Also lets not forget that in the early 70's the Dolphins were coming into their prime... when Warfield, Csonka, and Kiick went over to the WFL. If all three would have stayed with Miami, we would not even talk about the Steelers. The Dolphins could have been even better. I agree that the '73 team was better.
I'll go one step where no one in this conversation has gone-- the '73 Dolphins were even BETTER than the '72 team, in my opinion. They all their post-season opponents, and went 15-2 in a season where everyone knew what their strengths were, and were gunning for them.
combined 32-2 over two seasons. Find a team that has ever done that. You will not
Remember the three (non-racist) "little monkey" comments made by Cosell? Who was #2 about??
#1. "That little monkey. The theory was that he was too small for pro football." - 08/29/1972 Chiefs @ Giants preseason HOF game (re: Mike Adamle - white guy)
#2. "Look at that little monkey run!" (re: an unknown player, white or black? game, punt/kickoff return?) MERCURY MORRIS???
#3. "That little monkey gets loose doesn't he." - 09/05/1983 Dallas @ Washington (re: Alvin Garrett - black guy)
why is everyone undermining them right now they had the top O top D 2 thousand yard rushers and won every single game they played no they didnt throw for 5000 yards like the pack or the pats but thats cause it was a running league the pats wouldnt have been able to pass back then receivers couldve got mugged and no call now if you look at one wrong you get a penalty. this is a team who went from HOF QB to Earl Morrall back to your HOF QB in the playoffs this is THE best team ever
Honestly I'd barely put the 72 Dolphins top 10 all time. They played nobody (.367 winning %) and they beat zero, ZERO playoff teams in the regular season. Yes, they won 3 playoff games, but they did so barely. Also, it's great that they did that with a back up qb but stop trying to make that part of the argument that they were the best team. It doesn't matter who you could've played, it's who you played. Maybe Griese could've made them better, but he wasn't in, you don't measure in potential.
Congratulations. You fell for every simplistic angle. Spoken like a true member of the brainwashed BCS era, where it's impossible to evaluate a team other than its opposition. I guess if Usain Bolt ran against nothing but 3rd graders for the next 9 months, we'd exclude him from the London Olympics based on strength of schedule.
That said, I am worried about Green Bay this season. Any Given Sunday is a myth in Roger Goodell's pantyhose finesse NFL. All it takes is a premier QB.
@AwsiDooger Your analogy about Usain Bolt fails to recognize how thoroughly the competition is beaten. The 72 Dolphins were indeed a great team, but using your analogy in full, teams like the 85 Bears and 07 Pats beat 6th grade competition more soundly than the Dolphins did 3rd grade competition. They beat higher competition more thoroughly. Also, Green Bay's very good but they look 14-2ish, you can't give up 300 yards passing a game and not lose the whole year. Still, they'll probably repeat
@xSteagle They were a great team, I'm not arguing against that. But when it comes into context of greatest team of all-time, you have to factor in how thoroughly they beat teams and at what level those teams were. There are a half dozen teams in NFL history who dominated a much tougher set of teams better or close to equal to the Dolphins and their easy schedule. Also, these teams were much more dominant in the playoffs. The Dolphins were the best team in 1972, but to be GOAT or even...
@Irvinelover3 The NFL schedules the games. Once in a while, you may get those "easy teams" but no win is easy in the NFL. For example, the Saints lost to the Rams this year. That's easy?
@xSteagle I realize the NFL schedules the games, but sometimes the schedule is pretty advantageous. Also, although few games are very easy in the NFL, bad teams are still much easier to beat than good teams. Maybe the Saints lost to the Rams but if they played a team like the Rams 16 times they probably win 14 or 15 easily. Obviously a schedule is never that extreme but you get the point. Even though teams like the 85 Bears had 1 loss, they were clearly more dominant, the lost b/c they played...
@Irvinelover3 No, I think you mean... No win is easy but some wins are easier than others. The level of difficulty is different for each opponent. Therefore, as I've said, no win is easy. Just accept the fact that the Dolphins dominated. Can you say undefeated? They can.
@xSteagle Let's not throw BS out there, there are few easy games, but they are there, saying there are ZERO easy games is just a coach's motivational BS. Also, do you even read my comments? All I said was that the Dolphins aren't in my top 5 teams OF ALL-TIME. That means out of 1,000s of NFL teams they are in my top 10, they were clearly a great team (as I have made painfully clear) and were dominant. My point is they are not the greatest and have explained why. That's as clear as I can get.
