Why is he letting Ra's Al Gul die & in the next movie he saves the Joker in a some what similar situation. I mean Ra's is at least a good guy white good intentions he would deserve to be saved at least fore that where the Joker is a sociopath.
I suppose that one of Ra's disciples/henchmen will pick up the carcass and throw it in the Lazarus Pool. Too good of a villain to let that be the end of him.
@harbar3000 Well, in Christopher Nolan's take on the series (the director of the new Batman movies), Ras Al Ghul as an individual is not immortal. Nolan wanted to give the series the most realistic feel as possible. So, in the director's universe, it is the NAME thats immortal, because the name Ras Al Ghul is passed on from person to person, probably from leader to leader. Thus, thats why the legend of Ras Al Ghul being ''immortal'' exists.
@elvampe13 Has Nolan ever explicitly stated that the Lazarus Pits wouldn't be appearing? I remember seeing screenshots with what looked like one (obviously that's total speculation). I know Nolan is making everything very realistic, but I do wonder if the Pits will have a part in the final film...
the bum at 1:12 saying"nice ride" was a really terrible decision by nolan. why the hell would one want to insert a joke like that into the final fight which is about the excitment of stopping the train on time and the emotional climax of batman fighting his former mentor.
i feel the need to make a fanedit and remove that moment.
I find it just dumb it's called Batman begins and then the dark Knight and now upcoming is the dark Knight rises they should use a different name for the third film instead of adding "rises"
@popasoda1900 Why? It was intended to see if it could reboot the Batman franchise, but if it failed they would just call it a prequel to the existing movies, so putting Batman in the start is the only title that makes sense.
I think Ras was a step-and-above the Joker as a villain in this film. He didn't want to terrorize and control Gotham, he wanted to outright DESTROY it. He had already taken credit for stimulating the depression that had driven the city's lower and middle classes into poverty at Wayne's mansion a decade or two earlier.
I think his decision here to let him die was on a much more personal level.
This was the closest one on one fair fight so far in the series. Most of every other hand to hand fight Batman just dominates everyone other than the Joker when he had his 3 attack dogs and he couldn't see because of the sonar vision.
Batman vs Bane is going to be crazy. Catwoman is just going to get her ass kicked by both lol
There's no way batman could've saved him. He needed both his arms to parachute out the train which basically scratched out the idea of saving Ras. Plus it was more badass to watch Ras to face death with absolute acceptance rather than have batman carry him out like a pussy
tellytubies123 Yeah dude I'm not talking about Ras from the comics. I'm speaking of the charact that is portrayed in this movie who seems to rather face death than face humility.
I enjoy this movie because it's not the typical action hero movie where he dodges every bullet and punch and beats the hell out of the villain. He gets his ass whooped, but takes it like a man!
He immortal because someone takes the title. He is a legend. Ras told Bruce to become a legend and live forever. Batman Beyond anyone? What happened? He got old but found a replacement so Batman is immortal. Someone will alway wear the suit.
Idiots. Ras Al Ghul is not a person but a title. How do you think he burned Rome to the ground and put disease rats on ships??? A person would have died of old age. Ghul a legend He dies another takes the title Ras Al Ghul.
For Batman to not save Ra's is very uncharacteristic to him; Batman always saves the bad guy, to the point where it becomes annoying. I am really unhappy about how ruthless Nolan portrayed his Batman; even when he directs a gun at some thug's foot, and in TDK when he throws Maroni out the window. Its wrong, its not like the character at all.
@tellytubies123 Batman could of killed the joker in TDK during the building scene, HIT ME scene, and after rachael's death O.O he saved the joker all the time, joker said it himself " If you keep letting me live like this, i can see the both of us doing this forever and ever"! . The Dark Knight did a very good job in potraying The Joker, but never mentioned it's origin. It's origin is pratically a normal guy falling in a pile of messed up water, and became lunatic. Batman felt guilty of that.
@tellytubies123 And Ra's death is pretty unknown, people said he jumped off the train during it's fall but i cant seem too notice it, like he probably broke a leg or two and can be healed in his green holy water kept under his mansion. Or what Batman meant by I dont have too save you meaning Ra's can still find a way out ,and left with injuries which can be healed, better then being killed so he wont be able too heal himself from death nor injuries, ra's holy water can heal death just so u know.
@K3eOne What I'm talking about is Batman as a character though. As a character, he always saves the bad guy, to the point where it is almost an iconic visual; Batman pulling the Joker up from a long fall, etc. Its one of those things about Batman. And Nolan acknowledges it in the next movie, TDK; rather than allow the Joker to fall to his death, he saves him. So why would he allow Ra's to die? And I don't think Ra's could just jump off the train at its current speed + its height above ground.
Because if joker died it would have been BATMANs fault because he throws him. When RA's "died" it wasn't batmans fault because he didn't kill him, he just didn't save him.
@ObliviuxProductions Have you been paying attention to what I'm saying? It doesn't matter whose fault it is - Batman always saves the villain if he can. Always. I can't stress that enough. Its one of the fundamental traits of the character - his value on human life, no matter whose life it is. It can get annoying, but that's what makes Batman such a great character. He never lets the bad guy die. Have you read the comics, or even watched the animated series? You should go do that first.
Yeah I watched it them and read them when I was 11.
Not really a big part of my life. Perhaps Ra's pushed batmans limits when he burned his whole house down and his parents where assassinated by his orders.
@ObliviuxProductions Batman's limits could never be pushed to kill. Batman would never kill. It's pretty easy to understand.
And what do the comics being "not really a big part of my life" have to do with anything? They're there to enforce our arguments. We're talking about Batman here. When people need references for a college assignment, they use databases. Does that mean databases have to be a big part of someone's life?
@ObliviuxProductions He allowed Ra's to die. Batman would never do that; he always goes out of his way to save the bad guy, even at his own risk. And whether or not Ra's actually lived or died is besides the point.
