@SimoMcGauneo Produced, 1902, distributed 1903, check it. Yes we do, but seems like you keep making 'em :D ooooooooooooo god yeah I went there biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiotch.
Horse 12, Horse 22, Horse 18, Pony 18, Ladder Horse 2, Rescue Horse 14, Bucket of Water with Wheels 14, assist Stable 8 and Stable 16 on a 4 Alarm building fire. Operations on Bugle Horn 2.
The first time I saw this I saw a version with no singing. I geuss during the age of the nickelodeon some films would have had singers accompanying them as well as music, or even narration for some films.
Can anyone tell me whether Porter uses intercutting techniques in this film? I've read somewhere that there are two versions of this film...one copyright and one cross-cut...now somewhere else it said that only later filmmakers after Porter used intercutting,
@SongsofInnocence I saw no intercutting in this film. An intercut is a cut to a different shot within the same scene. An example that would have worked for this movie is the "fire trucks" were going to the location of the fire. We see the fire trucks "whizzing" by, if Edwin Porter at that time would have used an intercut, he probably would have shown a close-up of one of the men riding the fire engines to show the fierceness on his face as they ride to save the day.
@Suppanutt no you are wrong. An intercut (or cross cut) is to interweave two seperate, usually concurrent scenes in a film. As in the scenes inside and outside the house. Whether the term can also be used in the sense you are suggesting I do not know.
@SongsofInnocence I know that some names for certain techniques in Hollywood are interchangeable this is not the case with intercutting and crosscutting. A crosscut shows parallel action, two different scenes going on simultaneously cutting back and forth. An intercut is going from a long shot to e.g. a close of the character.
excuse me for my english, but edwin porter thanks to the Edison company ( the robbery company) had the possibility to know the work of Meliés the illusionist, Smith and Williamson from the Brighton school of great britain, Edwin porter taked all from their...the really jeanius was the illusionist!!!! Andrea
Yes melies invented a lot which porter used, but melies was influenced by the lumiere brothers who in all fairness made it possible.
I'm using Porter for my essay for uni,
have you guys all seen 'dream of a rarebit fiend'?
the trick photography on that is fantastic, arguing whether it's needed for the narrative, but even me who is a teen in this modern day world finds the humour of it.
the parallel editing in this is done really well,
ps I don't think the last comment was really aimed at you, other than to 'youtube'.
but yes, I think the editing here is great, it's not often where they show the story through one camera and cut to another camera and show the exact same thing, it's usually done continuously as a continuity. fantastic.
Technically speaking, any footage that shows a passage of time has a narrative; however obscure. What we are really talking about is who pioneered the montage.
That's nice.. Ruin the whole house for a cellar fire. LOL Had that been real, in 1903, half of them probably would have been carrying household goods out of the home.
This and The Great Train Robbery were the first attempts at narrative film making by Edwin S Porter.
This is by no means the first narrative film of it's kind. Melies released Le Voyage Dans La Lune in 1902.
The first film maker to make narrative movies is thought to be Alice Guy Blache. A French woman! She had made a lot of movies by the time this one was made.
Well, I think that your media course has misinformed you. I teach film at University and I would say that it is careless of your tutor to say that it is acceptable to put "The Conjurer" within a possible 4 years and say that it was definitely the first narritive film. It is generally acknowledged that it was released in 1899. The Cabbage Fairy by Alice Guy Blache, however, was released in 1896 and is considered by many to be the first narritive film. Look it up.
Well as a retired "kinkchaser" many years ago I had officers that actually worked with the horses. The old station I served in still had the horse troughs and stalls. They are part of the history, just as I am now. A kinkchaser is the lowest form of a Probie. You run into your first building fire and the Captain screams at you, "What the %^&*$ are you doing in here? Your usless, put that %#$ axe down abd get the %&^& out of here and get the %^& outside and get the kinks out of the hose line"
About the last two scenes: this is a good example of how the early filmmakers were still learning new techniques, we see an interior of the house and the fireman's wife, then her child were saved. Then we have an exterior shot of the same scene. Of course an editor would probably intercut between the two today.
