It's interesting to see this great golfer's swing from that angle in the beginning of this video. I must study that. Practice, practise, practice, practise, practise, practise...
Sorry McGinnbros (below) that it took me so long to get back to you or more correctly to find this video. You point is can also be stated as "There is no such thing as the completely correct golf swing to imitate but everyone has their own correct swing to employ." Just find it on the range by experimentation then trust its utilization on the course. Easier said than done of course but eventually you have to trust something. What better than yourself? Thats the Zen part. Ohmmm.
MIKE AUSTIN WAS THE GREAT TEACHES IN THE WORLD OF GOLF AND HE HIT THE GOLF BALL 515 YARD AT AGE 64, DAN SHAUGER LEARNED FROM THE BEST TEAHCES AUSTIN, I HAD SEVERAL LESSON FROM DAN AND NOW I HIT MY GOLF BALL STRAIGHT DOWN LINE NOW AND HE HELP WITH SHORT GAME AND PUTTING DAN HAS 2 BOOK AND 27 DVD aperfectswing THANK TO DAN I PLAY A BETTER AROUND OF GOLF NOW GREAT TEACHES DAN IS
Great video of 1953 British Open ! Last major for Ben. Finished in the top 10 in the U S Open every year he played from 1941 to 1960. I saw him hit 34 straight fairways and 34 straight greens on the last day at Cherry Hills, U S Open "60" I have never seen Tiger hit 14 fairways in one day anywhere with a driver. Carl Welty
best swing ever, there is no, even technical, way to hit a golf ball better than that, all club players should just look at this swing over and over and try to get the pace of how Hogan hit the ball.
Oh Please enlighten us oh great one. I can tell you this, there is no one exact way to swing a golf club PERIOD! There have been so many great swingers of the club and many were totally different.
Tiger isn't trying to copy Ben Hogan. Tiger is trying to adopt a one plane golf swing, which is what Ben Hogan used. He is not trying to replicate Hogans swing.
Well, he's doing a poor job of it, if that's his aim, because if you use the standard definition of 1P almost nobody actually does it, esp. on full swings. Hogan came close, although even he wasn't quite 1P once he got past his "control swing" length. He was also only about 5'7" and stood fairly erect to the ball.
I know 1P has all the buzz, but it's a false standard, and virtually none of the people 1Pers cite as examples (among great players) actually have a 1P swing.
Its certainly the case that Tiger is trying to adopt a more one plane swing than before, whether it is one plane or not. Incidentally I don't know what anyone else feels about Tigers swing since he came back but in my opinion its the best his swing has ever looked. The results arent great yet but it looks beautiful.
It is "certain" that he is? I thought he was trying to get a bit _less_ flat on the backswing, which would be a move _away_ from 1P. Do you have a reference for that?
You're right--there's lots of disagreement about what he's doing. He's wild with the driver still, but I think that's just his inclination to hit it so hard, since it's been true no matter what he's working on. I'm inclined to think he knows what he's doing, and it seems to me the results are excellent.
I really do think TW's method is tremendously sound, and everything he does is aimed where it should be--better control and on-center contact. He knows he'll be plenty long enough; that's how you use your length the right way. But his real genius is his short game and extreme mental toughness.
Back to Hogan, though: Even he wasn't technically a true 1Per, although he was closer than most. I'm not sure why people chase that as an ideal, since nobody actually gets there.
Hogan shifted his weight by sliding up his right foot on a lot of his shots, especially the woods. Look at it in slow motion and you can see that his foot slides as much as ten inches. This means he shifted all of his weight to his left side. He did a lot of things that modern teachers frown upon (left heel off the ground and forward hip slide), however his ball striking spoke for itself.
