The news. People think it's only information but really it says what will get attention. The new generation, which the prime viewing group have no part in, are gone amok. And a black guy robbed a store. The viewers are good people who depend on the news to protect them from the bad people all around them. Either reform the news, or take it off the air and replace it with hip-hop videos, slasher movies, pornography, how to roll joints, something less bad.
All this discussion on gender roles and equal opportunity. What about equal value? If we make it seem like stereotypically masculine qualities are best, who would be feminine? We need to express gratitude to "feminine" people who nurture others. It's a vital role but we contempt it like the garbage man. We need nurturing, supportive, "feminine" people, so reward those people, not make them think they have to be tough competitive "masculine" like that's the only good thing.
Our secular school system (and families where the parents have already been ruined by the secular system) is ruining boys and girls. The girls will become self-destructive. The boys will destroy their surroundings. That's nature. So, are we gonna keep going this stupid way that hasn't worked for 50 years? Or are we going to get real about life?
What the school system is doing to young boys is CRIMINAL???
They are constantly trying to make young boys into FEMALES, as if there was something wrong with being male... as if female was normal and male was ABNORMAL? That young boys are DRUGGED INTO SUBMISSION with Prozac and Ritalin is terrible. What the schools should be doing, if they TRULY care about the success and survival of boys, is to a) find ways to hire more MALE teachers and b) teach boys in a way that suits young boys.
There are also much fewer good male role models. I know several godly men who teach middle and high school. But, the system doesn't allow them to share the reason for their successes in life, so that doesn't help either.
um, i hate to break it to you, but schools are very good at hiring males. it is true that women teachers are more concentrated at the elementary and middle school levels, the percentage of female teachers decreases the higher you go up the ladder (high school, associate professor, assistant professor...)
this is not a gender issue. it is a constant fight against archaic world perspectives and mentalities. the female students these boys mention are not out to make each boy's situation bad. this is just narrowmindedness on the part of teachers, parents, and the students themselves. the villain is abstract. we are the villains. dont demonize the young female who is held down just as much as the man is.
It seems crappy that these boys would deny girls their truth and yet demand their own truth. Why don't you just accept BOTH genders are put in stupid boxes and help BOTH genders instead of lying and saying, "oh no girls have it so much better!" to strengthen your argument? That might help you, but hurt others.
Overall, they seem to be denying that girls are oppressed. I am a girl and I KNOW that boys are treated unfairly. So are girls. I see examples of this everywhere. I consider myself a feminist, but I don't want girls to oppress boys any more than I want boys to oppress girls.
While this kind of discussion is a great start, we need to hear both sides to really know what's going on. I think that if girls gathered and expressed what they have to say, there would be a lot of interesting things to hear as well.
no actually there wouldn't. We have already HEARD what women have to say. WE hear it every day in every movie, TV show, magazine and it's all bullshit. Didn't you pay attention to what these boys were saying? They were saying "this girl power movement is a pile of bullshit" - in so many words.
I loved Gilder's book (except the evolutionary garbage at the beginning). Of COURSE feminist writers hate him. They named him "Pig of the Year" and then retired the title. The problem here is an unacceptance of reality. What Gilder has written is absolute truth, whether we WANT to agree or not. If we women don't allow men to be GOOD men in leadership, they will be BAD men who destroy EVERYTHING. History has proved that over and over and over again.
Anyone who favors the subjection of women is indeed a pig, and deserves the title!
Gilder wouldn't know the truth if it punched him in the face. Read his Playboy Interview. He lives in a fool's paradise, spitting against the whirlwinds of inevitable change.
In an old episode of LEAVE IT TO BEAVER, the boys in the neighborhood put on a play. Wally is upset when he's given the role of a girl. Seems that times haven't evolved enough since then.
No and times won't "evole" in the way you hope either. What YOU don't "get" is that we are ALREADY evolved. And you know HOW we evolved? Women EVOLVED to be inherently and intrinsically inferior. So no, no man will want have the "girls" role, not now and not in a thousand years from now. So "catch up" to the evolved state the rest of are at and stop building castles in the sky (or in your head)
You missed the entire point. It's only a role, and if men are as superior as they claim to be, they would have no qualms about such roles. I am caught up. In fact, I am advanced, and there's more reality stacked against your delusional sexist ideology than you care to admit. You are projecting a castle in the sky syndrome onto me. You want a neat little world where women "know" their place, but the fact remains is that women have found their inner strenghts, and there is no turning back.