Thankfully, this is the original version - the film was re-edited some time after release, and the two final scenes intercut: it was this later version on which Porter's status to be a pioneering and innovative editor was falsely based.
Yes indeed, although some filmmakers occasionally come back to this "revisited" style for artistic effect. This is actually the first film to have 2 angles (inside, then outside) of the same shot, or 2 different retrospects.
porter is not the first that uses multiples scenes!!..for example in 'historie d'un crime' -1901- or 'le voyage dans la lune'(melies, 1902)..there are multiples scene!also porter is very important, but he doesn't use cut scenes, because is Griffith that uses for the first time the montage, for example in 'the lonely villa' or in 'the new york hat'!
Do some research ronnieknotts. The Lumiere brothers made the first film in 1895. It was of a train pulling out of a station; the first time it was shown people ran out of the theater screaming cause they thought it was going to come out of the screen and run them over.
Ronnieknotts...You seriously believe that The Jazz Singer was the first film ever made? Have you graduated the third grade yet? It wasn't even released in 1929, it was released in 1927.
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Was there a sequel whare a BOY sneeks into the Fire House when the Men are Sleeping, and Bobs His Head under each Gents Blanket until a Tonsil Basteing Gush of hot Guy Goo issues fourth?
look at those horses bucking and kicking ready to go out. I have read on numerous accounts that when a fire-horse was put to pasture, or transfered to light city duty such as hauling trash carts, they would often still respond alongside the fire engines when one would go rushing by.....often they would be pulling the trash cart behind them!
THIS is what the music to silent films sounded like. I am so glad that these were recorded for posterity! Those horses were just as eager as the firemen to get going I notice.
I recently ate dinner at a converted 19th century firehouse in Philadelphia (Jack's Firehouse). I tried to imagine what it must have been like when a call came in, and now I know. Thanks for posting!
Basada en "Fuego" (1901) de Williamson, en realidad no alterna el montaje, cada acción equivale a un plano, excepto en el recorrido de la diligencia, en el que introduce dos planos. Gran película.
If you're film or multimedia student, what is of considerable awe is seeing the language of cinema/docs and sequences taking shape and of considerable difficulty both on screen and thinking it up was the dream sequence. Great stuff
Toward the beginning, the exterior views of Steamer, Hose Wagon, and Ladder Truck leaving firehouse are at
Engine Co. 12 and Truck Co. 5 on Belmont Avenue, Newark, New Jersey.
"Interior" scene of rigs and horses leaving are probably shot on an exterior "set" since a real firehouse would be too dark inside to allow filming. They are certainly not the Engine 12 house.
exelente film... se paso Porter, aunque igual algunas de esas tomas no las grabo el, sino, que eran anteriores... como la de los bomberos saliendo de la estacion.... Exelente obra de Porter... aunque cabe decir que Edison era un ladron de mierda... xD... y Porter trabajaba para el... Un saludo
espectacular, me arece increible el montaje alternado hasta ese momento desconocido que se introduce en este momento. Notable obra de los comienzos del cine.
That's a lot of firemen/horses going to the scene at once haha. Love this.
BoReilly2 2 weeks ago
its an older movie what do you expect ^_^ obviously film has changed drastically since the early 20th century.
Cblackk 2 weeks ago
ed ecco che Porter inventò il cinema
giuseppebarletta89 3 weeks ago
i see dead people.
TheTwoMagicians 1 month ago
wow this movie sucks. I could make a better movie with my sphincter
kyleisreallycool 2 months ago
2 horses disliked this video.
undocumentedspot 2 months ago
3:04 They are pulling the hose out of the horse.
undocumentedspot 2 months ago
Awesome old timey action!
cashcleaner 3 months ago
notice that the film tells the story from two perspectives
first the woman's and then the firemen's
Roncace 3 months ago
Like how firemen got there before the women knew her house was on fire. We have fire trucks and high tech now a days and we cn't match that :p
ajvizz 3 months ago
did anybody else catch the line pull at 3:06??? crazy
da604688 6 months ago
HITLER WOULD OV BEEN 14.
chadberry75 8 months ago
God this film is shit.