Woods for sure trying to copy Hogan's swing working with Hank Haney but all the golf teachers are in reality are just guessing.Hogan i believe kept some of his secrets or his method to himself
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I know the Secret - Ben used the right hand to control the club, and he aimed the butt end of the club going back at the ball and target line, and then again during the downswing still controlling it with the right hand - he set his right knee inward to control his head movement and placed the weight on his heels - try this and see - Tiger is placing some of these traits into his swing which makes his plane better, although Snead had the swing Hogan really wanted, and his plane is like Hogan's
juicy...film or photos dont tell all..cause and effect syndrome...seen plenty of golfers in similar positions but never his overall motion so pieces are missing
That's a good question. I really don't know. It does seem like a buttload of money, to be sure. Then again, he was coaching something like four of the world's top seven players at one time, including #1. But the two confounding factors are 1) that was a long time ago, and 2) it's hard to tell how much of it was him and how much of it would have happened no matter who Faldo, Price, Els, etc., went to. I do think he must be very good, maybe $10K good, esp. if it moves you up the money list.
10k is what the rate would be for guys like you or anyone else watching this clip. Tour pros work out something else if they are big names. Like a Els or Faldo during their A+ days
Yeah, I know. I'm talking about what the coaching would be worth, not what tour pros would have to pay. As in, if the advice were enough to make a substantial difference in a pro's standing, that would indicate Lead might be worth the expense in general.
But it's interesting you brought up Els and Faldo. I'm absolutely positive Lead was critical to Faldo's success. I'm not sure Els was helped at all--and if that's true, I'm not sure whether that was Lead's fault or Ernie's.
totally agree with Faldo. They were like Haney and Tiger back than. But I actually think Lead was holding back some current popular players for a while until they started to come up more recently. Examples: Immelman and Justin Rose. Justin actually dropped him and went back to him. Hard to know how much benefit Leadbetter was to him. Them.
It's possible, for sure. I don't know. I'd like to see somebody test the hypothesis (I'm not sure how) that some players go to Lead specifically because they _want_ to adopt a mechanical approach (or maybe just a "swing-is-everything" approach), then they read everything he says in that light, and then they end up at the end of the wrong road, with their careers in real trouble. It's just a theory, but I wonder.
Michelle Wie would be a good example of that, I think. She was misguided from the beginning; she had this incredible, Snead-like natural swing, and for some reason her parents thought they "ought to" go to Leadbetter, as if she had some kind of deficiency. Well, she got a different approach, all right. I'm just not sure how much of that was his fault and how much was hers/theirs.
Re Justin Rose, I wish I knew what was going on with him. His swing looks mechanically very sound to me, but he's not contending as often as you'd think he would. As for Immelman, boy, has he ever dropped off the map. I don't know if it's something specific that Leadbetter is teaching that has affected them, or just an overfocus on the mechanical aspects of the swing as the central element in the game of golf (which is what I mean by the "swing is everything" error).
I remember since I was a kid, hearing tour players talk about how one of the biggest mistakes young pros make is to get out there, get intimidated by how good everybody is, decide that their own technique isn't good enough--that is, the technique that got them there in the first place--and start on this endless search for the "perfect method," and then you never hear from those guys again. Nobody ever talks about that these days, with the endless hyperdetailed analysis, all the gurus, etc.
It's interesting to see this great golfer's swing from that angle in the beginning of this video. I must study that. Practice, practise, practice, practise, practise, practise...
petereuropa 6 months ago
Sorry McGinnbros (below) that it took me so long to get back to you or more correctly to find this video. You point is can also be stated as "There is no such thing as the completely correct golf swing to imitate but everyone has their own correct swing to employ." Just find it on the range by experimentation then trust its utilization on the course. Easier said than done of course but eventually you have to trust something. What better than yourself? Thats the Zen part. Ohmmm.
bocephusnation0 7 months ago
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MIKE AUSTIN WAS THE GREAT TEACHES IN THE WORLD OF GOLF AND HE HIT THE GOLF BALL 515 YARD AT AGE 64, DAN SHAUGER LEARNED FROM THE BEST TEAHCES AUSTIN, I HAD SEVERAL LESSON FROM DAN AND NOW I HIT MY GOLF BALL STRAIGHT DOWN LINE NOW AND HE HELP WITH SHORT GAME AND PUTTING DAN HAS 2 BOOK AND 27 DVD aperfectswing THANK TO DAN I PLAY A BETTER AROUND OF GOLF NOW GREAT TEACHES DAN IS
bigboycat1 1 year ago 2
Great video of 1953 British Open ! Last major for Ben. Finished in the top 10 in the U S Open every year he played from 1941 to 1960. I saw him hit 34 straight fairways and 34 straight greens on the last day at Cherry Hills, U S Open "60" I have never seen Tiger hit 14 fairways in one day anywhere with a driver. Carl Welty
Weltycarl 2 years ago 4
best swing ever, there is no, even technical, way to hit a golf ball better than that, all club players should just look at this swing over and over and try to get the pace of how Hogan hit the ball.
