Form always follows function. Raised panels and rail/stile construction all has a purpose.. There is no purpose in turning large portions of solid MDF back into carcinogenic dust just to make something that sort-of LOOKS LIKE a raised panel /rail-stile construction. Like every other faux finish, it's completely pointless.
This is not sustainable,it is not ecological, it's not fun for the worker no matter how much vacuums and filters you have and the client gets something he needs to replace very often instead of leaving it to its grandchildren.
What is the point of a mdf frame and panel?The frame and panel look come from a need for expansion in solid wood otherwise is just fake decoration and hassle to get kitchen dirt out of molding and corners? Mdf is good for straight minimal panels but it moves like hell so the only usage would very well insulated substrate.It is bad that you have to crank up i don't know how many mdf garbage furniture that will be unusable in a few years of moisture to be able to pay for the expensive CNC.
As a cabinetmaker for over 20 years, I still hate MDF. It has some specific uses that it is exceptional for, but it still (as a traditional woodworker) pisses me off when ya see this garbage in a store and its sold a "real" or "solid" wood. Nothing personal to latham, its just an observation I have seen too many people buy into. Your video, comments, work ethic and abilities seem very solid and I wish you the best. I just CRINGE when i see garbage "solid wood" furniture or cabinets.
Pretty amazing to watch and to read comments about the virtue of high spec tooling and MDF compared to more traditional methods. i recognise a buisnessman you need to offer both, as you have said. No doubt you prefer a wooden door.
And here I am in the UK renovating and old house and need to learn how to route a door...so to fit in panels.
It is an "emulated" raised panel door. I used to make these doors with a jig and 2 router bits. The CNC does a much faster and better job. It even does the sharp outside corner where the fake style and rail would cross!
Yeah, I've worked with MDF before. It makes too much of a mess and is an extremely hazardous material for breathing. Messed up the shop something awful, I'll never use it again. Any savings you make in the purchase price cost you in clean up and painting preps. Still, I'd like to have the C&C machine to save repetitions in cutting.
I'm curious how you got the finished corners above the outer quarter round on the interior section of the panel, was it hand finished?
My only gripe with routing panels like that is interior corners have an inherent radii from the cutter profile. On the flip side, that is just another look, and in some cases could be very appropriate. Looks like a nice NC router setup.
There is 3 different toolpathes, the panel route, the stile and rail route, and then a small 1/8" route to clean up the corners. This gives you that square corner look, even though it's a 1/16" radius. Some guys use a square chisel to make them perfect, but I am satisfied with our outcome.
Very good looking doors! I saw some your other bids as well! I own a custom furniture business in Nashville TN. I would love to talk to you about ordering doors from you if youre interested. I dont know how big of an operation you run but I am usually use 4-12 doors a week. I still have hand routers and as you can imagine its a very very dusty mess. One that I would love to not have to do!! I will see if I can send you a message on here and I will send you my phone number.
I'm not sure if you have found someone to make your doors, but I would be interested. Send me an email with your specs to brian at lathamcabinets d o t com.
No doubt you can do a good looking job. But all the old time cabnet makers who took pride in their work are taking all their know how with them. Alot of people like this sort of thing but I think its shamefull that theres hardly anyone building things the way it used to be. One time everything was made strong with proper joints and made to last. Now all the cabnets I see at realy high prices are not half as good as what a good cabnet maker was putting out 30 years ago.
My grandfather started our company 40 years ago. We still use 99% of all of his old school methods and joinery to this day. I've always said that you have to have cut and made all of these things by hand before using a CNC. Kind of like long division and calculators. I can ensure you that this machine took no ones place. I use it to put icing on the cake of our hand crafted furniture. There is a lot of hand sanding and carving even after the CNC is done. Thanks.
@911warthog You certainly know a lot about woodworking, are you not concerned with the highly carcinogenic and otherwise toxic nature oh most hardwoods, especially some of the more exotic woods? MDF is relatively harmless compared.
