@PureBl00d101. Going to war for treaty obligations is far being mechanical nor did British guarantee of Belgium's independence gave no grounds to maneuver for peace.
Economically, it is in Britain's best interest to have the German Empire to exist. In terms of colonial interest, German Empire didn't bring any immediate threat to British Empire. Besides, how can Britain be sure the Entente would lose war during 1914? Again, calling for war in British interest makes little sense.
A better question is why Britain even need to fight the entire bloody war. Britain should have left the rest of Europe do what as they pleased to themselves. That way, Britain could have generated so much trade through selling arms to both sides and spared its men from slaughter.
@TKKTism Treaty obligations my son. Plus the fact Britain couldn't allow a rival superpower (Germany) free reign in Europe, which would then of course translate into global aspirations and threaten British interests.
Just because you make a bullshit film showing these men as having been murdered after surrendering doesn't mean that is what actually happened , now does it ?
As with many in the Gallipoli campaign , this company just vanished - allegedly .
I have been over some of that ground and it is so cut up with ravines and bloody great rocks everywhere that you could lose an army in there .
And of course...and i'm sure you'll agree. no one should ever be executed out of hand...that is the sort of act that marks a man out as a barbarian...and if you don't realise that. then I pity you.
@notfirstusername I'm from a military background too and like I said in my first post I certainly don't condone the killing of enemy combatants who have obviously surrendered. Treating POWs well makes good policy - the other side is less likely to fight to the last if they know they'll be handled fairly. The danger point is the moment of surrender or just afterwards. What narks me is when things like this get politicised.
Although I do realise that my first reaction may have been just that...reactionary. (can't help it, I come from a military family.) and if there is a fact or two that I have missed, then I do apologise.
Really well done. Nice to have a mystery where the mystery is explained instead of some arty-farty ambigous cop-out. Also very gutsy to show the boys and Captain beck getting executed in real-time detail instead of some feeble cosmetic fade-out. Yet it still retains the legend of the Sandringham company veyr poignantly, great stuff. fuck those Turks by the way, but fuck the British high command even more for sending good (but gullible) men and teenagers out there to be killed horribly.
@jegspillerpiano The one who sent them there would eventually become Prime Minister- first Lord of The Admiralty Winston Churchill, whose own war experiences up to that point were fighting Boer farmers in South Africa and lounging about in the Territorial Army. That was one reason perhaps why today the Admiralty is actually held by proper admirals!
@notfirstusername Simple. Their country was being invaded by a hostile power and a bunch of infidels to boot. Also, 'reputation for not taking prisoners' does not equate to 'never took any'. Also, they probably couldn't be arsed. Slot them quick and clean - job done. Just like what troops on all sides did in both World Wars.
@notfirstusername (Contd) For example, the original operational orders for the successful 18th Division attack on Thiepal in September 1916 which the BBC researchers had copied from the National Archive.
It clearly stated that no prisoners were to be taken.
I wonder how much of the racist, anti-Muslim crap being spewed out here is a product of the fact that at Gallipoli the Turks won?
@olkiej Turks are SCUM...pig eating muslim SCUM......we do not want uncivilised turkey in the EU or NATO....turks have an extreme history of genocide, Armenians, Christian, Kurds, Greeks, Syrians and many more ethnic groups.......the few turks in my town are kebab makers who most people will not talk to and boycott their shop....we want them deported for being criminals and drug dealers.....
@olkiej I am british and from the area these young men came from....their names are on memorials in villages all around.....we don't want muslims in civilised europe.............
My dear ronzzzzz81, you like it or not, this is the way we, the uncivilized Turks, deal with the civilized occupiers! If you do not want your civilized brain to be blown by the uncivilized Turks or your civilized ass not to be torn apart by the uncivilized Turks, please keep your civilized brain and civilized ass away as possible from the uncivilized borders of the uncivilized Turks! Just a friendly advice to a civilized Brit (of whatever shit you are!) by an uncivilized Turk.
So far as I can recall British Empire Forces ultimately routed the Turks on all fronts in the First World War. You Turks may shoot prisoners, but we Brits can also shoot prisoners. And ultimately a lot more Turks surrendered than British!
@Kampfer1445 But a failure none the less. The Turkish victory was a critical moment in the war and they proved themselves very capable fighters, never again would the Allies divert men and resources away from the Western Front.
