I am truly sorry for any pain that came Japan's way, but the emperor of Japan started the war. Blame your own people, not the USA. Even if we did give a demonstation to its effect, I guarantee the emperor would have called our bluff and said I dare you while thousands more of our boys were killed by the Japanese. You should have never bombed Pear Harbor, and none of it would have happened. Sure they were soldiers, not civilians, but they were people with family's who loved them.
As usual, the Japs only care about its own so-called victims of the atomic bombing, but never about the millions of innocent victims of Imperial Japan that invaded, occupied, killed, raped, raided, enslaved in East Asia. It's no different from the Nazis who claimed themselves to be victims, rather than the war criminals that they really were.
I don't give a fuck about these japshow many americans were killed in pearl harbor we didn't do it to ourselves them japs did fuck you guys that sat we did wrong
@clbrnkmn Yeahhhhh sooo many more Japanese were killed. Most of them weren't even soliders. We didn't have to drop an atomic bomb on them. We have so many enemies and such a bad reputation in the first place because we can't mind our own fucking business. We believe the whole world is at our heels and it's clearly not.
It's really sad that some people will see this and hear the voices and will still turn their noses and be cruel about it. Even complain, saying, "Who cares? It was many years ago, it's done with, get over it."
But the real message isn't to just keep Japan safe, but the whole world for the future. No one deserves to be killed, especially like this.
@littledudemark5 What would you have them do? Japan attacked first and after numerous attempts to coerce a surrender they refused. They even still refused after the 1st was dropped. Just as many lives would have been lost if there was an invasion.
not to sound rude or offensive or anything, legitament question here..how is he a survivor? i mean i guess this guy could be in his late 60s but if he was exposed to that much radiation wouldnt he not survive that long after?
Cant we let the past be the past?! Be glad things like these (both what the japs did and wat US did) didnt happen to u! Let the past be the past! Learn from our mistakes! What our ancestors, and their ancestors did have no business with us. Let us make a change! Peace!
think of what the japs do to POW and civilians in Asia throughout the WWII
toxic gas chamber tests , freezing limbs with liquid nitrogen and shattering it with hammers , removing kidneys and livers while a person is awake and alive, and stabbing pregnant women with bayonets just to see if they can stick the fetus out!
@xwolfxwoodx The thing with the atomic bombs is that if you are one of the direct victims, you have only around 50% chance to get killed instantly or fast enough. The other 50% is that you'll be badly burned and be alive for some time ( even days ) before you die in agony.. or you may be not so badly burned, but heavily irradiated. In this case you will probably die in a week or month.
In my opinion, if Pal and lindberg still alive,shitty mess will be solved peacefully.they will say the Neutrials treaty was abosolutely technically violated by JB355.It meams that it was not War but criminals using 2 atomic bomb to steal their skulls and gold teeths and to protect western colonialism.
ὁλόκαυστον holokauston.therefore ye ll reserve title as from human to animal until ye died as Apocalypse Now until return back skulls. Judge not that ye be not judged.
Americans are responsible for the disaster, using a conventional bomb It would take few days to destroy an entire city... A single bomb destroyed an entire city and killed 200 thousand people. 9/11 is nothing comparing to this... Americans were trying something new, it is ridiculous how this decision came into play.
I dont think atomic bombs should exist .but they should listen to some of the american stories told by our solders who fought and died in our nations name and the voices of there children.
I dont think atomic bombs should exist .but they should listen to some of the american stories told by our solders who fought and died in our nations name and the voices of there children.
I dont think atomic bombs should exist .but they should listen to some of the american stories told by our solders who fought and died in our nations name and the voices of there children.
The man in this video was a child when the bomb was dropped. Even if one believes in reincarnation- most believe that reincarnation purfies the soul, how could a child be to blame enough to expose them to such a horror? If we lose compassion even for little helpless children we will all lose our souls and there will be no hope for the future. If the point was that surviving children might perhaps promote peace, then, let US be grateful this man realized this, and lets welcome his love.
Furthermore.. anyone who totally denounces the content in this video, which just in case you didn't notice, advocates "no nukes". Please think about the fact that if you're do so, you are likely to be saying "yes nukes" i.e wishing for even more cities to be destroyed, even more lives lost, even more death. Are you willing to be responsible for that? or do you think that the life of a person you don't know is worth less than those who you DO know? Try thinking about that, and get a bit mature!
there is no reason to advocate MORE violence... seriously..
someone commented that they would be happy if america was nuked. what is the point if MORE die? Is it worth that much to prove a point? onthe other hand, it isn't like america is innocent either with all the war going on.the world is frankly (i know i sound a bit arrogant saying this, but it needs to be said) acting like a bunch of children fighting in a playground. violence violence and more pointless bloody violence. stop it already!
Sooner or later one will detonate a nuclear bomb in America's cities. When that happens I am REALY happy. Whether the terrorists or the U.S. government was it on 911. I do not care. It looked as beautiful as the civil population in panic ran away. So the Americans at least knew how it is when someone mass murder in seconds
These motherfuckers, I don't feel sorry at all for those victims! Young, old, men, women, babies, I wished there had been more lethal bombs dropped in more cities! They fucking deserved it as their fellows Japs had done to other people' victims in Asia! I fucking hate them!
Innocent people are always the casualties of war. These are more than likely the stories of the innocent families and victims. Not the ones who were doing the bs to the chinese and philipines. You are comparing some with all... thats like saying all christians and catholics are pedophiles, and all muslims are suicide bombers. The US gov't is corrupt and FUBAR. But the people, the families who despise their own gov't arent the ones to blame.......
I've been watching several of these videos and still can't believe there is so little compassion and much hate against the victims and survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs as if they where these evil monsters that must be blamed. I see no difference between this and blaming the victims of 911 for the atrocities that the US government has done and continues doing around the world specially the middle east.
@nerdotron - The victims of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic and conventional bombings, mass murdered by the US government, had very little control over their political class, even less to what the victims of 911 had over the Bush administration, yet the victims of 911 are remembered with love whereas the victims in Japan are remembered with hate and disdain, even the pilots who dropped the bombs express no remorse. I wish people could see beyond this hypocrisy.
@nerdotron - The American govn't has also started many wars, tortured, raped, humiliated and murdered millions of people and invaded Asia, yet when 911 happened everyone blames Al-Qaida not the American government.
If you believe the Japan govn't is responsible for the deaths of quarter million Japanese civilians during all WWII US bombings, then surely you won't have problem with the idea that the US govn't is responsible for 911 and not Al-Qaida. Otherwise is just another double standard
My position: i'm against imperialism. please don't judge me so lightly.
i'm just saying that japan CANNOT call themselves victims. They started invading asia and that torturing, raping, humilliating and murdering innocent people. Yes they got first bombed and then nuked. If this happens to USA one day, i'll think the same i think about japan but with different names.
not everybody in USA or japan supported or supports the war.
@nerdotron Tu logica lleva a la conclusion de que el gobierno de USA es responsable de los atentados del 11-sep, debido a su imperialismo. Si es correcto mi entender, al menos eres consistente en tu logica. Pero el verdadero perpetrador del 11-sep es al-qaida, y el de las bombas en Japon: el gobierno de USA, y el de las violaciones y asesinatos en China: el gobierno de Japon. Parece que estas justificando la matanza de miles de inocentes en venganza a las acciones cometidas por los gobiernos
Ni el gobierno japonés ni el de los USA son hermanitas de la caridad.
dices "Independientemente de la escusa, los justos siempre pagan por los pecadores."
estoy completamente de acuerdo.
Aún así te recomiendo que te reseñes sobre la posición diplomática actual de japón con respecto a sus crímenes en el resto de asia. Y también te recomiendo que te reseñes sobre esos crímenes que los japoneses cometieron en asia y que a menudo olvidamos en occidente.
@nerdotron que tal, no creo que mi punto se este dando a entender correctamente, no apoyo a ningun gobierno ni grupo hostil. Deja lo pongo de esta otra forma. Tu apoyarias que callera una bomba en mi vecindario y matara a mi familia y a mi debido a que las personas que me gobiernan son los mas despotas del mundo?
por supuesto que no apoyaría el bombardeo de tu barrio por mucho que la gente que te gobierne sean déspotas.
Lo que tampoco estoy de acuerdo es que japón ignore a las victimas del resto de asia.
para mi japón (el gobierno) NO puede considerarse víctima.