@tellytubies123 You are right batman does go out of his own way to save the bad guy. However in this particular situation batman had to choose between Ra's or Gotham. So I don't get why this makes batman more ruthless. The only way to stop the train was to destroy the bridge therefore sending the train into free fall. What did you want batman to do grab Ra's and fly out the train. I doubt Ra's would want that. He would rather die then fail his mission. This makes batman more of hero
@MegaAntman22 I'm sorry, but you're statements are wrong. First, Batman did NOT need to choose between Ra's or Gotham. At that point, he had already won. Gordon had destroyed the bridge and Batman had jammed the controls of the train. It was over. Batman had time to both save Ra's and grab himself a Bat-milkshake at Wendy's too. Second, you said "What did you want Batman to do grab Ra's and fly out the train." Um .... we ARE talking about BATMAN, right? The guy with grapple guns and wings?
@MegaAntman22 Third, you said that Ra's would rather die than fail his mission. Now, if you knew ANYTHING about the character outside of the movie, you would know that Ra's fears death, and always aims to cheat it. He would rather fail his mission than die. In the comics, there are many instances of him abandoning his schemes to escape Batman. Fourth and most importantly of all - Batman would NEVER allow anyone to die if he could help it. Never, ever, EVER. Its very easy to understand.
@MegaAntman22 Exactly , Bruce disagreed with Ducard/Ra`s and was disgusted and betrayed by his Methods and Nihilistic Idealogy ! However , he STILL respected him as A Friend and Mentor ! He gave Ra`s A Choice : Death or Humiliation and THIS Particular Version of Ra`s chose Death !
@ContortedWhisk "Every superhero breaks their rules. It just happens. I'm sure if you pressed hard enough, you could find a comic where Batman did kill someone."
Wrong.
"Stop thinking of it as "Batman's decision" and think of it as "Bruce's Decision"."
There is no Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne is a performance, a mask. There's only Batman.And anyway, your comment was very highfalutin; while it may sound impressive, what does it even mean? Batman's decision, Bruce's decision, what's the difference?
@tellytubies123 The decision is in the context of the character's relation to each other.
Ra's wasn't some random psychopath in this film. He was a former mention and knew Wayne himself, a dynamic in their relationship that made him far more threatening on a personal level. He knew more than just his identity, Wayne shared some of his lowest points in his life with Ducard. Hence the flashbacks at the beginning of the film.
The end of this film is to contrast the beginning.
@tellytubies123 Bruce foiled Ra's plans once, and saved his life. Ra's came back adamant on retribution.
My interpretation of the way Bruce saw Ra's at this point was that he was beyond "saving"; he was a prisoner of an extremest ideology. The League of Shadow's influence ran much deeper than the criminal court, it controlled the dominant crime mob through fear as well. What would Bruce do if he saved him, it would be ignorant to believe a cell would hold him for long.
@martiallaw09 He would never allow any of them to die. Ever. In Batman: TAS, during Batman and Ra's climactic sword fight at the end of "Demon's Quest", Ra's falls into his own Lazarus Pit, only hanging onto the edge. And guess what Batman tries to do? Yep: save him. And Ra's had just tried to kill BILLIONS of people across the planet. You see a difference between Nolan's Batman and the animated Batman? Then again, they actually pronounce Ra's name correctly in BTAS compared to BB, so.......
@tellytubies123 True, Nolan's Batman in BB seems more ruthless as he burned the monastery & allowed the decoy Ra's to die as well as the real one here. But, looking from a "greater good" perspective, Batman intervened to stop them from killing others so I guess he may have done the right thing, after all. But, in TDK, Maroni does say that "from this height, the fall won't kill me" & Batman says: "I'm counting on it", thus proving he was only intimidating & not killing him. Just another thought.
@at10shun I agree with you, Nolan's Batman IS more ruthless. That's my whole point here. And I have a problem with it, because it isn't true to the character of Batman. Its not that I'm some kind of goody-goody pacifist or anything - I myself sometimes wish he would just put the villain out of their misery - but I respect that Batman's refusal to kill is one of the fundamental principals of the character. Batman would actually go out of his way to save someone who doesn't deserve to live.
@ThePopeye90 Perhaps the most obvious reason is that he was the one who threw The Joker out of one of the top levels of a building. However, in this scene, he technically isn't responsible for what results in Ghul's demise. The rails collapse and he simply chooses to not save him from the impending crash. It's not entirely ethical, but that's another discussion.
Another possible (but less visible) reason that he spares The Joker is to show that he's grown stronger and matured as a hero figure.
the thing i notice now after looking at both begins and TDK is that batman begins feel alot more like a batman movie then the dark knight did. not that i like either that muvh, i am not a fan of batman begins or the dark knight, but looking back, begins had all the elements of a batman movie: the batcave, the "suit up" scene, the car chase with cool music score, the bats, the big finale with the villian at the end, more dramatic. gotham also looked more like gotham. TDK lacked all of this.
@davedirector7 the scores in both the new batamns sucked fucking ass. danny elfman is still the best when it comes to scoreing batman. hanz zimmer and JNH gave probably the most boring score in all of the batman films.
@davedirector7 um say what you want, i am not the only one who thinks that. elfman is widely regarded as the man who created the "batman theme". zimmer is a fucking hack, no idea how to create memorable film music aside from the POTC music. him and his synthesizers got nothin on elfman's genious.
@davedirector7 I agree whole-heartedly. Hans Zimmer produces some of the most beautifully-composed musical scores of our time. I'm pretty sure he did the score for 'Pearl Harbor' too. Now THAT's real music.
I guess there was still enough time for Ra's Al Ghul to escape the train but they made it look like he died in the train genius. I'd love to see Ra's Al Ghul come back in Dark Knight Rises because he's one of my favorite villains.
The twist was that Ducard was Ra's; the other guy who dies in Tibet was just a decoy. You can tell that he's intended to be Ra's simply by the way his face closely resembles that of Ra's in the comics and the cartoons.
