@Drbungholio actually if you unite all the social programs...social security, medicare, medicaid, healthcare,education etc...you would see that it was the social spending that got us in to trillions of dollars in debt...even though war cost money, I see that the government overspent too much ad used the wars to clean their behinds for the problems at home...OVERSPENDING!
capitalism does work, but is also has a peak on how beneficial it is for society. If a man creates a business, he also creates jobs for others and he creates useful products for society but those are just byproducts. when the ultimate goal is capital or profit, everything else is simply an obstacle of profit. that is where you start seeing the decline in capitalism's benefits, when they no longer pay decent wages or create jobs because it hurts maximum profits
And how helpful will these cheaper products be when there are no jobs. Also many jobs are not replaced by machines but by cheaper workers. So while this is all fine why should we support these large businesses when they don't return the favor.
But i do agree with you that jobs being replaced by new technology is a beneficial process and should occur in order for a nation to continue progressing forward
Yea but I'm also saying is that there is never anything wrong in businessmen being "too greedy". They can't screw the workers by being too greedy (unless you want to talk about safety regulation but that's another topic), because workers produce the money for business men.
They can't "not hire" people, because they will hire as many for as little money as it takes to make the service available for us.
That's why things are cheap. It's good for everyone.
would you say turning a blind eye towards Indian children making toys for 60 cents a day just to earn a slightly higher profit being a little "too greedy". workers do produce the money for businessmen, but can you honestly say that they are getting their fair return. Now of course a businessman has to make profit, its not a choice, but that is why capitalism is flawed as a whole. a profit has to be made either by overcharging for a product or underpaying those making the product.
@neverfailyouagain Except you fail to note that while they're making toys for 60 cents, without that employment they'd be doing very hard labor in fields for 30 cents. Prosperity isn't instant, it doesn't come because you wish it to come and it certainly doesn't come from foreign aid, as we've seen throughout the late 20th century and up until today. It comes from people investing to build the infrastructure today to provide the means to make a better tomorrow.
Friedman's correct, the record of history is absolutely clear but, stupid liberals don't learn from history, they feel their way through life. They, and they alone, can see the misery and inequality in the world and set forth to remedy it with other peoples' money and labor. And, when it inevitably fails, they demand more of what didn't work.
The way they perpetuate this path of failure and, their own power, is by convincing stupid people to follow them, using class warfare and empty promises.
I think the history of capitalism speaks for itself. Capitalist America gave the most people the greatest standard of living the world has ever seen.
I think the history of socialism speaks for itself. Look around the world. Look what government intervention and socialist schemes and promises have done to our financial, commercial, and medical industries. We are in debt that we can never repay. We are losing our freedoms. Europe's in the same boat, or worse.
Brithis education may be at a low standard now - but I assure you it will still beat the situation here. Regarding immigrants and life expectancy, it's not that simple. If you look at state by state life expetancies. Even state that have a low popultation of hispanics they still have a lower life expectancy. Then other groups, such as blacks, have a lower life expectancy than hispanics - and they are a small percentage of the overall US population.
@HughStirling I understand your point. However, there some other interesting facts. I've studied the social welfare systems of different European countries. Many of them seem to go too far. However, that said it is interesting to note that every EU country has a higher life expectancy than the US, most have better educational systems as well.
@HughStirling Tyrannts from the extreme fringes f the right have also enslaved and slaughtered milions. Go to far to the left or right and you end up at the same place: tyranny.
While what Friedman says is very convincing if i look at reality i see differently. What i see is it that the Nordic countries of Europe are off much better then we are if the capitalist system is the best then why are they so successful and us so behind? Could someone explain that to me.
can you explain how they are worse off then we are? i believe they have higher life expectancy, better education, lower death rates due to handguns we have 10,000 while the UK has around 200 any many more. And they are inferior to us?
@TheRedWolf080 Well, first, in the swan song of the "third way" socialism, Sweden, the average income for citizens is lower than African-Americans in the United States (our poorest demographic group), so not only do they have sky high taxes to pay for their wondrous wealth redistribution, they destroy their capital structure in the process and make everyone poorer as a result (seems awfully similar to what happened in Soviet Russia).
@SpideyNinety08 concerning your first post so you say that income is how we should base our prosperity off of? The richer we are the better we are? i think that is a silly statement because money does equal prosperity.
your second post about life expectancy did not address my question. Higher life expectancy is GOOD and i rather have that then a few extra dollars in my pocket. The fact that Cuba has a higher life expectancy then America does is something we should address (continued)
@TheRedWolf080 No, measurements of income are a way to measure standard of living. Third world countries don't just suck to live in because they have megalomaniacal dictators, but also because they're poor as dirt, they don't have any sustained capital base for generations to build upon and increase their standard of living. In a sense, yes, the richer you are the better you are, but not in the derogatory sense that you said it. (cont.)
@TheRedWolf080 (cont) If you have more income than that means you produced more stuff that people are willing to buy (whether it is a physical good or not is irrelevant). If everyone's real income is rising, than that means that there is a growth in supply which increases the standard of living of everyone. Money does not equal prosperity, but, absent gov't manipulation and inflation, the only way to get more income is to supply stuff people want, thus increasing the standard of living. (cont)
@TheRedWolf080 And I don't know enough of the specific about life expectancy to tell you why other countries are living longer, I know that government ruining health care the way its done since the 60s hasn't helped our statistics. Handgun statistics by and large show that in areas where there are liberalized hand gun laws there is a drop in gun violence (just look at DC pre and post legalization). And Friedman never said America is best, don't fall prey to assuming that (cont...)
@TheRedWolf080 (...cont) America is synonymous with a free market style of capitalism. He never said that and very often espoused Hong Kong as the best existing example of of a free market economy (while admitting that even it wasn't ideal). America is a crony-capitalist country, not a free market.
I agree with your statement that standard of living should be our focus not the money we earn. That is true prosperity (which Europe has higher then we do). While i understand that it is discouraging to see our government run health care fail we should not say it fails everywhere =. (In your defense though many health care systems in Europe are private but profit is outlawed long story i wont explain that unless i have to. (continued)
@TheRedWolf080 Actually, even though I don't agree with statistics that try and measure unmeasurable things like "happiness" or "utility", the standard measurement of a standard of living has only one European country above us: Norway (and since the measurement uses GDP numbers in it, that is most likely because of Norway being the world's 2nd biggest exporter of oil per capita).
Hmmm i guess one could argue about the idea of "happiness" being unmeasurable, i understand yet respectfully disagree with you on that point. However I think it is fair to say that GDP does not truly represent the superiority of a nation (not any one statistic can). It see that our arguments are on different levels mine is more idealistic concerning abstract ideas (happiness, satisfaction) you are more realist arguing numbers that can be measured. (GDP, production (continued)
I think that it is a mixture of these two ideas is the best way to judge. It is foolish to think that only internal factors/ external factors determines success. Knowing that fact i think it is best if we agree to disagree.( in all honesty i have forgotten why i posted in the first place). Shall we call this a draw?
You are correct i did assume incorrectly about America and the free market system I apologize for that. And i agree that America is no longer capitalist in economics and republic in politics now we are a plutocracy and a oligarchy in my opinion.
@TheRedWolf080 (continued) I won't even comment on life expectancy since Cuba has a higher life expectancy than us and their country sucks. And in Switzerland, they have some of the highest handgun ownership in the world (percentage wise) and they most recently had a staggering 34 deaths or attempted attacks due to handguns. That's 34 out of 7.6 million.
@SpideyNinety08 Concerning handgun use i think that the numbers still speak for themselves. in the US the US has 1/30,000 versus 1/223,529. Even if you factor in our much larger population we still have more gun deaths per citizen. And concerning your third post i agree with you about how they have more freedoms. I am not saying America is bad just we have a lot to learn from Europe and can not simply ignore them and say "we are the best! we are the best!" like Friedman offers.
@TheRedWolf080 And besides all of this, these Scandinavian countries aren't nearly as Socialized as people like to claim they are. Yes, the USA has greater economic freedom, but many of those countries are more economically free than the US in certain important areas. Denmark, for example, has more business freedom, monetary freedom, investment freedom, financial freedom, freedom from corruption, and labor freedom while having comparable property rights and trade freedom scores to the U.S.
Einstein didn't construct his theory of relativity by virtue of free enterprise, rather while sitting on a train looking at a clock tower he imagined traveling with the speed of the image of the clock. He left Germany to avoid pursecution, the same place that Wernher Von Braun, the father of modern rocketry, resided and practiced thereby laying the the foundation for Russia to be the first nation in space. Listening to capitalists is like listening to a bunch o evangelicals. Do the math.
@RealeloH - That's correct, a state run entity. Before Paperclip-the V2 Rocket in Germany. There is no connection between Capitalism and creative thought is my point. It takes massive economic effort to facilitate the transformation from idea to tangible result (funds on the order of magnitude of a governement entity like NASA). When the result has no privatized economic benefit, it's less likely to be pursued just because it's a good idea. People are confounding capitalism and democracy.
@FletchforFreedom And the reason living standards are so good in america is because of poorer nations. You think that if all nations were rich you could get a jar of coffee from columbia for a few dollars? In order for there to be rich people in a capitalist society there has to be a mass of poor to provide for them.
@FletchforFreedom There is no such thing as wealthy poor. A persons wealth is measured against others in their society. Just because welfare payments in the US would be small fortunes in another country doesnt mean that people on welfare in the US can afford decent healthcare, feed their family, send kids to college etc. Your argument is plain idiotic.
@straydoglogic The 'for someone to be rich' statement wasnt a scientific measurement. But incase you dont understand how life in a capitalist system works then let me explain. Not everyone can be rich. Sorry if that confuses you. Just throw out another reference to plato to stroke your ego, might calm you down. And i know what i'm arguing against. The confusion is at your end.
Its quite clear that you do not know how a capitalist system works. Everyone CAN be rich. It is not a zero-sum game. In fact, the rise in living standards, particularly for the poor, who are rich beyond the dreams of Croesus in comparison to even the middle class three centuries ago, over the last 300 years has been directly and solely the result of the adoption of capitalism (which is why the US has the wealthiest "poor" in the world).
@straydoglogic so everyone on social welfare has no dignity? I think your confusing your dignity with your ego. I've paid my taxes and i see no shame in claiming some of it back to feed my children now that the banks have made it impossible for me to find work.
@satansmanonearth Dont think theres much hope for you if think hitler was on the right path. And he wasnt evil, he was just a regular psycho that ended up in a position of power ,killed alot of innocent people for no reason then killed himself like the cowardly piece of shit he was when things didnt go his way.