Sorry pal, but you're guilty of psychological projection. The serious research that gains momentum is increasingly in my favor. Granted, there are natural differences between the sexes. I never held a contrary view. But lots of men have problems with the fact that a vast amount of differences are purely inculcated artifice, which they presume are "natural."
No in reality you and are guilty of much more than just psychological projection that you wrongfully attribute to me. In addition to projection, there is a sense of futile attempted fantasy. The research you quote without reference is biased. The majority of differences are in fact due to evolution of the species, and hence inherent and wholly natural.
Here is the reality that our current culture tries to hide: There are quite literally submissive circuits baked into the brains of women, through evolution, that make them shake with desire when they encounter a real man. So the answer to the directive "Go Evolve you pig!" is "I am"... and so are you by the way. :)
Real man? That's a cultural construct too. You can ask for Walt Whitman's definition and John Wayne's definition. What you find are two entirely different planets. When examining them, you will notice that Wayne's defintion is emotionally repressive, and there's nothing real about that.
And one final note of you getting this thing 180 degrees backward: The reality is that lots of Feminists have problems with the fact that most of the differences between men and women are real, which they presume are merely due to socialization. It's like fighting the wind. They (and you) can never win.
Not the feminists I know. Granted, there are some feminists who go off the deep end, such as when complimenting a woman on her looks is considered sexual harrassment. But in every movement, there are elements that go too far. Blurring the natural sex differences is not that the major thrust of feminism is about; it's about cultural prejudices that block women from following their hearts and talents.
Could you clarify? I was responding to someone who said that feminists simply want women to have the same opportunities that men have. I can't think of one opportunity that women are missing (except maybe faithful marriage and motherhood).
Women today are close to having equal opportunity because of feminists. There are women like Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham who deride feminists and yet are riding on their backs of the hard labor of their visionary efforts. Coulter and Ingraham; I have no respect for them.
I was speaking in some anger and directing toward a poster with some disturbing feminist ideas. I could soften the words but the facts remain. Here's what it would sound like normally: We are different and that's a good thing. Men and women complement each other. Our strength and your emotional softness. We are both better together. Assuming the message is being received by a heterosexual.
No you are not "advanced" beatbuddy, unless you mean your technical dexterity at masturbation. Particularly mental masturbation. All science based on gentics, anthropology, socialization, brian science, and -just-plain-opening-your-eyes to the facts spell out men are smarter, faster, stronger. There is no question if you and I were in a room you would be the follower and I would be deciding if you would be allowed to remain as part of the group.
Why would Wally want to play a girl? A boy would feel like he must not be male enough. If I was asked to play a boy, I'd think I wasn't pretty enough.
This is a subtle reflection of a sexist society and the deep-seated insecurities that men in this society have been inculcated with. The hidden message is that it's better to be a boy than a girl.
On the contrary, that is a social construct. Those who wish to live beyond those confines are abused, cajoled, and intimidated to remain within their prescribed spheres.
I go to an all girls school and my brother goes to an all boys school and I really think that it is the best way to educate both academically and socially. Whats great is that there is no pressure so you can learn at your own rate. Both of our schools also teach the students differently. Ex: My brothers school has more hands on teaching methods which allows them to use that energy...
True. You are a smart girl. I think separation would be better. From a man's perspective (or a boys) When I was in school I was always distracted from learning because I was so attracted to the girls in my class. It would have been better from a purely academic standpoint to be in an all boy's school.
Wow! very enlightning. I knew this was going on with the black males in schools but I had no idea that it was happing to white males too. This terrible US schools system is killing our males, and the media is to blame as well.
Real great to hear young lads talking about stuff like this. really want to comment on the lad who said about all the energy he has, yet the schools want to drug it down.