I can see very little action in those fight scenes. Perhaps they should zoom out a little and stop changing angles every half a second or so. I'm so confused as to what they were doing during those fights. I feel that they should show all those movements clearly to showcase the fighting skills that the characters have.
@hmmmmm12 I think Ra's represented a greater threat overall. Like in real world terms the Joker is a lone gunmen that threatens hundreds upon maybe even thousands of lives...but Ra's threatens entire CIVILIZATIONS and societies. Ra's actions threaten things on a geopolitical scale, he wants to topple economies for chrissake whereas Joker had more of a single minded mission to prove the same point he tried to prove in Alan Moore's "The Killing Joke". I'd let Dahmer rot in jail but Bin Laden? Nah.
@hmmmmm12 Well, in TDK Batman physically threw Joker off the building, so if he didn't catch him then he would've been the one who killed him. In this movie Ra's al Ghul got on the train and got it moving himself, and Batman just left him there.
WTF! are u an idiot?!?!?!? Liam Neeson played Henri Ducard NOT Ra's al Ghul....you need to change the title of this video so it's correct. Good fight scene but you get thumbs down for getting the title wrong...and I guess only 2 other people realised you did and the other 78 thought you were right as they are equally big idiots lol.
I just noticed. That soundtrack that plays before Batman catches the Joker in The Dark Knight is the same one playing right before Ra's falls to his death.
If ya think about it , Ra's was one seriously badass son of a bitch. He beats the hell out of a guy in full body armor with spikes on his forearms. lol
@Sakor998 I interpreted the League of Shadows' Ra's Al Ghul as an actual position, not just one person. The person Bruce kills in the beggining of the movie is only one of the guys that ascended to the leadership position as Ra's, and as such, the guy in the birthday scene introduced to Bruce might have been the succesor to Ducard if the League of Shadows didn't get taken out by batman. Thats how I saw it.
@SAOrules actually...ra's Al ghul is immortal...he bathes in the fountain of immortality every couple years to return and remain at a certain age...and he doesnt really die as a result of this...the fountain in which he bathes in also has the power to bring someone back to life (as seen in the red mask comics where he revives robin)
@possesorx Well I know in the comic book version of the story ra's is immortal. But as Christopher nolan says, his reboot of batman's story is different, so the characters are not exactly the same. So could Ra's al Ghul be the top leadership position of the League of shadows, and not any one person as I suggested?
@possesorx Yeah but the new Batman movies are not based on the comics or the older ones. There more realistic and darker. Which is fantastic. Sure a atman based on the comics would be cool but I prefer it this way.
@vJordonnHD Yeah they're based on the modern graphical novels, which in turns are a darker more serious slant on the comics :) - if you like the new movies I recommend reading "Knightfall".
@Sakor998 I interpreted the League of Shadows' Ra's Al Ghul as an actual position, not just one person. The person Bruce kills in the beggining of the movie is only one of the guys that ascended to the leadership position as Ra's, and as such, the guy in the birthday scene introduced to Bruce might have been the succesor to Ducard if the League of Shadows didn't get taken out by batman. Thats how I saw it.
I totally disagree, I thought the first half of Batman Begins was utterly brilliant, while the second half was weaker because Nolan (a brilliant director) needed to show more choreography instead of quick camera flashes, in the action scenes.
While, the second half ot the Dark Knight is fucking brilliant. And the first half of The Dark Knight is a little long.
@StarKiller924 Yes, hands-down the best line. That moment alone is better than ANY moment in 'The Dark Knight'. I'm sorry, but I think 'Batman Begins' was TWICE as good as 'The Dark Knight' Even though the scene in 'The Dark Knight' where 'The Joker' does a half-smile after nobody blew up the boat absolutely gives me the chills......just like this scene.
@StarKiller924 For some reason I love this scene more and more every day, and the way Batman flies out of the train is the most epic shit in modern-day cinema. No denying this.
i love this bit, but (i hope no one hates me for this) i think spiderman 2 train scene was way better and that wasn't even the climactic ending of the film. I apologise to batman fans everywhere!!!
batman would not have let ra's al ghul destroy the city even if he had known about what would follow: the joker and Two-face and the slow beginning of what would be the rise of the freaks.
I love how in both movies Batman gets pinned at the end (by Ras and Joker). Then they look up and see that things didn't go their way (train rail being destroyed in begins and people refusing to blow up other boat in dark knight). I thought that was neat how they resemble each other.
i wont kill you.....but i dont have to save you.....EFFIN EPIC...cant wait for the Dark Knight Rises!
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Why is he letting Ra's Al Gul die & in the next movie he saves the Joker in a some what similar situation. I mean Ra's is at least a good guy white good intentions he would deserve to be saved at least fore that where the Joker is a sociopath.
WatchmenDrManhattan 2 weeks ago
I suppose that one of Ra's disciples/henchmen will pick up the carcass and throw it in the Lazarus Pool. Too good of a villain to let that be the end of him.
harbar3000 1 month ago
@harbar3000 Well, in Christopher Nolan's take on the series (the director of the new Batman movies), Ras Al Ghul as an individual is not immortal. Nolan wanted to give the series the most realistic feel as possible. So, in the director's universe, it is the NAME thats immortal, because the name Ras Al Ghul is passed on from person to person, probably from leader to leader. Thus, thats why the legend of Ras Al Ghul being ''immortal'' exists.
elvampe13 1 week ago
@elvampe13 Has Nolan ever explicitly stated that the Lazarus Pits wouldn't be appearing? I remember seeing screenshots with what looked like one (obviously that's total speculation). I know Nolan is making everything very realistic, but I do wonder if the Pits will have a part in the final film...
jacksonwilliams19 1 week ago
Batmans exit from the train, was the same exit I made from my house when I told my wife it's over.
Algonquin81 1 month ago
thumbs up if your watching this after playing arkham city.
