The teachings of jesus: "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God"
One of the main pillars of the United States of America: Free market capitalism, Greed, wealth, low taxes and relatively little government intervention.
they keep hammering it: this country was founded on judeo-christian principles, as if saying it enough would make it so! you will notice that he stutters as he tries to make a point UNTIL he finally gets to this stock insistence. :"uh- uh- uh- uh... founded on judeo christian principles."
8:53 "faif-less" sigh. and this guy is making a living. as a speaker, no less! what is so wrong with speaking correctly that so many, many people choose not to do it?
Blackwell arrives with arguments based on unsupported facts about the foundations of the United States. Hitchens responds with known historical evidence regarding the founding fathers. I don't see any argument after that.
i truly try not to be biased when hearing religious argument but it is honestly impossible to take serious. I will never understand how anyone can agree with this complete nonsense.
I feel a little embarrassed for Mr. Blackwell. Clearly, he wasn't expecting what he got. Hitchens was tying the man into knots, and he wasn't able to do much more than repeat himself a few times, and reducing his defense to, "well that's just like, your opinion man."
The hand that rocks the cradle ,rules America.......As a Christian father of 7 sons,Christians just quietly raise our children....We will see you at the ballot box.... ;)
@ClarksonsinUSA I was one such son (at least of the Christian faith). But through muted institutionalized racism and the hypocrisy the leaders, saying to love one another then showing cruelty to derision it was made clear that though they said otherwise, their acts demonstrated that they did not want my kind (Asian converted Christians) in their congregations. And thus I became an atheist. You speak of indoctrination, we are smarter than that.
@ClarksonsinUSA When sons of a Christian nation sees that you treat even Christians of different skin, of different class, and of different sexual orientation, who are NOT wicked people, just different, when they see that moment of pain in their eyes caused by Christian hypocrisy, if they are human in the slighest they will see as so many have what Christianity seeks to do. And if they are human... they will want no part of it.
@georgelopezblows You must give credit to Hitchans when he didn't take advantage of such a transparently obvious opportunity to send a thermonuclear, but somewhat cheap shot to the good and historically dumb reverend.
Moral principles do not derive from government or religion; it is the reverse that is true. Even if there was any truth to U.S. government being based on Judaism and Christianity, one would have to look back further to the influences and origins of those religions, as they are not unique and not without their own appropriations.
For Blackwell to be so certain that juat shows he's full of bull. He is historically innaccurate. And such an ass,and taking up all of the time,he's an ahole.
Although most of them would probably not admit it, Mr. Blackwell and others of his ilk are secretly smiling and bursting with joy that they'll never have to contend with Hitchens again in one of these debates. For the past three days since his death, I've been devouring his articles and You Tube videos. I sure am going to miss him.
I admire the strategy being employed by Mr. Blackwell. The next time I find myself having my ass handed to me in a debate, I think I'll just start chuckling like I'm watching Saturday morning cartoons.
@CrystalsandCandles I vote for Wagner's Wotan. At least he accepted, when his godly spear was broken, that Siegfried, the brave and flawless child of incest, would set in motion the events that would mean the end of Walhalla and the gods.
I wonder what research the Family Research Council does? Do they have a bunch of guys in lab coats standing around watching and recording events of sibling rivarly?
"No distinction seems to be more obvious than that between spiritual and temporal matters. Yet whenever they have been made objects of Legislation, they have clashed and contended with each other, till one or the other has gained the supremacy."
[James Madison in a letter to Thomas Jefferson Oct-Nov 1787]
idiot says all of us are created equal and he is also black. does he not realize dat we had slavery when the nation was created..where were those moral values then
Boy I saw those strawmen, logical fallacies, incorrect historical references and erroneous conclusions coming from Blackwell a mile away! We've heard them all a thousand times, and though they've been refuted a thousand times, the same people keep coming at them incessently without hearing anything anyone says about it. Fact checking and accuracy have never been the strong suit of the religious right.
If christianity were indeed the moral basis for the US, all commandments would be law.
To those people who think Hitchens looks weird, I challenge you to look as good as he does when you are pushing sixty (as he was at the time this video was shot, now he's 62)!!
Blackwell is a disgrace. Not only does he have no intellectual point at all but he also lacks basic manners. Is being a condescending, clueless, prick part of Christianity?
Hitchens is clear, intelligent and concise. Blackwell is flustered desperate and cherry picking. Blackwell is having a crisis of faith. Just take note of his nervous laugh and painful smile. 100% HITCHSLAPPED!
This is classic Hitchens crushing and causing an opponent to stammer like a child. Dude does put up a fight, but Hitch is an absolute beast and truth, argument, and fact prevail on Hitch's side here. Don't mess with the Hitch.
@wl0883 Unfortunately Islam condones slavery, was founded by a slaver and the Islamic Empire was built entirely on the backs of African slaves. Have you begun to wonder why there are no signs of the descendents of the 18 million Africans transported throughout the Caliphate the 'Arab' countries? BTW why are those countries defined by a race? The Portuguese became slavers ala Islam in 1440. The Vatican granted the New World to its bully boys and they turned it into a genocidal slave camp.
@BibleBeliever994 Religion may never go away (be it will decline radically as technology and science advances in an exponential rate), but Christianity, along with all other religions of today will die out, given time and social evolution. In the next 5000 years people may be saying the same about Harry Potter as they did Jesus
@WALTKRIEG Only cause they have more children than us in third world countries, the only practical solution would be to empower the poorer countries so people have less children there, that way u halt the rise of Islam and stop population growth from going out of hand; all the while we have to have an open debate with the religions, if they come out of hiding that is
@Carlsaganguy If it is so simple... but in fact, the median age of Canada is about 41 and in the most of third world countries is about 25 ? So the sunrise shines for them.
