absurd...
trulli was slower than glock all race but it was never more than two seconds a lap at absolute most. glock, though setting a 1:44, was still several tenths faster than trulli.
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
...vettel would've known about the WDC situation because he was fighting directly with the main title contender, but glock and hamilton didn't even glimpse each other during the whole race up until the final corner.
i doubt he'd have been informed of the WDC situation when he's trying to drive his own race that only briefly crossed with hamilton's for a few seconds.
one thing i know is that glock has always maintained his innocence and why would he lie? it wouldn't have broken any rules.
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva Another possibility is simply that Glock became kinda "stiff" from the stress he was under - struggling to keep an exceptional position (Toyota finished 4th or better only 5 times in 2008, their average was 8.20) on wrong tyres with cars passing left and right all the time, outbraking himself, missing apexes etc. That would make sense, but F1 drivers should be ready for such situations. The car could DEFINITELY go quicker, anyway. And he could also "stand in the way" more.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva Actually, during my first drive after a six month winter break on April 12, 2005, I beat the previous lap record at one of three racing karting tracks in our country set by a world-class racer (German F3, Austrian F3, World Series by Renault, World Series by Nissan, A1GP...) in 17 out of 22 quick laps (including 11 consecutive) in the very kart he did it, while weighing 20 pounds more than him and having just 49 minutes of previous track time there against his hours and hours.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva You are right that tyre temp. plays a major role and is not properly reflected in simulation. But using a dry setup, dry tyres, and keyboard (much slower than a wheel) is ~OK approximation, especially since the conditions were not getting bad enough to affect inter-shod KOV/WEB. Trulli's laps 69-71: 1:22.428-1:33.539-1:44.800 and Glock's: 1:18.688-1:28.041-1:44.731. In laps 67-69, GLO was fastest. Losing 26 s/lap in two laps without torrential rain? 69-70 TRU was MUCH slower.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva I don't remember the source, but I saw a video interview with Vettel, where it became obvious he knew precisely what was going on championship-wise during the race. I don't have a reason to believe Glock wouldn't have the same information. I am NOT suggesting that Glock DEFINITELY slowed down to let Hamilton become WC, I just think it's possible. Maybe he wanted to gamble for race position by not pitting but wouldn't want to interfere with WDC result. Only he could tell us...
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva He could surely do the entire lap in 5th gear without stalling, maybe he could even do the entire lap in 6th gear without stalling, but the time would be about the same - higher top speed but lower acceleration. The time in 5th gear alone (i.e. top speed limited) would be better than what he did and the time using 5th and 6th and 7th gear would be much better (around 6 seconds). Anyway, I like the fact that you have a brain capable of an actual debate.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva Here are the ratios of times in laps 71/70 (sorted by lap 71): KOV 1.000, WEB 1.000 (these two guys were 10 and 35 s BEHIND GLOCK, so any SUDDEN worsening of conditions in lap 71 would HAVE TO affect them as well - yet they had the TWO FASTEST TIMES IN LAP 71), VET 1.008, ALO 1.007, HAM 1.006, MAS 1.033 (slowed down on purpose - lead by 14.911 s before lap 71), RAI 1.029 (slowed down on purpose - ahead of Glock by 11.673 s before lap 71, no risking), GLO 1.189 (!!!), TRU 1.120
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
so? you're point? worsening conditions would barely affect the drivers on intermediates at working temperature.
but guys on dry tyres that are continually dropping in temperature would be affected exponentially!
if you'll notice, trulli's ratio was also very high (also on dry tyres), sure glock's was higher but then again, he was 6 seconds behind hamilton when he crossed the finish line, so even if he managed to find another 3-4 seconds (impossible), it wouldn't have mattered anyway...
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva Finding 3-4 s was completely possible and that alone would make a big difference, because he wouldn't meet the guys at the last corner, which slowed him down even more, adding at least 1-2 s to his already disastrous time. When you're boasting I don't have any understanding of racing, what's your credentials? And I mean it. Show me your results (simulation or real, doesn't matter to me, because I know there is nearly NO difference in principle), your experience etc. Interested
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma - i'm not that successful a racer, i only compete on a regional level in queensland, australia, but at least that means i have some level of understanding.
also, funny how felipe's bitter race engineer would speculate at glock given up yet toyota were adamant that he never did. in two years, it's easy to twist the truth and distort context to fit your own predispositions. but there has been literally no evidence suggesting glock gave up.
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva I respect you and I completely don't know you - you could easily be your contry's champion on his way to higher level of racing and evantually even F1. I just don't like when people who never met me/raced me presume stuff they simply cannot know about me. I started with simulation in 1988 and karts in 2004 (aged 27). Thanks to "video games", as many people disrespectfully say, I was able to instantly beat lap times of people (in the same karts) who race karts since 4/5/6.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva In a recent interview, Felipe's race engineer, Rob Smedley, said: "...until Glock threw in the towel. Thanks for that!" Do you honestly believe he said it without meaning it? To look like a fool??? After the two years that I have been suggesting something strange happened back in Brazil '08, my feeling that Glock gave up was confirmed by the most knowledgeable and relevant person in this matter - a FERRARI RACE ENGINEER. My only question is: Why? BTW: The times come from sims.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva ...any RWD car, of course... But the procedure is similar even in FWD/AWD cars.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@bmk139 And his onboard shows clearly that he's pushing 4th gear too far over and over and over again. When there's lack of grip, the first thing to do in any car, including F1, is to decrease the torque transferred to the ground by shifting up early. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out, it is completely natural for any race driver. And AS successfully finished (won) a race in Brazil with just the 6th gear (the top gear back then) working.