@naydah I worked for a bank. I saved money i earned in that bank. Bank lent my money to builders. Builders went bankrupt and couldnt pay. Gov used my taxes to give to bank to keep it goin. Gov then needed money from IMF to pay for public services. They will pay that back with my taxes. That money came from earlier profits from my bank which i helped to achieve. I have to pay three fold to fix it. Banks profit three fold from it. Its slavery.
@Sundance540 What you're arguing against is fractional reserve banking and a central banking system, not capitalism. You clearly have little understanding. Reminds me of Plato's "The Apology".
@naydah People are greedy because the know its possible to gain more. Limit how much they can earn to a figure that is achievable without exploiting and greed soon becomes redundant. Only reason for someone to need hundreds of millions is to use that to make more. Which soon turns into monopolising and exploitation. And when it goes wrong the economy suffers and workers taxes pay to fix it.
@Sundance540 So take away peoples incentive to work and be the best they can because you limit how much they can achieve. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea.
@straydoglogic Most peoples incentive to work is feeding their families and providing themselves with a comfortable life. How would that change under socialism?. And the "best" people can be in a monetary society is in a position to exploit other people. For one person to be rich someone else has to be poor. If you value yourself on how little other people have then your a sad excuse for a human being.
@Sundance540 It's nice that you can make your own opinionated claim as to what peoples incentives are. Where do you get the notion that for one person to be rich someone else has to be poor? That would assume that the ratio now is 1-1 rich to poor. I'm pretty sure that it's not that way today. And as for your last sentence, I haven't had a job for a year but still don't depend on the government to take care of me. Some people have dignity.
@niklasbastholmhansen 'People are greedy' is a clear explanation of why socialism doesnt work? He might fancy himself an intellectual but a genius he is not.
@naydah People are not equal. That's part of the problem with that theory. Some people are harder working, some people are more intellectual, some are more inventive, some are flat out lazy. Some are smart some are stupid. People are far from equal, we just deserve the same opportunities. And I wouldn't expect rich people to give me anything just because they're better off than I am. Why do people demonize the rich? Why demonize success? Envy maybe?
@straydoglogic i know man that the sentence ppl are equal is totally bullshit. I'm all in free market, Friedman theories, Austrian Economy etc. But thx for nice arguments - for sure i will use them in discussion with my friends who believe in socialism.
To all of you who is commenting on this video, instead of listening to the wisdom of Milton Friedman that you obviously must have heard some of, since you are here: Go watch more of these videos with him, he was a genius. Don't try to reinvent new systems of government when he so clearly and effectively explains why capitalism works an socialism don't. Some of you might frown when reading this comment, but ask yourself if you have actually listened to this and other videos.. Now have you??
@coletrainwvu I'm not very familiar with venezuela's policies, I'll have to look into that in more detail. I Think your right, failure to switch to and implement socialism correctly will lead to a revertion to a fuedal system when capitalism inevitably collapses.
@coletrainwvu I cant see a system that relies on profit for growth remain stable as resources deplete. Less there is the more profit there is to be made. Only producing countries will show growth while the rest of the world enters an energy deficient depression. I dont think alternative fuels will be able to bridge the gap in time. Unless the balance you mentioned is tilted heavily in the direction of socialism and that profit can be redirected away from private investers.
@Sundance540 I think the system will undoubtedly have to go to socialism just to protect society from hording or wasting. I also think your right, that it's unlikely that profit oriented systems won't be able to remain as stable as labor oriented systems as resources deplete. I really feel like the most applicable strategy is similar to what Venezuela is doing now, with the small scale socialism and government acquisition/supply of natural resources, else we may return to a feudal system.
@coletrainwvu With the advances that you mentioned i think socialism is inevitable. With increasing populations and increasing automation in industry, working class people will eventually find their labour redundant and unemployed on a large scale. Disposable income will become non existant for a huge percentage of the population. Without a market for products corporations collapse. Leaving no option but for the state to take over the means of production to provide for its people.
@Sundance540 I would agree mostly, however it won't be socialism but an evolution of socialism. Instead it may be based on the nash equilibrium theory instead of Adam Smith's theory,.."Every man working for himself serves the greater good" it's likely to become "Every man working for himself and the greater good serves the greater good." Once people realize there's only so much resources to go around, and we have to share in order to preserve basic society, I feel like things will change.
@coletrainwvu I'd like to say a balance could work but i think that unless corporations are kept on a very short leash the boom-bust scenario will just keep repeating each time widening the class gap. Continued growth under capitalism is impossible. Under socialism growth would be slow enough to not exceed a sustainable level. Unfortunatly at present few countries value socialist programs more than business and investment. Leaving corporations with the power to put pressure on govs.
@coletrainwvu The biggest problem when switching to socialism is that immediatly your seperated from the rest of the world. Seems some countries, such as sweeden have adopted a capitalist system with extensive taxing and pump the money into social programs. The definition of socialism could shift to operate under capitalism. Which would eventually change the way countries operate under capitalism rather than replace it.
@Sundance540 i've always understood socialism as being a regressive action from capitalism or corporatism. For example, a corporatist society would utilize social policies until they've reached a middle ground between corporatism and communism. I would say it's far more common for a nation to have both capitalist and socialist policies than to only be strictly capitalist or socialist. Extremism in either realm has rarely ever seen real world application.
@sundace540 however though, I would consider both cap. and comm. to be wildly out of date. They both where conceived in a time where labor was finite and resources where infinite. Considering the fact that the worlds economy runs on fossil fuels, that we've hit, or are about to hit, peak oil, and that labor can be replaced by mechanized computronics, makes me think that resources/sustainability should overtake labor or capital. It's been over 150yrs since socialgov theory has been overhauled.
@coletrainwvu He points out that capitalism and communism both run on greed. Hardly what i'd call brilliant insight. in his opinion a system that runs on greed will make the greatest advances. He seems to think that advances in industry are more important than advances in society. What use is all the technology in the world when the vast majority of people live in poverty? And greed is not part of human nature. It developed when profit became a way to become dominant.
@coletrainwvu He points out that capitalism and communism both run on greed. Hardly what i'd call brilliant insight. in his opinion a system that runs on greed will make the greatest advances. He seems to think that advances in industry are more important than advances in society. What use is all the technology in the world when the vast majority of people live in poverty? And greed is not part of human nature. It developed when profit became a way to become dominant.
@Sundance540 it may not be "brilliant" but it is something that's rarely pointed out. Most people, especially those in politics, want to pretend that socialism and capitalism are polar opposites, when in fact they're just different sides of the same coin. He's not really arguing greed as selling point as much as he's arguing for a general lack of control and organization. Open Source vs Microsoft is a good example of where a 100% democratic/leaderless community can overtake an organized corp.
@Sundance540 However though, that being said,. I realize that's also a bit of a pipe dream to just leave corporatism at once. The sole reason for socialism being invented, in the first place, was to protect laborers from the abuses of corporatism. If we wanted true liberty today we'd have to beef up government enough so that it can take down the global corporations and put the power of the independent nations back in the hands of the people and then we could start scaling down our government.
These comments reek of bs and have nothing to do with the video. I don't think any of you understand what he's getting at here.
Friedman was able to make great comparisons and brilliant deductions because he was able to look at complex situations objectively. He's able to pinpoint the commonalities between communism and capitalism, by deducing that they both thrive off of greed and ultimately their successes are measured by their ability to embrace anarchy. Who here's arguing for anarchy?
@sebek23b i find it hard to accept your argument on nature and only the strong survive. Surely the human race can move beyond that and have a society based on fairness instead of primitive survival principals.
@sebek23b Alot of people are looking for a change and i think socialism is a very good alternative to a profit driven economy. Its easy to say its the poor begrudging the rich but the rich have no need to seek change seeing as they have a better standard of living and they begrudge the poor having their oppertunity.
@sebek23b I had a good job and was earning well above the average. Even then i had socialist views. Now i and almost 500k of people in ireland are unemployed due to gross mismanagment of the country when they allowed banks and investers free reign to take advantage of the capitalist system and pursue profit without being regulated.
@VideoSeattle Your an idiot and i'm not gonna waste my time responding to you any more. By the way, quoting margaret thatcher doesnt make ya look clever just more stupid. Have fun with you new friend lol.
@Sundance540 Rats, I lost my dearest bully. Good luck peddling that...uh..."intlelligent" ideology. It will get you places...Alpha Centari is ready to beam you back up. bye-bye :(
@Sundance540 Whah? You WERE my friend??? Did you dance right off the wagon and fall out of love with Maggie Thatcher too? Dancing requires music, yes? Did you sing that familiar lyric, "Maggie...I wish I...nevah...seen your face"? I wish you well, but you need to get realisic about how grand your political ideals are. They are so elite and your persona so vain. Carly Simon wrote a song, was that about...you?? Seriously, take care! :)
@VideoSeattle lol you send me a thousand word essay starting with 'its no secret you are arrogant but shut up and you might learn something' and expect me to read it after clearly showing that you have no clue what your talking about in our previous discussion and expect me to read it? Lol. You do realise that you are making a monumental fool out of yourself?
@Sundance540 lol Wrong, I never said "shut up". Yesterday, I did say openly to "button your piehole". That "essay" didn't include "shut up" either. I did say "bite your tongue", which is a polite way of saying think before you go off on another tirade. Just the facts Jack!
@sebek23b In a socialist society factories would be state owned.Eliminating profit isnt done by taxing its done by restructering the way wealth gained from labour is distributed.Please do a little research before making such remarks.
@Sundance540 Hey ALL! Sundancer here just cut the rug, done the jig and proved to be the bully pig. Mr. Bully, despite me not having the time to challenge (bother) him Today, wrote me with this rant:
"Please dont send me any more messages. If your so arrogant as to shit all over my opinions despite having no clue about the subject, you think i'm gonna even read that long list of crap you sent? Grow up, smarten up and piss the fuck off."
Having a bad day, are we? LIghten up Mr. Sun-dance
@Sundance540 i born in communist country which is form of socialism, now we have so called democracy with national heath care, national education. My parents told me a lot about the previous system.
I bet you earn less than the average people in your country. Socialist is never someone who have achieved success, it's always someone who begrudge the success of others. Let's take that from them, that is socially unjust. Why is that in economic index socialism countries are at the bottom?
@Sundance540 yes in socialism labour should be in "charge" of production and they should make biggest profit from it. In other worlds you want to fare system but this isnt going to work why? because nature dosnt work that way, in animal world strongest animals survive and weakest die. Life itself isnt fare, some ppl get cancer at 20yo this isnt fare but U want fare social system? this is only possible when God would be in charge because this system require lot of miracles.