That is EVIL. that is whats going on for millions of kids. and these drugs damage them
see google video 'The Drugging of Our Children (Gary Null)'
yes! completely agree. It's a crime and it's being perpertrated against our boys every day. It's crimialzing being a man. The feminists have gone way to far and need to be put back in their place with a firm slap to the face by a man with a strong hard hand.
i thought this was a guy singing a boys to men song haha
nirokat 2 months ago
This is so true....well done
bigboys1199 7 months ago
re lame, half of what they said meant nothing to anyone. peace
sameritaco 1 year ago
The news. People think it's only information but really it says what will get attention. The new generation, which the prime viewing group have no part in, are gone amok. And a black guy robbed a store. The viewers are good people who depend on the news to protect them from the bad people all around them. Either reform the news, or take it off the air and replace it with hip-hop videos, slasher movies, pornography, how to roll joints, something less bad.
qwexas 2 years ago
All this discussion on gender roles and equal opportunity. What about equal value? If we make it seem like stereotypically masculine qualities are best, who would be feminine? We need to express gratitude to "feminine" people who nurture others. It's a vital role but we contempt it like the garbage man. We need nurturing, supportive, "feminine" people, so reward those people, not make them think they have to be tough competitive "masculine" like that's the only good thing.
qwexas 2 years ago
Our secular school system (and families where the parents have already been ruined by the secular system) is ruining boys and girls. The girls will become self-destructive. The boys will destroy their surroundings. That's nature. So, are we gonna keep going this stupid way that hasn't worked for 50 years? Or are we going to get real about life?
MyTwelveKids 2 years ago
What the school system is doing to young boys is CRIMINAL???
They are constantly trying to make young boys into FEMALES, as if there was something wrong with being male... as if female was normal and male was ABNORMAL? That young boys are DRUGGED INTO SUBMISSION with Prozac and Ritalin is terrible. What the schools should be doing, if they TRULY care about the success and survival of boys, is to a) find ways to hire more MALE teachers and b) teach boys in a way that suits young boys.
marcdaddy33 3 years ago
"find ways to hire more MALE teachers"
Most schools would love to hire men but men aren't really interested in becoming teachers.
Haitian1130 3 years ago
What's up, Haitian113)?
"but men aren't really interested in becoming teachers."
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that is not necessarily true. I've got an article to send u later. look out for a message in your inbox
peace.
marcdaddy33 3 years ago
There are also much fewer good male role models. I know several godly men who teach middle and high school. But, the system doesn't allow them to share the reason for their successes in life, so that doesn't help either.
MyTwelveKids 2 years ago
um, i hate to break it to you, but schools are very good at hiring males. it is true that women teachers are more concentrated at the elementary and middle school levels, the percentage of female teachers decreases the higher you go up the ladder (high school, associate professor, assistant professor...)
aerochick42 3 years ago
smart lad at 2:25. well-developed views
MadOKO899 3 years ago
The current education system (in the west) is biased against guys. I've had a history teacher in high school even admit it.
Bio98765 4 years ago
this is not a gender issue. it is a constant fight against archaic world perspectives and mentalities. the female students these boys mention are not out to make each boy's situation bad. this is just narrowmindedness on the part of teachers, parents, and the students themselves. the villain is abstract. we are the villains. dont demonize the young female who is held down just as much as the man is.
emilyalice44 4 years ago
Prejudices are the props of civilizations. ---Andre Gide
BeatBuddy 4 years ago
OMG, OMG, OMG! One might say that these boys are like the world's greatest intellectuals!
dtifft 4 years ago
It seems crappy that these boys would deny girls their truth and yet demand their own truth. Why don't you just accept BOTH genders are put in stupid boxes and help BOTH genders instead of lying and saying, "oh no girls have it so much better!" to strengthen your argument? That might help you, but hurt others.
starlettine 4 years ago
Overall, they seem to be denying that girls are oppressed. I am a girl and I KNOW that boys are treated unfairly. So are girls. I see examples of this everywhere. I consider myself a feminist, but I don't want girls to oppress boys any more than I want boys to oppress girls.
starlettine 4 years ago
While this kind of discussion is a great start, we need to hear both sides to really know what's going on. I think that if girls gathered and expressed what they have to say, there would be a lot of interesting things to hear as well.
merhaba234 4 years ago
no actually there wouldn't. We have already HEARD what women have to say. WE hear it every day in every movie, TV show, magazine and it's all bullshit. Didn't you pay attention to what these boys were saying? They were saying "this girl power movement is a pile of bullshit" - in so many words.