tarkstar99 2 years ago 2
Oh Please enlighten us oh great one. I can tell you this, there is no one exact way to swing a golf club PERIOD! There have been so many great swingers of the club and many were totally different.
McGinnbros 2 years ago
Tiger isn't trying to copy Ben Hogan. Tiger is trying to adopt a one plane golf swing, which is what Ben Hogan used. He is not trying to replicate Hogans swing.
SmallDannyJW 3 years ago
Well, he's doing a poor job of it, if that's his aim, because if you use the standard definition of 1P almost nobody actually does it, esp. on full swings. Hogan came close, although even he wasn't quite 1P once he got past his "control swing" length. He was also only about 5'7" and stood fairly erect to the ball.
I know 1P has all the buzz, but it's a false standard, and virtually none of the people 1Pers cite as examples (among great players) actually have a 1P swing.
emncaity 3 years ago
Its certainly the case that Tiger is trying to adopt a more one plane swing than before, whether it is one plane or not. Incidentally I don't know what anyone else feels about Tigers swing since he came back but in my opinion its the best his swing has ever looked. The results arent great yet but it looks beautiful.
SmallDannyJW 3 years ago
It is "certain" that he is? I thought he was trying to get a bit _less_ flat on the backswing, which would be a move _away_ from 1P. Do you have a reference for that?
You're right--there's lots of disagreement about what he's doing. He's wild with the driver still, but I think that's just his inclination to hit it so hard, since it's been true no matter what he's working on. I'm inclined to think he knows what he's doing, and it seems to me the results are excellent.
emncaity 3 years ago
I really do think TW's method is tremendously sound, and everything he does is aimed where it should be--better control and on-center contact. He knows he'll be plenty long enough; that's how you use your length the right way. But his real genius is his short game and extreme mental toughness.
Back to Hogan, though: Even he wasn't technically a true 1Per, although he was closer than most. I'm not sure why people chase that as an ideal, since nobody actually gets there.
emncaity 3 years ago
Hogan shifted his weight by sliding up his right foot on a lot of his shots, especially the woods. Look at it in slow motion and you can see that his foot slides as much as ten inches. This means he shifted all of his weight to his left side. He did a lot of things that modern teachers frown upon (left heel off the ground and forward hip slide), however his ball striking spoke for itself.
TheHammerManOfGolf 4 years ago
Woods for sure trying to copy Hogan's swing working with Hank Haney but all the golf teachers are in reality are just guessing.Hogan i believe kept some of his secrets or his method to himself
benhoganfan 4 years ago
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I know the Secret - Ben used the right hand to control the club, and he aimed the butt end of the club going back at the ball and target line, and then again during the downswing still controlling it with the right hand - he set his right knee inward to control his head movement and placed the weight on his heels - try this and see - Tiger is placing some of these traits into his swing which makes his plane better, although Snead had the swing Hogan really wanted, and his plane is like Hogan's
prideventures 4 years ago
benhoganfan: kept secrets or methods to himself? How? all you have to do is watch old tapes and his methods can be easily deciphered.
juicyfruitzy 3 years ago
juicy...film or photos dont tell all..cause and effect syndrome...seen plenty of golfers in similar positions but never his overall motion so pieces are missing
benhoganfan 3 years ago
why are tiger fans so boring and one eyed,tiger looks like Ben not the other way,as tiger came after Ben,for the Tiger Fans who dont understand
richard1831949 4 years ago 2
Well said, my man. Good on ya.
emncaity 4 years ago
moot point
shinesinpines 3 years ago
Sheer poetry and awesome dynamics. I am still searching in the dirt.
themantam 4 years ago
or look in your wallet, like so many tour players do *COUGH david leadbetter*
shinesinpines 3 years ago 2
Another "Leadbetter sucks" guy, I guess?