@VideoSeattle Only person embarrassing themselves is you. Your arguing against something you know nothing about. Whats worse is you dont even know what your own point of view is. You constantly contradict yourself. Then you get confused and angry and make stupid comments like your last one.
@VideoSeattle The fact that we have different opinions than you means we're trying to brainwash you? You need to learn a bit more about socialism. I dont care if you agree with it or not but atleast have a valid reason. Contrary to popular myth its not a way to brainwash and enslave people. Its a political system that i and many other people think would make life alot better for everyone.
@Sundance540 What group do you belong? Is it Marx or Marx light? The reality, whether you admit it or not, is your ideology is hostile to real Liberty. Just who do you think you are kidding? How did you get here? And how did you get past those armed military guards in area 51?
@alvisc2002 What would happen when a company reaches the cap? Wouldnt the company just split ? What reason would it have to continue if its unable to make profit? And how would you go about dealing with people that go over the cap seeing as their wealth would be tied to shares? Have the difference transferred to the state in shares or dump them onto the market?
what we need is conservative capitalism. not corporatism. conservative capitalism not socialism. a system where a high limit is placed on the amount of money corporations/people would make. a 1 Billion cap for individuals. a 20 Billion cap for corporations.
@VideoSeattle You accused me earlier of 'buying into the notion that healthcare is a right'. Before that you accused me of supporting the government punishing people with no health insurance. I absolutely believe that people have a right to healthcare. What kind of ignorant selfish moron wouldnt? You dont seem to have a clue where you stand on the matter. How can you take issue with anyones opinion when your so confused about your own?
@VideoSeattle The only reason you could have that opinion is if you have no idea how socialism works. Explain to me why you think it is tyrannical. And dont say it leads to communism.
@VideoSeattle You want me to sort out your beliefs? If you cant then how the hell am i suppose to? And your the one who supports tyranny. Socialism is the opposite of tyranny that puts the power in the hands of the people. Where workers and state profit from their labour instead of a handfull of people who get fat off the work of average people aka tyrants.
@Sundance540 Was THAT a joke? You wrote, "Socialism is the opposite of tyranny that puts the power in the hands of the people" Its' so absurd is laughable. You ACTUALLY believe THAT??? WOW! I mean WWWOW!
@VideoSeattle actually he's right. socialism IS the opposite of tyranny. but false socialism IS tyranny. just as false capitalism is corporatism. and false christianity is xianity. I mean think about it. Billions of people may claim to be christian. so if they follow christian values then where is our heaven on earth. get it?
@alvisc2002 Sounds like a group consensus, Socialism is in fact “opposite of Tyranny”. Great! The problem is you guys are creeping me out. Like in the movie “Yes Man”, walking into the large meeting and compelled by peer pressure to agree with the psycho on stage. Pshycho will then say, “SOCIALISM…(echo) IS OPPOSITE OF INSANITY (echo) :D
Check out 'Socialism is Modern Slavery' on YT, you will see a graphic from 'Yes Man' at 1:58
@VideoSeattle You really are an idiot. I didnt quote you saying 'an aim of socialism is to provide free healthcare'. It is an actual aim of socialism. How long are you going to talk shit before actually learning what exactly it is that your against here?
@Sundance540 Oh, you got me there. LOL You were SO clear about what I meant then what you pointed to be some fact that it sort of melded together. You really ought to sort out what you believe and what I believe and dont' confuse the two. Kay? And stop with the childish insults, they are tiresome. My point all along is you support Tyranny in the name of Liberty. You probably bought the notion that HC is a "right" or similar language, Mr. Manchild! And don't call me names, only I get to! :)
@VideoSeattle I'm not a young lady. So perhaps you might like to try find someone young and gullible to listen to your mindless rubbish. And your done with me for the fourth time? Lol trying to bail out on a high are we. Your getting the hang of the joke thing. Problem is people are suppose to laugh with ya and not at ya. Ya might want to work on that.
@Sundance540 "find some gullible". I did! YOU! You have demonstrated you live beyond reality and common sense. Thought I could help you out, but you can't deal with reality. I'm laughing AT YOU. I don't care if others don't join in or question what I find funny. Who cares? Anyhow, I"m SPITTIN MAD...I'M DONE WITH YOU...FOR THE TENTH TIME!!!!!! Hows that? any better? Whah? It's nah funny? Too bad. :D
@VideoSeattle One last comment. You just showed how clueless you are in your last comment. You think socialism is forcing people to buy health insurance? One of the main aims of socialism is to provide free healthcare for everyone. For the third time do some fucking research before throwing around your ill informed, idiotic little statements. Cant screen the posts to suit yourself like ya do on your own channel.
@Sundance540 LOL I'm "clueless" again. LOL It's a fact, it's not what "I think". Our system is experiencing what is called "soft" Tyranny". You ought to do the research on its ill effects. It DESTROYS LIBERTY. You want both Liberty & Tyranny, but they DON'T MIX. Gov't run HC is TYRANNICAL. Duh! That's factual. But you object therefore it's "idiotic". What is your problem? Can't think beyond all that spoon-fed liberal indoctrination? (sigh) And watch your language young lady!
@Sundance540 Socialism, if you hadn't figured out, is a transition from capitalism to communism. Where the "collective" will eventually be treated "fairly". But, that "fairness" is a fairy tale, one that you apparently and foolishly believe in. You epitomize the word clueless. I'm done with you for the 4th time!!!!! Ohhh, the cheek of you people!
@Sundance540 And, no. I didn't say, "One of the main aims of socialism is to provide free healthcare for everybody". I'll spell it out for you. Socialism exists only by overtaking over private institutions, like health care. France has finally, after 50 years, returned health care to the private sector...where it belongs! They learned a gov't takeover solves nothing. But somehow, elites in our Gov't have convinced folks we are "better" with this 2.7k page pile-o-crap HC "reform" (takeover).
@VideoSeattle I'm sick of argueing with ya. Every point you make is borderline idiotic. Sort out what your views are and figure out how to get your points across clearly. And a little research on other peoples views would also be good. Until then i.m not wasting my time reading your ill informed, childish jibberish. P.s i dont hate you but it saddens me greatly that after millions of years of evolution people like you are the end result. Bit of a waste of time.
@Sundance540 Wow! "I'm wasting" YOUR time? LOL You come off as Mr. sophistication and I'm "childish". You think forcing NY firefighters to participate in a gay parade is "LIBERTY"? I'll bet you do, it's only moral in your fantasy world. You also agree that gov't has the right to punish individuals that refuse to buy health insurance, huh?. That's "LIBERTY"? You are either clueless or think others are. We The People object to this BS, and we are not cowering to your progressive dictates.
@VideoSeattle I'd give the jokes a miss if i was you, ya dont really have the knack for it. And your main argument is based around this 'ism' thing. Perhaps you could clarify what you mean by 'the problem with socialism is social-ism' . And calling someone a sheep for going against popular opinion is a bit of an oxymoron isnt it? And there is quite a bit of difference between knowing the definition of the word socialism and knowing how it actually works.
@Sundance540 Do you prehaps subscribe to the...(no joke here)...Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals, rule # 12? You are very quick and serious about insulting those that don't agree with your ideology. I provided clues laced with humor, which you apparently didn't appreciate. But rule # 12 is: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
@Sundance540 Don't get me wrong, I don't hate you. Seems you hate me. I just think people like you are very rigid in your belief that America must transform into something "better". As in Socialism. Anything is better than free enterprise system and the individual freedom we were born into. As I explained to you already' Capital-iSTS are the problem in Capital-ISM...it's political figures that exploit the system with their "good intentions" & extort wealth to pay for entitlement programs.
@Sundance540 "actually knowing how it (Socialism) works" Again, no joke here; Socialism does NOT work. That's been my point. I'll repeat some facts; Socialism has failed EVERYWHERE AND EVERYTIME it's been foisted upon a society. In 1883, the people in the Socialist Republic of Germany were stuck with nationalized Healthcare by Bizmark. Their rights were diminished in that instant. That's NOT a solution if the goal is to protect individual freedom. But you seem to think its just wundebar!
@VideoSeattle As i said do a little research on socialism because you clearly havent got a clue what it is. You were probably told commies are bad when you were a kid and rather than read about it and form your own opinion you just took it as fact. And your one man war against the 'progressives' is getting old. If your gonna try and argue a redundant point try and be clear. Your attempt at sounding like an intellectual isnt impressing anyone.
@Sundance540 LOL You funny! But saying that Socialism is good is unintelligent. Its a charade. Commies aren't bad, they are worse...as in brutal dictatorships. Recall Tienanmen Square massacre? Apparently, you were taught to be a good widdle socialist. BTW, I DO know the definition of this ISM, but my point is to convey that people are sheeple to believe in principles that deviate from foundational principles of Liberty, which includes free enterprise. Marxism and Socialism THREATEN Liberty.
@Sundance540 Hey, it's about time you "do a little research" on Socialism, because for some reason you still think it's the "cat's meow". I'll even send you some cat food to help sustain you while you study. It shouldn't take long...that is if you have a logical mindset and a sufficient IQ to help your understand reality. You will have to go out of your liberal MSNBC/ABC/CNN/NPR comfort zone, but I'm rooting for ya! LOL
So, Oprah becomes a multi-billionaire (her last show was about handing out useless palstic junk to her private studio of hand picked guests who acted like it was life support) and Phil Donahue, having real shows like this ends up where exactly? WTF is wrong with Americans and why are they so anti-enlightenment?
eliminate profit and you eliminate greed or the greater part of it anyway. To accept and defend the fact that the world runs on greed showes nothing more than this mans lack of integrity. The reason other socialist systems have collapsed is not because they have failed but because they have not been allowed to succeed.
@Sundance540 Amen! I thought I was the only one who was thinking this while watching. This the definition of the conservative, captialist, cynic that runs the new global economy.
@Sundance540 Eliminating profit will do no such thing, it's all hype. It's just part of the class envy narrative which targets rich people some evil enemy...and uses the term "social injustice" to shame them & drums up hatred, And progressives have used this line of indoctrination with some success on young (naive) students. Like I've said before, the problem with Socialism is Social-ISM. This ISM invites political corruption and tyranny as it depletes individuals of dignity and wealth.