La gente de hiroshima y nagasaki (y tokyo) que NO apoyaron al régimen y NO niegan lo que japón hizo en el resto de asia SI son víctimas. Los que SI apoyaron la expansion japonesa NO lo son.
para mi el gobierno de los USA no fue justo al detonar las bombas. por favor mira la alternativa llamada "operación downfall". hay un artículo muy bueno en la wikipedia.
a mi la doctrina que tengas me da igual, sin embargo si tu barrio esta masacrando a otro barrio, me parecería necesario pararlo.
para tí el gobierno de japón fue justo al masacrar al resto de asiáticos, o violar 24 h al dia 7 dias por semana a las esclavas sexuales?
el problema es complicado, no es tan simple como bombardear tu barrio: si tu barrio sigue determinado en luchar, el equivalente real sería bombardear una calle poco poblada de tu barrio (hiroshima o nagasaki) para demostrar el potencial destructor y que de esta manera se rindan y asi no tener bombardear la zona más poblada (tokyo, osaka) para luego entrar completamente con infantería y artilleria en tu barrio hasta que no quedase ni un solo vecino tuyo en pie.
@nerdotron muy bien, ahora hablemos de victimas ya que haz definido mas o menos certeramente quienes son (ejemplo: ni~nos y grupos de oposicion), me podrias decir si tu apoyarias a que mi barrio fuera bombardeado aun si mi UNICO "crimen" es apoyar ideologicamente el regimen gubernamental debido a mi indoctrinacion cultural. Parece que tu respuesta es si, podrias confirmar o negar?
si tu barrio APOYA la masacre de otros barrios y tu alcalde ya habiendo sido avisado continua masacrando sin importarle el destino de sus ciudadanos, no veo problema en que sea bombardeado si de este modo acaba la barbarie.
Hirohito debió pensar menos en su propia gloria y más en cuidar mejor de su gente.
"si mi UNICO "crimen" es apoyar ideologicamente el regimen gubernamental debido a mi indoctrinacion cultural. Parece que tu respuesta es si, podrias confirmar o negar?"
SI, sólo si extermina, viola y humilla a otros pueblos.
Solo te digo que si japón hubiese tenido la bomba, hoy día no existirían los estados unidos.
sin embargo hoy día japón existe, con su cultura y costumbres, y es más, a Hirohito, uno de los mayores criminales de la historia se le perdonó la vida.
Entonces tu ideologia no es muy diferente a los del Al-Qaida. Ellos lanzaron dos aviones contra 2,000 personas que ellos CREEN que estan apoyando el regimen gubernamental de los Estados Unidos en su entender: violaciones, genocidio, tortura, etc. Si tu crees que mi barrio merece ser bombardeado por esto entonces tu y yo no tenemos nada mas que discutir.
@nerdotron la verdad no sé. me gusta creer en la regla de oro de "no hagas a otros lo que no quieres que te hagan", pero si veo los acontecimientos del 11-sep atravez de tu logica del castigo colectivo entonces veo que al-qaida tambien hizo lo "correcto", lo cual no estoy de acuerdo. A mi no me gustaria vivir en medio del terror de que un dia cayera una bomba y matara a mi famila solo porque alguien no esta de acuerdo con la politica de los que me gobiernan, yo tengo poco/nada control de eso.
@nerdotron - personalmente soy firme creyente en el uso protector de la fuerza y mantengo tanto al gobierno de japon como el de los estados unidos responsables de toda la masacre y violaciones a los derechos humanos basicos hacia los civiles, principalmente el de "vivir", el lanzamiento de estas bombas atomicas asi como todas las demas campa~nas de bombardeo en ciudades esta muy lejos, para mi, de considerarse "uso protector de la fuerza", es mas bien un acto cruel y cobarde.
@nerdotron - no, yo no permaneceria neutral mientras el fuerte machaca al debil, yo me lanzaria con todo para detener al fuerte y proteger al debil, lo que yo no haria es matar o perjudicar a la familia del fuerte para persuadirlo a que se rinda.
de nuevo estoy de acuerdo contigo, si esa pudiese ser la solución sería genial, pero la realidad es más complicada. mira si quieres lo de la "operación downfall", que era la alternativa a las bombas, el lanzarse con todo para detener al fuerte.
@nerdotron lo que propones de operacion downfall es casi lo mismo, pero a diferencia de matar a los familiares inmediatamente, esta operacion consiste en meterse a la casa del fuerte, secuestrar a la familia y amenazar con matar a los familiares hasta que el fuerte se rinda. Este metodo es efectivo; puede quebrantar a cualquiera, por mas fuerte sea, pero no deja de ser algo totalmente inmoral, cobarde y vacio totalmente de honor. lo correcto es detener al agresor directamente no a la familia
Yo no propongo la operación downfall, esa era la alternativa para los USA, pues no creas que Hirihito o su gobierno iban a rendirse sin derramamiento de sangre.
Tojo Hideki estaba armando con cañas de bambú afiladas a mujeres ancianos y niños.
Creo que la operación downfall se hubiese cobrado muchisimas más vidas de inocentes que las bombas.
Y aún así, esto sigue sin tener comparación con lo que japón hizo en asia... pero de todos modos, ¿cómo propones tú detener al agresor?
@nerdotron ya lo comente, parece que vamos en circulos. Al agresor se le encara de frente no atravez del secuestro/asesinato de sus parientes, esa es la supuesta valentia de las fuerzas armadas, de morir con honor siendo heroes, no volverse igual o peor que los enemigos, atacando inocentes. eso de detonar las bombas para reducir el numero de muertos es volver al inicio de la justificacion del castigo colectivo, crei que ya lo habiamos discutido, si es asi mejor no me hagas perder mi tiempo
@nerdotron tiempo es el que deverias conseguir ya que no tienes vida manteniendo una "disque" discucion muy abierta en internet gracias por tu tiempe pinche indio!!!! lol lol lol lol me cago en la concha sangrente de tu madre osea progenitora osea puta hahahahahahahahah lulz posdata vales infeccion vaginal!!!
@nerdotron la neta me vale pito komo escribo en realidad ya ke marjinados komo tu de todos modos me entienden y pues como sea todos somos victimas del sistema en donde de sea especialmente aki en estad0os unidos y en mexico xD
@nerdotron Una correcta estrategia a seguir seria la misma que tu o yo seguiriamos al ver un fuerte machacando al debil, te acercarías al area del conflicto y neutralizarias al agresor de una manera honorable y proporcional, incluyendo la estrategia de apoyar al debil para repeler al enemigo, que tiene de malo esta, si los soldados estan dispuestos a morir por sus ideales, quien es quien para impedirselos, eso es lo que los hace dignos de reverencia, no con bombas, eso les roba todo merito.
@nerdotron no entiendo porque dices que es complicado, acaso te refieres a que es preferible obtener una victoria aunque sea en la deshonra, a una derrota de manera honrosa y que eso hace una batalla frente a frente mas complicada? o porque en especifico dices que en teoria es facil pero en la practica no lo es? probablemente estes mas familiarizado con los eventos especificos tu mas que yo pero no veo porque es dificil imaginar una batalla justa. tu dime porque es dificil.
La guerra nunca es honrosa, pues se cometen atrocidades.
Lo que quiero decir es que esa "guerra justa" en un país víctima del fanatismo y el militarismo como lo fue japón en la 2GM, no hubiese podido tener lugar.
Considero, que hubiese sido necesario arrasar el país para que que el orgulloso Tojo, (fanático del bushido), y Hirohito (Dios en la tierra con la mision de guiar al divino pueblo japonés) aceptasen la derrota.
@nerdotron Dices que no justificas las bombas, pero despues dices que fue necesario arrasar el pais, quien te entiende hombre. Otra, parace que tu crees que el bushido tomado al extremo conlleva a atrocidades como las de nankin, estas equivocado, es como decir que los principios occidentales de igualdad, justicia y libertad conllevan a Guantanamo y Abu Ghraib. Tu sabes lo que es el bushido y en que consiste?
yo te digo que NO ES TAN SIMPLE COMO TU LO PINTAS. había dos alternativas, o las bombas o arrasar el país intruduciendo tropas. Tojo, de nuevo repito, FANÁTICO del bushido estaba preparando a niños, mujeres y ancianos para la guerra. TODO con tal de no aceptar el deshonor de la derrota.
una persona que practica el bushido y un FANÁTICO del bushido son cosas diferentes. de la misma manera que un cristiano o un musulmán y sus variantes FANÁTICAS.
ah, y SI, el bushido MAL ENTENDIDO lleva a atrocidades. pues matar a "subhombres", (como los japoneses consideraban a los chinos o a los coreanos) en el nombre del emperador era considerado un honor, pues esas "ratas" al no seguir los principios del bushido no merecían ningun tipo de respeto por su parte.