Striljr 2 months ago 3
I like trains
EchoBoomer1987 2 months ago
he is gonna need a long bath in a lazarus pit
flynntheman90 2 months ago
the bum at 1:12 saying"nice ride" was a really terrible decision by nolan. why the hell would one want to insert a joke like that into the final fight which is about the excitment of stopping the train on time and the emotional climax of batman fighting his former mentor.
i feel the need to make a fanedit and remove that moment.
Kuner1 3 months ago
''I won't kill you... but I don't have the time to save you''
thenewdarkknight 4 months ago
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thenewdarkknight 4 months ago
I find it just dumb it's called Batman begins and then the dark Knight and now upcoming is the dark Knight rises they should use a different name for the third film instead of adding "rises"
eddieguerrero122 4 months ago
Soo the shadow warriors click the dislike buttons on youtube too keep balance in youtube?
Freakybranstyles 5 months ago
should have been calleed the dark night begins
popasoda1900 5 months ago
@popasoda1900 Why? It was intended to see if it could reboot the Batman franchise, but if it failed they would just call it a prequel to the existing movies, so putting Batman in the start is the only title that makes sense.
MrThePandaman 3 months ago
The student never beats the master..lol
batmanlooksgood 5 months ago
Batman killed him.
EderRedfield 5 months ago
I think Ras was a step-and-above the Joker as a villain in this film. He didn't want to terrorize and control Gotham, he wanted to outright DESTROY it. He had already taken credit for stimulating the depression that had driven the city's lower and middle classes into poverty at Wayne's mansion a decade or two earlier.
I think his decision here to let him die was on a much more personal level.
ContortedWhisk 6 months ago
This was the closest one on one fair fight so far in the series. Most of every other hand to hand fight Batman just dominates everyone other than the Joker when he had his 3 attack dogs and he couldn't see because of the sonar vision.
Batman vs Bane is going to be crazy. Catwoman is just going to get her ass kicked by both lol
Ninety9Soulz 6 months ago 18
@Ninety9Soulz oh my god i can not freaking wait for batman vs bane it is going to rule!!!!!!!
ninjabastard2 3 months ago
@Ninety9Soulz
Well it's how it should be right? Batman is a dude who has dedicated his life to crime fighting, so he better be good at it.
fantasticmoose 1 month ago
There's no way batman could've saved him. He needed both his arms to parachute out the train which basically scratched out the idea of saving Ras. Plus it was more badass to watch Ras to face death with absolute acceptance rather than have batman carry him out like a pussy
MegaAntman22 6 months ago
tellytubies123 Yeah dude I'm not talking about Ras from the comics. I'm speaking of the charact that is portrayed in this movie who seems to rather face death than face humility.
MegaAntman22 6 months ago
i thought batman had a no-kill policy lol
aml2219314 6 months ago
how the hell did that train break into two after batman threw that bat shuriken out the window??
RSixBoy 6 months ago
@RSixBoy It was a pocket explosive.
patriotrower 6 months ago
ooh man you cut the explosion of the train..
Krivcsa 6 months ago
Ras will be in the dark knight rises. Mind your surroundings
Slubejob21 7 months ago 23
@Slubejob21 i hope so nd tali al ghul supposed to be in it too
qdogg0902 7 months ago
@Slubejob21 Yeah, but it's going to be through flashbacks.
AnotherMasterMind 6 months ago
@Slubejob21 Dude! dont give any spoilers!
batmanlooksgood 5 months ago
@Slubejob21
He'll be back with the A-Team!
EchoBoomer1987 2 months ago
I enjoy this movie because it's not the typical action hero movie where he dodges every bullet and punch and beats the hell out of the villain. He gets his ass whooped, but takes it like a man!
Netlocd 7 months ago
He immortal because someone takes the title. He is a legend. Ras told Bruce to become a legend and live forever. Batman Beyond anyone? What happened? He got old but found a replacement so Batman is immortal. Someone will alway wear the suit.
Darkmajesty22 8 months ago
As Batman leaves the train, his eyes glow white...what an awesome touch.
DAZing23 8 months ago
Idiots. Ras Al Ghul is not a person but a title. How do you think he burned Rome to the ground and put disease rats on ships??? A person would have died of old age. Ghul a legend He dies another takes the title Ras Al Ghul.
Darkmajesty22 8 months ago
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mikehonchobumcheeks 8 months ago
What was in those batarangs?
IvorTheE 8 months ago
Ra´s didn´t die...I´m SURE!
TheBalefan 8 months ago
Love you Liam but I hope Christian kicks yo ass. :D
myjarofhearts 8 months ago
Oh hey Liam. <3
myjarofhearts 8 months ago
For Batman to not save Ra's is very uncharacteristic to him; Batman always saves the bad guy, to the point where it becomes annoying. I am really unhappy about how ruthless Nolan portrayed his Batman; even when he directs a gun at some thug's foot, and in TDK when he throws Maroni out the window. Its wrong, its not like the character at all.
tellytubies123 8 months ago
@tellytubies123 Batman could of killed the joker in TDK during the building scene, HIT ME scene, and after rachael's death O.O he saved the joker all the time, joker said it himself " If you keep letting me live like this, i can see the both of us doing this forever and ever"! . The Dark Knight did a very good job in potraying The Joker, but never mentioned it's origin. It's origin is pratically a normal guy falling in a pile of messed up water, and became lunatic. Batman felt guilty of that.
K3eOne 8 months ago
@tellytubies123 And Ra's death is pretty unknown, people said he jumped off the train during it's fall but i cant seem too notice it, like he probably broke a leg or two and can be healed in his green holy water kept under his mansion. Or what Batman meant by I dont have too save you meaning Ra's can still find a way out ,and left with injuries which can be healed, better then being killed so he wont be able too heal himself from death nor injuries, ra's holy water can heal death just so u know.