@Sundance540 And you are just the perfect (100% integrity) political operatives to implement the finest, most bestest form ever know to bless this world. My advice, try it in Cuba, it couldn't hurt there...they need some thin...it's been years since Che, you know the guy who tormented both gays and Catholics...and the gay catholics too! Yet, he is a legend in the USA! Viva la (Che) Revolucion! Yeah! You could replace him, since he wasn't quite "perfect" enough.
@sebek23b Thanks! I was the lone voice speaking against this socialist nonsense until you arrived. Careful, you burst these folks' utopian world and they go age crap. I think you sent ole sun-dance over the edge. Yesterday, I told him to "button his piehole"...but he went on a tirade. Only the delusional can be so passionate about something so ridiculous as socialism in this "perfect world". Margaret Thatcher said, "THE PROBLEM WITH SOCIALISM IS THEY EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES $".
Freidman teaches us here his unbridled cynicism of human nature that underscores his theory of free market capitalism. Its not even ordinary cynicism; its cynicism as a newly reconstituted ideal, in which surface greed displays evidence of human integrity, because that’s ‘all you got’ and it would be simply counterfactual to argue in any other way. What a very dismal social scientist.
I like the question, "is political self-interest more noble than economic self-interest?" Seems that those dependent on Gov't are beholden to their "angels" (progressives), who will game the system to retain their power. They are the ruling class, however progressives have infiltrated both parties...obviously one has more than the other. Until we rid our DC of progressives, our nation is stuck on stupid and spending us further into financial ruin...thanks to liberal "Political self-interest"
@VideoSeattle economic self-interest IS political self-interest. Progressivism hasn't been viewed positively in American politics since JFK. However, American's themselves want progressivism as bad as they wanted revenge after 911. Just like republicans crying 911 to get elected, the democrats where able to cry hope. However though don't be naive enough to think that anyone with an R or a D beside their name has any progress in mind. They're all just protecting the economic self interest.
Explain? (sigh) "Americans want progressivism..." To equate such ambition with avenging terror is awkward at best. And “We The People” absolutely REJECT progressivism, which has made our nation broke. Hint: national election 2010. The UK is broke under similar circumstances.
Wrong about the term, it has nothing to do with progress in a beneficial sense. And a majority of D’s & many R’s are indeed progressives. It’s the status quo in DC that marks who this corrupt political ruling class is.
@VideoSeattle progressiveness in American politics has been centered around providing social equalities and protecting the environment. For example: the women's suffrage movement, the national park act, repealing the Jim Crow laws, gay marriage, and certain parts of health care. Most Americans reject the oligarchy that currently controls America and thrives off rampant deregulation and unaccountability.
As for the elections, check out who fit the bill for your anti-progressives.
@coletrainwvu And you call ME the "moron". LOL That's a bunch of progressives-are-wonderful hype, but when it comes to the destruction of real Liberty; people like you cite all the "good intentions" of social (entitlement) programs that perhaps are worth some "amicable trade-off" in your world. You don't live in, or anywhere near, reality. Good day, Lassie.
@VideoSeattle Government having it's hand in peoples day to day affairs by relegating who they can and can't marry is a REAL obstruction of liberty, not government using a minor portion of it's budget to provide better and needed health care to 911 responders, many of whom who actually work for the government.
At no point have I called you a "moron". You're loosing a debate because instead of researching the topics and having articulate responses, your rambling off insults and talking points.
@coletrainwvu Adhering to traditional marriage is not an "obstruction to Liberty". And it's absurd to say gov't uses a "minor portion" of it's budget on entitlements. Entitlements are the problem, NOT a solution...not at ANY price. That's the problem, people think the Fed is all about playing some sort of nanny. The reality is nanny has no business pushing private citizens around based on frivolity and wayward agendas. I humbly admit, you are right about one thing, you didn't call me a name.
@VideoSeattle government only allowing traditional marriage clearly conflicts with the first amendment and is an obvious obstruction to our freedom of religion. And yea, the government would use a minor portion of it's budget to cover 911 responders. I never mentioned that America should cover ALL entitlements. I'll agree with you that entitlements, if not closely watched, can be a bad thing in any form. However, government is not the only institution that provides entitlements.
@VideoSeattle the first amendment is not a "theory" it's a law that protects all of your rights as an American.
In all honesty, nothing that you've posted, thus far, has been even remotely grounded reality and has been subjectively-ideological in its entirety. None of it truly merits a response. However, I just don't like it when people try to bully other people by calling them names and attempt to belittle them or their convictions with propagandist rhetoric.
@coletrainwvu It's very telling that you claim you have won a debate here. Wow, how arrogant can a liberal elite be? It's laughable. You think your beliefs and your "solutions" are healthy for a nation? Of coarse you do, b/c America must be punished for creating so much wealth to allow private citizens to be independent from an otherwise authoritarian govt. However, things have changed, progressives have infiltrated the system and threaten even a person's right to his own property. Progress!
@VideoSeattle liberal elite? Why is elite a bad thing furthermore why do you see incompetence as a virtue? Also, you're making tons of large assumptions about me and about "America being punished"? No one ever said that people shouldn't be allowed to own property, I have no idea where you're getting that from. Also, you have a wildly twisted idea of what progressiveness is and the hubris of your rhetoric is entirely reminiscent of Glenn Beck. In short, you need to learn to think for yourself.
@Darkrunner1975 Those "angels" are PROGRESSIVES...the fringe that controlled Congress from 2006-10 and the Oval from 2009-present. They are the very worst of the liberal elite, who grow gov't by "moving forward" entitlement programs that supposedly "help". Instead, the needy put their hands out and the system enslaves them. It's the modern slavery, and taxpayers are forced to fund it. Yet, a large majority of taxpayers don't share the Marxist ideology of redistribution (theft) of wealth.
IF you don't have this, those who are charitable can never combat the issues that face a country. People will always be slaves to there jobs that they think is empowering when it is surpressing. The very company you work for has only one motive. PROFIT. when they find a cheaper alternative you are long gone. Then the consumers buy into the cheap bullshit and end up with aweful lives of servatude. The world is no longer about good ideas. If there is any innovation in capitalism it is to make shit
One can forfill there best intrest by meeting there society half way. If the citizens are insured in every way, there can never be worries for the society at large. It costs far less for everyone and people are happier and more productive. He dosn't realize that many socialist leaning countries in Europe are world economic powerhouses for their size and are happier societies that porduce MUCH better ideas. They don't cut corners and produce bullshit, unlike us who do the opposite. MILTON FAIL!
@kandy1958 The last time I checked Germany, France, Great Britain, The Netherlands, Denmark, norway, and the most sucsessful of them all, Sweden, are in Europe, All of whitch have more stable, and profitable economies. They are happy, and they are healthy, they have shorter work weeks, and they are able to be very progressive as a result. Portugual, Spain and Greece dont hold a candle to the mess the US is in.
The way in which wealth is distributed, is not a reflection of the system. It's a reflection of the soul of mankind. People by nature are self-oriented. Basic survival instincts, a residue of evolution - everyone wants to be a winner.
We don't want equal division of wealth. Because it prevents us from taking a shot at becoming succesful, becoming a winner. For, how can we ever be a winner if everyone is equally succesful? To make winners, you need lots of losers. That's what I think, at least
There is a difference between a social democracy, and socialist society, where it has to be regulated at the end of a gun.
Stalin. Pol Pot. Mao.
All variations on the same political philosophy.
I don't mind working 100 hours a week, to build a business, but if I knew that my work was going to be paid as much as the guy doing nothing..guess what, I'm gonna do nothing.
I'll sit on my ass and watch television. Everyone else will take care of me.
why socialism fails!! but einstein just said Why Socialism? did u read Enstein's article Why Socialism !!! please read !!! there is an audiobook on youtube about it.
It's funny that he quotes Einstein. Einstein was a socialist.
fizzypopism 2 months ago
America needs to remember this man.
peter1592 4 months ago 9
@Drbungholio actually if you unite all the social programs...social security, medicare, medicaid, healthcare,education etc...you would see that it was the social spending that got us in to trillions of dollars in debt...even though war cost money, I see that the government overspent too much ad used the wars to clean their behinds for the problems at home...OVERSPENDING!
mrthink777 6 months ago
@filmcruiser88 It's not the athletes fault he developed a skill other people would pay hundreds of dollars too see voluntarily?
mrthink777 6 months ago
@filmcruiser88
We have that society its called the U.S.
ProDCloud 6 months ago
capitalism does work, but is also has a peak on how beneficial it is for society. If a man creates a business, he also creates jobs for others and he creates useful products for society but those are just byproducts. when the ultimate goal is capital or profit, everything else is simply an obstacle of profit. that is where you start seeing the decline in capitalism's benefits, when they no longer pay decent wages or create jobs because it hurts maximum profits
apologizingkiller 8 months ago
@apologizingkiller
That would be incorrect. By your logic an automated production line is hurtful because it raises profits and lowers the amount of hired people.
That would be the same situation as we now face when the improvements in the IT-sector reduces the number of employees.
Both examples increase productivity, decrease prices, brings the service to the (poor) people because it's cheaper.
Also you don't create jobs without profits, simple as that. Firms have limits in expansion poten
Loomr 8 months ago
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apologizingkiller 8 months ago
@Loomr
And how helpful will these cheaper products be when there are no jobs. Also many jobs are not replaced by machines but by cheaper workers. So while this is all fine why should we support these large businesses when they don't return the favor.
apologizingkiller 8 months ago
@Loomr
But i do agree with you that jobs being replaced by new technology is a beneficial process and should occur in order for a nation to continue progressing forward
apologizingkiller 8 months ago
@apologizingkiller
Yea but I'm also saying is that there is never anything wrong in businessmen being "too greedy". They can't screw the workers by being too greedy (unless you want to talk about safety regulation but that's another topic), because workers produce the money for business men.
They can't "not hire" people, because they will hire as many for as little money as it takes to make the service available for us.
That's why things are cheap. It's good for everyone.
Loomr 8 months ago
@Loomr
would you say turning a blind eye towards Indian children making toys for 60 cents a day just to earn a slightly higher profit being a little "too greedy". workers do produce the money for businessmen, but can you honestly say that they are getting their fair return. Now of course a businessman has to make profit, its not a choice, but that is why capitalism is flawed as a whole. a profit has to be made either by overcharging for a product or underpaying those making the product.
neverfailyouagain 8 months ago
@neverfailyouagain Except you fail to note that while they're making toys for 60 cents, without that employment they'd be doing very hard labor in fields for 30 cents. Prosperity isn't instant, it doesn't come because you wish it to come and it certainly doesn't come from foreign aid, as we've seen throughout the late 20th century and up until today. It comes from people investing to build the infrastructure today to provide the means to make a better tomorrow.
s0beit 6 months ago
Friedman owns Phil on this... yet still beats the liberal progressive drum!