@nerdotron Cuando tu practicas la ciencia de la Medicina al extremo, eso te lleva a la excelencia medica, pero cuando la entiendes mal o la practicas mal entonces deja de ser ciencia medica y se convierte en chamanismo, santeria, brujeria, magia blanca, etc. El Bushido practicado al extremo conlleva a uno practicarse el hari-kiri antes de caer en la deshonra de cometer una injusticia, o del apartarse de los principios de benevolencia y rectitud. Lo que paso en Nankin fue todo menos bushido.
El trato que las autoridades japonesas brindaron a los prisioneros de guerra enemigos (tanto civiles como militares), es un ejemplo de este tipo de bushido llevado al FANATISMO. Una de las cosas que enseña el bushido es el absoluto desprecio por el enemigo que se rinde, puesto que esto es un deshonor que hace preferible la muerte.
en esta guerra carta blanca para todo tipo de atrocidades.
No compares el bushido llevado al FANATISMO con la excelencia médica, por favor.
@nerdotron Supongo que con "alternativa realista" le quieres dar cierre al falso dilema. No, dos de tus alternativas es el castigo colectivo con victoria eminente y la otra es la no intervencion. No soy general de guerra para darte mil y otras alternativas, solo digo que dentro de todas las demas posibilidades, debe de haber una que castigue al verdadero culpable y proteja al inocente. Ahora si me disculpas tu sigue tu camino y yo el mio. Me doy x satisfecho mientras condenes las bombas
@tetraedronico En realidad pienso al 85 o 90% como tú, de hecho hasta hace poco tiempo pensaba como tú, pero honestamente en mi opinion creo que no existe ninguna manera buena de intervenir.
Mi absoluta lástima por las víctimas y mi absoluto desprecio por sus líderes. Cuidate.
No justifico las bombas, pero la alternativa de intoducir infantería en un país, cuando la propaganda de los USA ya se ha encargado de pintar como sub-humano sería realmente trágica.
@nerdotron no, no lo he checado, pero no me cabe la menor duda de que esos crimenes han de haber sido igual o aun peor que los crimenes que el gobierno de estados unidos ha hecho en vietnam, irak y afganistan. Yo solo quiero entender que logica usas para condenar al gobierno de japon por las bombas atomicas, deslindar al gobierno de estados unidos como lo hacen todos, y justificar el castigo colectivo de todos los bombazos.
@nerdotron Durante el 11-Sep, al-qaida asesino a 2000 personas inocentes en venganza a las atrocidades del gobierno de USA, es lo mismo que hizo el gobierno de USA cuando lanzo bombazos a civiles inocentes en Japon. A las potencias grandes solo las atacan terroristas, pero cuando la potencia grande es la que ataca, se dice "defenza propia". Independientemente de la escusa, los justos siempre pagan por los pecadores.
a nivel moral, en occidente SI que tenemos conciencia de la barbarie de las bombas atómicas, y esto figura en nuestros libros escolares de historia para las siguientes generaciones. Sin embargo en japón, estos libros de texto (censurados por ministerio de cultura y el gobierno central) omiten lo cometido por japón en el resto de asia.
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Fuck the United States, malevolent murderers! Japan, Korea, Vietnam, China, Afghanistan and Iraq are only the beginning. Who's next America? India? Pakistan? Iran?
America is Anti-Asian and it only seeks destruction of Asia so support Pan-Asianism now and stand intrepidly against the evil American malice!
I don't care what the Japanese did but whatever it was, that doesn't give the U.S any right to kill innocent people. RIP to all those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
@Kra7as If your ideas of the US are true, you would be writing this in Germany or Japanese, if you were allowed by that government to survive. You need to grow up and learn that certain leaders in the past wanted to you and your family dead because where you were simply born. You, like all people have a God given right to freedom. You should not impose your will or ideas on others, that is what you should take from this World War!
compared to the 140,000 killed in Hiroshima and 80,000 killed in Nagasaki I'd say thats a huge difference. The US president that ordered them to be dropped should have been brought up on war crimes and so should the bomber teams that dropped them.
Dropping bombs on cities (especially industrial cities with military bases) of a country that you are at war with is NOT a war crime.... Testing biological and chemical weapons on chinese civilians however, IS a war crime....
1) The target was larger than three miles in diameter and was an important target in a large urban area. (aka a city)
2) Blast would create effective damage. (aka kill more people)
3) Target was unlikely to be attacked by August 1945. "Any small and strictly military objective should be located in a much larger area subject to blast damage in order to avoid undue risks of the weapon being lost due to bad placing of the bomb."
Now maybe I got it wrong but aiming specifically for an urban area that with a bomb that powerful is purposely trying to kill civilians, and that my friend is a war crime
dont tell me they didnt mean to kill 220,000 civilians cuz they knew exactly how big the blast would be and they found a way to make it bigger. if the nuke was detonated on the ground only half the damage would have been done because the earth would have absorbed most of the blast. so they detonated in the air above the cities
yes, in the fantasy land that you think we live in, every war would be a crime. However, wars happen, some countries win, some countries lose. People always die, it's reality.
@AoiSakuraba24 What in the world are you guys talking about! Japan was trying to surrender to the US on their on terms using Russian. Their terms were to keep all occupied land. Keep their military with rights for future build-ups, no foreign nationals allowed in Japan. What else could the US and other countries do? It had to be ended without negotiated with Japan! What would you have done 3 years later when Japan had a A-Bomb or God forbid a H-Bomb with no one there?
@HatesFred how much did you just bet? because i'm low on money, and you just lost your bet. Srsly, when it comes to something this serrious, howsabout you do some research ?
many people overlook the fact that WE WARNED THE JAPENESE BEFORE WE DROPPED THEM. we told them that they would face destruction like never before seen, and they essentialy said "bring it". after hiroshima we gave them a chance to surrender, they refused so we used a second. if we would have invaded with the marines and army, the death toll of americans would have been outrageous. i dont like killing civilians of another country, but if it saves our countrymen. then so be it...
everyone else is giving their views so im giving my opinion too. Its utter rubbish all these people supporting war and what happened to these people. Its completely wrong what happened, and by supporting it makes you as bad as the murderers that did this.
These innocent people didnt deserve this, it wasn't their fight, they weren't evil, everyone is one race, people, they are just like every other person in the world, governments have wars but its the civilians who die!
There is a bad habit among human beings that keeps them from being able to separate a person from intentions of their government. If a terrorist group got their hands on a nuclear weapon and dropped them on innocent american civilians, it would not be long before Americans began preaching how wrong it is to use nuclear weapons. I hope we never have to learn that sort of lesson the hard way. I hate nukes/killing/etc...
if they didint drop the a bomb...then i wouldent be alive...cuz it was predicted that if the marines invaded japan..we would have won...but all the marines would die..like they would all be kia....so my grandad wouldent be alive
stupid japanese fucks asking us not to kill childrens??? look what the fuck they did they massacred alot of chinese babies in nanjing china and also in philippines for me japan deserved that atomic bomb without that atomic bomb japan would never surrender the war
people that died in 9/11 too didnt had any fucking role in the stupid things the stupid american government did but they died nevertheless. its too bad once the governments are elected they think that they are the masters of the people and can whenever plunge the nation into stupid wars.
even after these horrible affects.. how can america still head on for the nuclear race with russia durin the coldwar? even after seeing the consequences why? the still got nulcear warheads ready to explode...
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japanese shuold think why they will be killed why US didn't killed other coutry's .Why japanese didn't said they kill Chinese why? we should kill more japanese
the Japanese did not dropped an A-BOMB to China. They shoot bullets and cannon shells, the same MAO shoot to the gues he did not liked and Stalin to his own counterparts. So please stay focused on the subject and see the point of this story
Please tell me what is the Fxxking Difference using the bomb or bullets. Killing ppl and invasion are Fxxking wrong, Don't use your ass to think! use brain
Do you think those killed by bullets and cannon shells in China are any LESS dead than those killed by the A-bomb in Hiroshima/Nagasaki? Are you truly this fucking stupid?
LOl--You guys are so funny. Yes, we were bombed, they were bombed, and civilians always get caught in the middle. But this video isn't put up here to make us blame each other for what already happened so it's senseless trying to argue about it.
This video is to promote the cause of the banning of nuclear warfare and atomic bomb testing, as the Hiroshima Museum has been trying to do while trying to promote peace. You guys arguing about this loses the purpose of the video. Good job.