Finally, I hope you are right and that they will choose to join our modern world.
@mkrulic517439 Ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha ! A good luck for you that internet exists. With Internet, you don't have to attend universities... you don't have to read books... you don't have to write papers... You don't have to study foreign languages... You don't even have to think... only to read the opinions from the others.
Finally, self-proclaimed genious, I invite you to not deify a single human, because everyone is so ordinary into his own intimacy.
@WALTKRIEG 1. I have a masters of arts in mathematics.
2. lucky for me? no, lucky for you. See, I come from the country where the internet was invented. what do you monkeys invent? left handed toliet paper.
@mkrulic517439 Hey, there is no monkey in Canada... Boum ! In the case you don't know, Canada help USA to create the first atomic bomb... and don't think that Canada is nothing, because USA depends on us and Canada needs USA... we are in the same boat.
@modernecon No doubt that the christianity is dying with its old white european population, but Islam is alive and muslims population is growing in number... and is ready to destroy European christian civilisation. The worst is that our population will keep on decline and people from around the world will convert us to the sharia laws.
32% of the US got smarter! Simply amazing. Its hilarious how many people dont know that our country is NOT a christian nation. yes there are alot of christians in america, but the country was founded to be an religion FREE government since we left the religious oppression of England. Of course if this was taught in schools more people would probably understand this. Our forefathers were from MANY beliefs including non believers. To think that this moron believes himself is incredulous.
I think Blackwell believes that condescending laughter is his trump card. Unfortunately, he is almost correct -- condescending laughter is his best argument. And that's sad.
,I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
when will the fall of islam come. islamic theocratic fascism is gripping the minds of people across europe, australia and britain. i'm glad christianity is on the decline but islam is more dangerous as it is a totalitarian ideology. you gotta walk into the toilet in your left foot and wipe your ass a certain way.
No matter who is in the majority, the US is not a "Christian Nation" for the simple reason that we have NO state religion at all, and allow the unrestricted practice of all religions.
This was fantastic. The theist wanted to bring up the Pilgrims? I dread a nation founded on the principles of the Pilgrims!
Hitchens should have brought up the Salem Witch Trials. This is what happens when you allow a theocratic system of law to govern. That's what happens when you allow Judeo-Christian principles to be the basis of law.
@AdIgnorantiam Crediting the pilgrims as "founders" of the United States is laughable in any case. They founded one shitty little colony, with the aid of financial backers only interested in making a profit, nearly 200 years before we declared independence, and were long gone both in fact and in spirit by that time. They contributed nothing to the Enlightenment ideals of the real founding fathers.
@vinegarthomas Well some people are brainwashed at an early age, to young to question..thus they go their whole lives without ever thinking about it...but other then that...YUP, you just about summed it up..lol
@23Tev I guess I was "brainwashed" lol. My family has never forced Christianity on me though, I guess I foudn it myself. I'm only 17 and I found God. I really don't care what atheists or muslims or jews have to say. I'm proud to be a christian, but I am a good christian. I am not one who would force my beliefs on anyone. I respect everyone and even this comment :)
@iCharlie94 But the Bible tells you to go and spread the word everywhere. The inquisition wasn't a perversion of "holy scripture" but what you get when you follow every 'T' and every 'I'.
That Blackweel dude just grins and chuckles like an idiot everything Hitchens talks and doesn't even begin to try to listen. Typical religious zombie.
It has many elements of Deism in that they worship "The Supreme Architect", abhor organized religion, appeal to reason and observation, and the "majority of early Freemasons were Deists". But morover Freemasonry is a system of rites and 'morals' more than a religion, which of course uses kabbalah and strong elements of initiatory gnosticism.
@jclsfgicl - And did you know that none of this proves that he is the song of god, nor that his teachings are morally, ethically, or logically correct.
@jclsfgicl None of these "secular sources" were even alive when Jesus supposedly was, so this is all hearsay. The OT "prophecies" are so vague that they can be twisted to mean many things. You, like all other religious people, believe what you want to believe for emotional reasons. Even if any of this were true, which it is not, your "god" is an inept communicator....
Someone should inform Mr. Ken Blackwell that excessive laughing, smiling and giggling during a debate is generally the sign of a man being badly defeated.
The founding fathers of America were all Freemasons, which as Hitchens rightly pointed out, are Deists, and very much anti-Christian. One of the main reasons they fled Europe was because of the corruption of the Christian Church.
This Blackwell guy is a fucking idiot. This country was founded on what principles? I think it's a slap in the face of our founders to say they escaped religious tyranny only to create a religion based government.
This pastor or minister or whatever the fuck he is doesn't know his own history, let alone the history of the world. What a smarmy, condescending prick.
YOUTUBERS, please take the time to read all of ADAMBEERS comments below. IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY THEM, PLEASE REPLY TO HIM AND LET HIM KNOW! Lets stamp out racism and bigotry from the world!
@R5d4d2 Proof positive that you are a NIGGER. Yes it gets cold in Canada during the winter season. I suppose it isnt cold in Africa where you and your nigger brothers were brought here as slaves. Goodbye nigger, your stupidity bores me to tears.
@adamsbeer DUMFUK! I am from Russia. Funny that my English is better than yours. U R still an ASSHOLE! Hopefully others will let you know too. Goodbye forever!
@adamsbeer Let me speak clearly. You are a Dumb Fuck! You are as gullible and bigoted as the theists you hate so much. I used to think that any fellow atheist would be an intellectual, like our mutual hero Hitch. But you clearly jump to conclusions and accept whatever you are told as "gospel." I am not black or really RUSSIAN but you are still a hateful ASSHOLE! Reply if you like, but I will just give you another BOLLOCKING! Cheers.
