@CzarDodon I know what she means, Mackerras was an important editor (among others, one should not forget the contributions of Rafael Kubelík!) who helped restore Janáček's original ideas to his printed scores, but I always found his performances of the music stiff and rather inexpressive.
@Nachtmarchen Ok he may have been more controlled or objective, as compared to some of the more visceral Czech conductors, Gregor and Neumann also come to mind, but how you can read all of that into the adjective "thin" is beyond me. BTW I would put Ancerl in the more objective class. In any case, here Mackerras is playing the 'original' version of this score which is rythmically more complex than the version Kubelik recorded. The only other version I know is Boulez and he's colder.
@CzarDodon I did not mean to imply Kubeík edited or recorded the original version of the Mass, but as far as I know he did edit the first edition of "From the House of the Dead" that did away with the changes introduced by Bakala and Chlubna after Janáček's death. I've heard both officially released Mackerras recordings of the original version, he is not objective, he is timid - the added rhythmic complexity only makes the glibness of the performance all the more frustrating.
@Nachtmarchen Frankly I find your dislike of Mackerras difficult to understand, and to describe his approach as glib to me seems more like some sort of hidden agenda, I find his performances quite sincere and certainly not lacking in energy. The only thing I sometimes miss is an added idiomatic freedom that the Czech conductors have which, often, translates into a more relaxed type of phrasing. I guess we'll have to agree to differ
@CzarDodon I do not loathe the man, nor do I doubt the sincerity of the love he expressed for this music - the issues I have with his rigid tempi and understated rhythm are not exclusive to his recordings of Janáček.
I can't believe that there isn't ,ore comments than just four! This song is just as worthy as Can-Can or Mahler's Fifth, or anything else!
AnAmericanComposer 2 years ago
This is a pretty thin recording
kelgirl93274 2 years ago
what do you mean by thin?
CzarDodon 2 years ago
It's not very full sounding. I have a recording of the Intrada I forget who by, but It just sounds so full and powerful and not as chaotic as this.
kelgirl93274 2 years ago
@CzarDodon I know what she means, Mackerras was an important editor (among others, one should not forget the contributions of Rafael Kubelík!) who helped restore Janáček's original ideas to his printed scores, but I always found his performances of the music stiff and rather inexpressive.
Nachtmarchen 1 year ago
@Nachtmarchen Ok he may have been more controlled or objective, as compared to some of the more visceral Czech conductors, Gregor and Neumann also come to mind, but how you can read all of that into the adjective "thin" is beyond me. BTW I would put Ancerl in the more objective class. In any case, here Mackerras is playing the 'original' version of this score which is rythmically more complex than the version Kubelik recorded. The only other version I know is Boulez and he's colder.
CzarDodon 1 year ago
@CzarDodon I did not mean to imply Kubeík edited or recorded the original version of the Mass, but as far as I know he did edit the first edition of "From the House of the Dead" that did away with the changes introduced by Bakala and Chlubna after Janáček's death. I've heard both officially released Mackerras recordings of the original version, he is not objective, he is timid - the added rhythmic complexity only makes the glibness of the performance all the more frustrating.
Nachtmarchen 1 year ago
@Nachtmarchen Frankly I find your dislike of Mackerras difficult to understand, and to describe his approach as glib to me seems more like some sort of hidden agenda, I find his performances quite sincere and certainly not lacking in energy. The only thing I sometimes miss is an added idiomatic freedom that the Czech conductors have which, often, translates into a more relaxed type of phrasing. I guess we'll have to agree to differ
CzarDodon 1 year ago
@CzarDodon I do not loathe the man, nor do I doubt the sincerity of the love he expressed for this music - the issues I have with his rigid tempi and understated rhythm are not exclusive to his recordings of Janáček.
Nachtmarchen 1 year ago
@Nachtmarchen as I said, we'll have to agree to differ
CzarDodon 11 months ago
Don't you just love the way the timpani has the last word in all of this?
moosatious 3 years ago 2
of course yes!
WagnerMahler 3 years ago