What about pearl harbor? that was totally un-called for, and if you try to say the hiroshima and nagaski Atomic bombs were uncalled for acually they werent, we sent warnings to the japanese government saying, we want an unconditional surrender or else pretty much,
Yeah But you think the destruction was just in pearl harbor? no they didnt attack just pearl harbor, they attacked surrounding areas too, full of innocent people, i hate ignorance too.
Why don't you go read about the rape of Nanking..
Where two Japanese soldiers had a contest of who could run through a village and kill with a sword a hundred Chinese innocents first.. the final score 106-105.. This among many other atrocities they commited on the surronding Asian nations. Now they dare play the role of the victim?
Japan was just as bad as Nazi Germany during the war. I used to think the way you do then I was educated. Go read some history books.
On the other hand, the Japanese continue to deny WWII atrocities in China, Korea, and the Phillipines. 10+million dead in China alone. Medical experiments on captives. Korean women shipped on trains to be used for 'pleasure' by Japanese soldiers.
It was the military, not the civil (?) of Nagasaki or Hiroshima or any other city/human/animal that killed innocent people. You dont have do be the same bastard. AND THE JAPANESE DID NOT DROP 2 FUCKING A BOMBS !!
I know because I've read and just don't go on emotions like a stupid child as you are.
DO you know that during WW2 Japan sent air ballons over the ocean to the continental US that had bombs attached of differnt kinds. Even Biological ones to spread disease. Some went as far inland as Michigan. Does this sound like people that care about attacking only Military bases? Fuck you're stupid.
So you did read from a book that was from another reality/dimention where the japs bombed with an A bomb ? I did not say that they only attack military bases you stupid fuck ! And the U.S did the same thing. They where going to use a bomb that had bats with like small fire bombs on them and when the bats flyed into the tree houses (Japan) they exploded and burned EVERYTHING.
I mean families.
Syruscleat 1 month ago
I am truly sorry for any pain that came Japan's way, but the emperor of Japan started the war. Blame your own people, not the USA. Even if we did give a demonstation to its effect, I guarantee the emperor would have called our bluff and said I dare you while thousands more of our boys were killed by the Japanese. You should have never bombed Pear Harbor, and none of it would have happened. Sure they were soldiers, not civilians, but they were people with family's who loved them.
Syruscleat 1 month ago
As usual, the Japs only care about its own so-called victims of the atomic bombing, but never about the millions of innocent victims of Imperial Japan that invaded, occupied, killed, raped, raided, enslaved in East Asia. It's no different from the Nazis who claimed themselves to be victims, rather than the war criminals that they really were.
SuperYT4Ever 2 months ago
I don't give a fuck about these japshow many americans were killed in pearl harbor we didn't do it to ourselves them japs did fuck you guys that sat we did wrong
clbrnkmn 2 months ago
@clbrnkmn Yeahhhhh sooo many more Japanese were killed. Most of them weren't even soliders. We didn't have to drop an atomic bomb on them. We have so many enemies and such a bad reputation in the first place because we can't mind our own fucking business. We believe the whole world is at our heels and it's clearly not.
YalanaShadowheart 4 days ago
i dont whish we could take it back i wish nuclear distruction wasnt possble its stupid you wanna tear the world apart well then your stupid to
456231000 3 months ago
It's really sad that some people will see this and hear the voices and will still turn their noses and be cruel about it. Even complain, saying, "Who cares? It was many years ago, it's done with, get over it."
But the real message isn't to just keep Japan safe, but the whole world for the future. No one deserves to be killed, especially like this.
xNikkaX3 5 months ago
capitalist democracy of the westren world at the expense of the innocent of this world, americans are bullies and thats what they are good at.
erythirium83 5 months ago
well ... think what would have happened if the war went on and they didn't use the bombs?
fiviifjj 5 months ago
it kinda wierd i have the same last name as 1 of the pilots in the plane my last name is tibbetts his was tibetts
Niightmaresx 5 months ago
Tell that to the NAZIs and Al Quada
texaslocoman1 5 months ago
A great video. What happened will never be forgotten. It´s a proof of stupidity, greed, arrogance... which have not abated as far as now.
carambola08 6 months ago
You are great, and its very sad :(
manuellcamelo 6 months ago
no one deserves this the big mistake was weapons being made humans are shit
burdyjames 7 months ago
I wish there was a way to take back the bombing in Hiroshima and Nagasaki
stitches611 7 months ago 6
From 2:14 to 2:17 , that was Korean writing , not Japanese .
Celeestier 7 months ago
@Celeestier Is Korean, Japanese and Chinese, three of them
TheRocko2000 7 months ago
@littledudemark5 What would you have them do? Japan attacked first and after numerous attempts to coerce a surrender they refused. They even still refused after the 1st was dropped. Just as many lives would have been lost if there was an invasion.
MrHank3 8 months ago
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not to sound rude or offensive or anything, legitament question here..how is he a survivor? i mean i guess this guy could be in his late 60s but if he was exposed to that much radiation wouldnt he not survive that long after?
aswanson94 9 months ago
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aswanson94 9 months ago
@MrKain2009
the fuck u japs means the japs who denied the massacre and invasions
y512516 10 months ago
@MrKain2009
seondly ,mainland chinese pig is kind of insulting, don't say that
y512516 10 months ago
@MrKain2009
dude, I'm in HK and you're in Macao,don't be an ass
I never said the commies were good people, totalitarians never will be one
y512516 10 months ago
@MrKain2009
I didn't mean all the Japs
I mean the Japs who were part of the Massacre campaign and live today like nothing has happened
why can't the japs be like the Germans and admit it happened?
Secondly , you live in Macao ,you are a Chinese too
y512516 10 months ago
Cant we let the past be the past?! Be glad things like these (both what the japs did and wat US did) didnt happen to u! Let the past be the past! Learn from our mistakes! What our ancestors, and their ancestors did have no business with us. Let us make a change! Peace!
isairocks01 10 months ago
@isairocks01
not until the japs admit what their ancestors have done
y512516 10 months ago
@y512516 If they admit it or not, what difference would that make to us? It's not like the US admits everything they've done.
isairocks01 10 months ago
MrFerjurowns: like!
terryesp99 10 months ago
u think the A-bomb was inhumane???
think of what the japs do to POW and civilians in Asia throughout the WWII
toxic gas chamber tests , freezing limbs with liquid nitrogen and shattering it with hammers , removing kidneys and livers while a person is awake and alive, and stabbing pregnant women with bayonets just to see if they can stick the fetus out!
Japs .... go to hell
y512516 10 months ago
that's what those communist fucks deserve
MrFerjurowns 11 months ago
dapat lang sa inyo yan salbahe kc kayo mag hapon
Bravejonard26 11 months ago
こんにちは。
私も父方の祖父母を原爆の後の病気で亡くしました。白血病だったと思います。
私が産まれてすぐのことだったので、こうしていろんな方の言葉を聞ける機会に恵まれて嬉しいです。
他にも動画があるようなので、これからいろいろ見させていただきます。
moyosei 1 year ago
I prefer instant vaporization as a way to die than being vivisected and experimented repeatedly while they keep me alive and awake..
xwolfxwoodx 1 year ago 10
@xwolfxwoodx The thing with the atomic bombs is that if you are one of the direct victims, you have only around 50% chance to get killed instantly or fast enough. The other 50% is that you'll be badly burned and be alive for some time ( even days ) before you die in agony.. or you may be not so badly burned, but heavily irradiated. In this case you will probably die in a week or month.
a564102 9 months ago
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In my opinion, if Pal and lindberg still alive,shitty mess will be solved peacefully.they will say the Neutrials treaty was abosolutely technically violated by JB355.It meams that it was not War but criminals using 2 atomic bomb to steal their skulls and gold teeths and to protect western colonialism.
ὁλόκαυστον holokauston.therefore ye ll reserve title as from human to animal until ye died as Apocalypse Now until return back skulls. Judge not that ye be not judged.
hebrews11jp 1 year ago
Americans are responsible for the disaster, using a conventional bomb It would take few days to destroy an entire city... A single bomb destroyed an entire city and killed 200 thousand people. 9/11 is nothing comparing to this... Americans were trying something new, it is ridiculous how this decision came into play.
TheJelerick 1 year ago
The Japanese army raped and murdered many more Chinese women and children in the "Rape of Nanking"...
but the army failed to record their voices...
Google it ("Rape of Nanking")... and watch those videos..., and tell us which is the worse way to die?
How many children under age 10 did the Japanese army rape and murder?
walk44321 1 year ago
The Japanese army raped and murdered many more Chinese women and children in the "Rape of Nanking"...
but the army failed to record their voices...