@adamsbeer Very Sad! You refuse to recognize the truth, even when it is shoved in your face. I will pray for you, even though I am an atheist. Living in RACIST ASSHOLE lala-land! ... But seriously, you know you are wrong so why not just admit it.?
@R5d4d2 The truth is you are a nigger! Why else would you have been so offended by a silly comment i made? You say you are an atheist yet you will pray for me...at this point i can only assume that you are a nigger that is also severely mentally disabled. I've grown tired of this nonsense, Me 1 - You(nigger) 0.
@adamsbeer ASSHOLE, I am offended by your use of the N-word, even in a "joke," because it is offensive to ALL DECENT PEOPLE. Now let me examine your intellect. I have told you I am not black, but you still believe I am. I jokingly told you I am Russian (which i then refuted) but you still believe I am. I sarcastically told you I would pray for you, and that boggled your mind. I stand by me earlier statement that you thave the intellect of a 12 year old.
@adamsbeer Good, I'm glad you are not giving in. Time for another Bollocking! You claim to be Canadian (I've been there many times). Very nice people, you must be the freak! You claim to be 34 (clearly a man who should know right from wrong). And yet you spew RACIST slurs for your own amusement. SAD!
AGAIN I HOPE OTHERS WILL READ YOUR COMMENTS AND LET YOU KNOW HOW THEY FEEL!
Now can you come up with an coherent argument (what are you defending again, oh yeah RACISM)? Lets play!
@adamsbeer Wow, what a powerful argument. Lets see, you hate black people, you hate gay people ... you sound more and more like a Christian Fundamentalist with every statement. Are you confused. You can't attack my message, so you try to attack the messenger (sounding like a theist?). Pitiful!
You are a sick, pathetic, hateful , spiteful, RACIST prick! Go hide in your hole.
@R5d4d2 I know a homosexual nigger like yourself can keep this up for a year as i'm sure you are not gainfully employed and have no desire to be. I on the other hand have better things to do than listen to your ramblings. I'm sure you will reply to this but i wont read it so give yourself a pat on the back sir, you really put me in my place on this one...lol. goodbye :)
@adamsbeer As long as you keep spewing RACIST and now ANTI-GAY slurs, I will keep responding. If I am unemployed, then what are you? You keep responding 10 minutes after I do? Anyway, thanks for surrendering. The smartest thing you've done in the past 24 hours. Goodbye for the last time (I hope).
@adamsbeer I am a Canadian. Don't you dare to presume to speak for me you racist little arsehole. I would prefer if you left Canada as soon as possible. I think you would be much more comfortable in Mississippi or Alabama.
@Kaalec its beyond childish and im not sure why i do it but i should really lay off for a while haha. I actually dont believe any of the nonsense i printed in my earlier posts.
@adamsbeer Yeah, I know. I do it too sometimes just because it can be fun to predict a response and then use the right bait to trigger it. Fundamentalist Christians and the chronically political correct are the easiest. And most fun.
@adamsbeer You earlier stated that you were "pleased" that I took offense to your RACISM. But now you grow tired of it? More contradictions. If you really want out, simply don't respond, and I won't either. Otherwise, speak to you soon.
@adamsbeer Every time you use that word you prove to the world that you are an ASSHOLE. I know that I am arguing with (someone with the intellect of) a 12 year old here, but I think it is worth it. Hopefully when other people visit this page and read your comments, they will also let you know that you are an ASSHOLE. For another thing, you seem to support Hitch. Would he use that word. Are yours the words of a follow intellectual? Just grow up already!
@R5d4d2 Hi nigger. It would seem as if you have taken tremendous offence by my earlier comments. This pleases me. It would also seem that you hold me in high regard by putting me in the same sentence as Christopher Hitchens. I will not be returning the favor, you are a nigger, an ape, a baboon. Go away nigger!!
The teachings of jesus: "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God"
One of the main pillars of the United States of America: Free market capitalism, Greed, wealth, low taxes and relatively little government intervention.
1st Commandment; Worship only Yahweh.
1st Amendment; Worship whomever you please.
How is the USA founded on christian values?
swevixeh1 1 day ago
Pff... this reminds me of the idiots who claim that sweden is a christian country due to the old (12th-13th century) cross on our flag.
swevixeh1 1 day ago
Christophers real name was Boss!
MrIlleism 1 day ago
"the influence [singular] of our values [plural prepositional phrase] HAVE ebbed and flowed."
morons everywhere.
digbystills1967 1 day ago
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digbystills1967 1 day ago
they keep hammering it: this country was founded on judeo-christian principles, as if saying it enough would make it so! you will notice that he stutters as he tries to make a point UNTIL he finally gets to this stock insistence. :"uh- uh- uh- uh... founded on judeo christian principles."
digbystills1967 1 day ago
they do try, don't they? to confuse the pilgrims with the founding fathers...
digbystills1967 1 day ago
5:01 "forf-right"! it makes me crazy! this guy has a car and a mortgage and takes vacations, and he speaks for a living! aaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
digbystills1967 1 day ago
8:53 "faif-less" sigh. and this guy is making a living. as a speaker, no less! what is so wrong with speaking correctly that so many, many people choose not to do it?
digbystills1967 1 day ago
did he say "nekkid public square"?
digbystills1967 1 day ago
Blackwell arrives with arguments based on unsupported facts about the foundations of the United States. Hitchens responds with known historical evidence regarding the founding fathers. I don't see any argument after that.
bellis84 4 days ago
Ha funny how Hitchens calls Blackwell "Mr. Barnacle" at 8:06.
Kinda reminds of when he called Mos Def "Mr. Definitely" on Maher's show.
TonsofFun777 4 days ago
@TonsofFun777 and blackwell doesn't skip a beat. he doesn't catch it at all. morons everywhere.
digbystills1967 1 day ago
i truly try not to be biased when hearing religious argument but it is honestly impossible to take serious. I will never understand how anyone can agree with this complete nonsense.