@Irvinelover3 The greatest is only an opinion. You would have to play in the NFL to understand how hard going undefeated is. You are entitled to your opinion but you must first see both side of the story. They may have not played as the greatest team but their record has been the greatest.
@xSteagle Yes going undefeated is very tough, that's true. Obviously those who play have the best sense, but as a fan (especially living up in Pats country) I still have a pretty good sense as well. Also, yes it's an opinion, but that doesn't mean it's worthless. If my opinion has a great amount of evidence to support it (which this one does) than it does count for something. On the other hand if I was arguing that the 0-16 Lions were better than the 72 Dolphins I'd might as well stop right now.
@m2diggs Yes I am aware of that, but it doesn't change anything though when assessing team greatness. With Griese those Dolphins are most likely even better, but you don't measure great teams in terms of potential, you measure them by how they played with who they put on the field. Sure, it makes the Dolphins' run even more impressive, but noting who was on the sideline doesn't prove a team's greatness. Using that logic we can say the 2011 Colts are by the greatest 0-10 team of all-time...
@Irvinelover3 Sorry but you're wrong. that team was great because of all the obstacles they had to go through that season. staying perfect all the while playing without the 1st string HOF QB.at the end of the day, no team in professional sports has accomplished what they accomplished. it remains to be seen what Green Bay does. the best team of all time? that's debatable. last time I check the great 85 Bears had 1 blemish which by the way was a beat down at the hands of the fins. just sayin.
@m2diggs No, I'm not wrong, all I'm saying is that you don't become a better team b/c of who is on your bench, overcoming obstacles is a sign of perseverance, not betterment. The 72 Dolphins with Bob Griese is a hypothetical team, I deal with the real 72 Dolphins when I assess where they rank on greatest teams of all time. Also, yes the Bears do have 1 blemish, but that is but 1 game out of 19. Look at who they played and how those Bears dominated, the Bears dominated a much tougher...
@Irvinelover3 And strength of schedule,really? how is it their fault that their competition didn't perform at a higher level? and I seem to recall one of those victories coming against the Steel Curtain in their own backyard and another against a great Washington team that couldn't muster a single point until our clutzy kicker decided to become our temporary QB on one botched snap/kick.
@m2diggs ...slate of opponents more thoroughly than the Dolphins dominated their much weaker ones. Yes, they had 1 loss and it brings them down some, but give the Dolphins the 85 Bears schedule and I doubt they go 18-1 and outscore teams by almost 18 a game.
But then again, according to you, why should I use strength of schedule as an argument? Well, when you assess how good a team it's pretty important to know who they played (and how well they played them). I'm not saying it's the...
@m2diggs ... Dolphins' fault they played easy teams, I've said this before, it was just an unintended lucky schedule. But that's besides the point, it doesn't matter whether or not they are at fault for their easy schedule, the fact is they played it.
Also, they did beat good teams in the playoffs, I'm not denying that either, but it's much easier to go 3-0 against playoff teams throughout a whole season, rather than 8-0 (the impossible task the Bears faced).
@m2diggs ...did was something very impressive, especially because they persevered to do it. But there have been better teams than the 72 Dolphins and just b/c the Dolphins used a backup qb doesn't mean they are any better, it doesn't matter what they could've done w/Griese, he wasn't on the field!!!!
Well, sorry for the long winded response but I wanted toget across what I needed to say. Let me be clear, in no way am I saying that these Dolphins weren't very good...
@m2diggs ...I'm saying that it would be overrating them to make them the GOAT. They leave a huge mark in NFL history, but in terms of greatest teams, they don't leave the biggest one.
@Irvinelover3 Perfection just can't be overlooked despite their lackluster schedule. any team can win on any given Sunday which makes their accomplishment much greater. you brought up perseverance, is that one of the qualities of a great team? until another team accomplishes such a feet, they deserve to be in the conversation of one of the all time great teams. the NFL network agrees with me rating them #1 all time.
@m2diggs Perfection isn't overlooked, but it's not the only thing, it's still a great accomplishment though. Also, perseverance isn't a sign of a team being even better, it's a sign of a team overcoming an obstacle to almost (or fully) get back to where they were before. When Earl Morall stepped in and played well, the Dolphins weren't a better team b/c of it, they were a team that overcame the obstacle of losing their starting quarterback by becoming almost as good w/o him. A great team...