@calicheSCOT The Turks certainly proved themselves fierce fighters, but in the rest you are wrong. The British fought the Turks on two fronts, in Mesopotamia and Egypt-Palestine, while the Allies kept large numbers of troops in the Salonika Bridgehead. The Turkish success at Gallipoli was however due more to a decisive commander on the spot, Colonel (later General) Mustafa Kemal, and through the decisive leadership of Liman von Sanders, rather than any great Ottoman military qualities.
With the exception of Gallipoli (and Kut) the armies of Ottoman Turkey suffered a catalogue of defeats on every front, most notably in the Caucasus and Palestine. Even at Gallipoli, in spite of having the high ground and being on the defensive the Turks suffered considerably higher casualties than the Allied forces. The Turks did manage to discredit the so called 'Easterners' in Britain, and undermined the concept of amphibious warfare, but the Ottoman Army was nevertheless a poor fighting force
this was 1915 you fucking idiot ? turkish people are not all like this, and to be such a hypocrite , remember 1972 when british soilders shot dead 13 innocent peacful protesters in northern ireland ?
@scheissheiss so your suggesting i was in the ira well im not as a matter of fact my grandfather fought in the first world war for britain and we he got home he was tortured by the bastards
@irishmckiddo Well clearly that's a total outrage, but just chucking out generalised hatred about the British & something that happened a long time ago doesn't really get you anywhere. It's clear to anyone with a half a brain that your country sure as hell doesn't belong to mine. If there hadn't been all the violence we'd have dumped Paisley and his mob years ago.
@irishmckiddo I just said you'd got a balaclava ( A colonial bastard British invention - so pretty ironic there doncha think) You remind me of Bill Clinton describing the parties at the Good Friday agreement likes drunks in a revolving door. Anyway - i see on your channel that you like Coldplay - a hanging offence is ever there was one...Anyway I'm bored now.
All ov u sayin the Turks took prisoners and obeyed the rules of war and Geneva conventions I am sorry to say but You really have got no touch on reality and even less touch on what happens in a war. Everybody changes in war and rules mean nothing in a battle.
That is ultimately true, as true today as it was in the Middle Ages. The idea of warcrimes and laws of war are a fiction; like the Rules of Chivalry, they are nice if applied, but in battle there are ultimately no rules. To paraphrase Clausewitz, war is an act of violence pushed to its utmost bounds; it would be insane to introduce a principal of moderation to it.
In a book about Marine Corps general Chesty Puller, in the Korean War Puller visited a Turkish Army encampment. He asked how the Turks prevented local Koreans from stealing food and supplies. The Turkish officer took him to the back of the camp and showed him where the Turks had crucified a number of Koreans on poles. The British here were lucky to have just been shot and not buggered and crucified by the Turks - real luck would have been to be captured by the Germans instead.
Howzit guys? Man I saw this back in SA a few years ago. Very good, but of much reverlance to me. My great grandfather served with the Cape Corps in the Middle East during the Great War.
Dont you believe it about those Turks being innocent. All I know is what my father has told me about HIS fathers' experiences. If your intrested do research of what the Trurks did to the British prisoners after the battle of kut for example. One of many Tirkish attrocities. Anyway peace out guys! SA greetings
my god.....amazing, really amazing acting and filming.....
But so sad, I was a kid when i watched it and still cry now when I hear those sad pathetic words: "my boys.........my dear boys...." They really are the sadist words ever spoken....and David Jason delivers them so well. This was his greatest role, for me it made him great.
The Turks did not kill prisoners? I think you would be surprised what happens in war.Its not like a t.v show,its ugly and brings out the animal within us.
Both sides in battle would have killed Prisoners of War. There is little evidence of this because it is not something either side would release details of but I imagine that there were small isolated cases of such atrocities.
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scheissheiss 3 weeks ago
fucking people leaving racist comments about the turkish people , clearly do not of the history of bloodshed caused by the british army
irishmckiddo 3 weeks ago
@PureBl00d101. Going to war for treaty obligations is far being mechanical nor did British guarantee of Belgium's independence gave no grounds to maneuver for peace.
Economically, it is in Britain's best interest to have the German Empire to exist. In terms of colonial interest, German Empire didn't bring any immediate threat to British Empire. Besides, how can Britain be sure the Entente would lose war during 1914? Again, calling for war in British interest makes little sense.
TKKTism 4 weeks ago
A better question is why Britain even need to fight the entire bloody war. Britain should have left the rest of Europe do what as they pleased to themselves. That way, Britain could have generated so much trade through selling arms to both sides and spared its men from slaughter.