Graddy5 1 week ago
you know what Christian morals were actually responsible for in our nation? Slavery.
MadBasstid 1 week ago
Laughing idiot.
mcpwns 1 week ago
Hitchens domintated the debate...like always!
This blackwell guy got his ass handed to him!
moonshineinsummer1 2 weeks ago
I feel a little embarrassed for Mr. Blackwell. Clearly, he wasn't expecting what he got. Hitchens was tying the man into knots, and he wasn't able to do much more than repeat himself a few times, and reducing his defense to, "well that's just like, your opinion man."
crispyfritters 2 weeks ago
The leaders called the "founders" of the US were deist (agnostic) or secular. The common people were mostly Christian.
tmmy773 3 weeks ago in playlist Religion, Cults, and Intellectual Slavery
Blackwell got owned.....pure and simple.....
Sonyag1 1 month ago 4
The hand that rocks the cradle ,rules America.......As a Christian father of 7 sons,Christians just quietly raise our children....We will see you at the ballot box.... ;)
ClarksonsinUSA 1 month ago
@ClarksonsinUSA I was one such son (at least of the Christian faith). But through muted institutionalized racism and the hypocrisy the leaders, saying to love one another then showing cruelty to derision it was made clear that though they said otherwise, their acts demonstrated that they did not want my kind (Asian converted Christians) in their congregations. And thus I became an atheist. You speak of indoctrination, we are smarter than that.
MobiusCoin 4 weeks ago
@MobiusCoin that sounds unlikely,but I will give you the benefit of the doubt......
So you let others .
Doom you, for eternity,bad choice..............:{
ClarksonsinUSA 3 weeks ago
@ClarksonsinUSA When sons of a Christian nation sees that you treat even Christians of different skin, of different class, and of different sexual orientation, who are NOT wicked people, just different, when they see that moment of pain in their eyes caused by Christian hypocrisy, if they are human in the slighest they will see as so many have what Christianity seeks to do. And if they are human... they will want no part of it.
MobiusCoin 4 weeks ago
precepts
detahdomo 1 month ago
"If you don't know that, then you don't know anything."
Goddamn classic.
ClockworkGearhead 1 month ago
@ClockworkGearhead haha he doesn't know anything then apparenetly ... RIP hitchens you are missed
Sconezeta 1 month ago
Blackwell is a revisionist history writer trying to validate his silly beliefs.
Einsteinian99 1 month ago
That guy kept saying let me get a word in. Yet he hardly lets Hitchens get a word in without making little noises
Oldcartoons571 1 month ago
Tha Tha Tha Tha Tha, alalalalal , typical christian who cant handle logical questions.
Necrobutcher82 1 month ago
The 1st commandment alone abolishes all religious freedom except Christians' religious freedom! Yeah, that's fair!
Lennon4ever1 2 months ago 2
One less neo-con warmonger on TV.
theseventhprotocol 2 months ago
@georgelopezblows You must give credit to Hitchans when he didn't take advantage of such a transparently obvious opportunity to send a thermonuclear, but somewhat cheap shot to the good and historically dumb reverend.
sobelou 2 months ago
Should I say Thank God for Christopher..
sonuEEE 2 months ago 3
Moral principles do not derive from government or religion; it is the reverse that is true. Even if there was any truth to U.S. government being based on Judaism and Christianity, one would have to look back further to the influences and origins of those religions, as they are not unique and not without their own appropriations.
baystategal 2 months ago
For Blackwell to be so certain that juat shows he's full of bull. He is historically innaccurate. And such an ass,and taking up all of the time,he's an ahole.
nash984954 2 months ago in playlist More videos from ricoatheist 2
Although most of them would probably not admit it, Mr. Blackwell and others of his ilk are secretly smiling and bursting with joy that they'll never have to contend with Hitchens again in one of these debates. For the past three days since his death, I've been devouring his articles and You Tube videos. I sure am going to miss him.
Cadywax 2 months ago 2
I admire the strategy being employed by Mr. Blackwell. The next time I find myself having my ass handed to me in a debate, I think I'll just start chuckling like I'm watching Saturday morning cartoons.
vvv7000 2 months ago
as of dec - 15th, the world got a little bit dumber.
MpowerdAPE 2 months ago 3
Zeus is king! Uhm... Maybe it's Jupiter. Odin?
CrystalsandCandles 2 months ago
@CrystalsandCandles I vote for Wagner's Wotan. At least he accepted, when his godly spear was broken, that Siegfried, the brave and flawless child of incest, would set in motion the events that would mean the end of Walhalla and the gods.
sobelou 2 months ago
I wonder what research the Family Research Council does? Do they have a bunch of guys in lab coats standing around watching and recording events of sibling rivarly?
psb1964 3 months ago
Not based on christian morality but rather the magna carta.
anirvanroy84 3 months ago
the american legal and political system is not modelled on christianity it is modelled on Britain.
srspower 3 months ago
Did Blackwell know the Hitch before this 'debate'? poor idiotic guy, it's like a turtle fighting a tiger, no comparison!
marcohorowitz8 3 months ago
"Mr Blackwell -- Why don't you go to hell"
saucersauce 4 months ago
"No distinction seems to be more obvious than that between spiritual and temporal matters. Yet whenever they have been made objects of Legislation, they have clashed and contended with each other, till one or the other has gained the supremacy."