MrFoxfan67 8 months ago
All hail Conservatism!
prettyb0y1992 8 months ago
basically, it comes down to would you rather have lazy people or greedy people
missersuperman 9 months ago
Friedman's correct, the record of history is absolutely clear but, stupid liberals don't learn from history, they feel their way through life. They, and they alone, can see the misery and inequality in the world and set forth to remedy it with other peoples' money and labor. And, when it inevitably fails, they demand more of what didn't work.
The way they perpetuate this path of failure and, their own power, is by convincing stupid people to follow them, using class warfare and empty promises.
imallpissedoff 9 months ago
I think the history of capitalism speaks for itself. Capitalist America gave the most people the greatest standard of living the world has ever seen.
I think the history of socialism speaks for itself. Look around the world. Look what government intervention and socialist schemes and promises have done to our financial, commercial, and medical industries. We are in debt that we can never repay. We are losing our freedoms. Europe's in the same boat, or worse.
Total failure. Total destruction.
imallpissedoff 9 months ago
war friedman!
nosira 9 months ago
At least this fuck Friedman did not mention God...
andmaketherain 10 months ago
Brithis education may be at a low standard now - but I assure you it will still beat the situation here. Regarding immigrants and life expectancy, it's not that simple. If you look at state by state life expetancies. Even state that have a low popultation of hispanics they still have a lower life expectancy. Then other groups, such as blacks, have a lower life expectancy than hispanics - and they are a small percentage of the overall US population.
xexixk 10 months ago
@HughStirling I understand your point. However, there some other interesting facts. I've studied the social welfare systems of different European countries. Many of them seem to go too far. However, that said it is interesting to note that every EU country has a higher life expectancy than the US, most have better educational systems as well.
xexixk 10 months ago
@HughStirling Tyrannts from the extreme fringes f the right have also enslaved and slaughtered milions. Go to far to the left or right and you end up at the same place: tyranny.
xexixk 10 months ago
this man is evil
LoonySeo 10 months ago
@LoonySeo And so are you Sociialists.
Tyco200 10 months ago
@LoonySeo Who Donahue? I agree.
wReCktangle 10 months ago
While what Friedman says is very convincing if i look at reality i see differently. What i see is it that the Nordic countries of Europe are off much better then we are if the capitalist system is the best then why are they so successful and us so behind? Could someone explain that to me.
TheRedWolf080 1 year ago
@TheRedWolf080 they aren't
SpideyNinety08 1 year ago
@SpideyNinety08
can you explain how they are worse off then we are? i believe they have higher life expectancy, better education, lower death rates due to handguns we have 10,000 while the UK has around 200 any many more. And they are inferior to us?
TheRedWolf080 11 months ago
@TheRedWolf080 Well, first, in the swan song of the "third way" socialism, Sweden, the average income for citizens is lower than African-Americans in the United States (our poorest demographic group), so not only do they have sky high taxes to pay for their wondrous wealth redistribution, they destroy their capital structure in the process and make everyone poorer as a result (seems awfully similar to what happened in Soviet Russia).
SpideyNinety08 11 months ago
@SpideyNinety08 concerning your first post so you say that income is how we should base our prosperity off of? The richer we are the better we are? i think that is a silly statement because money does equal prosperity.
your second post about life expectancy did not address my question. Higher life expectancy is GOOD and i rather have that then a few extra dollars in my pocket. The fact that Cuba has a higher life expectancy then America does is something we should address (continued)
TheRedWolf080 11 months ago
@TheRedWolf080 No, measurements of income are a way to measure standard of living. Third world countries don't just suck to live in because they have megalomaniacal dictators, but also because they're poor as dirt, they don't have any sustained capital base for generations to build upon and increase their standard of living. In a sense, yes, the richer you are the better you are, but not in the derogatory sense that you said it. (cont.)
SpideyNinety08 11 months ago
@TheRedWolf080 (cont) If you have more income than that means you produced more stuff that people are willing to buy (whether it is a physical good or not is irrelevant). If everyone's real income is rising, than that means that there is a growth in supply which increases the standard of living of everyone. Money does not equal prosperity, but, absent gov't manipulation and inflation, the only way to get more income is to supply stuff people want, thus increasing the standard of living. (cont)
SpideyNinety08 11 months ago
@TheRedWolf080 And I don't know enough of the specific about life expectancy to tell you why other countries are living longer, I know that government ruining health care the way its done since the 60s hasn't helped our statistics. Handgun statistics by and large show that in areas where there are liberalized hand gun laws there is a drop in gun violence (just look at DC pre and post legalization). And Friedman never said America is best, don't fall prey to assuming that (cont...)
SpideyNinety08 11 months ago
@TheRedWolf080 (...cont) America is synonymous with a free market style of capitalism. He never said that and very often espoused Hong Kong as the best existing example of of a free market economy (while admitting that even it wasn't ideal). America is a crony-capitalist country, not a free market.
SpideyNinety08 11 months ago
@SpideyNinety08
I agree with your statement that standard of living should be our focus not the money we earn. That is true prosperity (which Europe has higher then we do). While i understand that it is discouraging to see our government run health care fail we should not say it fails everywhere =. (In your defense though many health care systems in Europe are private but profit is outlawed long story i wont explain that unless i have to. (continued)
TheRedWolf080 11 months ago
@TheRedWolf080 Actually, even though I don't agree with statistics that try and measure unmeasurable things like "happiness" or "utility", the standard measurement of a standard of living has only one European country above us: Norway (and since the measurement uses GDP numbers in it, that is most likely because of Norway being the world's 2nd biggest exporter of oil per capita).
SpideyNinety08 11 months ago
@SpideyNinety08
Hmmm i guess one could argue about the idea of "happiness" being unmeasurable, i understand yet respectfully disagree with you on that point. However I think it is fair to say that GDP does not truly represent the superiority of a nation (not any one statistic can). It see that our arguments are on different levels mine is more idealistic concerning abstract ideas (happiness, satisfaction) you are more realist arguing numbers that can be measured. (GDP, production (continued)
TheRedWolf080 11 months ago
@SpideyNinety08
I think that it is a mixture of these two ideas is the best way to judge. It is foolish to think that only internal factors/ external factors determines success. Knowing that fact i think it is best if we agree to disagree.( in all honesty i have forgotten why i posted in the first place). Shall we call this a draw?
TheRedWolf080 11 months ago
@SpideyNinety08
You are correct i did assume incorrectly about America and the free market system I apologize for that. And i agree that America is no longer capitalist in economics and republic in politics now we are a plutocracy and a oligarchy in my opinion.
TheRedWolf080 11 months ago
@TheRedWolf080 Still watching that Michael Moore propaganda?
/watch?v=9pqv5ABQP5U
CarlosMarti123 8 months ago
@CarlosMarti123
I had no intention of bring in Micheal Moore. My knowledge comes from reading as well as my college classes. Oh and I never watched Sicko.
TheRedWolf080 8 months ago
@TheRedWolf080 (continued) I won't even comment on life expectancy since Cuba has a higher life expectancy than us and their country sucks. And in Switzerland, they have some of the highest handgun ownership in the world (percentage wise) and they most recently had a staggering 34 deaths or attempted attacks due to handguns. That's 34 out of 7.6 million.
SpideyNinety08 11 months ago
@SpideyNinety08 Concerning handgun use i think that the numbers still speak for themselves. in the US the US has 1/30,000 versus 1/223,529. Even if you factor in our much larger population we still have more gun deaths per citizen. And concerning your third post i agree with you about how they have more freedoms. I am not saying America is bad just we have a lot to learn from Europe and can not simply ignore them and say "we are the best! we are the best!" like Friedman offers.
TheRedWolf080 11 months ago
@TheRedWolf080 And besides all of this, these Scandinavian countries aren't nearly as Socialized as people like to claim they are. Yes, the USA has greater economic freedom, but many of those countries are more economically free than the US in certain important areas. Denmark, for example, has more business freedom, monetary freedom, investment freedom, financial freedom, freedom from corruption, and labor freedom while having comparable property rights and trade freedom scores to the U.S.
SpideyNinety08 11 months ago
In Poland, socialism "is" totally failed ;-D
arnaVck 1 year ago
Einstein didn't construct his theory of relativity by virtue of free enterprise, rather while sitting on a train looking at a clock tower he imagined traveling with the speed of the image of the clock. He left Germany to avoid pursecution, the same place that Wernher Von Braun, the father of modern rocketry, resided and practiced thereby laying the the foundation for Russia to be the first nation in space. Listening to capitalists is like listening to a bunch o evangelicals. Do the math.
rooked12 1 year ago
@rooked12 Wernher Von Braun worked for NASA and was a spoil of war, part of operation paperclip.
RealeloH 1 year ago
@RealeloH - That's correct, a state run entity. Before Paperclip-the V2 Rocket in Germany. There is no connection between Capitalism and creative thought is my point. It takes massive economic effort to facilitate the transformation from idea to tangible result (funds on the order of magnitude of a governement entity like NASA). When the result has no privatized economic benefit, it's less likely to be pursued just because it's a good idea. People are confounding capitalism and democracy.
rooked12 1 year ago
Phil Donahue is a jerk. I don't hear of him ever sharing anything that he has. Phil Donahue is greedy I bet.
usermikes 1 year ago
@FletchforFreedom And the reason living standards are so good in america is because of poorer nations. You think that if all nations were rich you could get a jar of coffee from columbia for a few dollars? In order for there to be rich people in a capitalist society there has to be a mass of poor to provide for them.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@FletchforFreedom There is no such thing as wealthy poor. A persons wealth is measured against others in their society. Just because welfare payments in the US would be small fortunes in another country doesnt mean that people on welfare in the US can afford decent healthcare, feed their family, send kids to college etc. Your argument is plain idiotic.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@straydoglogic The 'for someone to be rich' statement wasnt a scientific measurement. But incase you dont understand how life in a capitalist system works then let me explain. Not everyone can be rich. Sorry if that confuses you. Just throw out another reference to plato to stroke your ego, might calm you down. And i know what i'm arguing against. The confusion is at your end.
Sundance540 1 year ago
Its quite clear that you do not know how a capitalist system works. Everyone CAN be rich. It is not a zero-sum game. In fact, the rise in living standards, particularly for the poor, who are rich beyond the dreams of Croesus in comparison to even the middle class three centuries ago, over the last 300 years has been directly and solely the result of the adoption of capitalism (which is why the US has the wealthiest "poor" in the world).