Google it ("Rape of Nanking")... and watch those videos..., and tell us which is the worse way to die?
walk44321 1 year ago
I dont think atomic bombs should exist .but they should listen to some of the american stories told by our solders who fought and died in our nations name and the voices of there children.
ChanceBilbo 1 year ago
@ChanceBilbo
atomic bomb should exist, we need something to deflect asteroids don't we?
y512516 10 months ago
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I dont think atomic bombs should exist .but they should listen to some of the american stories told by our solders who fought and died in our nations name and the voices of there children.
ChanceBilbo 1 year ago
I dont think atomic bombs should exist .but they should listen to some of the american stories told by our solders who fought and died in our nations name and the voices of there children.
ChanceBilbo 1 year ago
The man in this video was a child when the bomb was dropped. Even if one believes in reincarnation- most believe that reincarnation purfies the soul, how could a child be to blame enough to expose them to such a horror? If we lose compassion even for little helpless children we will all lose our souls and there will be no hope for the future. If the point was that surviving children might perhaps promote peace, then, let US be grateful this man realized this, and lets welcome his love.
lucyedinburgh 1 year ago
Furthermore.. anyone who totally denounces the content in this video, which just in case you didn't notice, advocates "no nukes". Please think about the fact that if you're do so, you are likely to be saying "yes nukes" i.e wishing for even more cities to be destroyed, even more lives lost, even more death. Are you willing to be responsible for that? or do you think that the life of a person you don't know is worth less than those who you DO know? Try thinking about that, and get a bit mature!
vortexkd 1 year ago
there is no reason to advocate MORE violence... seriously..
someone commented that they would be happy if america was nuked. what is the point if MORE die? Is it worth that much to prove a point? onthe other hand, it isn't like america is innocent either with all the war going on.the world is frankly (i know i sound a bit arrogant saying this, but it needs to be said) acting like a bunch of children fighting in a playground. violence violence and more pointless bloody violence. stop it already!
vortexkd 1 year ago
Sooner or later one will detonate a nuclear bomb in America's cities. When that happens I am REALY happy. Whether the terrorists or the U.S. government was it on 911. I do not care. It looked as beautiful as the civil population in panic ran away. So the Americans at least knew how it is when someone mass murder in seconds
MrMindcontroler 1 year ago
@MrMindcontroler lol it will never happen so much for the hope kid lol.
benitojuarez1234 1 year ago
japs shouldn't have fucked with us in the first place with their little bullshit "sucker punch" on pearl harbor
you gonna get knocked out.
glozick 1 year ago
These motherfuckers, I don't feel sorry at all for those victims! Young, old, men, women, babies, I wished there had been more lethal bombs dropped in more cities! They fucking deserved it as their fellows Japs had done to other people' victims in Asia! I fucking hate them!
japshater 1 year ago
actually that time japan deserve it. if they read the history in phillippines in the hand of japanese, u will believe why they deserve that bomb.
77mheg 1 year ago
Innocent people are always the casualties of war. These are more than likely the stories of the innocent families and victims. Not the ones who were doing the bs to the chinese and philipines. You are comparing some with all... thats like saying all christians and catholics are pedophiles, and all muslims are suicide bombers. The US gov't is corrupt and FUBAR. But the people, the families who despise their own gov't arent the ones to blame.......
psyclonis5150 1 year ago 4
@psyclonis5150 Invading Japan would have killed MANY more Japenese civilians, troops, and American troops.
Sandiegochargers85 8 months ago
I've been watching several of these videos and still can't believe there is so little compassion and much hate against the victims and survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs as if they where these evil monsters that must be blamed. I see no difference between this and blaming the victims of 911 for the atrocities that the US government has done and continues doing around the world specially the middle east.
tetraedronico 1 year ago 2
@tetraedronico
Hirohito, Tojo and the political class of Japan are to blame.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron - The victims of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic and conventional bombings, mass murdered by the US government, had very little control over their political class, even less to what the victims of 911 had over the Bush administration, yet the victims of 911 are remembered with love whereas the victims in Japan are remembered with hate and disdain, even the pilots who dropped the bombs express no remorse. I wish people could see beyond this hypocrisy.
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
japan started the war and tortured, raped, humilliated and murdered many more civilians in the invaded asia.
I'm sorry but japan is not a victim of WW2.
japanese civilians are.
again: Hirohito, Tojo and the political class of Japan are to blame.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron - The American govn't has also started many wars, tortured, raped, humiliated and murdered millions of people and invaded Asia, yet when 911 happened everyone blames Al-Qaida not the American government.
If you believe the Japan govn't is responsible for the deaths of quarter million Japanese civilians during all WWII US bombings, then surely you won't have problem with the idea that the US govn't is responsible for 911 and not Al-Qaida. Otherwise is just another double standard
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
My position: i'm against imperialism. please don't judge me so lightly.
i'm just saying that japan CANNOT call themselves victims. They started invading asia and that torturing, raping, humilliating and murdering innocent people. Yes they got first bombed and then nuked. If this happens to USA one day, i'll think the same i think about japan but with different names.
not everybody in USA or japan supported or supports the war.
those who DOESN'T are the only victims.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron Tu logica lleva a la conclusion de que el gobierno de USA es responsable de los atentados del 11-sep, debido a su imperialismo. Si es correcto mi entender, al menos eres consistente en tu logica. Pero el verdadero perpetrador del 11-sep es al-qaida, y el de las bombas en Japon: el gobierno de USA, y el de las violaciones y asesinatos en China: el gobierno de Japon. Parece que estas justificando la matanza de miles de inocentes en venganza a las acciones cometidas por los gobiernos
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
Ni el gobierno japonés ni el de los USA son hermanitas de la caridad.
dices "Independientemente de la escusa, los justos siempre pagan por los pecadores."
estoy completamente de acuerdo.
Aún así te recomiendo que te reseñes sobre la posición diplomática actual de japón con respecto a sus crímenes en el resto de asia. Y también te recomiendo que te reseñes sobre esos crímenes que los japoneses cometieron en asia y que a menudo olvidamos en occidente.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron que tal, no creo que mi punto se este dando a entender correctamente, no apoyo a ningun gobierno ni grupo hostil. Deja lo pongo de esta otra forma. Tu apoyarias que callera una bomba en mi vecindario y matara a mi familia y a mi debido a que las personas que me gobiernan son los mas despotas del mundo?
Eso es lo que estoy entendiendo de ti.
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico parece que tampoco me entiendes :-)
por supuesto que no apoyaría el bombardeo de tu barrio por mucho que la gente que te gobierne sean déspotas.
Lo que tampoco estoy de acuerdo es que japón ignore a las victimas del resto de asia.
para mi japón (el gobierno) NO puede considerarse víctima.
La gente de hiroshima y nagasaki (y tokyo) que NO apoyaron al régimen y NO niegan lo que japón hizo en el resto de asia SI son víctimas. Los que SI apoyaron la expansion japonesa NO lo son.
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tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
para mi el gobierno de los USA no fue justo al detonar las bombas. por favor mira la alternativa llamada "operación downfall". hay un artículo muy bueno en la wikipedia.
a mi la doctrina que tengas me da igual, sin embargo si tu barrio esta masacrando a otro barrio, me parecería necesario pararlo.
para tí el gobierno de japón fue justo al masacrar al resto de asiáticos, o violar 24 h al dia 7 dias por semana a las esclavas sexuales?
porque de eso nadie habla.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
el problema es complicado, no es tan simple como bombardear tu barrio: si tu barrio sigue determinado en luchar, el equivalente real sería bombardear una calle poco poblada de tu barrio (hiroshima o nagasaki) para demostrar el potencial destructor y que de esta manera se rindan y asi no tener bombardear la zona más poblada (tokyo, osaka) para luego entrar completamente con infantería y artilleria en tu barrio hasta que no quedase ni un solo vecino tuyo en pie.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron muy bien, ahora hablemos de victimas ya que haz definido mas o menos certeramente quienes son (ejemplo: ni~nos y grupos de oposicion), me podrias decir si tu apoyarias a que mi barrio fuera bombardeado aun si mi UNICO "crimen" es apoyar ideologicamente el regimen gubernamental debido a mi indoctrinacion cultural. Parece que tu respuesta es si, podrias confirmar o negar?
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
si tu barrio APOYA la masacre de otros barrios y tu alcalde ya habiendo sido avisado continua masacrando sin importarle el destino de sus ciudadanos, no veo problema en que sea bombardeado si de este modo acaba la barbarie.
