I think that free-will is completely absent just not without external influences. We are influenced every day but there is some sense of consent to those wants. @Mr.Beautifulba1 If you find the Truth but still die, there was no real reason to find. Your plight would be the same as those who are ignorant. I believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead and that He is just. His integrity is something that I value as evidence for His truth.
I don't remember asking to be born into a world of sin. I also don't remember being asked for this whole sacrificial scenario to be performed for me. I'd rather just not exist at all. I don't want anyone to be tortured for me. That's ridiculous. Also Why can't god just make us all more like Jesus ??
@MrBeautifulba1 these are all fair and rational questions --- which can only be answered by predestination, God's sovereignty and right to do as he pleases.
@Dadutta If free will is an illusion then that means that your "god" is the one who is causing me to type the following words that you now have NO CHOICE but to read. "god" and belief are only projections of our own mind. The "gods" that we follow are created by our hopes and fears, by our desire for inward security and reassurance: With the worship of authority there comes submission to an illusion. The "god" of the bible is that illusion. To find "god" you must drop your concept of "god".
@MrBeautifulba1 the exact opposite - God is the one who predesitnes everything. In the free will scenario, man is the deified creation which causes good and evil and creates by its power - in the predestination scenario, God is fully sovereign, doing everything.
@Dadutta So then, "god" predestined you to have to deal with these issues on a format known as youtube. These videos posted on youtube are for anyone to watch and comment upon. I don't understand why you would have a problem with this, since your "god" predestined you to be apart of these conversations."God" obviously wants you to be apart of this right ? Why is "god" making you read these words ? Is it your choice or "his" ?
@MrBeautifulba1 Ok I will enter into a discussion with you if you are indeed honest and refrain from name-calling. So I can direct you to an article answering these questions better than myself, or I can take a stab at something specifc. The thing is, I doesn't appear you're a bible-believers, though perhaps I'm mistaken --- so if I were to prove predestination, or prove evidence, it would have to be from the bible (which, if you don't believe in it, makes me wonder what is goal of the debate)
@Dadutta I don't remember name calling. If I did I apologize. The point of the debate is that I want to discover what is true and real. I don't agree with teaching children that a god of love will send them to hell for eternity if they don't adhere to the "correct" version of the bible. This belief is damaging in my opinion.
@MrBeautifulba1 You didn't name-call, I was just setting a parameter. Personally, I don't believe in eternal hell. I guess I should repeat that in order to make any of my arguments for predestination, assuming that's the topic that interests you, I will have to refer to the Bible - would you find this convincing ?
If not, then what should I consider the goal of the debate ?
@Dadutta I don't believe in the authority of the bible. I would suggest youtubing Christopher Hitchens: Christianity is immoral. That would explain my point much better than I can right now. I do have to go but would like to continue this later. The goal of the debate is to find the truth. Peace.
I think that free-will is completely absent just not without external influences. We are influenced every day but there is some sense of consent to those wants. @Mr.Beautifulba1 If you find the Truth but still die, there was no real reason to find. Your plight would be the same as those who are ignorant. I believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead and that He is just. His integrity is something that I value as evidence for His truth.
Masaries1234 1 month ago
I don't remember asking to be born into a world of sin. I also don't remember being asked for this whole sacrificial scenario to be performed for me. I'd rather just not exist at all. I don't want anyone to be tortured for me. That's ridiculous. Also Why can't god just make us all more like Jesus ??
MrBeautifulba1 5 months ago
@MrBeautifulba1 these are all fair and rational questions --- which can only be answered by predestination, God's sovereignty and right to do as he pleases.
Dadutta 4 months ago in playlist Politics / Projects Piper
@Dadutta "Predestination and god's sovereignty" are mere words that create illusion.
MrBeautifulba1 4 months ago
@MrBeautifulba1 free will is an illusion
Dadutta 4 months ago
@Dadutta If free will is an illusion then that means that your "god" is the one who is causing me to type the following words that you now have NO CHOICE but to read. "god" and belief are only projections of our own mind. The "gods" that we follow are created by our hopes and fears, by our desire for inward security and reassurance: With the worship of authority there comes submission to an illusion. The "god" of the bible is that illusion. To find "god" you must drop your concept of "god".
MrBeautifulba1 4 months ago
@MrBeautifulba1 the exact opposite - God is the one who predesitnes everything. In the free will scenario, man is the deified creation which causes good and evil and creates by its power - in the predestination scenario, God is fully sovereign, doing everything.
Dadutta 4 months ago
@MrBeautifulba1 this video is for bible-believers; what you're doing spamming this page is beyond me. show some decency.
Dadutta 4 months ago
@Dadutta So then, "god" predestined you to have to deal with these issues on a format known as youtube. These videos posted on youtube are for anyone to watch and comment upon. I don't understand why you would have a problem with this, since your "god" predestined you to be apart of these conversations."God" obviously wants you to be apart of this right ? Why is "god" making you read these words ? Is it your choice or "his" ?
MrBeautifulba1 4 months ago
@MrBeautifulba1 Ok I will enter into a discussion with you if you are indeed honest and refrain from name-calling. So I can direct you to an article answering these questions better than myself, or I can take a stab at something specifc. The thing is, I doesn't appear you're a bible-believers, though perhaps I'm mistaken --- so if I were to prove predestination, or prove evidence, it would have to be from the bible (which, if you don't believe in it, makes me wonder what is goal of the debate)
Dadutta 4 months ago
@Dadutta I don't remember name calling. If I did I apologize. The point of the debate is that I want to discover what is true and real. I don't agree with teaching children that a god of love will send them to hell for eternity if they don't adhere to the "correct" version of the bible. This belief is damaging in my opinion.
MrBeautifulba1 4 months ago
@MrBeautifulba1 You didn't name-call, I was just setting a parameter. Personally, I don't believe in eternal hell. I guess I should repeat that in order to make any of my arguments for predestination, assuming that's the topic that interests you, I will have to refer to the Bible - would you find this convincing ?
If not, then what should I consider the goal of the debate ?
Dadutta 4 months ago
@Dadutta I don't believe in the authority of the bible. I would suggest youtubing Christopher Hitchens: Christianity is immoral. That would explain my point much better than I can right now. I do have to go but would like to continue this later. The goal of the debate is to find the truth. Peace.
MrBeautifulba1 4 months ago
@MrBeautifulba1 And peace to you as well.
Dadutta 4 months ago
God in sparing sinners by Christ's death demonstrates his justice....that's crazy. Wow!
timothybitz 7 months ago