TKKTism 1 month ago
@TKKTism Treaty obligations my son. Plus the fact Britain couldn't allow a rival superpower (Germany) free reign in Europe, which would then of course translate into global aspirations and threaten British interests.
PureBl00d101 4 weeks ago
This is why turkey must never be allowed to join the EU, compleatly uncivilised and whay behind Europe, ethically.
silu81 1 month ago 4
Just because you make a bullshit film showing these men as having been murdered after surrendering doesn't mean that is what actually happened , now does it ?
As with many in the Gallipoli campaign , this company just vanished - allegedly .
I have been over some of that ground and it is so cut up with ravines and bloody great rocks everywhere that you could lose an army in there .
zarquon53 2 months ago
fucking turks...brutal animals without honour...
1984Brac 2 months ago
Del Boy getting shot in the head....what a performance!
SantomPh 3 months ago
And of course...and i'm sure you'll agree. no one should ever be executed out of hand...that is the sort of act that marks a man out as a barbarian...and if you don't realise that. then I pity you.
notfirstusername 3 months ago
@notfirstusername I'm from a military background too and like I said in my first post I certainly don't condone the killing of enemy combatants who have obviously surrendered. Treating POWs well makes good policy - the other side is less likely to fight to the last if they know they'll be handled fairly. The danger point is the moment of surrender or just afterwards. What narks me is when things like this get politicised.
whyterose1471 3 months ago
Although I do realise that my first reaction may have been just that...reactionary. (can't help it, I come from a military family.) and if there is a fact or two that I have missed, then I do apologise.
notfirstusername 3 months ago
Really well done. Nice to have a mystery where the mystery is explained instead of some arty-farty ambigous cop-out. Also very gutsy to show the boys and Captain beck getting executed in real-time detail instead of some feeble cosmetic fade-out. Yet it still retains the legend of the Sandringham company veyr poignantly, great stuff. fuck those Turks by the way, but fuck the British high command even more for sending good (but gullible) men and teenagers out there to be killed horribly.
jegspillerpiano 3 months ago
@jegspillerpiano The one who sent them there would eventually become Prime Minister- first Lord of The Admiralty Winston Churchill, whose own war experiences up to that point were fighting Boer farmers in South Africa and lounging about in the Territorial Army. That was one reason perhaps why today the Admiralty is actually held by proper admirals!
SantomPh 3 months ago
Turkish forces in WW1 had a reputation for not taking prisoners. I don't condone it but I can understand why.
whyterose1471 3 months ago
@whyterose1471 ...really? please explain to me why then.
notfirstusername 3 months ago
@notfirstusername Simple. Their country was being invaded by a hostile power and a bunch of infidels to boot. Also, 'reputation for not taking prisoners' does not equate to 'never took any'. Also, they probably couldn't be arsed. Slot them quick and clean - job done. Just like what troops on all sides did in both World Wars.
whyterose1471 3 months ago
@notfirstusername (Contd) For example, the original operational orders for the successful 18th Division attack on Thiepal in September 1916 which the BBC researchers had copied from the National Archive.
It clearly stated that no prisoners were to be taken.
I wonder how much of the racist, anti-Muslim crap being spewed out here is a product of the fact that at Gallipoli the Turks won?
whyterose1471 3 months ago
Why are you assuming that the Ottoman Empire was some poor oppressed sufferer of hideous British imperialism?
notfirstusername 3 months ago
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MrTreeofwoe 3 months ago
That is truly an horrific scene! It has haunted me ever since I first saw it back in the early 2000's!
The Turks were barbaric at Galipalli! 130,784 Dead, 21,255 of them British! A sad chapter in British Military History!
arranle 3 months ago
bullshit,
this scene is fake.
tatar069 4 months ago
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acr225 5 months ago
People like to blame the turks but keep in mind no exact account of what happened to the Sandringham men exists.