Hirohito debió pensar menos en su propia gloria y más en cuidar mejor de su gente.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
"si mi UNICO "crimen" es apoyar ideologicamente el regimen gubernamental debido a mi indoctrinacion cultural. Parece que tu respuesta es si, podrias confirmar o negar?"
SI, sólo si extermina, viola y humilla a otros pueblos.
Solo te digo que si japón hubiese tenido la bomba, hoy día no existirían los estados unidos.
sin embargo hoy día japón existe, con su cultura y costumbres, y es más, a Hirohito, uno de los mayores criminales de la historia se le perdonó la vida.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron
Entonces tu ideologia no es muy diferente a los del Al-Qaida. Ellos lanzaron dos aviones contra 2,000 personas que ellos CREEN que estan apoyando el regimen gubernamental de los Estados Unidos en su entender: violaciones, genocidio, tortura, etc. Si tu crees que mi barrio merece ser bombardeado por esto entonces tu y yo no tenemos nada mas que discutir.
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
¿según tú cual es la solución? tómate tu tiempo para responder.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron la verdad no sé. me gusta creer en la regla de oro de "no hagas a otros lo que no quieres que te hagan", pero si veo los acontecimientos del 11-sep atravez de tu logica del castigo colectivo entonces veo que al-qaida tambien hizo lo "correcto", lo cual no estoy de acuerdo. A mi no me gustaria vivir en medio del terror de que un dia cayera una bomba y matara a mi famila solo porque alguien no esta de acuerdo con la politica de los que me gobiernan, yo tengo poco/nada control de eso.
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico yo pienso como tú.
creo en el no intervencionismo, y en la teoría todo es perfecto.
En la práctica ¿que hacer?
¿Permanecerías neutral mientras el fuerte machaca al débil? ¿crees en un mal menor para evitar uno mayor?
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron - personalmente soy firme creyente en el uso protector de la fuerza y mantengo tanto al gobierno de japon como el de los estados unidos responsables de toda la masacre y violaciones a los derechos humanos basicos hacia los civiles, principalmente el de "vivir", el lanzamiento de estas bombas atomicas asi como todas las demas campa~nas de bombardeo en ciudades esta muy lejos, para mi, de considerarse "uso protector de la fuerza", es mas bien un acto cruel y cobarde.
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@nerdotron - no, yo no permaneceria neutral mientras el fuerte machaca al debil, yo me lanzaria con todo para detener al fuerte y proteger al debil, lo que yo no haria es matar o perjudicar a la familia del fuerte para persuadirlo a que se rinda.
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
de nuevo estoy de acuerdo contigo, si esa pudiese ser la solución sería genial, pero la realidad es más complicada. mira si quieres lo de la "operación downfall", que era la alternativa a las bombas, el lanzarse con todo para detener al fuerte.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron lo que propones de operacion downfall es casi lo mismo, pero a diferencia de matar a los familiares inmediatamente, esta operacion consiste en meterse a la casa del fuerte, secuestrar a la familia y amenazar con matar a los familiares hasta que el fuerte se rinda. Este metodo es efectivo; puede quebrantar a cualquiera, por mas fuerte sea, pero no deja de ser algo totalmente inmoral, cobarde y vacio totalmente de honor. lo correcto es detener al agresor directamente no a la familia
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
Yo no propongo la operación downfall, esa era la alternativa para los USA, pues no creas que Hirihito o su gobierno iban a rendirse sin derramamiento de sangre.
Tojo Hideki estaba armando con cañas de bambú afiladas a mujeres ancianos y niños.
Creo que la operación downfall se hubiese cobrado muchisimas más vidas de inocentes que las bombas.
Y aún así, esto sigue sin tener comparación con lo que japón hizo en asia... pero de todos modos, ¿cómo propones tú detener al agresor?
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron ya lo comente, parece que vamos en circulos. Al agresor se le encara de frente no atravez del secuestro/asesinato de sus parientes, esa es la supuesta valentia de las fuerzas armadas, de morir con honor siendo heroes, no volverse igual o peor que los enemigos, atacando inocentes. eso de detonar las bombas para reducir el numero de muertos es volver al inicio de la justificacion del castigo colectivo, crei que ya lo habiamos discutido, si es asi mejor no me hagas perder mi tiempo
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
te estoy pidiendo el ejemplo concreto, cómo y donde encararse al adversario. ilústrame porque no me queda claro. gracias por tu tiempo.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron tiempo es el que deverias conseguir ya que no tienes vida manteniendo una "disque" discucion muy abierta en internet gracias por tu tiempe pinche indio!!!! lol lol lol lol me cago en la concha sangrente de tu madre osea progenitora osea puta hahahahahahahahah lulz posdata vales infeccion vaginal!!!
cidra43 1 year ago
@cidra43 aprende ortografía antes de insultar, pues si no no esperes que se te tome en serio.
Que tengas un buen día.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron la neta me vale pito komo escribo en realidad ya ke marjinados komo tu de todos modos me entienden y pues como sea todos somos victimas del sistema en donde de sea especialmente aki en estad0os unidos y en mexico xD
anarchy lives nigga
cidra43 1 year ago
@cidra43
watch?v=3tYKjThQiCM
nerdotron 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
te estoy pidiendo el ejemplo concreto, en la 2GM ¿de que manera debía USA encararse de frente a japón?
ilústrame con la estrategia a seguir.
y gracias por tu tiempo.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron Una correcta estrategia a seguir seria la misma que tu o yo seguiriamos al ver un fuerte machacando al debil, te acercarías al area del conflicto y neutralizarias al agresor de una manera honorable y proporcional, incluyendo la estrategia de apoyar al debil para repeler al enemigo, que tiene de malo esta, si los soldados estan dispuestos a morir por sus ideales, quien es quien para impedirselos, eso es lo que los hace dignos de reverencia, no con bombas, eso les roba todo merito.
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
en teoría suena genial, pero te estoy pidiendo el ejemplo concreto, pues en la práctica, la cosa pasa a ser muy complicada.
para mí lo perfecto sería que las guerras se libraran en territorio neutral y deshabitado, pero la realidad no es así.
Y de nuevo te digo que estoy completamente de acuerdo en que bombardear es un acto cobarde.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron no entiendo porque dices que es complicado, acaso te refieres a que es preferible obtener una victoria aunque sea en la deshonra, a una derrota de manera honrosa y que eso hace una batalla frente a frente mas complicada? o porque en especifico dices que en teoria es facil pero en la practica no lo es? probablemente estes mas familiarizado con los eventos especificos tu mas que yo pero no veo porque es dificil imaginar una batalla justa. tu dime porque es dificil.
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
La guerra nunca es honrosa, pues se cometen atrocidades.
Lo que quiero decir es que esa "guerra justa" en un país víctima del fanatismo y el militarismo como lo fue japón en la 2GM, no hubiese podido tener lugar.
Considero, que hubiese sido necesario arrasar el país para que que el orgulloso Tojo, (fanático del bushido), y Hirohito (Dios en la tierra con la mision de guiar al divino pueblo japonés) aceptasen la derrota.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron Dices que no justificas las bombas, pero despues dices que fue necesario arrasar el pais, quien te entiende hombre. Otra, parace que tu crees que el bushido tomado al extremo conlleva a atrocidades como las de nankin, estas equivocado, es como decir que los principios occidentales de igualdad, justicia y libertad conllevan a Guantanamo y Abu Ghraib. Tu sabes lo que es el bushido y en que consiste?
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
yo te digo que NO ES TAN SIMPLE COMO TU LO PINTAS. había dos alternativas, o las bombas o arrasar el país intruduciendo tropas. Tojo, de nuevo repito, FANÁTICO del bushido estaba preparando a niños, mujeres y ancianos para la guerra. TODO con tal de no aceptar el deshonor de la derrota.
una persona que practica el bushido y un FANÁTICO del bushido son cosas diferentes. de la misma manera que un cristiano o un musulmán y sus variantes FANÁTICAS.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
ah, y SI, el bushido MAL ENTENDIDO lleva a atrocidades. pues matar a "subhombres", (como los japoneses consideraban a los chinos o a los coreanos) en el nombre del emperador era considerado un honor, pues esas "ratas" al no seguir los principios del bushido no merecían ningun tipo de respeto por su parte.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron Cuando tu practicas la ciencia de la Medicina al extremo, eso te lleva a la excelencia medica, pero cuando la entiendes mal o la practicas mal entonces deja de ser ciencia medica y se convierte en chamanismo, santeria, brujeria, magia blanca, etc. El Bushido practicado al extremo conlleva a uno practicarse el hari-kiri antes de caer en la deshonra de cometer una injusticia, o del apartarse de los principios de benevolencia y rectitud. Lo que paso en Nankin fue todo menos bushido.