K3eOne 8 months ago
@K3eOne What I'm talking about is Batman as a character though. As a character, he always saves the bad guy, to the point where it is almost an iconic visual; Batman pulling the Joker up from a long fall, etc. Its one of those things about Batman. And Nolan acknowledges it in the next movie, TDK; rather than allow the Joker to fall to his death, he saves him. So why would he allow Ra's to die? And I don't think Ra's could just jump off the train at its current speed + its height above ground.
tellytubies123 8 months ago
@tellytubies123
Because if joker died it would have been BATMANs fault because he throws him. When RA's "died" it wasn't batmans fault because he didn't kill him, he just didn't save him.
ObliviuxProductions 6 months ago
@ObliviuxProductions Have you been paying attention to what I'm saying? It doesn't matter whose fault it is - Batman always saves the villain if he can. Always. I can't stress that enough. Its one of the fundamental traits of the character - his value on human life, no matter whose life it is. It can get annoying, but that's what makes Batman such a great character. He never lets the bad guy die. Have you read the comics, or even watched the animated series? You should go do that first.
tellytubies123 6 months ago
@tellytubies123
Yeah I watched it them and read them when I was 11.
Not really a big part of my life. Perhaps Ra's pushed batmans limits when he burned his whole house down and his parents where assassinated by his orders.
ObliviuxProductions 6 months ago
@ObliviuxProductions Batman's limits could never be pushed to kill. Batman would never kill. It's pretty easy to understand.
And what do the comics being "not really a big part of my life" have to do with anything? They're there to enforce our arguments. We're talking about Batman here. When people need references for a college assignment, they use databases. Does that mean databases have to be a big part of someone's life?
tellytubies123 6 months ago
@tellytubies123
But he didn't kill him.
On top of that,
nobody knows if Ra's lived or died.
ObliviuxProductions 6 months ago
@ObliviuxProductions He allowed Ra's to die. Batman would never do that; he always goes out of his way to save the bad guy, even at his own risk. And whether or not Ra's actually lived or died is besides the point.
tellytubies123 6 months ago
@tellytubies123 You are right batman does go out of his own way to save the bad guy. However in this particular situation batman had to choose between Ra's or Gotham. So I don't get why this makes batman more ruthless. The only way to stop the train was to destroy the bridge therefore sending the train into free fall. What did you want batman to do grab Ra's and fly out the train. I doubt Ra's would want that. He would rather die then fail his mission. This makes batman more of hero
MegaAntman22 6 months ago
@MegaAntman22 I'm sorry, but you're statements are wrong. First, Batman did NOT need to choose between Ra's or Gotham. At that point, he had already won. Gordon had destroyed the bridge and Batman had jammed the controls of the train. It was over. Batman had time to both save Ra's and grab himself a Bat-milkshake at Wendy's too. Second, you said "What did you want Batman to do grab Ra's and fly out the train." Um .... we ARE talking about BATMAN, right? The guy with grapple guns and wings?
tellytubies123 6 months ago
@MegaAntman22 Third, you said that Ra's would rather die than fail his mission. Now, if you knew ANYTHING about the character outside of the movie, you would know that Ra's fears death, and always aims to cheat it. He would rather fail his mission than die. In the comics, there are many instances of him abandoning his schemes to escape Batman. Fourth and most importantly of all - Batman would NEVER allow anyone to die if he could help it. Never, ever, EVER. Its very easy to understand.
tellytubies123 6 months ago
@MegaAntman22 Exactly , Bruce disagreed with Ducard/Ra`s and was disgusted and betrayed by his Methods and Nihilistic Idealogy ! However , he STILL respected him as A Friend and Mentor ! He gave Ra`s A Choice : Death or Humiliation and THIS Particular Version of Ra`s chose Death !
1993MovieMan 6 months ago
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ContortedWhisk 6 months ago
@ContortedWhisk "Every superhero breaks their rules. It just happens. I'm sure if you pressed hard enough, you could find a comic where Batman did kill someone."
Wrong.
"Stop thinking of it as "Batman's decision" and think of it as "Bruce's Decision"."
There is no Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne is a performance, a mask. There's only Batman.And anyway, your comment was very highfalutin; while it may sound impressive, what does it even mean? Batman's decision, Bruce's decision, what's the difference?
tellytubies123 6 months ago
@tellytubies123 The decision is in the context of the character's relation to each other.
Ra's wasn't some random psychopath in this film. He was a former mention and knew Wayne himself, a dynamic in their relationship that made him far more threatening on a personal level. He knew more than just his identity, Wayne shared some of his lowest points in his life with Ducard. Hence the flashbacks at the beginning of the film.
The end of this film is to contrast the beginning.
ContortedWhisk 6 months ago
@tellytubies123 Bruce foiled Ra's plans once, and saved his life. Ra's came back adamant on retribution.
My interpretation of the way Bruce saw Ra's at this point was that he was beyond "saving"; he was a prisoner of an extremest ideology. The League of Shadow's influence ran much deeper than the criminal court, it controlled the dominant crime mob through fear as well. What would Bruce do if he saved him, it would be ignorant to believe a cell would hold him for long.
ContortedWhisk 6 months ago
@tellytubies123 He won't kill the bad guys but he does tend to do pretty harsh things to them in most media.
martiallaw09 7 months ago
@martiallaw09 He would never allow any of them to die. Ever. In Batman: TAS, during Batman and Ra's climactic sword fight at the end of "Demon's Quest", Ra's falls into his own Lazarus Pit, only hanging onto the edge. And guess what Batman tries to do? Yep: save him. And Ra's had just tried to kill BILLIONS of people across the planet. You see a difference between Nolan's Batman and the animated Batman? Then again, they actually pronounce Ra's name correctly in BTAS compared to BB, so.......
tellytubies123 7 months ago
@tellytubies123 True, Nolan's Batman in BB seems more ruthless as he burned the monastery & allowed the decoy Ra's to die as well as the real one here. But, looking from a "greater good" perspective, Batman intervened to stop them from killing others so I guess he may have done the right thing, after all. But, in TDK, Maroni does say that "from this height, the fall won't kill me" & Batman says: "I'm counting on it", thus proving he was only intimidating & not killing him. Just another thought.