DerekDiaz 4 years ago
Damn thats so true
Heru666 4 years ago
You're right. Read "Men and Marriage" by George Gilder. It's a great commentary on where America has strayed.
MyTwelveKids 2 years ago
Aachh! And read the dissertation about him by Susan Faludi! Surely you can find a better "hero".
BeatBuddy 2 years ago
I loved Gilder's book (except the evolutionary garbage at the beginning). Of COURSE feminist writers hate him. They named him "Pig of the Year" and then retired the title. The problem here is an unacceptance of reality. What Gilder has written is absolute truth, whether we WANT to agree or not. If we women don't allow men to be GOOD men in leadership, they will be BAD men who destroy EVERYTHING. History has proved that over and over and over again.
MyTwelveKids 2 years ago
Anyone who favors the subjection of women is indeed a pig, and deserves the title!
Gilder wouldn't know the truth if it punched him in the face. Read his Playboy Interview. He lives in a fool's paradise, spitting against the whirlwinds of inevitable change.
BeatBuddy 2 years ago
In an old episode of LEAVE IT TO BEAVER, the boys in the neighborhood put on a play. Wally is upset when he's given the role of a girl. Seems that times haven't evolved enough since then.
BeatBuddy 4 years ago
No and times won't "evole" in the way you hope either. What YOU don't "get" is that we are ALREADY evolved. And you know HOW we evolved? Women EVOLVED to be inherently and intrinsically inferior. So no, no man will want have the "girls" role, not now and not in a thousand years from now. So "catch up" to the evolved state the rest of are at and stop building castles in the sky (or in your head)
DerekDiaz 4 years ago
You missed the entire point. It's only a role, and if men are as superior as they claim to be, they would have no qualms about such roles. I am caught up. In fact, I am advanced, and there's more reality stacked against your delusional sexist ideology than you care to admit. You are projecting a castle in the sky syndrome onto me. You want a neat little world where women "know" their place, but the fact remains is that women have found their inner strenghts, and there is no turning back.
BeatBuddy 4 years ago 2
BeatBuddy, my guess is that you will be beating it alone for a long time to come (just as you undoubtedly always have).
You logic is so backward it is hard to even follow.
The very nature of domination and being the more powerful sex precludes the ability to be have "no qualms about such roles".
DerekDiaz 4 years ago
Sorry pal, but you're guilty of psychological projection. The serious research that gains momentum is increasingly in my favor. Granted, there are natural differences between the sexes. I never held a contrary view. But lots of men have problems with the fact that a vast amount of differences are purely inculcated artifice, which they presume are "natural."
BeatBuddy 4 years ago
No in reality you and are guilty of much more than just psychological projection that you wrongfully attribute to me. In addition to projection, there is a sense of futile attempted fantasy. The research you quote without reference is biased. The majority of differences are in fact due to evolution of the species, and hence inherent and wholly natural.
DerekDiaz 4 years ago
You guys love "bias" only when it works against you.
BeatBuddy 4 years ago
Here is the reality that our current culture tries to hide: There are quite literally submissive circuits baked into the brains of women, through evolution, that make them shake with desire when they encounter a real man. So the answer to the directive "Go Evolve you pig!" is "I am"... and so are you by the way. :)
DerekDiaz 4 years ago
Real man? That's a cultural construct too. You can ask for Walt Whitman's definition and John Wayne's definition. What you find are two entirely different planets. When examining them, you will notice that Wayne's defintion is emotionally repressive, and there's nothing real about that.
BeatBuddy 4 years ago
Where did you get this info. Because you are right.
By real man, it is ment someone who potrays these qualitys.
Protector of the Weak
Provider of Supply; knowledge, food,
Leader of self,family
Under control of emotions, and expresses them when approprate.
mataiwaizu 3 years ago
And one final note of you getting this thing 180 degrees backward: The reality is that lots of Feminists have problems with the fact that most of the differences between men and women are real, which they presume are merely due to socialization. It's like fighting the wind. They (and you) can never win.