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
El trato que las autoridades japonesas brindaron a los prisioneros de guerra enemigos (tanto civiles como militares), es un ejemplo de este tipo de bushido llevado al FANATISMO. Una de las cosas que enseña el bushido es el absoluto desprecio por el enemigo que se rinde, puesto que esto es un deshonor que hace preferible la muerte.
en esta guerra carta blanca para todo tipo de atrocidades.
No compares el bushido llevado al FANATISMO con la excelencia médica, por favor.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
y volviendo al debate que nos ocupa concluyo con japón hubo tres opciones:
#Operación Downfall (invasión con tropas de USA)
#Hiroshima y Nagasaki (rendición automática)
#Dejar a japón que siguiera machacando a los chinos, coreanos, filipinos, etc.
que opción eliges? Las tres son horribles para el ser humano. Si se te ocurre alguna más (realista, claro está), dimela.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron Supongo que con "alternativa realista" le quieres dar cierre al falso dilema. No, dos de tus alternativas es el castigo colectivo con victoria eminente y la otra es la no intervencion. No soy general de guerra para darte mil y otras alternativas, solo digo que dentro de todas las demas posibilidades, debe de haber una que castigue al verdadero culpable y proteja al inocente. Ahora si me disculpas tu sigue tu camino y yo el mio. Me doy x satisfecho mientras condenes las bombas
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico En realidad pienso al 85 o 90% como tú, de hecho hasta hace poco tiempo pensaba como tú, pero honestamente en mi opinion creo que no existe ninguna manera buena de intervenir.
Mi absoluta lástima por las víctimas y mi absoluto desprecio por sus líderes. Cuidate.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
sabes TÚ lo que es el bushido?
nerdotron 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
No justifico las bombas, pero la alternativa de intoducir infantería en un país, cuando la propaganda de los USA ya se ha encargado de pintar como sub-humano sería realmente trágica.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
de nuevo: has mirado información sobre los crímenes contra la humanidad perpetrados por el japón imperial?
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron no, no lo he checado, pero no me cabe la menor duda de que esos crimenes han de haber sido igual o aun peor que los crimenes que el gobierno de estados unidos ha hecho en vietnam, irak y afganistan. Yo solo quiero entender que logica usas para condenar al gobierno de japon por las bombas atomicas, deslindar al gobierno de estados unidos como lo hacen todos, y justificar el castigo colectivo de todos los bombazos.
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
y las bombas podrian haberse lanzado de manera mucho más efectiva sobre tokyo, y osaka.
personalmente creo que japón las hubiese lanzado en los angeles y nueva york.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
ofcourse the litlle child hugging his father is a victim. But not those men who were shouting Banzai!!! when japan invaded china.
hope you get my point of view.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@nerdotron Durante el 11-Sep, al-qaida asesino a 2000 personas inocentes en venganza a las atrocidades del gobierno de USA, es lo mismo que hizo el gobierno de USA cuando lanzo bombazos a civiles inocentes en Japon. A las potencias grandes solo las atacan terroristas, pero cuando la potencia grande es la que ataca, se dice "defenza propia". Independientemente de la escusa, los justos siempre pagan por los pecadores.
tetraedronico 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
lo que para mí es ridículo es que el gobierno de japón pida cuentas a USA cuando japón no las da al resto de paises asiáticos.
primero hay que empezar por admitir los errores propios antes de quejarse de los de los demás.
si quieres puedes buscar datos sobre la unidad 731, la masacre de nanking y el asunto de las esclavas sexuales.
hay un documental muy bueno de un director japonés Minoru Matsui llamado "Japanese Devils" con testimonios de soldados imperiales japoneses.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
a nivel moral, en occidente SI que tenemos conciencia de la barbarie de las bombas atómicas, y esto figura en nuestros libros escolares de historia para las siguientes generaciones. Sin embargo en japón, estos libros de texto (censurados por ministerio de cultura y el gobierno central) omiten lo cometido por japón en el resto de asia.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
¿Hitler fue víctima de la 2GM? Hirohito o Tojo tampoco.
Ellos empezaron la guerra.
nerdotron 1 year ago
@tetraedronico
por cierto, buscaste datos sobre la unidad 731, la masacre de nanking y el asunto de las esclavas sexuales.?
nerdotron 1 year ago
Japan kicked a big-ass dog and so now they're mad they got bitten for it.
katie8758 1 year ago
YEAH if your shit emperor try to be coward again we would sink your island and result to japanese extinction
benitojuarez1234 1 year ago
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Fuck the United States, malevolent murderers! Japan, Korea, Vietnam, China, Afghanistan and Iraq are only the beginning. Who's next America? India? Pakistan? Iran?
America is Anti-Asian and it only seeks destruction of Asia so support Pan-Asianism now and stand intrepidly against the evil American malice!
I don't care what the Japanese did but whatever it was, that doesn't give the U.S any right to kill innocent people. RIP to all those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Kra7as 2 years ago
@Kra7as If your ideas of the US are true, you would be writing this in Germany or Japanese, if you were allowed by that government to survive. You need to grow up and learn that certain leaders in the past wanted to you and your family dead because where you were simply born. You, like all people have a God given right to freedom. You should not impose your will or ideas on others, that is what you should take from this World War!
cnnlive10 2 years ago
@Kra7as Dude Japan started it they killed innocent people in pearl harbor so you think America should just sit there ? they fought back.
R3g1tz 1 year ago
fought back whom? women and children?
Indiaexpress 1 year ago
@indiaexpress An eye for a eye they started it.
R3g1tz 1 year ago
an eye for eye makes the whole world go blind my friend.
Indiaexpress 1 year ago 2
Good point. this is stupid don't really find it interesting fighing of this i posted that like a week ago sooo... yea
R3g1tz 1 year ago
this is stupid?because of your stupid government pak proliferated nukes to iran and south korea and u find it stupid?
Indiaexpress 1 year ago
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oh, right, forgot the small detail of, how many civilians do you think were killed in pearl harbor, im willing to bet a lot.
HatesFred 2 years ago
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rain06ym 2 years ago
To HatesFred:
Total casualties of Pearl Harbor:
2,345 military personnel killed
1,247 military personnel wounded
57 civilians killed
35 civilians wounded
compared to the 140,000 killed in Hiroshima and 80,000 killed in Nagasaki I'd say thats a huge difference. The US president that ordered them to be dropped should have been brought up on war crimes and so should the bomber teams that dropped them.
AoiSakuraba24 2 years ago
@AoiSakuraba24 amen
ThorMexico 2 years ago
Aoi Sakuraba24,
Dropping bombs on cities (especially industrial cities with military bases) of a country that you are at war with is NOT a war crime.... Testing biological and chemical weapons on chinese civilians however, IS a war crime....
underfoil 2 years ago 2
@underfoil,
Requirements for bomb drop:
1) The target was larger than three miles in diameter and was an important target in a large urban area. (aka a city)
2) Blast would create effective damage. (aka kill more people)
3) Target was unlikely to be attacked by August 1945. "Any small and strictly military objective should be located in a much larger area subject to blast damage in order to avoid undue risks of the weapon being lost due to bad placing of the bomb."
AoiSakuraba24 2 years ago
Now maybe I got it wrong but aiming specifically for an urban area that with a bomb that powerful is purposely trying to kill civilians, and that my friend is a war crime
dont tell me they didnt mean to kill 220,000 civilians cuz they knew exactly how big the blast would be and they found a way to make it bigger. if the nuke was detonated on the ground only half the damage would have been done because the earth would have absorbed most of the blast. so they detonated in the air above the cities
AoiSakuraba24 2 years ago
That makes perfect sense, if you are going to attack someone, why not make the weapon to the most possible damage?
underfoil 2 years ago
Dropping atomic bombs is or if not should be a war crime. In fact every war is a crime
spikkel70 2 years ago
yes, in the fantasy land that you think we live in, every war would be a crime. However, wars happen, some countries win, some countries lose. People always die, it's reality.
underfoil 2 years ago
lol! so 9/11 is justified as well.
Indiaexpress 1 year ago
@AoiSakuraba24 What in the world are you guys talking about! Japan was trying to surrender to the US on their on terms using Russian. Their terms were to keep all occupied land. Keep their military with rights for future build-ups, no foreign nationals allowed in Japan. What else could the US and other countries do? It had to be ended without negotiated with Japan! What would you have done 3 years later when Japan had a A-Bomb or God forbid a H-Bomb with no one there?
cnnlive10 2 years ago 2
@HatesFred how much did you just bet? because i'm low on money, and you just lost your bet. Srsly, when it comes to something this serrious, howsabout you do some research ?