at10shun 6 months ago
@at10shun I agree with you, Nolan's Batman IS more ruthless. That's my whole point here. And I have a problem with it, because it isn't true to the character of Batman. Its not that I'm some kind of goody-goody pacifist or anything - I myself sometimes wish he would just put the villain out of their misery - but I respect that Batman's refusal to kill is one of the fundamental principals of the character. Batman would actually go out of his way to save someone who doesn't deserve to live.
tellytubies123 6 months ago
Not even Ra´s is disliking this video!
narza001 9 months ago
why didnt he "just not safe" the joker aswell
ThePopeye90 9 months ago
@ThePopeye90 Perhaps the most obvious reason is that he was the one who threw The Joker out of one of the top levels of a building. However, in this scene, he technically isn't responsible for what results in Ghul's demise. The rails collapse and he simply chooses to not save him from the impending crash. It's not entirely ethical, but that's another discussion.
Another possible (but less visible) reason that he spares The Joker is to show that he's grown stronger and matured as a hero figure.
llXanatoll 8 months ago
@llXanatoll damn those are nice ways to look at it
ThePopeye90 8 months ago
Zimmer portrayed the conveying emotions of tdk with a great skill that no one showed.
MrDrPatrick117 9 months ago
Man that look of determination at :05 is no joke.
That just says "I'm not fooling around!"
ryuencrash 10 months ago
the thing i notice now after looking at both begins and TDK is that batman begins feel alot more like a batman movie then the dark knight did. not that i like either that muvh, i am not a fan of batman begins or the dark knight, but looking back, begins had all the elements of a batman movie: the batcave, the "suit up" scene, the car chase with cool music score, the bats, the big finale with the villian at the end, more dramatic. gotham also looked more like gotham. TDK lacked all of this.
burtonrules123 10 months ago
Ra's Al Ghul isn't really like a villain
wafflemen97 10 months ago
@wafflemen97
He's always been more of an anti-hero than a villain.
rencrow 9 months ago
Can we not only give credit to Hans Zimmer but James Newton Howard as well? Who helped create the scores for Dark knight and Batman Begins????
davedirector7 10 months ago
@davedirector7 the scores in both the new batamns sucked fucking ass. danny elfman is still the best when it comes to scoreing batman. hanz zimmer and JNH gave probably the most boring score in all of the batman films.
burtonrules123 10 months ago
@burtonrules123 yeah um ur opinion dude. Also they are not boring at all. Danny Elfman compared to Hans Zimmer, Zimmer all the way.
davedirector7 10 months ago
@davedirector7 um say what you want, i am not the only one who thinks that. elfman is widely regarded as the man who created the "batman theme". zimmer is a fucking hack, no idea how to create memorable film music aside from the POTC music. him and his synthesizers got nothin on elfman's genious.
burtonrules123 10 months ago
@burtonrules123 you are gravely mistaken sir. As far as I see it Zimmer makes memorable film music: "the Lion King" "Inception" "POTC"
Elfman's score is great i must admit, but Elfman has not been doing so well nowadays. Zimmer has taken over.
davedirector7 10 months ago
@davedirector7 I agree whole-heartedly. Hans Zimmer produces some of the most beautifully-composed musical scores of our time. I'm pretty sure he did the score for 'Pearl Harbor' too. Now THAT's real music.
EventuallyWeMerge 9 months ago
Gary Oldman totally sells me on his "everyday man trying to do things right" Jim Gordon so well, esspecially when he cheers.
Totally amazing to think that this is the same man who played Drexyl
triphendrix 10 months ago
I guess there was still enough time for Ra's Al Ghul to escape the train but they made it look like he died in the train genius. I'd love to see Ra's Al Ghul come back in Dark Knight Rises because he's one of my favorite villains.
LiquidSnake690 10 months ago
he doesn't die check the comics in them they say he's immortal cus sum-thing to do with Lazarus pits or sumthing :P
pyrosparker1 10 months ago
hans zimmmmmer epic
sumaridesfree 11 months ago
@dissention117
The twist was that Ducard was Ra's; the other guy who dies in Tibet was just a decoy. You can tell that he's intended to be Ra's simply by the way his face closely resembles that of Ra's in the comics and the cartoons.
Scrummy64 11 months ago
by the power of RA
TheGLOKURiver 11 months ago
Batman Begins is totaly much better than that disneys atlantis shit is
92af 11 months ago
@Itkirby1989
Henri Ducard is Ra's al Ghul. If you couldn't work that out, then you should really watch the film again...
Don't start criticising the one who's giving us the video for something that isn't even valid.
Scrummy64 11 months ago
@Scrummy64 wow, u really didn't understand the twist at bruce's party?
dissention117 11 months ago
@LordVenom27
Have to agree! All Batman's villains are so much better than the Marvel villains, or other DC ones...
And it definitely helps that Nolan's films pick the truly great ones, like Ra's and the Joker, and give them amazing actors, Liam Neeson in this case.
We've got Tom Hardy as Bane in next year's film, as well as another more important villain, I would imagine! Can't wait!