FletchforFreedom 1 year ago
@Sundance540 Oh, thank you oh wise one.
straydoglogic 1 year ago
@straydoglogic so everyone on social welfare has no dignity? I think your confusing your dignity with your ego. I've paid my taxes and i see no shame in claiming some of it back to feed my children now that the banks have made it impossible for me to find work.
Sundance540 1 year ago
Miss this show had a bit of substance at times,cheers from Canada
sunflowerofpeace 1 year ago
@satansmanonearth Dont think theres much hope for you if think hitler was on the right path. And he wasnt evil, he was just a regular psycho that ended up in a position of power ,killed alot of innocent people for no reason then killed himself like the cowardly piece of shit he was when things didnt go his way.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@naydah I worked for a bank. I saved money i earned in that bank. Bank lent my money to builders. Builders went bankrupt and couldnt pay. Gov used my taxes to give to bank to keep it goin. Gov then needed money from IMF to pay for public services. They will pay that back with my taxes. That money came from earlier profits from my bank which i helped to achieve. I have to pay three fold to fix it. Banks profit three fold from it. Its slavery.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 What you're arguing against is fractional reserve banking and a central banking system, not capitalism. You clearly have little understanding. Reminds me of Plato's "The Apology".
straydoglogic 1 year ago
@naydah People are greedy because the know its possible to gain more. Limit how much they can earn to a figure that is achievable without exploiting and greed soon becomes redundant. Only reason for someone to need hundreds of millions is to use that to make more. Which soon turns into monopolising and exploitation. And when it goes wrong the economy suffers and workers taxes pay to fix it.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 So take away peoples incentive to work and be the best they can because you limit how much they can achieve. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea.
straydoglogic 1 year ago
@straydoglogic Most peoples incentive to work is feeding their families and providing themselves with a comfortable life. How would that change under socialism?. And the "best" people can be in a monetary society is in a position to exploit other people. For one person to be rich someone else has to be poor. If you value yourself on how little other people have then your a sad excuse for a human being.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 It's nice that you can make your own opinionated claim as to what peoples incentives are. Where do you get the notion that for one person to be rich someone else has to be poor? That would assume that the ratio now is 1-1 rich to poor. I'm pretty sure that it's not that way today. And as for your last sentence, I haven't had a job for a year but still don't depend on the government to take care of me. Some people have dignity.
straydoglogic 1 year ago
@niklasbastholmhansen 'People are greedy' is a clear explanation of why socialism doesnt work? He might fancy himself an intellectual but a genius he is not.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 ppl are greedy so its imposible that everyone is equal like socialism says
naydah 1 year ago
@naydah People are not equal. That's part of the problem with that theory. Some people are harder working, some people are more intellectual, some are more inventive, some are flat out lazy. Some are smart some are stupid. People are far from equal, we just deserve the same opportunities. And I wouldn't expect rich people to give me anything just because they're better off than I am. Why do people demonize the rich? Why demonize success? Envy maybe?
straydoglogic 1 year ago
@straydoglogic i know man that the sentence ppl are equal is totally bullshit. I'm all in free market, Friedman theories, Austrian Economy etc. But thx for nice arguments - for sure i will use them in discussion with my friends who believe in socialism.
naydah 1 year ago
To all of you who is commenting on this video, instead of listening to the wisdom of Milton Friedman that you obviously must have heard some of, since you are here: Go watch more of these videos with him, he was a genius. Don't try to reinvent new systems of government when he so clearly and effectively explains why capitalism works an socialism don't. Some of you might frown when reading this comment, but ask yourself if you have actually listened to this and other videos.. Now have you??
niklasbastholmhansen 1 year ago
@niklasbastholmhansen
I meant to write: Instead of reinventing the world in your comments, listen to this man. he was a genius...
niklasbastholmhansen 1 year ago
@coletrainwvu I'm not very familiar with venezuela's policies, I'll have to look into that in more detail. I Think your right, failure to switch to and implement socialism correctly will lead to a revertion to a fuedal system when capitalism inevitably collapses.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@coletrainwvu I cant see a system that relies on profit for growth remain stable as resources deplete. Less there is the more profit there is to be made. Only producing countries will show growth while the rest of the world enters an energy deficient depression. I dont think alternative fuels will be able to bridge the gap in time. Unless the balance you mentioned is tilted heavily in the direction of socialism and that profit can be redirected away from private investers.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 I think the system will undoubtedly have to go to socialism just to protect society from hording or wasting. I also think your right, that it's unlikely that profit oriented systems won't be able to remain as stable as labor oriented systems as resources deplete. I really feel like the most applicable strategy is similar to what Venezuela is doing now, with the small scale socialism and government acquisition/supply of natural resources, else we may return to a feudal system.
coletrainwvu 1 year ago
@coletrainwvu With the advances that you mentioned i think socialism is inevitable. With increasing populations and increasing automation in industry, working class people will eventually find their labour redundant and unemployed on a large scale. Disposable income will become non existant for a huge percentage of the population. Without a market for products corporations collapse. Leaving no option but for the state to take over the means of production to provide for its people.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 I would agree mostly, however it won't be socialism but an evolution of socialism. Instead it may be based on the nash equilibrium theory instead of Adam Smith's theory,.."Every man working for himself serves the greater good" it's likely to become "Every man working for himself and the greater good serves the greater good." Once people realize there's only so much resources to go around, and we have to share in order to preserve basic society, I feel like things will change.
coletrainwvu 1 year ago
@coletrainwvu I'd like to say a balance could work but i think that unless corporations are kept on a very short leash the boom-bust scenario will just keep repeating each time widening the class gap. Continued growth under capitalism is impossible. Under socialism growth would be slow enough to not exceed a sustainable level. Unfortunatly at present few countries value socialist programs more than business and investment. Leaving corporations with the power to put pressure on govs.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 well, ideally, corporations wouldn't exist for the same reason as that other people wouldn't have big government exist.
coletrainwvu 1 year ago
@coletrainwvu The biggest problem when switching to socialism is that immediatly your seperated from the rest of the world. Seems some countries, such as sweeden have adopted a capitalist system with extensive taxing and pump the money into social programs. The definition of socialism could shift to operate under capitalism. Which would eventually change the way countries operate under capitalism rather than replace it.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 i've always understood socialism as being a regressive action from capitalism or corporatism. For example, a corporatist society would utilize social policies until they've reached a middle ground between corporatism and communism. I would say it's far more common for a nation to have both capitalist and socialist policies than to only be strictly capitalist or socialist. Extremism in either realm has rarely ever seen real world application.
coletrainwvu 1 year ago
@sundace540 however though, I would consider both cap. and comm. to be wildly out of date. They both where conceived in a time where labor was finite and resources where infinite. Considering the fact that the worlds economy runs on fossil fuels, that we've hit, or are about to hit, peak oil, and that labor can be replaced by mechanized computronics, makes me think that resources/sustainability should overtake labor or capital. It's been over 150yrs since socialgov theory has been overhauled.
coletrainwvu 1 year ago
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@coletrainwvu He points out that capitalism and communism both run on greed. Hardly what i'd call brilliant insight. in his opinion a system that runs on greed will make the greatest advances. He seems to think that advances in industry are more important than advances in society. What use is all the technology in the world when the vast majority of people live in poverty? And greed is not part of human nature. It developed when profit became a way to become dominant.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@coletrainwvu He points out that capitalism and communism both run on greed. Hardly what i'd call brilliant insight. in his opinion a system that runs on greed will make the greatest advances. He seems to think that advances in industry are more important than advances in society. What use is all the technology in the world when the vast majority of people live in poverty? And greed is not part of human nature. It developed when profit became a way to become dominant.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 it may not be "brilliant" but it is something that's rarely pointed out. Most people, especially those in politics, want to pretend that socialism and capitalism are polar opposites, when in fact they're just different sides of the same coin. He's not really arguing greed as selling point as much as he's arguing for a general lack of control and organization. Open Source vs Microsoft is a good example of where a 100% democratic/leaderless community can overtake an organized corp.
coletrainwvu 1 year ago
@Sundance540 However though, that being said,. I realize that's also a bit of a pipe dream to just leave corporatism at once. The sole reason for socialism being invented, in the first place, was to protect laborers from the abuses of corporatism. If we wanted true liberty today we'd have to beef up government enough so that it can take down the global corporations and put the power of the independent nations back in the hands of the people and then we could start scaling down our government.
coletrainwvu 1 year ago
These comments reek of bs and have nothing to do with the video. I don't think any of you understand what he's getting at here.
Friedman was able to make great comparisons and brilliant deductions because he was able to look at complex situations objectively. He's able to pinpoint the commonalities between communism and capitalism, by deducing that they both thrive off of greed and ultimately their successes are measured by their ability to embrace anarchy. Who here's arguing for anarchy?
coletrainwvu 1 year ago
@sebek23b i find it hard to accept your argument on nature and only the strong survive. Surely the human race can move beyond that and have a society based on fairness instead of primitive survival principals.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@sebek23b Alot of people are looking for a change and i think socialism is a very good alternative to a profit driven economy. Its easy to say its the poor begrudging the rich but the rich have no need to seek change seeing as they have a better standard of living and they begrudge the poor having their oppertunity.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@sebek23b I had a good job and was earning well above the average. Even then i had socialist views. Now i and almost 500k of people in ireland are unemployed due to gross mismanagment of the country when they allowed banks and investers free reign to take advantage of the capitalist system and pursue profit without being regulated.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle Your an idiot and i'm not gonna waste my time responding to you any more. By the way, quoting margaret thatcher doesnt make ya look clever just more stupid. Have fun with you new friend lol.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 Rats, I lost my dearest bully. Good luck peddling that...uh..."intlelligent" ideology. It will get you places...Alpha Centari is ready to beam you back up. bye-bye :(
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@Sundance540 Whah? You WERE my friend??? Did you dance right off the wagon and fall out of love with Maggie Thatcher too? Dancing requires music, yes? Did you sing that familiar lyric, "Maggie...I wish I...nevah...seen your face"? I wish you well, but you need to get realisic about how grand your political ideals are. They are so elite and your persona so vain. Carly Simon wrote a song, was that about...you?? Seriously, take care! :)
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle lol you send me a thousand word essay starting with 'its no secret you are arrogant but shut up and you might learn something' and expect me to read it after clearly showing that you have no clue what your talking about in our previous discussion and expect me to read it? Lol. You do realise that you are making a monumental fool out of yourself?