SimoMcGauneo 9 months ago
@SimoMcGauneo what the fuck did you expect ?, 3D w/Full surround sound in 1930 .
217d3 8 months ago
@217d3 Well, yes, obviously. Didn't you? By the way it was filmed in 1902, but we all make mistakes.
SimoMcGauneo 8 months ago
@SimoMcGauneo 1903 actually ..... looks like we do make mistakes 0_0
217d3 8 months ago
@SimoMcGauneo Produced, 1902, distributed 1903, check it. Yes we do, but seems like you keep making 'em :D ooooooooooooo god yeah I went there biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiotch.
I'm done with this now, bye, nice chatting.
SimoMcGauneo 8 months ago
Um clássico de Edwin S. Porter.
beirada 9 months ago
i could've won an oscar with my cheap cell phone video back then
twarren8178 10 months ago
Horse 12, Horse 22, Horse 18, Pony 18, Ladder Horse 2, Rescue Horse 14, Bucket of Water with Wheels 14, assist Stable 8 and Stable 16 on a 4 Alarm building fire. Operations on Bugle Horn 2.
LeSedici 10 months ago
I disliked the vocal at the end.
p3nguinish 10 months ago
my great great grandpa was a fireman in 1903 :)
rocknrollbabe09 10 months ago
The first time I saw this I saw a version with no singing. I geuss during the age of the nickelodeon some films would have had singers accompanying them as well as music, or even narration for some films.
randomsamno9 11 months ago
A phenomenal treat to see this historical landmark film. Now I'm going to try and find his next work: "The Great Train Robbery" here.
Thanks!
M0ofi32012 11 months ago
@jalphabet5 yeah i agree, i really dont understand it
ShowMeYourSkillo 1 year ago
What I don't understand: The fireman on watch turns in an alarm based on what he is dreaming? Not knocking it, just don't get it.
jalphabet5 1 year ago
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312fvl 1 year ago
Can anyone tell me whether Porter uses intercutting techniques in this film? I've read somewhere that there are two versions of this film...one copyright and one cross-cut...now somewhere else it said that only later filmmakers after Porter used intercutting,
SongsofInnocence 1 year ago
@SongsofInnocence I saw no intercutting in this film. An intercut is a cut to a different shot within the same scene. An example that would have worked for this movie is the "fire trucks" were going to the location of the fire. We see the fire trucks "whizzing" by, if Edwin Porter at that time would have used an intercut, he probably would have shown a close-up of one of the men riding the fire engines to show the fierceness on his face as they ride to save the day.
Suppanutt 1 year ago
@Suppanutt no you are wrong. An intercut (or cross cut) is to interweave two seperate, usually concurrent scenes in a film. As in the scenes inside and outside the house. Whether the term can also be used in the sense you are suggesting I do not know.
SongsofInnocence 1 year ago
@SongsofInnocence I know that some names for certain techniques in Hollywood are interchangeable this is not the case with intercutting and crosscutting. A crosscut shows parallel action, two different scenes going on simultaneously cutting back and forth. An intercut is going from a long shot to e.g. a close of the character.
Suppanutt 1 year ago
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SongsofInnocence 1 year ago
looks like europe... amazing....
Tutbit 1 year ago
Fascinating! I read that this was the first time editing was used in films!
Truseneye92 1 year ago
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@Truseneye92: No. Take a look at this made in 1901 by James Williamson an englishman: /watch?v=8nrgfX0Z_e8&feature=related
lukebccb 1 year ago
5:03 - see that guy in the hat walking forward? He's dead.
levanyzzuf 1 year ago
Man those horses are anxious to run!!
dieselmotorcycle 1 year ago
How come this is not in 3d?!
UsoppSpell 1 year ago
Ahh, the birth of inter-cutting!
robmartin2008 1 year ago
Thanks for sharing
MrBettedemille 1 year ago
Hey, respect to all those masters! Their presence and their prescience sends chills! To think that was all the beginning! Amazing!
thorpechenks 1 year ago
not one soul from this video is still on earth wow look at them go so cool
jsimone1320 2 years ago 11
no, because smith and williamson invented the continuity editing...watch "mary jane' s mishap" or "the big shallow....".