[James Madison in a letter to Thomas Jefferson Oct-Nov 1787]
jfsfrnd 4 months ago
hitchens hitch slaps the idiot into submission.
the idiot is stunned and belts out a repetitive stock argument.
hitchens sneers and hitchslaps him harder.
the idiot chuckles clumsily through hitchens accurate demolitions and repeats stock argument.
hitchens hitchslaps him again.
repeat 4 times.
volound 4 months ago
Ken Blackwell: just another deluded believer with a microphone.
mikefromwa 4 months ago
idiot says all of us are created equal and he is also black. does he not realize dat we had slavery when the nation was created..where were those moral values then
dontbugit 4 months ago
Boy I saw those strawmen, logical fallacies, incorrect historical references and erroneous conclusions coming from Blackwell a mile away! We've heard them all a thousand times, and though they've been refuted a thousand times, the same people keep coming at them incessently without hearing anything anyone says about it. Fact checking and accuracy have never been the strong suit of the religious right.
If christianity were indeed the moral basis for the US, all commandments would be law.
resistnzisfutl 5 months ago
And there you have a snapshot of Christian America. What a sorry, arrogant and stubborn waste of air.
TheMetalRiffer 5 months ago 2
To those people who think Hitchens looks weird, I challenge you to look as good as he does when you are pushing sixty (as he was at the time this video was shot, now he's 62)!!
FrankieSayRelaxxx1 5 months ago
Does that moronic man actually believe that Pilgrims and the Founders are the same thing?
LiberalIntervention 5 months ago 2
Blackwell is a disgrace. Not only does he have no intellectual point at all but he also lacks basic manners. Is being a condescending, clueless, prick part of Christianity?
leapingfury 5 months ago 4
Hitchens is clear, intelligent and concise. Blackwell is flustered desperate and cherry picking. Blackwell is having a crisis of faith. Just take note of his nervous laugh and painful smile. 100% HITCHSLAPPED!
oscar11972 6 months ago 56
1st Commandment; Worship only Yahweh.
1st Amendment; Worship whomever you please.
America is in direct dispute with Judeo-Christian doctrine.
cablepanos 6 months ago 51
@cablepanos Yahweh! lol =)
Lootraevefan 2 days ago
BTW America was NEVER a christian nation. because, under biblical defintions there is no such thing as a christian nation.
if the preacher debating hitch thnks otherwise, if he thinks america was a christian nation he is ignorant of both the Bible and History.
So he gives Hitch a straw man which the latter mows down with alacrity.
But it is still a straw man
Strefanasha 6 months ago 3
What is declining in the West in general is not christianity but religious nominalism, cultural religiosity, hypocrisy, to put it in a single word.
christianity itself is constant and always has been, at a TINY minority, even among the professing church.
If Hitchens never knew this, his thinking is straw man
Strefanasha 6 months ago
This is classic Hitchens crushing and causing an opponent to stammer like a child. Dude does put up a fight, but Hitch is an absolute beast and truth, argument, and fact prevail on Hitch's side here. Don't mess with the Hitch.
belladsenso 6 months ago
I don't understand how a black person could possibly defend the faith that enslaved their ancestors...
wl0883 6 months ago
@wl0883 Unfortunately Islam condones slavery, was founded by a slaver and the Islamic Empire was built entirely on the backs of African slaves. Have you begun to wonder why there are no signs of the descendents of the 18 million Africans transported throughout the Caliphate the 'Arab' countries? BTW why are those countries defined by a race? The Portuguese became slavers ala Islam in 1440. The Vatican granted the New World to its bully boys and they turned it into a genocidal slave camp.
ritchloui 6 months ago
''Moral foundation based on Judeo Christian precepts''
The Declaration says creator and Nature's God, not the God of the Bible. Thomas Jefferson wrote it.
jfsfrnd 6 months ago
Ken Blackwell is a dumbfuck.
visigrog 7 months ago
@PabloFerroDesign you can say that again! Lol
JambalayaCreole 7 months ago
Why do religious people like Blackwell have that scary smile on their face all the time?
RoDJ99 7 months ago
Last comment from Christopher was devastating!
PabloFerroDesign 7 months ago
Dear Ken Blackwell, you sir have just been hitch fucked. humored, Slacker5120.
Slacker5120 7 months ago
Hitchens will be missed when he dies. We need more people that don't just accept bullshit.
ArgueExplain 7 months ago 4
it-it-it-it-it- na-na-na-na-na let-let-let-let me......wow, Blackwell is such a good debater!!
marcohorowitz8 7 months ago
Blackwell has the mental age of a 10 year old. Why did he bother debating the Hitch?
marcohorowitz8 7 months ago
The Family Research Council is one of those wingnut welfare outfits that provide employment to useless tools like Ken Blackwell.
modernecon 7 months ago
@BibleBeliever994 Religion may never go away (be it will decline radically as technology and science advances in an exponential rate), but Christianity, along with all other religions of today will die out, given time and social evolution. In the next 5000 years people may be saying the same about Harry Potter as they did Jesus
Carlsaganguy 7 months ago
@Carlsaganguy Islam is still strong... and is getting stronger day after day. Don't forget it.
WALTKRIEG 7 months ago
@WALTKRIEG Only cause they have more children than us in third world countries, the only practical solution would be to empower the poorer countries so people have less children there, that way u halt the rise of Islam and stop population growth from going out of hand; all the while we have to have an open debate with the religions, if they come out of hiding that is
Carlsaganguy 7 months ago
@Carlsaganguy If it is so simple... but in fact, the median age of Canada is about 41 and in the most of third world countries is about 25 ? So the sunrise shines for them.
Finally, I hope you are right and that they will choose to join our modern world.
WALTKRIEG 7 months ago
@WALTKRIEG try gogleing argumentum ad populum. I hope you reach the level of intelligence that would enlighten you to the fact that you are ignorant
mkrulic517439 7 months ago
@mkrulic517439 Ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha ! A good luck for you that internet exists. With Internet, you don't have to attend universities... you don't have to read books... you don't have to write papers... You don't have to study foreign languages... You don't even have to think... only to read the opinions from the others.