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 lol Wrong, I never said "shut up". Yesterday, I did say openly to "button your piehole". That "essay" didn't include "shut up" either. I did say "bite your tongue", which is a polite way of saying think before you go off on another tirade. Just the facts Jack!
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@sebek23b In a socialist society factories would be state owned.Eliminating profit isnt done by taxing its done by restructering the way wealth gained from labour is distributed.Please do a little research before making such remarks.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 Hey ALL! Sundancer here just cut the rug, done the jig and proved to be the bully pig. Mr. Bully, despite me not having the time to challenge (bother) him Today, wrote me with this rant:
"Please dont send me any more messages. If your so arrogant as to shit all over my opinions despite having no clue about the subject, you think i'm gonna even read that long list of crap you sent? Grow up, smarten up and piss the fuck off."
Having a bad day, are we? LIghten up Mr. Sun-dance
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VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@Sundance540 i born in communist country which is form of socialism, now we have so called democracy with national heath care, national education. My parents told me a lot about the previous system.
I bet you earn less than the average people in your country. Socialist is never someone who have achieved success, it's always someone who begrudge the success of others. Let's take that from them, that is socially unjust. Why is that in economic index socialism countries are at the bottom?
sebek23b 1 year ago
@Sundance540 yes in socialism labour should be in "charge" of production and they should make biggest profit from it. In other worlds you want to fare system but this isnt going to work why? because nature dosnt work that way, in animal world strongest animals survive and weakest die. Life itself isnt fare, some ppl get cancer at 20yo this isnt fare but U want fare social system? this is only possible when God would be in charge because this system require lot of miracles.
sebek23b 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle Only person embarrassing themselves is you. Your arguing against something you know nothing about. Whats worse is you dont even know what your own point of view is. You constantly contradict yourself. Then you get confused and angry and make stupid comments like your last one.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle The fact that we have different opinions than you means we're trying to brainwash you? You need to learn a bit more about socialism. I dont care if you agree with it or not but atleast have a valid reason. Contrary to popular myth its not a way to brainwash and enslave people. Its a political system that i and many other people think would make life alot better for everyone.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 What group do you belong? Is it Marx or Marx light? The reality, whether you admit it or not, is your ideology is hostile to real Liberty. Just who do you think you are kidding? How did you get here? And how did you get past those armed military guards in area 51?
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@alvisc2002 What would happen when a company reaches the cap? Wouldnt the company just split ? What reason would it have to continue if its unable to make profit? And how would you go about dealing with people that go over the cap seeing as their wealth would be tied to shares? Have the difference transferred to the state in shares or dump them onto the market?
Sundance540 1 year ago
what we need is conservative capitalism. not corporatism. conservative capitalism not socialism. a system where a high limit is placed on the amount of money corporations/people would make. a 1 Billion cap for individuals. a 20 Billion cap for corporations.
alvisc2002 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle You accused me earlier of 'buying into the notion that healthcare is a right'. Before that you accused me of supporting the government punishing people with no health insurance. I absolutely believe that people have a right to healthcare. What kind of ignorant selfish moron wouldnt? You dont seem to have a clue where you stand on the matter. How can you take issue with anyones opinion when your so confused about your own?
Sundance540 1 year ago
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@Sundance540 Do me and yourself a favor, button your pie hole. Your arguments are pathetic and you are embarrassing yourself to sane folk.
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle The only reason you could have that opinion is if you have no idea how socialism works. Explain to me why you think it is tyrannical. And dont say it leads to communism.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle You want me to sort out your beliefs? If you cant then how the hell am i suppose to? And your the one who supports tyranny. Socialism is the opposite of tyranny that puts the power in the hands of the people. Where workers and state profit from their labour instead of a handfull of people who get fat off the work of average people aka tyrants.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 Was THAT a joke? You wrote, "Socialism is the opposite of tyranny that puts the power in the hands of the people" Its' so absurd is laughable. You ACTUALLY believe THAT??? WOW! I mean WWWOW!
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle actually he's right. socialism IS the opposite of tyranny. but false socialism IS tyranny. just as false capitalism is corporatism. and false christianity is xianity. I mean think about it. Billions of people may claim to be christian. so if they follow christian values then where is our heaven on earth. get it?
alvisc2002 1 year ago
@alvisc2002 Sounds like a group consensus, Socialism is in fact “opposite of Tyranny”. Great! The problem is you guys are creeping me out. Like in the movie “Yes Man”, walking into the large meeting and compelled by peer pressure to agree with the psycho on stage. Pshycho will then say, “SOCIALISM…(echo) IS OPPOSITE OF INSANITY (echo) :D
Check out 'Socialism is Modern Slavery' on YT, you will see a graphic from 'Yes Man' at 1:58
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle You really are an idiot. I didnt quote you saying 'an aim of socialism is to provide free healthcare'. It is an actual aim of socialism. How long are you going to talk shit before actually learning what exactly it is that your against here?
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 Oh, you got me there. LOL You were SO clear about what I meant then what you pointed to be some fact that it sort of melded together. You really ought to sort out what you believe and what I believe and dont' confuse the two. Kay? And stop with the childish insults, they are tiresome. My point all along is you support Tyranny in the name of Liberty. You probably bought the notion that HC is a "right" or similar language, Mr. Manchild! And don't call me names, only I get to! :)
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle I'm not a young lady. So perhaps you might like to try find someone young and gullible to listen to your mindless rubbish. And your done with me for the fourth time? Lol trying to bail out on a high are we. Your getting the hang of the joke thing. Problem is people are suppose to laugh with ya and not at ya. Ya might want to work on that.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 "find some gullible". I did! YOU! You have demonstrated you live beyond reality and common sense. Thought I could help you out, but you can't deal with reality. I'm laughing AT YOU. I don't care if others don't join in or question what I find funny. Who cares? Anyhow, I"m SPITTIN MAD...I'M DONE WITH YOU...FOR THE TENTH TIME!!!!!! Hows that? any better? Whah? It's nah funny? Too bad. :D
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle One last comment. You just showed how clueless you are in your last comment. You think socialism is forcing people to buy health insurance? One of the main aims of socialism is to provide free healthcare for everyone. For the third time do some fucking research before throwing around your ill informed, idiotic little statements. Cant screen the posts to suit yourself like ya do on your own channel.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 LOL I'm "clueless" again. LOL It's a fact, it's not what "I think". Our system is experiencing what is called "soft" Tyranny". You ought to do the research on its ill effects. It DESTROYS LIBERTY. You want both Liberty & Tyranny, but they DON'T MIX. Gov't run HC is TYRANNICAL. Duh! That's factual. But you object therefore it's "idiotic". What is your problem? Can't think beyond all that spoon-fed liberal indoctrination? (sigh) And watch your language young lady!
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@Sundance540 Socialism, if you hadn't figured out, is a transition from capitalism to communism. Where the "collective" will eventually be treated "fairly". But, that "fairness" is a fairy tale, one that you apparently and foolishly believe in. You epitomize the word clueless. I'm done with you for the 4th time!!!!! Ohhh, the cheek of you people!
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@Sundance540 And, no. I didn't say, "One of the main aims of socialism is to provide free healthcare for everybody". I'll spell it out for you. Socialism exists only by overtaking over private institutions, like health care. France has finally, after 50 years, returned health care to the private sector...where it belongs! They learned a gov't takeover solves nothing. But somehow, elites in our Gov't have convinced folks we are "better" with this 2.7k page pile-o-crap HC "reform" (takeover).
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle I'm sick of argueing with ya. Every point you make is borderline idiotic. Sort out what your views are and figure out how to get your points across clearly. And a little research on other peoples views would also be good. Until then i.m not wasting my time reading your ill informed, childish jibberish. P.s i dont hate you but it saddens me greatly that after millions of years of evolution people like you are the end result. Bit of a waste of time.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 Wow! "I'm wasting" YOUR time? LOL You come off as Mr. sophistication and I'm "childish". You think forcing NY firefighters to participate in a gay parade is "LIBERTY"? I'll bet you do, it's only moral in your fantasy world. You also agree that gov't has the right to punish individuals that refuse to buy health insurance, huh?. That's "LIBERTY"? You are either clueless or think others are. We The People object to this BS, and we are not cowering to your progressive dictates.
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle I'd give the jokes a miss if i was you, ya dont really have the knack for it. And your main argument is based around this 'ism' thing. Perhaps you could clarify what you mean by 'the problem with socialism is social-ism' . And calling someone a sheep for going against popular opinion is a bit of an oxymoron isnt it? And there is quite a bit of difference between knowing the definition of the word socialism and knowing how it actually works.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 Do you prehaps subscribe to the...(no joke here)...Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals, rule # 12? You are very quick and serious about insulting those that don't agree with your ideology. I provided clues laced with humor, which you apparently didn't appreciate. But rule # 12 is: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@Sundance540 Don't get me wrong, I don't hate you. Seems you hate me. I just think people like you are very rigid in your belief that America must transform into something "better". As in Socialism. Anything is better than free enterprise system and the individual freedom we were born into. As I explained to you already' Capital-iSTS are the problem in Capital-ISM...it's political figures that exploit the system with their "good intentions" & extort wealth to pay for entitlement programs.
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@Sundance540 "actually knowing how it (Socialism) works" Again, no joke here; Socialism does NOT work. That's been my point. I'll repeat some facts; Socialism has failed EVERYWHERE AND EVERYTIME it's been foisted upon a society. In 1883, the people in the Socialist Republic of Germany were stuck with nationalized Healthcare by Bizmark. Their rights were diminished in that instant. That's NOT a solution if the goal is to protect individual freedom. But you seem to think its just wundebar!
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle As i said do a little research on socialism because you clearly havent got a clue what it is. You were probably told commies are bad when you were a kid and rather than read about it and form your own opinion you just took it as fact. And your one man war against the 'progressives' is getting old. If your gonna try and argue a redundant point try and be clear. Your attempt at sounding like an intellectual isnt impressing anyone.
Sundance540 1 year ago
@Sundance540 LOL You funny! But saying that Socialism is good is unintelligent. Its a charade. Commies aren't bad, they are worse...as in brutal dictatorships. Recall Tienanmen Square massacre? Apparently, you were taught to be a good widdle socialist. BTW, I DO know the definition of this ISM, but my point is to convey that people are sheeple to believe in principles that deviate from foundational principles of Liberty, which includes free enterprise. Marxism and Socialism THREATEN Liberty.