@m2diggs ... doesn't necessarily overcome obstacles, in fact great teams usually avoid obstacles (mainly injuries) b/c obstacles impede them from being great. There's a reason the nfl counts wins and losses for the team on the field. It's tough if you get a lot of guys hurt, but that happens sometimes and you are judged by how you play with the players on the field.
As I said I am not excluding the Dolphins from the conversation of an all-time great teams, they are an all-time great team...
@m2diggs ...but I just don't believe they are at the very top of that list. NFL Network may have them #1, but I disagree, they aren't always correct. But anyway, all credit to the 72 Dolphins and they were an all-time great team, they just aren't the cream of the crop.
...a much tougher set of opponents. It's tough to go undefeated even against a weak set of opponents, but it's easily tougher to lose just 1 games (and pound these teams more thoroughly) against a much tougher slate.
@Irvinelover3 Honestly, I know about their schedule. What could they do about it? They won every game with a backup QB, and YES, that IS part of the equation. What would the 2005 Colts have done with Jim Sorgi for eleven games or the 2011 Packers with Matt Flynn, or the 2007 Pats with Matt Cassell??? We had to win the AFC Championship on the road, we had two 1000 yard rushers, number one offense and defense in yards and points. 32- 2 in two seasons. NFL network picked us # 1 all-time.
@J72dolphins I've explained this before, I never said that the Dolphins schedule is their fault it just happened to be that way, so you have to measure them by how well they beat their schedule. Compared to teams like the 85 Bears, it's not even close. Also the backup QB isn't part of, actually your examples work against you. Let's say the 07 Pats went 14-2 w/Cassel and won the Super Bowl (not saying it would happen, just an example), with that record and SB win they could easily be considered..
@J72dolphins ..an all-time great. But, can you move them higher because they did it with their backup QB? No! You're mixing up better w/more impressive, it made it more impressive that the Dolphins did it w/a backup QB, but it doesn't make them a better team. The team w/a healthy Griese is a hypothetical team, not a real team, just like a Tom Brady-led Pats team is in this scenario. I give the Dolphins kudos for persevering, but when talking greatness I consider the team that actually played.
Matt Casell is a mediocre QB. You can't assume he would have won 14 games. The point is no other team has gone undefeated and they were also # 1 in offense AND defense in points AND yards. How about winning AFC title on road? NO other team would have approached going undefeated with their backup QB. Your buddy Mike Ditka says they are the best team ever. We'll never really know. We stand alone and everyone else is a little jealous. Happy New Year.
@J72dolphins The Matt Cassel scenario was hypothetical, I don't actually think that would've happened. Anyway, I understand that they were undefeated and led various statisical categories and won an AFCCG on the road. They were a great team, but I don' t they were the greatest and doing it with a backup QB has nothing to do with how good a team is but how resilient they are and how prepared they are for plan b. Anyway Ditka's not my buddy and I disagree with him, and a Happy New Year to you too.
@Irvinelover3 At that time and place... The Miami Dolphins were the best. They played their schedule that was given to them... they overcame injuries, and won. It does not matter how they won... they won and made it interesting. #39 Zonka was the best FB ever... when the NFL ran the ball. Sure there have been other great teams (Like the Steelers, late 70's) Lets take one year at a time, and agree that anyone can win on any given Sunday. For that time... The Dolphins were the BEST.
@ocndvr It does not matter how they won? If you're trying to argue that for whether or not the Dolphins deserved the Super Bowl that year, your argument makes sense. It doesn't matter how much you win by, you get the Super Bowl trophy if you win the Super Bowl. But if you are doing a list of all-time great teams, how they won absolutely matters. You can't just look at record, you have to look at how dominant they were with that record (and against what strength of opponents as well). Yes, they..
@ocndvr .. played the schedule that was given to them but still I see an 85 Bears team with a significantly tougher schedule dominating more. Did they have a loss? Yes, and that surely knocks them down, but not nearly far enough to fall behind the Dolphins. I know the Dolphins played the teams they could and I'm not blaming them for it, but comparing how they did against those teams with some other great all-time teams with more difficult schedules, it is clears that those Dolphins aren't #1.