Finally, self-proclaimed genious, I invite you to not deify a single human, because everyone is so ordinary into his own intimacy.
WALTKRIEG 7 months ago
@WALTKRIEG 1. I have a masters of arts in mathematics.
2. lucky for me? no, lucky for you. See, I come from the country where the internet was invented. what do you monkeys invent? left handed toliet paper.
boom goes the muther fuckin dynomite
mkrulic517439 7 months ago
@mkrulic517439 Hey, there is no monkey in Canada... Boum ! In the case you don't know, Canada help USA to create the first atomic bomb... and don't think that Canada is nothing, because USA depends on us and Canada needs USA... we are in the same boat.
WALTKRIEG 7 months ago
He says ititititititititit over and over to waste time so Christopher can't tell the truth.
rustydog1236 7 months ago
Mankind will be free when the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
modernecon 8 months ago
@modernecon No doubt that the christianity is dying with its old white european population, but Islam is alive and muslims population is growing in number... and is ready to destroy European christian civilisation. The worst is that our population will keep on decline and people from around the world will convert us to the sharia laws.
WALTKRIEG 7 months ago
@modernecon Impossible, total freedom is an utopia. Communists made their world become the worst nightmare of the history.
WALTKRIEG 7 months ago
Ken Blackwell was instrumental in the voter suppression campaign in Ohio in 2004. A godly man, he.
modernecon 8 months ago
@modernecon Yeah. Now, a second reason he DESERVES a "grand slam" baseball bat swing to the melon.
indignant99 7 months ago
@BibleBeliever994 I wish it would return to Europe and the middle East - where it came from!
NMWMN 8 months ago
What was 'The Last of the Mohicans' about again?
NMWMN 8 months ago
... built on a moral foundation? What was the last of the mohicans all about?
NMWMN 8 months ago
32% of the US got smarter! Simply amazing. Its hilarious how many people dont know that our country is NOT a christian nation. yes there are alot of christians in america, but the country was founded to be an religion FREE government since we left the religious oppression of England. Of course if this was taught in schools more people would probably understand this. Our forefathers were from MANY beliefs including non believers. To think that this moron believes himself is incredulous.
TwistedDrummer69 8 months ago 3
I think Blackwell believes that condescending laughter is his trump card. Unfortunately, he is almost correct -- condescending laughter is his best argument. And that's sad.
rushncap 8 months ago
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GahdeMalprigi1488x 8 months ago
Family RESEARCH Council, As if they had any intention to research anything besides how best to shove their dogma down everybody's throats.
dymchurch1 8 months ago
@dymchurch1 If he shoves his damn dogma down my throat, I'll bite the son-of-a-bitch clean off.
indignant99 7 months ago
this black guy is a fucking ignorant idiot. Holy shit by far one of the most stupid people ive heard argue with hitchens
nieto1992 9 months ago
@nieto1992 Very true - Hitchens is punching below his weight with this guy.
dilwich123 8 months ago
,I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
shieldsff 9 months ago
when will the fall of islam come. islamic theocratic fascism is gripping the minds of people across europe, australia and britain. i'm glad christianity is on the decline but islam is more dangerous as it is a totalitarian ideology. you gotta walk into the toilet in your left foot and wipe your ass a certain way.
halflifeproductionz 9 months ago
No matter who is in the majority, the US is not a "Christian Nation" for the simple reason that we have NO state religion at all, and allow the unrestricted practice of all religions.
GoblinXXX 9 months ago
Ken Blackwell just got Hitch Slaped like a lil' bitch - As Dawkins has said before "If you ever get the chance to debate Hitchens...don't".
Watching Hitch debate is like watching Dikembe Mutombo play defence on a 4th grader.
Jasonmilitia2009 9 months ago 4
The arrogance of Christians is annoying as hell. Hell would be worth escaping them!
kville105125 9 months ago 5
Laughter and smiling: defense mechanisms.
NZRand0m 9 months ago 6
This was fantastic. The theist wanted to bring up the Pilgrims? I dread a nation founded on the principles of the Pilgrims!
Hitchens should have brought up the Salem Witch Trials. This is what happens when you allow a theocratic system of law to govern. That's what happens when you allow Judeo-Christian principles to be the basis of law.
AdIgnorantiam 9 months ago 4
@AdIgnorantiam Crediting the pilgrims as "founders" of the United States is laughable in any case. They founded one shitty little colony, with the aid of financial backers only interested in making a profit, nearly 200 years before we declared independence, and were long gone both in fact and in spirit by that time. They contributed nothing to the Enlightenment ideals of the real founding fathers.
GoblinXXX 9 months ago 2
4:50 lol PRERGRUMS???
me700gnomes 9 months ago
Never use rhetorical questions in debate against Hitchens. He'll answer them. And well.
BlueMaxx86 10 months ago
It is contemptible that some adults fool themselves into believing ludicrous fairy tales.... spineless idiots who can't handle reality.
vinegarthomas 10 months ago
@vinegarthomas Well some people are brainwashed at an early age, to young to question..thus they go their whole lives without ever thinking about it...but other then that...YUP, you just about summed it up..lol
23Tev 10 months ago
@23Tev
Thank you for your response. You made a good point. Have a pleasant evening.
vinegarthomas 10 months ago
@23Tev I guess I was "brainwashed" lol. My family has never forced Christianity on me though, I guess I foudn it myself. I'm only 17 and I found God. I really don't care what atheists or muslims or jews have to say. I'm proud to be a christian, but I am a good christian. I am not one who would force my beliefs on anyone. I respect everyone and even this comment :)
iCharlie94 9 months ago
@iCharlie94 aaaaaaaaaaah dw ull grow out of it as your brain develops more. well hopefully.
trikstarik 9 months ago
@iCharlie94 "I really dont care what atheists or muslims or jews have to say"<--- Epic fucking fail.