TigerRifle1 8 months ago
@TigerRifle1 apart from skulls with bullet holes being found, with sandringam badges nearby,
THthefirst 6 months ago
dirty turks
HPmob420 8 months ago
Fucking Turkish scum, they murdered over a million Armenian civilians in the war, yet no one remembers it.
uafchris 8 months ago 3
Turks are great fighters so where the British! FUCK FRANCE!
olkiej 11 months ago
@olkiej Turks are SCUM...pig eating muslim SCUM......we do not want uncivilised turkey in the EU or NATO....turks have an extreme history of genocide, Armenians, Christian, Kurds, Greeks, Syrians and many more ethnic groups.......the few turks in my town are kebab makers who most people will not talk to and boycott their shop....we want them deported for being criminals and drug dealers.....
macbrack04 10 months ago 3
@macbrack04 said the armenian or french, you cant be British.
olkiej 10 months ago
@olkiej I am british and from the area these young men came from....their names are on memorials in villages all around.....we don't want muslims in civilised europe.............
macbrack04 10 months ago 3
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is this out on dvd?
TheTonyfernandes 1 year ago
My dear ronzzzzz81, you like it or not, this is the way we, the uncivilized Turks, deal with the civilized occupiers! If you do not want your civilized brain to be blown by the uncivilized Turks or your civilized ass not to be torn apart by the uncivilized Turks, please keep your civilized brain and civilized ass away as possible from the uncivilized borders of the uncivilized Turks! Just a friendly advice to a civilized Brit (of whatever shit you are!) by an uncivilized Turk.
TheCaptainMidnight 1 year ago
So far as I can recall British Empire Forces ultimately routed the Turks on all fronts in the First World War. You Turks may shoot prisoners, but we Brits can also shoot prisoners. And ultimately a lot more Turks surrendered than British!
Kampfer1445 1 year ago
@Kampfer1445 Apart from the Dardinelles of course, that was a colossal British failure.
calicheSCOT 1 year ago
@calicheSCOT Well, to be precise, an Anglo-French failure.
Kampfer1445 1 year ago
@Kampfer1445 But a failure none the less. The Turkish victory was a critical moment in the war and they proved themselves very capable fighters, never again would the Allies divert men and resources away from the Western Front.
calicheSCOT 1 year ago
@calicheSCOT The Turks certainly proved themselves fierce fighters, but in the rest you are wrong. The British fought the Turks on two fronts, in Mesopotamia and Egypt-Palestine, while the Allies kept large numbers of troops in the Salonika Bridgehead. The Turkish success at Gallipoli was however due more to a decisive commander on the spot, Colonel (later General) Mustafa Kemal, and through the decisive leadership of Liman von Sanders, rather than any great Ottoman military qualities.
Kampfer1445 1 year ago
With the exception of Gallipoli (and Kut) the armies of Ottoman Turkey suffered a catalogue of defeats on every front, most notably in the Caucasus and Palestine. Even at Gallipoli, in spite of having the high ground and being on the defensive the Turks suffered considerably higher casualties than the Allied forces. The Turks did manage to discredit the so called 'Easterners' in Britain, and undermined the concept of amphibious warfare, but the Ottoman Army was nevertheless a poor fighting force
Kampfer1445 1 year ago 2
They even stole from The Prisoners of War, after they had been Murdered!!!!! Utter SCUM, turkisk soldiers. Utter scum.
ronzzzzz81 1 year ago
fimin tamamini nereden seyredebilirim
solenzara1 1 year ago
Uncivilised turks.
I honour my British fallen.
We will NEVER forget You.
God Save The Queen!!!!!!
ronzzzzz81 2 years ago 28
@ronzzzzz81 queens a slut
DJsharp707 1 year ago
@DJsharp707 and you're a dick.
Gilmoreothe1 7 months ago
@Gilmoreothe1 im kidding lmfao
DJsharp707 7 months ago
@DJsharp707 Oh, sorry.
Gilmoreothe1 6 months ago
@ronzzzzz81 loooooooool fuck yourself british propaganda pig , brits are anti humans iland monkeys
KOKATONGA 1 year ago
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acr225 5 months ago
@ronzzzzz81 Don't you realize that this is fiction?
acr225 5 months ago
@acr225 Do you realize that credible evidence that this happened have been found?
StarskySTARS 4 months ago
@ronzzzzz81 all counties of all flags share the same atrocities this is what we do to each other. no other country is better than the other.
rarolland 2 months ago
@ronzzzzz81 Agree, I'm American but those men fought bravelly and with honor. Fucking Turks...