Andreasfromsanleone 2 years ago
@Andreasfromsanleone: Watch this made in 1901 by James Williamson: /watch?v=8nrgfX0Z_e8&feature=related
lukebccb 1 year ago
excuse me for my english, but edwin porter thanks to the Edison company ( the robbery company) had the possibility to know the work of Meliés the illusionist, Smith and Williamson from the Brighton school of great britain, Edwin porter taked all from their...the really jeanius was the illusionist!!!! Andrea
Andreasfromsanleone 2 years ago
Porter invented the continuity editing. Melies was the one who invented the montage of film. So they are both genius'
Svetlap 2 years ago 3
watch "mary jane's mishap" or "the big shallow", buy Andrea. howewer the only and the one is Guy ritchie!!!!
Andreasfromsanleone 2 years ago
@Andreasfromsanleone if we're going this way about it.
Yes melies invented a lot which porter used, but melies was influenced by the lumiere brothers who in all fairness made it possible.
I'm using Porter for my essay for uni,
have you guys all seen 'dream of a rarebit fiend'?
the trick photography on that is fantastic, arguing whether it's needed for the narrative, but even me who is a teen in this modern day world finds the humour of it.
the parallel editing in this is done really well,
TashJonesUk 1 year ago
@Andreasfromsanleone
ps I don't think the last comment was really aimed at you, other than to 'youtube'.
but yes, I think the editing here is great, it's not often where they show the story through one camera and cut to another camera and show the exact same thing, it's usually done continuously as a continuity. fantastic.
TashJonesUk 1 year ago
@Svetlap: No. Porter didn't "invent" continuity editing.
Take a look at this made in 1901 by James Williamson an englishman: /watch?v=8nrgfX0Z_e8&feature=related
lukebccb 1 year ago
@lukebccb yeah you're right.
sqolami 1 year ago
Technically speaking, any footage that shows a passage of time has a narrative; however obscure. What we are really talking about is who pioneered the montage.
tinderhorn 2 years ago
this is the "copyright version"
zaphodmaphod 2 years ago
I believe the intercut version was done by D.w. Griffith.
ninjamyasta 2 years ago
That's nice.. Ruin the whole house for a cellar fire. LOL Had that been real, in 1903, half of them probably would have been carrying household goods out of the home.
idigghx 2 years ago
Cool song at the end!
poejete 2 years ago
This and The Great Train Robbery were the first attempts at narrative film making by Edwin S Porter.
This is by no means the first narrative film of it's kind. Melies released Le Voyage Dans La Lune in 1902.
The first film maker to make narrative movies is thought to be Alice Guy Blache. A French woman! She had made a lot of movies by the time this one was made.
EFFANDJEFF 2 years ago
George Meilies' The Conjeur in 1895 was the first film to include a narrative.
ForeverPrestonNE 2 years ago
Do you mean the Conjurer from 1899?
EFFANDJEFF 2 years ago
Yeah, the media course I am studing said its acceptable to use 1895 or 1899.
Eitther way, that was the first ever film that had included a narrative.
ForeverPrestonNE 2 years ago
Well, I think that your media course has misinformed you. I teach film at University and I would say that it is careless of your tutor to say that it is acceptable to put "The Conjurer" within a possible 4 years and say that it was definitely the first narritive film. It is generally acknowledged that it was released in 1899. The Cabbage Fairy by Alice Guy Blache, however, was released in 1896 and is considered by many to be the first narritive film. Look it up.
EFFANDJEFF 2 years ago
he also did 'a trip to the moon' in 1914. im doing all of this for an assignment at college. its pretty hard.