ShroomFuu86 8 months ago
@iCharlie94 But the Bible tells you to go and spread the word everywhere. The inquisition wasn't a perversion of "holy scripture" but what you get when you follow every 'T' and every 'I'.
courtlandmcdaniel 6 months ago
@courtlandmcdaniel ''But the Bible tells you to go and spread the word everywhere''
Where does it say that?
jfsfrnd 6 months ago
@jfsfrnd It's here. matthew 28:16-20
courtlandmcdaniel 6 months ago
That Blackweel dude just grins and chuckles like an idiot everything Hitchens talks and doesn't even begin to try to listen. Typical religious zombie.
Long live Hitchens!!!
jeanfou1 10 months ago
"our enemies are the mostly godly group"... hear hear!
TangoAlphaDelta 10 months ago
Ken Blackwell is a fucking idiot.
myklee 10 months ago 4
"answer the question when you get a chance"
HAHAHAHA, Hitchens fucking owns
LeonProfessional85 10 months ago
@Omnicron777
It has many elements of Deism in that they worship "The Supreme Architect", abhor organized religion, appeal to reason and observation, and the "majority of early Freemasons were Deists". But morover Freemasonry is a system of rites and 'morals' more than a religion, which of course uses kabbalah and strong elements of initiatory gnosticism.
OrthodoxDarwinist 10 months ago
Did you know that ...
1. Jesus Christ fulfills over 2-0-0 Old Testament Messianic Prophecies ( Isaiah 9:6-7; etc.) Google Messianic Prophecies fulfilled by Jesus.
2. Jesus Christ makes 30 “I AM” statements in the Gospel of John.
a. “… for unless you believe that I am, you shall die in your sins.” (John 8:24)
Check the Gospel of John in the New Testament.
3. 17 Secular sources confirm that Jesus Christ walked the earth (Celsus, Tacitus, Lucian, etc.) Google Secular sources for Jesus.
jclsfgicl 11 months ago
@jclsfgicl - And did you know that none of this proves that he is the song of god, nor that his teachings are morally, ethically, or logically correct.
314Aurelius 10 months ago
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Jesus Is God
1. Jesus Christ fulfills over 2-0-0 Old Testament Messianic Prophecies ( Isaiah 9:6-7; etc.) Google Messianic Prophecies fulfilled by Jesus.
2. Jesus Christ makes 30 “I AM” statements in the Gospel of John.
a. “… for unless you believe that I am, you shall die in your sins.” (John 8:24)
Check the Gospel of John in the New Testament.
3. 17 Secular sources confirm that Jesus Christ walked the earth (Celsus, Tacitus, Lucian, etc.) Google Secular sources for Jesus.
jclsfgicl 11 months ago
@jclsfgicl None of these "secular sources" were even alive when Jesus supposedly was, so this is all hearsay. The OT "prophecies" are so vague that they can be twisted to mean many things. You, like all other religious people, believe what you want to believe for emotional reasons. Even if any of this were true, which it is not, your "god" is an inept communicator....
richwfd2002 10 months ago
Someone should inform Mr. Ken Blackwell that excessive laughing, smiling and giggling during a debate is generally the sign of a man being badly defeated.
314Aurelius 11 months ago 4
@314Aurelius - the guy wouldn't shut his ignorant pie hole!
steve51704000 10 months ago
@steve51704000 - Be more specific. There are two guys here. Which are you referring to?
314Aurelius 10 months ago
The founding fathers of America were all Freemasons, which as Hitchens rightly pointed out, are Deists, and very much anti-Christian. One of the main reasons they fled Europe was because of the corruption of the Christian Church.
OrthodoxDarwinist 11 months ago
Smiling, smirking globe trotter assfuck
Cambrand 11 months ago
"The pilgrims were not the founders, my dear sir."
Love it!
cousinbelladonna 11 months ago 3
This Blackwell guy is a fucking idiot. This country was founded on what principles? I think it's a slap in the face of our founders to say they escaped religious tyranny only to create a religion based government.
meteda1070 11 months ago
This pastor or minister or whatever the fuck he is doesn't know his own history, let alone the history of the world. What a smarmy, condescending prick.
Kaalec 11 months ago
YOUTUBERS, please take the time to read all of ADAMBEERS comments below. IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY THEM, PLEASE REPLY TO HIM AND LET HIM KNOW! Lets stamp out racism and bigotry from the world!
R5d4d2 1 year ago 17
Again. Proof possitive that you are an ASSHOLE, ASSHOLE. Go away? I don't think so. How's the weather in Canada? Cold?
R5d4d2 1 year ago
@R5d4d2 Proof positive that you are a NIGGER. Yes it gets cold in Canada during the winter season. I suppose it isnt cold in Africa where you and your nigger brothers were brought here as slaves. Goodbye nigger, your stupidity bores me to tears.
adamsbeer 1 year ago
@adamsbeer DUMFUK! I am from Russia. Funny that my English is better than yours. U R still an ASSHOLE! Hopefully others will let you know too. Goodbye forever!
R5d4d2 1 year ago
@R5d4d2 dumfuk, is that the name of the communist state you live in?
adamsbeer 1 year ago
@adamsbeer Let me speak clearly. You are a Dumb Fuck! You are as gullible and bigoted as the theists you hate so much. I used to think that any fellow atheist would be an intellectual, like our mutual hero Hitch. But you clearly jump to conclusions and accept whatever you are told as "gospel." I am not black or really RUSSIAN but you are still a hateful ASSHOLE! Reply if you like, but I will just give you another BOLLOCKING! Cheers.