emncaity 3 years ago
i wouldn't say that. I do think he isn't worth 10k a day. But maybe you do...
shinesinpines 3 years ago
That's a good question. I really don't know. It does seem like a buttload of money, to be sure. Then again, he was coaching something like four of the world's top seven players at one time, including #1. But the two confounding factors are 1) that was a long time ago, and 2) it's hard to tell how much of it was him and how much of it would have happened no matter who Faldo, Price, Els, etc., went to. I do think he must be very good, maybe $10K good, esp. if it moves you up the money list.
emncaity 3 years ago
10k is what the rate would be for guys like you or anyone else watching this clip. Tour pros work out something else if they are big names. Like a Els or Faldo during their A+ days
shinesinpines 3 years ago
Yeah, I know. I'm talking about what the coaching would be worth, not what tour pros would have to pay. As in, if the advice were enough to make a substantial difference in a pro's standing, that would indicate Lead might be worth the expense in general.
But it's interesting you brought up Els and Faldo. I'm absolutely positive Lead was critical to Faldo's success. I'm not sure Els was helped at all--and if that's true, I'm not sure whether that was Lead's fault or Ernie's.
emncaity 3 years ago
totally agree with Faldo. They were like Haney and Tiger back than. But I actually think Lead was holding back some current popular players for a while until they started to come up more recently. Examples: Immelman and Justin Rose. Justin actually dropped him and went back to him. Hard to know how much benefit Leadbetter was to him. Them.
shinesinpines 3 years ago
It's possible, for sure. I don't know. I'd like to see somebody test the hypothesis (I'm not sure how) that some players go to Lead specifically because they _want_ to adopt a mechanical approach (or maybe just a "swing-is-everything" approach), then they read everything he says in that light, and then they end up at the end of the wrong road, with their careers in real trouble. It's just a theory, but I wonder.
emncaity 3 years ago
Michelle Wie would be a good example of that, I think. She was misguided from the beginning; she had this incredible, Snead-like natural swing, and for some reason her parents thought they "ought to" go to Leadbetter, as if she had some kind of deficiency. Well, she got a different approach, all right. I'm just not sure how much of that was his fault and how much was hers/theirs.
emncaity 3 years ago
Re Justin Rose, I wish I knew what was going on with him. His swing looks mechanically very sound to me, but he's not contending as often as you'd think he would. As for Immelman, boy, has he ever dropped off the map. I don't know if it's something specific that Leadbetter is teaching that has affected them, or just an overfocus on the mechanical aspects of the swing as the central element in the game of golf (which is what I mean by the "swing is everything" error).
emncaity 3 years ago
I remember since I was a kid, hearing tour players talk about how one of the biggest mistakes young pros make is to get out there, get intimidated by how good everybody is, decide that their own technique isn't good enough--that is, the technique that got them there in the first place--and start on this endless search for the "perfect method," and then you never hear from those guys again. Nobody ever talks about that these days, with the endless hyperdetailed analysis, all the gurus, etc.
emncaity 3 years ago
the finish in the last clip looks so much like tiger
nhojsenoj 4 years ago 2
Es igual al de tiger.
Las enseñanzas de Ben Hogan son eternas.
Si tuviesemos a Ben vs Tiger HOY, sin duda Ben se lo come vivo a Tiger.
PAPITOROY 4 years ago
pure swing
wish i had a swing like that
check mine out
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swing i have
13yroldgolfer 4 years ago
Great stuff of him at Carnoustie. I had never seen the second clip before. Thanks for posting.
reflectivegoat 4 years ago
greatest golf swing to ever exist, in cotnext with the time period
GoonerAlias 4 years ago
The Great Ben Hogan..Always a pleasure to watch his swing...Thanks for the video mate!
maremabe 4 years ago
Great swing but I can't see. It may as well be Alan Shepard on the moon
asprun 4 years ago
If you cant see it mate..you should buy "The five lessons of Ben Hogan"...an absolute gen of a book
maremabe 4 years ago
Awesome slo-mo hogan footage. Tks for posting
kidwilson33 4 years ago