Zainagesan 2 years ago
@HatesFred Acutally just a few or maybe none, since they attacked a military facility, not throwed a bomb to the center of a city
ThorMexico 2 years ago
many people overlook the fact that WE WARNED THE JAPENESE BEFORE WE DROPPED THEM. we told them that they would face destruction like never before seen, and they essentialy said "bring it". after hiroshima we gave them a chance to surrender, they refused so we used a second. if we would have invaded with the marines and army, the death toll of americans would have been outrageous. i dont like killing civilians of another country, but if it saves our countrymen. then so be it...
HatesFred 2 years ago
why dont u just admitt that your army didnt had the balls to fight the army of japan.lol!
Indiaexpress 1 year ago
not to be mean but the guy who speaking english sounds like stitch right.
matos003md 2 years ago
everyone else is giving their views so im giving my opinion too. Its utter rubbish all these people supporting war and what happened to these people. Its completely wrong what happened, and by supporting it makes you as bad as the murderers that did this.
These innocent people didnt deserve this, it wasn't their fight, they weren't evil, everyone is one race, people, they are just like every other person in the world, governments have wars but its the civilians who die!
cait36232 2 years ago
There is a bad habit among human beings that keeps them from being able to separate a person from intentions of their government. If a terrorist group got their hands on a nuclear weapon and dropped them on innocent american civilians, it would not be long before Americans began preaching how wrong it is to use nuclear weapons. I hope we never have to learn that sort of lesson the hard way. I hate nukes/killing/etc...
londinio 2 years ago 2
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gangsta1149 2 years ago
if they didint drop the a bomb...then i wouldent be alive...cuz it was predicted that if the marines invaded japan..we would have won...but all the marines would die..like they would all be kia....so my grandad wouldent be alive
sbjl08lord 2 years ago
loved my neighbor mr.tyree
he was at iwo jima and had a flamethrower.
he said the japs tried to surrender
i asked him what happened
he said
I wouldn't let 'em.
japanese we're brutal,they got what they deserved.
If they didn't want to get torched their emperor shouldn't have started a world war.
too bad we didn't have another a-bomb or 2.
maelfesh3 2 years ago
stupid japanese fucks asking us not to kill childrens??? look what the fuck they did they massacred alot of chinese babies in nanjing china and also in philippines for me japan deserved that atomic bomb without that atomic bomb japan would never surrender the war
bagsekboy87 2 years ago 3
No one deserves to have an atomic bomb dropped on them.
Calinoma 2 years ago
and the fcking usa deserves 911 DEATH TO AMERICA
Futurelobo123 2 years ago
people that died in 9/11 too didnt had any fucking role in the stupid things the stupid american government did but they died nevertheless. its too bad once the governments are elected they think that they are the masters of the people and can whenever plunge the nation into stupid wars.
Indiaexpress 1 year ago
it's war ok but the Jews didn't derserve that was not
cold1515 2 years ago
even after these horrible affects.. how can america still head on for the nuclear race with russia durin the coldwar? even after seeing the consequences why? the still got nulcear warheads ready to explode...
ashfaque7777 2 years ago
NO one deserved that!!!
FTP2480 2 years ago 3
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those japs deserved it
Miliuba 2 years ago
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Please don't kill children.. never ever again. Just kill Bush.
litetheory 2 years ago
what song is that in the beginning
REDRUMMURDER 2 years ago
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japanese shuold think why they will be killed why US didn't killed other coutry's .Why japanese didn't said they kill Chinese why? we should kill more japanese
trumpetsuperman 2 years ago
Can you spell? Fucking retard.
patluff 2 years ago
dear trumpetsuperman,
the Japanese did not dropped an A-BOMB to China. They shoot bullets and cannon shells, the same MAO shoot to the gues he did not liked and Stalin to his own counterparts. So please stay focused on the subject and see the point of this story
ANIKES 2 years ago
Dear Anikes,
Please tell me what is the Fxxking Difference using the bomb or bullets. Killing ppl and invasion are Fxxking wrong, Don't use your ass to think! use brain
cobra168 2 years ago
Dear imbecile:
Do you think those killed by bullets and cannon shells in China are any LESS dead than those killed by the A-bomb in Hiroshima/Nagasaki? Are you truly this fucking stupid?
richard1972r 2 years ago
LOl--You guys are so funny. Yes, we were bombed, they were bombed, and civilians always get caught in the middle. But this video isn't put up here to make us blame each other for what already happened so it's senseless trying to argue about it.
This video is to promote the cause of the banning of nuclear warfare and atomic bomb testing, as the Hiroshima Museum has been trying to do while trying to promote peace. You guys arguing about this loses the purpose of the video. Good job.
ComputerXangel 2 years ago 7
Here's this stuff summed up; the state rulers fight over printed money and land, and they sent kids to go die for their tiffs.
American soldiers - Just kids
Japanese soldiers - Just kids
Mao's revolutionary army - Just kids
Soviet soldiers - Just kids.
The Nazi soldiers - Just kids.
And when they felt their lives leaving them as they died fighting a war they didn't understand, they all just wanted to go home to their parents.
There's nothing noble about killing kids, or evaporating thousands.
AshillaBeige 2 years ago
you americans make up any excuse you can to find to justify these horrible actions...
JD101PRO 2 years ago
Pear Harbor ...hows that for an excuse....bitch
...You fuck us over...we bomb your ass
supbeotch 2 years ago
What about pearl harbor? that was totally un-called for, and if you try to say the hiroshima and nagaski Atomic bombs were uncalled for acually they werent, we sent warnings to the japanese government saying, we want an unconditional surrender or else pretty much,
V8power923 2 years ago
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pearl harbor was a military base filled with soldiers... hiroshima and nagasaki were filled with innocent civilians.
i hate ignorance...
JD101PRO 2 years ago
Yeah But you think the destruction was just in pearl harbor? no they didnt attack just pearl harbor, they attacked surrounding areas too, full of innocent people, i hate ignorance too.
V8power923 2 years ago 2
Why don't you go read about the rape of Nanking..
Where two Japanese soldiers had a contest of who could run through a village and kill with a sword a hundred Chinese innocents first.. the final score 106-105.. This among many other atrocities they commited on the surronding Asian nations. Now they dare play the role of the victim?
Japan was just as bad as Nazi Germany during the war. I used to think the way you do then I was educated. Go read some history books.
SamosIMP 2 years ago 5
On one hand, I feel sad for those who died.
On the other hand, the Japanese continue to deny WWII atrocities in China, Korea, and the Phillipines. 10+million dead in China alone. Medical experiments on captives. Korean women shipped on trains to be used for 'pleasure' by Japanese soldiers.
Sevnotsukaima 2 years ago 3
i agree with man!
moreover in south asia
like indonesia,malaysia ,singapore,phillipines n others
the one which is the most humiliation act is "comfort woman" or forced to becomea prostitute
wtf is japan's soldier..
zonk09 2 years ago
Japanese armies killed a lot of civilians during their invasion of Asian countries during WWII. What comes around, goes around.
So it's ok for them to do it. When someone did the same thing to them then they said it's wrong. Double standard hyprocrites!
pepsisuck 3 years ago
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just shut up you freakin´idiot! you really don´t make a good impression of yourself.
Phunker1 2 years ago
It was the military, not the civil (?) of Nagasaki or Hiroshima or any other city/human/animal that killed innocent people. You dont have do be the same bastard. AND THE JAPANESE DID NOT DROP 2 FUCKING A BOMBS !!
justfunky95 2 years ago
You're a fucking idiot. If Japan had the bomb first they would have used it on America.
SamosIMP 2 years ago
How the fuck do you know that ? And the japanese would probably have used it on fucking military areas you fucking idiot
PoppingSanta 2 years ago
I know because I've read and just don't go on emotions like a stupid child as you are.
DO you know that during WW2 Japan sent air ballons over the ocean to the continental US that had bombs attached of differnt kinds. Even Biological ones to spread disease. Some went as far inland as Michigan. Does this sound like people that care about attacking only Military bases? Fuck you're stupid.
SamosIMP 2 years ago
So you did read from a book that was from another reality/dimention where the japs bombed with an A bomb ? I did not say that they only attack military bases you stupid fuck ! And the U.S did the same thing. They where going to use a bomb that had bats with like small fire bombs on them and when the bats flyed into the tree houses (Japan) they exploded and burned EVERYTHING.
PoppingSanta 2 years ago