@MoveOnDotOrgg I think we all understand why no team has finished a season undefeated in 40 years, IT IS EXTREMELY TOUGH! I give the Dolphins great credit for what they did and they surely are one of the game's all-time best, but they aren't the best. Record matters but so does schedule. No team has gone undefeated since 1972 because no really good team has quite the schedule the Dolphins had. It is one of the game's easiest all-time schedules for an all-time great team. Look at teams like...
@MoveOnDotOrgg ...the 85 Bears and the 89 49ers, they lost game(s) because their schedules were much tougher. Yet, overall they still dominated their opponents more thoroughly than the Dolphins especially in the playoffs. So, the 1972 undefeated season stands alone (well not if you want to include the 1948 Cleveland Browns of the AAFC) because of the combination of one of the NFL's easiest schedules with a great team. Give the 85 Bears that schedule and I bet they do better.
@Irvinelover3 Irvine, every year, one team ends up with the "easiest" schedule, mathematically. How many of those teams have gone undefeated. The Dolphins faced four future Hall of Fame quarterbacks that year, and beat one of them on BOTH outings (Namath). Griese played in 7 of the seventeen games, by the way. Dolphin-haters always come out with the same old baseless arguments, without looking at reality. By the way,winning percentage includes the games they lost to the Fins.
@pbrealtor Not a Dolphin-hater, I'm the one being realistic. Yes every team ends up with an "easy" schedule, but first of all, the Dolphins schedule was maybe one of the easiest schedules of all-time. Also, it's very unusual for one of the league's best teams to get the easiest schedule. Especially with today's scheduling rules, it is near impossible for a great team to get any easy slate of opponents, so these reasons are why this hasn't happened since 72. Also props to the Dolphins for...
@pbrealtor beating 4 HOF QBs, but last time I checked, this is a team game and back in the 70s, the QB had much less of a burden than today's bunch. Look at Tarkenton's game in SB VIII, he threw for 182 yards which was a very good amount. Tarkenton is a HOFer, but if Brady threw for 182 yards today, people would be wondering what was wrong with him. So beating HOF QBs really doesn't tell the full story...
@pbrealtor you have to look at the team. In regards to Griese being injured, I've beat this point to death, that tells us nothing about how good this team was. It only tells us how they could rebound from a bad circumstance. The 1972 Dolphins with a full season of Bob Griese is a hypothetical team, not the real one, so that argument is the one that is baseless. This all isn't tough to figure out when you have an unbiased look.
@Irvinelover3 Thanks for your response. I think the Dolphins would not have missed a beat with Griese in the whole year. Shula built a system that worked with either quarterback, and the 17-0 season (as well as the next one in '73, which I think was actually a better team overall) is a tribute to him, and his coaching.
You make good points, and I enjoy the conversation.
@pbrealtor Thank you for your response as well. Shula indeed was a great coach and Morall came in as if nothing changed. I agree that the 73 team was amazing as well, and is definitely another all-time great (as a Vikings fan I know how good that team was from the pounding we took from them in the Super Bowl). I also enjoy this conversation as well when it is with people like you (who can argue with civility).
Have a great day, even without the Dolphins or Vikings today should be a great game!
Any of you who want to tear down this achievement know NOTHING about professional sports. I've heard them all: "They had the weakest schedule!!" EVERY year, some team has the weakest schedule. Its a mathematical certainty. Show me how many have won the Super Bowl.
Stop already. Like Merc says-- when you are in my living room, then talk. Until then, ALL of you have fallen short.
@dolfangirl1 hey man you guys caught the 85 bears at a real bad time i think if the bears played them again they would have gotten killed. I honestly think the bears would beat the 72 dolphins in a "close" one. this defense was way too good
People like to think that the '72 Phins were not very dominant because they didn't run up the score (except against the Pats 52-0). Miami almost ran for 3000yds in 14 games! That's over 200yds a game!
The reason there weren't many blowouts is because they played with class and payed TO WIN THE GAME. This is not the BCS. They controlled the clock, ran the ball, and played great D.