Scrummy64 11 months ago
the thing i love about batman
he has no super powers
but has the most scary villains
like croc and scarecrow and the joker
no super hero has villains like batman
LordVenom27 11 months ago
I can see very little action in those fight scenes. Perhaps they should zoom out a little and stop changing angles every half a second or so. I'm so confused as to what they were doing during those fights. I feel that they should show all those movements clearly to showcase the fighting skills that the characters have.
s0fw0n 11 months ago
batman: i dont want to kill you! *throws batarang* but i dont have to save you. *flies*
bad guy: -_- *dies*
my fav part.. i keep on saying that phrase
BeholdTheSkullKing 11 months ago
To the Lazarus Pits for him. Ha just kidding. That motherfucker's dead!
mugatu5000 11 months ago
I can't help but feel reminded of Qui-Gon in scenes involving Ra's al Ghul...
neoYTPism 1 year ago
he doesn't have to save this guy but he had to save the joker? just sayin'
hmmmmm12 1 year ago
@hmmmmm12 I think Ra's represented a greater threat overall. Like in real world terms the Joker is a lone gunmen that threatens hundreds upon maybe even thousands of lives...but Ra's threatens entire CIVILIZATIONS and societies. Ra's actions threaten things on a geopolitical scale, he wants to topple economies for chrissake whereas Joker had more of a single minded mission to prove the same point he tried to prove in Alan Moore's "The Killing Joke". I'd let Dahmer rot in jail but Bin Laden? Nah.
laudanum09 1 year ago
@hmmmmm12 Well, in TDK Batman physically threw Joker off the building, so if he didn't catch him then he would've been the one who killed him. In this movie Ra's al Ghul got on the train and got it moving himself, and Batman just left him there.
ElmoPansy 1 year ago
2:35-2:41 is the most epic shit i've seen in a movie
jghusson 1 year ago
Such fake looking FX. Computer effects/CGI are nothing but fake-looking cartoons.
At least this film was a bit better than the boring and over-hyped Dark Knight.
greenblue1979 1 year ago
@greenblue1979 this movie was 100X better. TDK only got so much hype cuz of heath ledger dieing
xxwes997xx 1 year ago
@xxwes997xx TDK was a fantastic movie and deserved all the hype it recieved. However this movie was still better in my opinion.
bloodmercs 1 year ago
@bloodmercs i think we know thats bullshit
Rorschachxx1985 11 months ago
Ducard*
SirTim123 1 year ago
He said he was henry ducats but later in the film when the league of shadows burns down Wayne manor u find out he Is Ra's
SirTim123 1 year ago
:04-:10 That just says "Let's Dance, Jedi."
fortminor85 1 year ago
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WTF! are u an idiot?!?!?!? Liam Neeson played Henri Ducard NOT Ra's al Ghul....you need to change the title of this video so it's correct. Good fight scene but you get thumbs down for getting the title wrong...and I guess only 2 other people realised you did and the other 78 thought you were right as they are equally big idiots lol.
ltkirby1989 1 year ago
violent film for a 12 should be a 15
althefunk 1 year ago
Notice how Batman gets pinned in both Batman Begins and the Dark Knight and then manages to flip them over after a nice little chat
THEDARKKNlGHT1939 1 year ago
I just noticed. That soundtrack that plays before Batman catches the Joker in The Dark Knight is the same one playing right before Ra's falls to his death.
ThatGuyAdrianLF 1 year ago
bigfatnerd123 some black guy said it's go time muthafucka behind me to when ras agoul said you never seem to learn lolz
JamesB12003 1 year ago
Im not gonna kill you......... But i dont have to save you. Such badass.
Thejumanji300 1 year ago
They ought to bring Ducard back for the 3rd Batman movie... and call him Ra's al GHOUL.
neoYTPism 1 year ago
Anybody notice that it's almost the same tunes in the dark knight when the joker falls off the building?
neoshock 1 year ago 11
@neoshock Yeah, Nolan does that on purpose. It helps with continuity. It makes you feel like you're watching a sequel.
EventuallyWeMerge 1 year ago
@EventuallyWeMerge. Both movies felt like bookends. Crowe's Robin Hood, despite me watching the director's cut, still felt half finished.
1977Melville 1 year ago
@Bboiblack It's just you..
Spideyfan276653 1 year ago
If ya think about it , Ra's was one seriously badass son of a bitch. He beats the hell out of a guy in full body armor with spikes on his forearms. lol
Brathir 1 year ago 20
@Brathir Batman's Mentor - enough said.
Xyrgra 1 year ago
@Brathir And imagine Bane doing that. Batman will surely have his back broken in TDKR.
FullmetalZergRush01 9 months ago
@Brathir
The guy taught batman everything he knows. What did you expect?
rencrow 9 months ago
@Brathir maybe because he`s the one who trained batman and knows more ?
1LanieBug1 8 months ago
is it just me or is the action in this weak
Bboiblack 1 year ago
Is it just me? or is the way Batman exits the train epic?
rydaddyops910 1 year ago
@rydaddyops910 Yep. It's beyond epic. It actually motivates me to be a better person.
EventuallyWeMerge 1 year ago
When saying his l;ast words to Ra's I think it would of been better if his mask was off
floooooooooooooooood 1 year ago
I liked this batsuit so much better....
Nerevar1990 1 year ago
IF YOU DIDNT NOTICE,BATMAN SMASHES THE WINDOW ACROSS FROM HIM AND LEAVES FROM THE BACK RA'S ISNT DEAD.!!!!!!!!!!!!
MossyKong 1 year ago
@MossyKong yeah thats a major flaw in the movie it doesnt make any sense unless you look at it that way
Camthemovieman1 1 year ago
@MossyKong I think he smashed the window to cause a gale of air to rush into the train so that he could have lift for his cape.
Ronnock 1 year ago
@Ronnock With what he says i sorta doubt it,just my opinion though man :D
MossyKong 1 year ago
I think we'll see Talia in the 3rd one
akumatekkusu666 1 year ago
that is ra's al ghul didnt you pay attention at Bruce's birthday how he admits he tricked Bruce originally to conceal his true identity
layzchips71 1 year ago 2
Great fight.
flaglmr18 1 year ago
Thats not Ras Al Ghul.Have you actuly whatched the dam movie!
cameranzo1 1 year ago
@cameranzo1 have you? You should pay more attention dude
harrybo743 1 year ago
@cameranzo1 That IS Ras Al Ghul... Did YOU actually watch the damn movie? The birthday scene explained everything.
Sakor998 1 year ago
@Sakor998 I interpreted the League of Shadows' Ra's Al Ghul as an actual position, not just one person. The person Bruce kills in the beggining of the movie is only one of the guys that ascended to the leadership position as Ra's, and as such, the guy in the birthday scene introduced to Bruce might have been the succesor to Ducard if the League of Shadows didn't get taken out by batman. Thats how I saw it.