R5d4d2 1 year ago
@R5d4d2 Let me speak clearly, you are a russian nigger, and you are probrably a bible thumping, child molesting virgin. Cheers!
adamsbeer 1 year ago
@adamsbeer Very Sad! You refuse to recognize the truth, even when it is shoved in your face. I will pray for you, even though I am an atheist. Living in RACIST ASSHOLE lala-land! ... But seriously, you know you are wrong so why not just admit it.?
R5d4d2 1 year ago
@R5d4d2 The truth is you are a nigger! Why else would you have been so offended by a silly comment i made? You say you are an atheist yet you will pray for me...at this point i can only assume that you are a nigger that is also severely mentally disabled. I've grown tired of this nonsense, Me 1 - You(nigger) 0.
adamsbeer 1 year ago
@adamsbeer ASSHOLE, I am offended by your use of the N-word, even in a "joke," because it is offensive to ALL DECENT PEOPLE. Now let me examine your intellect. I have told you I am not black, but you still believe I am. I jokingly told you I am Russian (which i then refuted) but you still believe I am. I sarcastically told you I would pray for you, and that boggled your mind. I stand by me earlier statement that you thave the intellect of a 12 year old.
R5d4d2 1 year ago
@R5d4d2 you are a russian nigger :)
adamsbeer 1 year ago
@adamsbeer Good, I'm glad you are not giving in. Time for another Bollocking! You claim to be Canadian (I've been there many times). Very nice people, you must be the freak! You claim to be 34 (clearly a man who should know right from wrong). And yet you spew RACIST slurs for your own amusement. SAD!
AGAIN I HOPE OTHERS WILL READ YOUR COMMENTS AND LET YOU KNOW HOW THEY FEEL!
Now can you come up with an coherent argument (what are you defending again, oh yeah RACISM)? Lets play!
R5d4d2 1 year ago 2
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@R5d4d2 you are a nigger
adamsbeer 1 year ago
@R5d4d2 Lets play??? Listen, i have no interest in getting dragged in to your homosexual fantasies.
p.s. stay the fuck out of Canada, we dont want homosexual niggers like yourself!
adamsbeer 1 year ago
@adamsbeer Wow, what a powerful argument. Lets see, you hate black people, you hate gay people ... you sound more and more like a Christian Fundamentalist with every statement. Are you confused. You can't attack my message, so you try to attack the messenger (sounding like a theist?). Pitiful!
You are a sick, pathetic, hateful , spiteful, RACIST prick! Go hide in your hole.
P.S. I can keep this "discussion" up all year.
R5d4d2 1 year ago 3
@R5d4d2 I know a homosexual nigger like yourself can keep this up for a year as i'm sure you are not gainfully employed and have no desire to be. I on the other hand have better things to do than listen to your ramblings. I'm sure you will reply to this but i wont read it so give yourself a pat on the back sir, you really put me in my place on this one...lol. goodbye :)
adamsbeer 1 year ago
@adamsbeer As long as you keep spewing RACIST and now ANTI-GAY slurs, I will keep responding. If I am unemployed, then what are you? You keep responding 10 minutes after I do? Anyway, thanks for surrendering. The smartest thing you've done in the past 24 hours. Goodbye for the last time (I hope).
R5d4d2 1 year ago 3
@adamsbeer I am a Canadian. Don't you dare to presume to speak for me you racist little arsehole. I would prefer if you left Canada as soon as possible. I think you would be much more comfortable in Mississippi or Alabama.
Kaalec 11 months ago
@Kaalec Dont you dare presume that I give a rats ass about what you think or like. hahaha this is amazing!!!
adamsbeer 11 months ago
@adamsbeer Troll
Kaalec 11 months ago
@Kaalec Big time!
adamsbeer 11 months ago
@adamsbeer You got me once, but not twice. You have been trolling a few people along very nicely, however.
Kaalec 11 months ago
@Kaalec its beyond childish and im not sure why i do it but i should really lay off for a while haha. I actually dont believe any of the nonsense i printed in my earlier posts.
good day to you sir,
adamsbeer 11 months ago
@adamsbeer Yeah, I know. I do it too sometimes just because it can be fun to predict a response and then use the right bait to trigger it. Fundamentalist Christians and the chronically political correct are the easiest. And most fun.
Kaalec 11 months ago
@adamsbeer You earlier stated that you were "pleased" that I took offense to your RACISM. But now you grow tired of it? More contradictions. If you really want out, simply don't respond, and I won't either. Otherwise, speak to you soon.
R5d4d2 1 year ago
Blackwell is an ignorant idiot. Talking out of his ass!
R5d4d2 1 year ago
Christopher Hitchens 1 - Ken Blacknigger 0
adamsbeer 1 year ago
@adamsbeer Asshole!
R5d4d2 1 year ago
@R5d4d2 :(...lol...nigger!!!
adamsbeer 1 year ago
@adamsbeer Couldn't be more wrong. Now you're talking out of your ass - ASSHOLE x 2!!
R5d4d2 1 year ago
@R5d4d2 I'm absolutely right. NIGGER x 2
adamsbeer 1 year ago
@adamsbeer Every time you use that word you prove to the world that you are an ASSHOLE. I know that I am arguing with (someone with the intellect of) a 12 year old here, but I think it is worth it. Hopefully when other people visit this page and read your comments, they will also let you know that you are an ASSHOLE. For another thing, you seem to support Hitch. Would he use that word. Are yours the words of a follow intellectual? Just grow up already!
R5d4d2 1 year ago
@R5d4d2 Hi nigger. It would seem as if you have taken tremendous offence by my earlier comments. This pleases me. It would also seem that you hold me in high regard by putting me in the same sentence as Christopher Hitchens. I will not be returning the favor, you are a nigger, an ape, a baboon. Go away nigger!!
adamsbeer 1 year ago
200 years and Christianity is gone, or at least will be a minority
etazra78 1 year ago
Ugh.. I hate religion.
StuckInAPen 1 year ago