DerekDiaz 4 years ago
Not the feminists I know. Granted, there are some feminists who go off the deep end, such as when complimenting a woman on her looks is considered sexual harrassment. But in every movement, there are elements that go too far. Blurring the natural sex differences is not that the major thrust of feminism is about; it's about cultural prejudices that block women from following their hearts and talents.
BeatBuddy 4 years ago
Would you please name some dream that women are blocked from doing?
MyTwelveKids 2 years ago
They're not blocked from their dreams; they are blocked from overtly expressing them, just like men are.
BeatBuddy 2 years ago
Could you clarify? I was responding to someone who said that feminists simply want women to have the same opportunities that men have. I can't think of one opportunity that women are missing (except maybe faithful marriage and motherhood).
MyTwelveKids 2 years ago
Women today are close to having equal opportunity because of feminists. There are women like Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham who deride feminists and yet are riding on their backs of the hard labor of their visionary efforts. Coulter and Ingraham; I have no respect for them.
BeatBuddy 2 years ago
@DerekDiaz
'Women EVOLVED to be inherently and intrinsically inferior.' what!!!!!!! please tell me you did not mean that.
sweetsugarapplepie 4 years ago
I was speaking in some anger and directing toward a poster with some disturbing feminist ideas. I could soften the words but the facts remain. Here's what it would sound like normally: We are different and that's a good thing. Men and women complement each other. Our strength and your emotional softness. We are both better together. Assuming the message is being received by a heterosexual.
DerekDiaz 4 years ago
No you are not "advanced" beatbuddy, unless you mean your technical dexterity at masturbation. Particularly mental masturbation. All science based on gentics, anthropology, socialization, brian science, and -just-plain-opening-your-eyes to the facts spell out men are smarter, faster, stronger. There is no question if you and I were in a room you would be the follower and I would be deciding if you would be allowed to remain as part of the group.
DerekDiaz 4 years ago
Why would Wally want to play a girl? A boy would feel like he must not be male enough. If I was asked to play a boy, I'd think I wasn't pretty enough.
MyTwelveKids 2 years ago
This is a subtle reflection of a sexist society and the deep-seated insecurities that men in this society have been inculcated with. The hidden message is that it's better to be a boy than a girl.
BeatBuddy 2 years ago
No, I don't see it that way at all. Its an OPEN message that boys want to be boys and girls want to be girls.
MyTwelveKids 2 years ago
On the contrary, that is a social construct. Those who wish to live beyond those confines are abused, cajoled, and intimidated to remain within their prescribed spheres.
BeatBuddy 2 years ago
I go to an all girls school and my brother goes to an all boys school and I really think that it is the best way to educate both academically and socially. Whats great is that there is no pressure so you can learn at your own rate. Both of our schools also teach the students differently. Ex: My brothers school has more hands on teaching methods which allows them to use that energy...
thinkNOW07 4 years ago 2
True. You are a smart girl. I think separation would be better. From a man's perspective (or a boys) When I was in school I was always distracted from learning because I was so attracted to the girls in my class. It would have been better from a purely academic standpoint to be in an all boy's school.
DerekDiaz 4 years ago
Wow! very enlightning. I knew this was going on with the black males in schools but I had no idea that it was happing to white males too. This terrible US schools system is killing our males, and the media is to blame as well.
Nuru305 4 years ago
Real great to hear young lads talking about stuff like this. really want to comment on the lad who said about all the energy he has, yet the schools want to drug it down.
That is EVIL. that is whats going on for millions of kids. and these drugs damage them
see google video 'The Drugging of Our Children (Gary Null)'
zezt 4 years ago 3
yes! completely agree. It's a crime and it's being perpertrated against our boys every day. It's crimialzing being a man. The feminists have gone way to far and need to be put back in their place with a firm slap to the face by a man with a strong hard hand.
DerekDiaz 4 years ago
errrrr NO!!! i dont mean THAT!
zezt 4 years ago
Girls are defamed in the media, boys are defamed in the classroom. Which is worse?
thejobloshow 4 years ago
Both genders are abused in the media and in the classroom.
0neLess 4 years ago
great vid; Fred Marx is a great filmmaker - I loved Hoop Dreams. Wonder what Steve James is doing lately.
qwerty4197 4 years ago