SAOrules 1 year ago
@SAOrules actually...ra's Al ghul is immortal...he bathes in the fountain of immortality every couple years to return and remain at a certain age...and he doesnt really die as a result of this...the fountain in which he bathes in also has the power to bring someone back to life (as seen in the red mask comics where he revives robin)
possesorx 1 year ago
@possesorx Well I know in the comic book version of the story ra's is immortal. But as Christopher nolan says, his reboot of batman's story is different, so the characters are not exactly the same. So could Ra's al Ghul be the top leadership position of the League of shadows, and not any one person as I suggested?
SAOrules 1 year ago
@possesorx Yeah but the new Batman movies are not based on the comics or the older ones. There more realistic and darker. Which is fantastic. Sure a atman based on the comics would be cool but I prefer it this way.
vJordonnHD 1 year ago
@vJordonnHD Yeah they're based on the modern graphical novels, which in turns are a darker more serious slant on the comics :) - if you like the new movies I recommend reading "Knightfall".
Xyrgra 1 year ago
@Sakor998 I interpreted the League of Shadows' Ra's Al Ghul as an actual position, not just one person. The person Bruce kills in the beggining of the movie is only one of the guys that ascended to the leadership position as Ra's, and as such, the guy in the birthday scene introduced to Bruce might have been the succesor to Ducard if the League of Shadows didn't get taken out by batman. Thats how I saw it.
SAOrules 1 year ago
@SAOrules
just the way its written
Ra's
Al Ghul
pelzwik3leg 1 year ago
I Love this Movie! XD
DaddlerTheDalek 1 year ago
look how epically thay stare at each other, EVEYRONE I just made a facebook page called "Staring at someone epically before fighting" join it
zombiekiller180 1 year ago
James Gordon 2:01 lol
Rubenvf123498 1 year ago
great movie, only problem, TOO MUCH SHAKINESS DURING FIGHT SCENES INVOLVING BATMAN
roboguy75 1 year ago
"I won't kill you.....But I don't have to save you."
xmendude 1 year ago 5
I totally disagree, I thought the first half of Batman Begins was utterly brilliant, while the second half was weaker because Nolan (a brilliant director) needed to show more choreography instead of quick camera flashes, in the action scenes.
While, the second half ot the Dark Knight is fucking brilliant. And the first half of The Dark Knight is a little long.
EventuallyWeMerge 1 year ago
if u pause at 2:38 it is SO EPIC
TheAxeMan12321 1 year ago 3
i would choose watch this over the dark knight....the dark knight was great but was just so long
peteluvsmoviebuzz 1 year ago 3
@peteluvsmoviebuzz this is only 20 minutes longer
harrybo743 1 year ago
is that score at the end the same when Joker falls of the roof at the end of TDK? i like it lool
TheRenegade1990 1 year ago
ya it is...
JB0523 1 year ago
i honestly didn't like Batman Begins. It's soooooo overrated. Dark Knight was great though.
demonkillerxlsv2 1 year ago
I Wont Kill You,But I Dont Have To Save You Best Line In Movie!
StarKiller924 1 year ago 36
I liked the 'how about this?!" line too, just so intense and filled with so much anger.
darky5k1987 1 year ago
@darky5k1987 Love this line too lol purposely youtubed this for that part.. it was intense how he said that part
Raawrlol 7 months ago
@StarKiller924 Yes, hands-down the best line. That moment alone is better than ANY moment in 'The Dark Knight'. I'm sorry, but I think 'Batman Begins' was TWICE as good as 'The Dark Knight' Even though the scene in 'The Dark Knight' where 'The Joker' does a half-smile after nobody blew up the boat absolutely gives me the chills......just like this scene.
EventuallyWeMerge 1 year ago
@StarKiller924 For some reason I love this scene more and more every day, and the way Batman flies out of the train is the most epic shit in modern-day cinema. No denying this.
EventuallyWeMerge 1 year ago
@StarKiller924 yeah that's epic
weedfromXXth 1 year ago
I liked this movie even better than The Dark Knight.
Legumaniac 1 year ago 2
I liked The Dark Knight better - but this was an ok movie. The Dark Knight had a better first half. But Batman Begins had a better second half.
Gambit1997 1 year ago 2
I can agree with that.
Legumaniac 1 year ago
i love this movie
wachmenfan101 1 year ago 2
how can batman be effected by those punches when he's wearing a bulky piece of armour? good scene though.
KeshK123 1 year ago 2
"I wont kill you but, I don't have to save you." EPIC!
ModernDayReview88 1 year ago 3
'familiar, do you have anything new?'
"HOW BOUT THIS!"
LEGNEDARY!
jdoug0234 2 years ago
beautfuil punch at 1:04
anjet148 2 years ago
i love this bit, but (i hope no one hates me for this) i think spiderman 2 train scene was way better and that wasn't even the climactic ending of the film. I apologise to batman fans everywhere!!!
dawatcher88 2 years ago
its kool im a die hard batman fan and i respect your opion
anjet148 2 years ago
This part was sad
raymondleeleggs 2 years ago
batman would not have let ra's al ghul destroy the city even if he had known about what would follow: the joker and Two-face and the slow beginning of what would be the rise of the freaks.
Regenmacher175 2 years ago
i loved that part he riped the blade apart with his arm blades. that and the monolouge he said before he left ra to die
Ziggman2g 2 years ago
I love how in both movies Batman gets pinned at the end (by Ras and Joker). Then they look up and see that things didn't go their way (train rail being destroyed in begins and people refusing to blow up other boat in dark knight). I thought that was neat how they resemble each other.
rcw0388 2 years ago 10
whats the name of the piece of music when babtman flies out of train? i have the ost but cant seem to find it :S.
gurpsk 2 years ago