@x65535x Excellent point my friend. Everyone working with wood should avoid dust as much as possible. Relatively harmless is another argument altogether because each wood and chemical acts on a human body in different ways
just bought a cnc router but having problems designing projects on the laptop. Would really apreciate some help or advice on where i could get tuition from
Once again the dust hood was removed to show how the router works. When we use it everyday it has the dust hood on and there is virtually no dust. Part 2 will have the dust hood in place to clear this up. Keep on the lookout for part 2.
@lathamcabinets That was fast! Great work. For all you other dorks that comment before fully watching the video. Stop and smell the flowers or MDF sawdust.
Thanks for the advise. I can tell that you are real professional. This is a simple door for a reason. If you like the intricate work I suggest you look at the other "fancy" doors that I have posted.
thats cheating, but hey if i could afford that machine i would cheat too
tmghn1 6 days ago
Form always follows function. Raised panels and rail/stile construction all has a purpose.. There is no purpose in turning large portions of solid MDF back into carcinogenic dust just to make something that sort-of LOOKS LIKE a raised panel /rail-stile construction. Like every other faux finish, it's completely pointless.
moucon 1 week ago
That is soooo cheating lol.
wingmanalive 3 weeks ago 2
This is not sustainable,it is not ecological, it's not fun for the worker no matter how much vacuums and filters you have and the client gets something he needs to replace very often instead of leaving it to its grandchildren.
grigorachis 3 weeks ago
What is the point of a mdf frame and panel?The frame and panel look come from a need for expansion in solid wood otherwise is just fake decoration and hassle to get kitchen dirt out of molding and corners? Mdf is good for straight minimal panels but it moves like hell so the only usage would very well insulated substrate.It is bad that you have to crank up i don't know how many mdf garbage furniture that will be unusable in a few years of moisture to be able to pay for the expensive CNC.
grigorachis 3 weeks ago
As a cabinetmaker for over 20 years, I still hate MDF. It has some specific uses that it is exceptional for, but it still (as a traditional woodworker) pisses me off when ya see this garbage in a store and its sold a "real" or "solid" wood. Nothing personal to latham, its just an observation I have seen too many people buy into. Your video, comments, work ethic and abilities seem very solid and I wish you the best. I just CRINGE when i see garbage "solid wood" furniture or cabinets.
tconst17 1 month ago
Pretty amazing to watch and to read comments about the virtue of high spec tooling and MDF compared to more traditional methods. i recognise a buisnessman you need to offer both, as you have said. No doubt you prefer a wooden door.
And here I am in the UK renovating and old house and need to learn how to route a door...so to fit in panels.
chesterarebest 4 months ago
It is an "emulated" raised panel door. I used to make these doors with a jig and 2 router bits. The CNC does a much faster and better job. It even does the sharp outside corner where the fake style and rail would cross!
mississauga0909 4 months ago
cheater
smellmyfartgas 6 months ago
you suck
gubranalryashy 7 months ago
Yeah, I've worked with MDF before. It makes too much of a mess and is an extremely hazardous material for breathing. Messed up the shop something awful, I'll never use it again. Any savings you make in the purchase price cost you in clean up and painting preps. Still, I'd like to have the C&C machine to save repetitions in cutting.
franlovessteve 7 months ago
I'm curious how you got the finished corners above the outer quarter round on the interior section of the panel, was it hand finished?
My only gripe with routing panels like that is interior corners have an inherent radii from the cutter profile. On the flip side, that is just another look, and in some cases could be very appropriate. Looks like a nice NC router setup.
x65535x 9 months ago
@x65535x Thanks for the comment and kind words.