Taccom54 2 months ago 3
@ronzzzzz81 If you hate the Turks my good fellow why not go and slaughter a few in Gallipoli? Im sure that will make things better
TheKickass227 1 month ago
this was 1915 you fucking idiot ? turkish people are not all like this, and to be such a hypocrite , remember 1972 when british soilders shot dead 13 innocent peacful protesters in northern ireland ?
irishmckiddo 3 weeks ago
@irishmckiddo Who's this comment addressed to? or can't you see properly with your balaclava on?
scheissheiss 3 weeks ago
@scheissheiss so your suggesting i was in the ira well im not as a matter of fact my grandfather fought in the first world war for britain and we he got home he was tortured by the bastards
irishmckiddo 3 weeks ago
@irishmckiddo Well clearly that's a total outrage, but just chucking out generalised hatred about the British & something that happened a long time ago doesn't really get you anywhere. It's clear to anyone with a half a brain that your country sure as hell doesn't belong to mine. If there hadn't been all the violence we'd have dumped Paisley and his mob years ago.
scheissheiss 3 weeks ago
@scheissheiss hey you started bu suggesting i was a member of the ira you hypocrite
irishmckiddo 3 weeks ago
@irishmckiddo I just said you'd got a balaclava ( A colonial bastard British invention - so pretty ironic there doncha think) You remind me of Bill Clinton describing the parties at the Good Friday agreement likes drunks in a revolving door. Anyway - i see on your channel that you like Coldplay - a hanging offence is ever there was one...Anyway I'm bored now.
scheissheiss 3 weeks ago
@scheissheiss Touché. lol.
floppyd0g 3 weeks ago
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BS1965able 2 weeks ago
@ronzzzzz81 uncivilized?
williamcarter1993 15 hours ago
All ov u sayin the Turks took prisoners and obeyed the rules of war and Geneva conventions I am sorry to say but You really have got no touch on reality and even less touch on what happens in a war. Everybody changes in war and rules mean nothing in a battle.
Colonelniko 2 years ago
That is ultimately true, as true today as it was in the Middle Ages. The idea of warcrimes and laws of war are a fiction; like the Rules of Chivalry, they are nice if applied, but in battle there are ultimately no rules. To paraphrase Clausewitz, war is an act of violence pushed to its utmost bounds; it would be insane to introduce a principal of moderation to it.
Kampfer1445 1 year ago
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british propaganda ! turks kill not prisoner
KOKATONGA 2 years ago
In a book about Marine Corps general Chesty Puller, in the Korean War Puller visited a Turkish Army encampment. He asked how the Turks prevented local Koreans from stealing food and supplies. The Turkish officer took him to the back of the camp and showed him where the Turks had crucified a number of Koreans on poles. The British here were lucky to have just been shot and not buggered and crucified by the Turks - real luck would have been to be captured by the Germans instead.
grantrjohnson 2 years ago
@grantrjohnson BULLSHIT
KOKATONGA 1 year ago
Howzit guys? Man I saw this back in SA a few years ago. Very good, but of much reverlance to me. My great grandfather served with the Cape Corps in the Middle East during the Great War.
Dont you believe it about those Turks being innocent. All I know is what my father has told me about HIS fathers' experiences. If your intrested do research of what the Trurks did to the British prisoners after the battle of kut for example. One of many Tirkish attrocities. Anyway peace out guys! SA greetings
JasperLee23 2 years ago
my god.....amazing, really amazing acting and filming.....
But so sad, I was a kid when i watched it and still cry now when I hear those sad pathetic words: "my boys.........my dear boys...." They really are the sadist words ever spoken....and David Jason delivers them so well. This was his greatest role, for me it made him great.
napoleonbonarparte 2 years ago 2
I saw this film many years ago.
This was my first exposure to David Jason in a dramatic role...and he more then exceeded my expectations!
Brilliant actor!
Morpheus1910 2 years ago 2
The Turks did not kill prisoners? I think you would be surprised what happens in war.Its not like a t.v show,its ugly and brings out the animal within us.
rollindanny57 2 years ago
This is a truly great film, would you please upload the rest of the film, escpecially the last battle
nickbuck1 2 years ago 10
This does not reflect the true identity of the Turks. The Turks did not kill prisoners. They looked after them with care. 'Propaganda?'
aykss 2 years ago
Both sides in battle would have killed Prisoners of War. There is little evidence of this because it is not something either side would release details of but I imagine that there were small isolated cases of such atrocities.
emexlondaxe78 2 years ago
Any chance you can upload the full movie? Haven't seen it since it came out, absolutely brilliant.
Kampfer1445 2 years ago 3
Thank you for uploading, I love this film, Sir David Jason at his best.
tristanlarkin1900 2 years ago 2