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@Sundance540 Hey, it's about time you "do a little research" on Socialism, because for some reason you still think it's the "cat's meow". I'll even send you some cat food to help sustain you while you study. It shouldn't take long...that is if you have a logical mindset and a sufficient IQ to help your understand reality. You will have to go out of your liberal MSNBC/ABC/CNN/NPR comfort zone, but I'm rooting for ya! LOL
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
So, Oprah becomes a multi-billionaire (her last show was about handing out useless palstic junk to her private studio of hand picked guests who acted like it was life support) and Phil Donahue, having real shows like this ends up where exactly? WTF is wrong with Americans and why are they so anti-enlightenment?
venuecam 1 year ago
eliminate profit and you eliminate greed or the greater part of it anyway. To accept and defend the fact that the world runs on greed showes nothing more than this mans lack of integrity. The reason other socialist systems have collapsed is not because they have failed but because they have not been allowed to succeed.
Sundance540 1 year ago 2
@Sundance540 Amen! I thought I was the only one who was thinking this while watching. This the definition of the conservative, captialist, cynic that runs the new global economy.
hovadude 1 year ago
@Sundance540 Eliminating profit will do no such thing, it's all hype. It's just part of the class envy narrative which targets rich people some evil enemy...and uses the term "social injustice" to shame them & drums up hatred, And progressives have used this line of indoctrination with some success on young (naive) students. Like I've said before, the problem with Socialism is Social-ISM. This ISM invites political corruption and tyranny as it depletes individuals of dignity and wealth.
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@Sundance540 And you are just the perfect (100% integrity) political operatives to implement the finest, most bestest form ever know to bless this world. My advice, try it in Cuba, it couldn't hurt there...they need some thin...it's been years since Che, you know the guy who tormented both gays and Catholics...and the gay catholics too! Yet, he is a legend in the USA! Viva la (Che) Revolucion! Yeah! You could replace him, since he wasn't quite "perfect" enough.
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@Sundance540 eliminate profit (let say 90-99% tax for richest ppl) and somehow your factories suddenly move to china.
how do you allow to succeed socialist system??
socialist ppl dont know how to add and subtract but they dont know how to divide and multiply.
sebek23b 1 year ago
@sebek23b Thanks! I was the lone voice speaking against this socialist nonsense until you arrived. Careful, you burst these folks' utopian world and they go age crap. I think you sent ole sun-dance over the edge. Yesterday, I told him to "button his piehole"...but he went on a tirade. Only the delusional can be so passionate about something so ridiculous as socialism in this "perfect world". Margaret Thatcher said, "THE PROBLEM WITH SOCIALISM IS THEY EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES $".
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
Freidman teaches us here his unbridled cynicism of human nature that underscores his theory of free market capitalism. Its not even ordinary cynicism; its cynicism as a newly reconstituted ideal, in which surface greed displays evidence of human integrity, because that’s ‘all you got’ and it would be simply counterfactual to argue in any other way. What a very dismal social scientist.
johnsammyanfal 1 year ago
I like the question, "is political self-interest more noble than economic self-interest?" Seems that those dependent on Gov't are beholden to their "angels" (progressives), who will game the system to retain their power. They are the ruling class, however progressives have infiltrated both parties...obviously one has more than the other. Until we rid our DC of progressives, our nation is stuck on stupid and spending us further into financial ruin...thanks to liberal "Political self-interest"
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle economic self-interest IS political self-interest. Progressivism hasn't been viewed positively in American politics since JFK. However, American's themselves want progressivism as bad as they wanted revenge after 911. Just like republicans crying 911 to get elected, the democrats where able to cry hope. However though don't be naive enough to think that anyone with an R or a D beside their name has any progress in mind. They're all just protecting the economic self interest.
coletrainwvu 1 year ago
@coletrainwvu Nice try, but your arguments do not correlate and are illogical.
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle explanation?
coletrainwvu 1 year ago
Explain? (sigh) "Americans want progressivism..." To equate such ambition with avenging terror is awkward at best. And “We The People” absolutely REJECT progressivism, which has made our nation broke. Hint: national election 2010. The UK is broke under similar circumstances.
Wrong about the term, it has nothing to do with progress in a beneficial sense. And a majority of D’s & many R’s are indeed progressives. It’s the status quo in DC that marks who this corrupt political ruling class is.
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle progressiveness in American politics has been centered around providing social equalities and protecting the environment. For example: the women's suffrage movement, the national park act, repealing the Jim Crow laws, gay marriage, and certain parts of health care. Most Americans reject the oligarchy that currently controls America and thrives off rampant deregulation and unaccountability.
As for the elections, check out who fit the bill for your anti-progressives.
coletrainwvu 1 year ago
@coletrainwvu And you call ME the "moron". LOL That's a bunch of progressives-are-wonderful hype, but when it comes to the destruction of real Liberty; people like you cite all the "good intentions" of social (entitlement) programs that perhaps are worth some "amicable trade-off" in your world. You don't live in, or anywhere near, reality. Good day, Lassie.
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle Government having it's hand in peoples day to day affairs by relegating who they can and can't marry is a REAL obstruction of liberty, not government using a minor portion of it's budget to provide better and needed health care to 911 responders, many of whom who actually work for the government.
At no point have I called you a "moron". You're loosing a debate because instead of researching the topics and having articulate responses, your rambling off insults and talking points.
coletrainwvu 1 year ago
@coletrainwvu Adhering to traditional marriage is not an "obstruction to Liberty". And it's absurd to say gov't uses a "minor portion" of it's budget on entitlements. Entitlements are the problem, NOT a solution...not at ANY price. That's the problem, people think the Fed is all about playing some sort of nanny. The reality is nanny has no business pushing private citizens around based on frivolity and wayward agendas. I humbly admit, you are right about one thing, you didn't call me a name.
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle government only allowing traditional marriage clearly conflicts with the first amendment and is an obvious obstruction to our freedom of religion. And yea, the government would use a minor portion of it's budget to cover 911 responders. I never mentioned that America should cover ALL entitlements. I'll agree with you that entitlements, if not closely watched, can be a bad thing in any form. However, government is not the only institution that provides entitlements.
coletrainwvu 1 year ago
@coletrainwvu Nice theories and ideology, how 'bout some reality...I keep waiting and waiting for something sane that dignifies a response.
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle the first amendment is not a "theory" it's a law that protects all of your rights as an American.
In all honesty, nothing that you've posted, thus far, has been even remotely grounded reality and has been subjectively-ideological in its entirety. None of it truly merits a response. However, I just don't like it when people try to bully other people by calling them names and attempt to belittle them or their convictions with propagandist rhetoric.
coletrainwvu 1 year ago
@coletrainwvu It's very telling that you claim you have won a debate here. Wow, how arrogant can a liberal elite be? It's laughable. You think your beliefs and your "solutions" are healthy for a nation? Of coarse you do, b/c America must be punished for creating so much wealth to allow private citizens to be independent from an otherwise authoritarian govt. However, things have changed, progressives have infiltrated the system and threaten even a person's right to his own property. Progress!
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
@VideoSeattle liberal elite? Why is elite a bad thing furthermore why do you see incompetence as a virtue? Also, you're making tons of large assumptions about me and about "America being punished"? No one ever said that people shouldn't be allowed to own property, I have no idea where you're getting that from. Also, you have a wildly twisted idea of what progressiveness is and the hubris of your rhetoric is entirely reminiscent of Glenn Beck. In short, you need to learn to think for yourself.
coletrainwvu 1 year ago
I am waiting for someone to answer Mr. Friedman's question.
Where in the world are these angels going to come from that are going to organize society for us?
The answer is there aren't any.
Darkrunner1975 1 year ago
@Darkrunner1975 Those "angels" are PROGRESSIVES...the fringe that controlled Congress from 2006-10 and the Oval from 2009-present. They are the very worst of the liberal elite, who grow gov't by "moving forward" entitlement programs that supposedly "help". Instead, the needy put their hands out and the system enslaves them. It's the modern slavery, and taxpayers are forced to fund it. Yet, a large majority of taxpayers don't share the Marxist ideology of redistribution (theft) of wealth.
VideoSeattle 1 year ago
IF you don't have this, those who are charitable can never combat the issues that face a country. People will always be slaves to there jobs that they think is empowering when it is surpressing. The very company you work for has only one motive. PROFIT. when they find a cheaper alternative you are long gone. Then the consumers buy into the cheap bullshit and end up with aweful lives of servatude. The world is no longer about good ideas. If there is any innovation in capitalism it is to make shit
criticlyminded 1 year ago
One can forfill there best intrest by meeting there society half way. If the citizens are insured in every way, there can never be worries for the society at large. It costs far less for everyone and people are happier and more productive. He dosn't realize that many socialist leaning countries in Europe are world economic powerhouses for their size and are happier societies that porduce MUCH better ideas. They don't cut corners and produce bullshit, unlike us who do the opposite. MILTON FAIL!
criticlyminded 1 year ago
@criticlyminded World Econmic powerhouses?? You mean like Portugal, Spain and Greece?????
kandy1958 1 year ago
@kandy1958 The last time I checked Germany, France, Great Britain, The Netherlands, Denmark, norway, and the most sucsessful of them all, Sweden, are in Europe, All of whitch have more stable, and profitable economies. They are happy, and they are healthy, they have shorter work weeks, and they are able to be very progressive as a result. Portugual, Spain and Greece dont hold a candle to the mess the US is in.
criticlyminded 1 year ago
@criticlyminded Last time you checked?? What the hell did you check? The Progressive evening news??? Wake up man!!
kandy1958 1 year ago
Only if we all of us were Jesus, we might have a shot at a fully 'fair' society.
Lolznator 1 year ago
The way in which wealth is distributed, is not a reflection of the system. It's a reflection of the soul of mankind. People by nature are self-oriented. Basic survival instincts, a residue of evolution - everyone wants to be a winner.
We don't want equal division of wealth. Because it prevents us from taking a shot at becoming succesful, becoming a winner. For, how can we ever be a winner if everyone is equally succesful? To make winners, you need lots of losers. That's what I think, at least
Lolznator 1 year ago
There is a difference between a social democracy, and socialist society, where it has to be regulated at the end of a gun.
Stalin. Pol Pot. Mao.
All variations on the same political philosophy.
I don't mind working 100 hours a week, to build a business, but if I knew that my work was going to be paid as much as the guy doing nothing..guess what, I'm gonna do nothing.
I'll sit on my ass and watch television. Everyone else will take care of me.
Darkrunner1975 1 year ago
why socialism fails!! but einstein just said Why Socialism? did u read Enstein's article Why Socialism !!! please read !!! there is an audiobook on youtube about it.
esraretin 1 year ago