@filthyswit good point..but im tired of hearing how the 72 dolphins were the greatest team ever....if they were to play teams from now there is now way they would go unefeated.....tge 2007 patriots would rip them apart.....the 2010 packers would eat them alive...90s cowboys same.....80s niners....85 bears....i could go on and on but they were just the best team at that time....they were one dimensional and just they 17-0 doesnt mean shit..they only played to teams with winning records,
Trivia question: Who's the ONLY team to go undefeated, win the Super Bowl, be # 1 in offense and defense in points AND yards, and win the AFC title on the road. Wake up and show respect. If any of your other precious teams lost their backup QB, they would go down quickly. The '07 Pats got lucky when one of the Raven's coaches was allowed a timeout, when he shouldn't have been and gave Brady another shot at a fourth down play. They should have been 15-1. 1972 Miami Dolphins stand alone. Ha!
@J72dolphins shoulda coulda woulda.....bottom line is players and teams are far faster stronger and more athletic now than they were in the 70s....they were the best at that time...take a time machine and put them against some modern teams and they wouldnt last very long period....plenty of teams could beat them i could name 15 off the top of my head that would destroy the 72 dolphins...quit living in the past.
Who do you think are the five best teams ever? By the way, the past is everything. I realize everyone is bigger and faster now, but we were the best ever for one season and no one else can make that claim. You'll start to realize that as the years go by. By your theory the 2011 Rams could beat the " 85 Bears and "78 Steelers. Not the right thinking.
there are many teams from today that could beat the 72 dolphins...2011 rams...no they couldnt...but 2011 packers Saints, patriots, and so on and so on would anniahlate the 72 dolphins...like i said before the 72 dolphins were the best of that time...but they wouldnt be able to match with such high powered offenses of today.
@duckjockey10 2007 PATS??? Uh...NO...They didn't even win the SUPER BOWL....And since they lost to the GIANTS that year....The Steelers of the 70s pound the crap out of Brady..A LOT worse than the front four of the 07 Giants...And the Pats would NOT stop Swann, Stallworth, Franco, Rocky and Bradshaw...
@duckjockey10 How can you, who told me to stop living in the past, put the '62 Packers in the top five of all-time?? They are really great, but they are REALLY in the distant past. You said teams are stronger and more athletic now. Make up your mind. Also, STOP saying that newer teams would 'destroy' or annihilate the '72 Dolphins. That's just really naive.
@J72dolphins just because i put the 62 packers on the top 5 doesnt mean they could beat any team from nowadays....as a matter of fact nearly most of them wouldnt match up....and I wont stop saying what i have....the 72 dolphins are an all time great team but having an undeafeated season when there was only 14 games a season means nothing other than they were undefeated that season..doesnt make them the greatest of all time...period.
1972 Dolphins lost their starting quarter back to injury for almost 2/3 of the season,including playoffs. If you were to do the same thing to the majority of other great teams,say Tom Brady for example, they probably wouldn't make the playoffs. Add that if those other great teams had to play championship game away many of those would have surely lost,it's just the law of averages.
Yes, their schedule was soft that year, but they also did most of this with a 38-year-old backup quarterback, and the part not mentioned here is they beat the Steelers in the AFC Championship IN PITTSBURGH to get back to the Super Bowl. There was no best record home field advantage then!
@dolfangirl1 I'm not going to argue with you. I'm pointing out the fact this team accomplished this by winning a conference title game ON THE ROAD and did it with a 38-year-old backup QB is tantamount to making the accomplishment legitimate! Now with teams sewing up home field advantage based on won/loss records, it's virtually impossible, and I'm OVERJOYED THE '07 PATS ENDED UP 18 AND NO!
@HaloElitesrule Only if they realize Chad Henne is not the answer at quarterback! It irritates me no end the DON'T PHINS could have had MATT RYAN! FIRE TONY SPARANO! FIRE DAN HENNING! TRADE HENNE THE BUM! Make a trade that can land them Cam Newton!
@arnoldomexicano When they FIRE TONY SPARANO! FIRE DAN HENNING! AND TRADE HENNE THE BUM! The next time I play the Florida Lotto, I'm going to say, "Give me a Chad Henne!" When the person behind the counter asks me what that is, I'm going to say, "PICK SIX!"
Don't forget there was no "Home Field Advantage" for division winners back then. It rotated, and Miami had to beat Pittsburgh IN PITTSBURGH just to get to the Super Bowl. Then Shula got greedy by trying to win the Super Bowl 17-0 instead of punting it away.