MikeSteel1989 2 years ago
america as come a long way.....
macci14 2 years ago
Well as a retired "kinkchaser" many years ago I had officers that actually worked with the horses. The old station I served in still had the horse troughs and stalls. They are part of the history, just as I am now. A kinkchaser is the lowest form of a Probie. You run into your first building fire and the Captain screams at you, "What the %^&*$ are you doing in here? Your usless, put that %#$ axe down abd get the %&^& out of here and get the %^& outside and get the kinks out of the hose line"
kinkchaser 2 years ago
I love everything old and everything antiquity. Thanks for posting.
Jasmine4153 2 years ago
this was released in january 1903, wow!!!
raider8sox 2 years ago 2
About the last two scenes: this is a good example of how the early filmmakers were still learning new techniques, we see an interior of the house and the fireman's wife, then her child were saved. Then we have an exterior shot of the same scene. Of course an editor would probably intercut between the two today.
professorjosh21 2 years ago
Thankfully, this is the original version - the film was re-edited some time after release, and the two final scenes intercut: it was this later version on which Porter's status to be a pioneering and innovative editor was falsely based.
AGD55 2 years ago
Yes indeed, although some filmmakers occasionally come back to this "revisited" style for artistic effect. This is actually the first film to have 2 angles (inside, then outside) of the same shot, or 2 different retrospects.
athimblefull 2 years ago
its called parralell editing.
MikeSteel1989 2 years ago
i love these old films, but that fire sure was a long way from the station
izobanov 3 years ago
A firetruck went by when I was watching this. But after all, I live in L.A.
allisonalmodovar 3 years ago
I mean, Roundhay Garden Scene, it's just a shot
that's the reason why it calls at itself as "scene", not film
this one is unique
Hace uso de las herramientas visuales para contar una historia y transmitir una sensacion
no será goddard
pero es la diferencia entre un burgues con una camara, y un burgues con una camara y una idea
jhaimlet 3 years ago
I think it's kinda cool seeing a film that's now over 100 years old
heymandig 3 years ago
I think it's interesting seeing a film that's now over 100 years old.
heymandig 3 years ago
Excellent film.
Imran500 3 years ago 2
porter is not the first that uses multiples scenes!!..for example in 'historie d'un crime' -1901- or 'le voyage dans la lune'(melies, 1902)..there are multiples scene!also porter is very important, but he doesn't use cut scenes, because is Griffith that uses for the first time the montage, for example in 'the lonely villa' or in 'the new york hat'!
ilovehitchcock88 3 years ago
It's a joke, but keep looking around the tube as there are many that are not, and that's scary!
ronnieknotts 3 years ago
very cool
me55ina 3 years ago
my god.. this is a Porte movie,from 1903
Porter was the first that use cut and multiple scenes... this hystory!!!
Attraktor72 3 years ago 3
I know! It's in my "Defining moments in movie history" book OoO
pig3292 3 years ago 6
@Attraktor72 not be sure see albert smith works
Shiflis2 1 year ago
@Attraktor72: Take a look at this made in 1901 by James Williamson an englishman: /watch?v=8nrgfX0Z_e8&feature=related
lukebccb 1 year ago
105 años guau
elgordovilca 3 years ago
105 años guau
elgordovilca 3 years ago
105 años guau
elgordovilca 3 years ago
105 años guau
elgordovilca 3 years ago
Do your research TheDave102,
Try 1887 England or even William Friese Green, and don't you know a joke when you see one!
ronnieknotts 4 years ago 2
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Given that film wasn't invented until 1929 with the jazz singer, a black american by the way, this is an obvious FAKE!
The guy who posted this should do some history forst.
Look at the buildings, they're modern! Like!
ronnieknotts 4 years ago
Do some research ronnieknotts. The Lumiere brothers made the first film in 1895. It was of a train pulling out of a station; the first time it was shown people ran out of the theater screaming cause they thought it was going to come out of the screen and run them over.
TheDave102 4 years ago 3
that was the first public showing of a film
there were films in "peep show" boxes before that
ooxcfhxoo 3 years ago 2
the last part its kind of a mith
Chodaa 3 years ago
You mean a MYTH?
yaintime5001 3 years ago
I guess. English its not my native language.