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@bmk139 Armchair ignorance? Without Hamilton's "brave" crash into Kimi in Canada and again his "brave" aborting of taking the chicane properly in Spa, Kimi would most probably be in the game as well and the title would be decided between FM and KR. Kimi is EASILY the best F1 driver 2003-2009, only the armchair ignorant cannot see that. How can anyone sober defend LH is beyond me, especially after what he has done several times this year, including the Quali in Abu Dhabi...
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@jakubkrcma - okay, give me a link that shows glock slowed down in the final sector then... also, here's something for you to munch on while i'm gone.
if glock wanted hamilton to win, why would he gamble and attempt to take points off hamilton by not pitting, only to give the points back on the final corner? just for shits and giggles? oh okay...
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
its from the official f1 08 review dvd. so it was by FOM
nickforthetitle 2 years ago
best race ever
brunoviskys 2 years ago 2
Massa will NEVER be a champion.
The next Brazilian champion is the nephew, Bruno Senna.
Arai4lpinestars 2 years ago
Bruno Senna is a great driver, but he's yet to win a title in any of the lower formulae, so saying he'll be the next Brazillian F1 champ is premature to say the least.
bmk139 2 years ago
Like the commentor said.. Glock failed to help Massa... but Glock's strategy did help himself.. he gained 2 places by not going into the pits.
He, in no way, helped Hamilton
deperer 2 years ago 5
ndi muort i mammt
micheletheking88 2 years ago
Yea everyone who says Glock let him passed shud stop and think, y wud he let him go passed in the 1st place? Glocks got his own career to think bou, if he finished in a lower position thats worse 4 him. The last fing he wud wana do is let drivers go past.
eddllllll 2 years ago 5
Yes, yes but if you don't dance with the FIA's music you could have no career at all.
Kurac80 2 years ago
The FIA hate Hamilton so i dont know what your on about
cripsdogg1990 2 years ago
Ich denke, er hat Hamilton und weitere Fahrer vorbeiziehen lassen müssen. Eine Fahrt auf rohen Eiern oder auf Glatteis währe vergleichbar. Einmal zu schnell oder zu lange aufm Gas und du bist weg, zumal es in Sao Paulo auch noch bergauf-bergab geht.
Erst die erneute Regenphase gab Massa überhaupt noch eine Hoffnung, da Hamilton ja vorher aufm sicheren 5ten Platz lag. Massa hat die WM auch ganz sicher nicht erst in, bzw. wegen Brasilien verloren (Anmerkung: Singapore)...ganz sicher nicht!
astra606 2 years ago
it was obvious tht glock was sliding all over... he had to go slower or else not finish
thelousyllama 2 years ago 2
im not the biggest hamilton fan in the world, to put it politely, but i think people of the opinion that glock 'let' hamilton pass are really stupid
look at the conditions, and look at how hard it was for glock to keep the car in the road, let alone keep a fast mclaren behind him
the excuses people make for it are reli lame.
hamilton got past him because he just did. glock did not let him
DrFeelGood93 2 years ago 6
Look at the wet races have we seen in the 09 season - when someone's on the wrong tyres, they lose so much time - it's normal. It was absolutely pouring down there (much worse than it seems from the TV pictures). No wonder he (and Trulli) went backwards so fast - they could barely keep it on the road
BoddingtonB 2 years ago 7
Trulli wasnt faster,the live timing shows Glock was faster
nike2die4 2 years ago
Lol @ the retards giving you thumbs down for pointing out facts,lol. Glock was the faster of the Toyotas, but of course this doesn't fit in with the idiotic theory that Glock slowed down on purpose. The ridiculouis thing is that if Glock had slowed down on purpose, it would have showed up on the telemetry, then when the FIA investigated it they would have thrown Hamilton out and Massa would have been handed the championship.
bmk139 2 years ago 2
lol who cares what these muppets think of my point? the fact is that youtube is full of conspiracy theorist so i really cant expect a thumbs up when stating facts.
nike2die4 2 years ago
Right!! Glock was struggling with the dry tires out there!! Look at Monza 2008..after that race.. I think he's the last driver in F1 who would help Lewis on purpose!!
marcrichiger 2 years ago 2
I know, the daft thing is that all the people who say Lewis was lucky are forgetting 1 major factor.... that it was only due to the rain in the last 5 laps of the race that actually gave Massa a chance to steal the title.
The same people who bang on about Lewis being "lucky" never mention Kimi being lucky the year before (despite some brilliant performances), he won the tile because of Hamiltons misfortune in the final race. But was he a deserving winner? I think he was, as was Lewis last yr!
bmk139 2 years ago 7
fancy seeing u here commenting on a hamilton vid lol what do ya think bout the possiblity of jenson being at mcclaren with lewis next year....? me thinks fooking briiliant :)
cripsdogg1990 2 years ago