There is 3 different toolpathes, the panel route, the stile and rail route, and then a small 1/8" route to clean up the corners. This gives you that square corner look, even though it's a 1/16" radius. Some guys use a square chisel to make them perfect, but I am satisfied with our outcome.
lathamcabinets 7 months ago
Very good looking doors! I saw some your other bids as well! I own a custom furniture business in Nashville TN. I would love to talk to you about ordering doors from you if youre interested. I dont know how big of an operation you run but I am usually use 4-12 doors a week. I still have hand routers and as you can imagine its a very very dusty mess. One that I would love to not have to do!! I will see if I can send you a message on here and I will send you my phone number.
BlueGooseCustom 10 months ago
@BlueGooseCustom
I'm not sure if you have found someone to make your doors, but I would be interested. Send me an email with your specs to brian at lathamcabinets d o t com.
Thanks
lathamcabinets 7 months ago
No doubt you can do a good looking job. But all the old time cabnet makers who took pride in their work are taking all their know how with them. Alot of people like this sort of thing but I think its shamefull that theres hardly anyone building things the way it used to be. One time everything was made strong with proper joints and made to last. Now all the cabnets I see at realy high prices are not half as good as what a good cabnet maker was putting out 30 years ago.
Teadrinker4 10 months ago 2
@Teadrinker4
My grandfather started our company 40 years ago. We still use 99% of all of his old school methods and joinery to this day. I've always said that you have to have cut and made all of these things by hand before using a CNC. Kind of like long division and calculators. I can ensure you that this machine took no ones place. I use it to put icing on the cake of our hand crafted furniture. There is a lot of hand sanding and carving even after the CNC is done. Thanks.
lathamcabinets 7 months ago 3
MDF is full of formaldehyde, work with hardwood instead my friend
911warthog 11 months ago
@911warthog, you know what happens when you assume. This was a green MDF, that contains no Formaldehyde or Urea.
lathamcabinets 11 months ago
@911warthog You certainly know a lot about woodworking, are you not concerned with the highly carcinogenic and otherwise toxic nature oh most hardwoods, especially some of the more exotic woods? MDF is relatively harmless compared.
x65535x 9 months ago
@x65535x Excellent point my friend. Everyone working with wood should avoid dust as much as possible. Relatively harmless is another argument altogether because each wood and chemical acts on a human body in different ways
911warthog 9 months ago
boy tht must be one powerful router!!!
fishproet 1 year ago
Nice machine, nice work. Cough! Splutter!
08hamster 1 year ago
Dey tuk r job!!! LMAO
89REvil 1 year ago
just bought a cnc router but having problems designing projects on the laptop. Would really apreciate some help or advice on where i could get tuition from
gary22514 1 year ago
These machines from the FUTURE are takin' our jobs!
Dey tuk r jobs!
Dekur der!
MBCon18 1 year ago
Once again the dust hood was removed to show how the router works. When we use it everyday it has the dust hood on and there is virtually no dust. Part 2 will have the dust hood in place to clear this up. Keep on the lookout for part 2.
lathamcabinets 1 year ago
@lathamcabinets That was fast! Great work. For all you other dorks that comment before fully watching the video. Stop and smell the flowers or MDF sawdust.
caribourain 1 year ago
I agree with the guy below.... door in seconds.... clean up in hours!
n00448198 1 year ago 2
Wheres the dust extraction ?, wouldn`t want to work in that environment
fergawdsache 2 years ago
I removed it for the video, yes it was very messy. If you look at more recent videos of mine, you will see the the dust hood. Thanks for the comment,
lathamcabinets 2 years ago
That is actually pretty good considering it only took like 35 seconds to make.
napsternova 2 years ago
I just watched them. They look great.
rayswizzy 2 years ago
That's thee ugliest raised panel I have ever seen. What a waste of time & machinery! I suggest you invest in more bits and enhance your tool paths.
rayswizzy 2 years ago
Thanks for the advise. I can tell that you are real professional. This is a simple door for a reason. If you like the intricate work I suggest you look at the other "fancy" doors that I have posted.
lathamcabinets 2 years ago