;) kisses
Chodaa 3 years ago
you also are wrong. The first film was made in 1888, the Roundhay Garden Scene
danielchance 3 years ago
that's just a shot :S
jhaimlet 3 years ago
are you fcuking retarded? seriously
ooxcfhxoo 3 years ago
Ronnieknotts...You seriously believe that The Jazz Singer was the first film ever made? Have you graduated the third grade yet? It wasn't even released in 1929, it was released in 1927.
PantherstrikeWarrior 3 years ago 2
Was probably thinking first "Talkie"...
XanarchyX 3 years ago
I don't really care for this one, nothing wrong with it, considering it's time, but I just don't care for the theme.
I liked The Great Train Robbery. :)
DecapitatedKittens 4 years ago 2
better than today
SarahCota 4 years ago
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Was there a sequel whare a BOY sneeks into the Fire House when the Men are Sleeping, and Bobs His Head under each Gents Blanket until a Tonsil Basteing Gush of hot Guy Goo issues fourth?
richardbrompton 4 years ago
Yes! Its called "Fireman 2: The Richard Brompton Chronicles".
cinebros 4 years ago 3
Now I Love You!
richardbrompton 4 years ago
look at those horses bucking and kicking ready to go out. I have read on numerous accounts that when a fire-horse was put to pasture, or transfered to light city duty such as hauling trash carts, they would often still respond alongside the fire engines when one would go rushing by.....often they would be pulling the trash cart behind them!
thrsalgthtnvrgosout 4 years ago
god, those firemen suck at aimming
kerplunk89 4 years ago
Wow!!!!!lol, firefighting is a lot diff now....take a look at the Saltsburg "vol. Fire Dept." vid on my page!!
bengolik129 4 years ago
THIS is what the music to silent films sounded like. I am so glad that these were recorded for posterity! Those horses were just as eager as the firemen to get going I notice.
joeocho88 4 years ago 3
I recently ate dinner at a converted 19th century firehouse in Philadelphia (Jack's Firehouse). I tried to imagine what it must have been like when a call came in, and now I know. Thanks for posting!
coolcat6651 4 years ago 2
thanks, I really needed that film for my course at college. Thanks again.
toastface5 4 years ago
So did I.
vincentrich 4 years ago
Me too!
cbales 4 years ago
Yes! Me too! Thanks alot!
awseewee 4 years ago
haha as did i, history of editng, anyone else??
goodall666 4 years ago
Lol, I can see Goodall xD
I'm still working on my presentation
:O
rachelseagroatt 4 years ago
Basada en "Fuego" (1901) de Williamson, en realidad no alterna el montaje, cada acción equivale a un plano, excepto en el recorrido de la diligencia, en el que introduce dos planos. Gran película.
Hildesindo 4 years ago 2
Muy bueno tu comentario, saludos...
aisr1990 4 years ago
If you're film or multimedia student, what is of considerable awe is seeing the language of cinema/docs and sequences taking shape and of considerable difficulty both on screen and thinking it up was the dream sequence. Great stuff
Viewmagazinetv 4 years ago
esta es la version completa de la obra?
RICHARD AIELLO
inuangel2 4 years ago
Toward the beginning, the exterior views of Steamer, Hose Wagon, and Ladder Truck leaving firehouse are at
Engine Co. 12 and Truck Co. 5 on Belmont Avenue, Newark, New Jersey.
"Interior" scene of rigs and horses leaving are probably shot on an exterior "set" since a real firehouse would be too dark inside to allow filming. They are certainly not the Engine 12 house.
rs8718 4 years ago 2
Nice. Very nice. THANK you for postin'.
DavidBlast 4 years ago
exelente film... se paso Porter, aunque igual algunas de esas tomas no las grabo el, sino, que eran anteriores... como la de los bomberos saliendo de la estacion.... Exelente obra de Porter... aunque cabe decir que Edison era un ladron de mierda... xD... y Porter trabajaba para el... Un saludo
Lauskaro 4 years ago
wooow
espectacular, me arece increible el montaje alternado hasta ese momento desconocido que se introduce en este momento. Notable obra de los comienzos del cine.
nachuni88 4 years ago