Perfect end of story. All you loser haters that keep on bringing up the same shit. Remember this 17-0 never lost all season and won the big one. They went on the road and beat Pittsburgh even though the Dolphins were undefeated. Overrated I think not. Give it up you bozo haters who keep on saying the Dolphins beat nobody. Hey everyone in the Playoffs they played had winning records and they beat them too. Shut up losers. Dolphins just perfect 72.
The Dolphins were good and lucky. The game against the Giants that year was an example of that. Miami played tough, but the Giants made mistakes. New York should have won that week 13 game. Sometimes it takes a little luck. However, the '72 Dolphins were great. They were loaded and well coached. Their bread and butter was the running game. Teams could not stop it. The defense was in your face. Add everything else and you have 17-0. George Vreeland Hill
Don't confuse overrated with being good. They were the only team in the 70's to play in three straight Super Bowls. They ranked #1 on offense AND defense in 72' , in both yardage AND points. 90 years have gone by, and yet this is the only team to win against everyone. Overrated? Kinda hard to say that when NO other team has accomplished a greater feat. And that Sonny remark is hilarious. Not a Fin's fan here, but I can't resist the opportunity to put someone in their place.
I'd heard that Larry Seiple took it upon himself to make that run on 4th down. And the Steelers weren't expecting it at all. They all had their backs to him.
As a lifelong Dolphin fan growing up in the 70s in Miami (too young to recall the 72 season).....I can't understand why the average football fan tries to belittle their accomplishments. Most people don't know Miami had to play the AFC title game in Pittsburgh (even though Miami had a better record) b/c the NFL had a rule that the conference title games rotated by division each year.
I think most of the hatred of the 1972 Dolphins comes because of its current mouthpiece, Mercury Morris. He's the guy the media run to in order to get the crazy commentary. He's a loudmouth and can be way too abrasive about teams challenging for their mark. But he's got the right to be a loudmouth, because he and his team walked the walk and got it done. (He's darn entertaining with his loudmouthness, too.)
No bubble to burst scooter. Just why did Allen bench Jurgensen? Obviously, he wasn't getting the job done in the first place. The Dolphins played the games, and they won them all. Nuff said. As Shula says, 17-0 says it all. Overrated? I think not. And I'm not the only one by any means.
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I hate to burst your bubble, but in addition to the comments made about the Vikings game, George Allen gave the Dolphins a huge gift when he benched Jurgensen in favor of Billy Kilmer. If Sonny had played, the 'Skins would have won no prob. The '72 Dolphins are the most overrated team in NFL history, and their record should definitely carry an asterisk.
Burst my bubble? LOL. Haters of the 1972 Dolphins are remarkably pathetic. I love it when theres a tease of perfection. Imagine the agony when if fails, like Saints and Colts deep into 2009.
Asterisk? Yeah, for using a backup QB for 3 months. The Vikings comments mean squat. It's typical desperation. Every game has a key penalty here and there. The Sonny Jurgensen remark is similar. He threw 59 passes in 1972 and basically hadn't played in two years.
@AwsiDooger Every year, IMMEDIATELY after the last undefeated goes down, my phone rings. It's one of my best friends, and he and I yell, "THE RECORD'S SAFE!" I'm surprised you didn't hear us after the BELICHEAT lost the '08 Super Bowl to the Giants!
I don't mind the 72 Dolphins. I have a lot of admiration for what they accomplished. However, their attitudes are sickening. They really believe they are the greatest team of all time, and they're TOTALLY delusional. There are so many great teams over the years that were better. The '72 Dolphins need to just keep it to letting the undefeated record stand on its own merit, rather than parading out into the media every time some team gets close, and gloating when they don't make it.
Flawed teams can let their 18-1 records stand on their own merit. Yawns galore. The '72 Dolphins forever can chortle and scoff from the lemonade stand. Their only fault is they wait too long to get loud.
Former NFL players and coaches line up on pregame shows and are pathetic in prediction segments every year, MUCH worse than Las Vegas wise guys. Yet somehow we're supposed to accept their assertions that Team X or Team Y was was best ever.
So aside from your self-aggrandizing attempt at over-intellectualizing, where's your actual counterpoint? And what does any of this have to do with the Patriots or Vegas's opinion? You're trying to divert attention away from the valid points made. Step into reality. Outside of Dolphins fans and the '72 Dolphins themselves, how widely held is the opinion that the '72 Dolphins are the best team ever? Let's not BS here, because we both know that opinion is not widely held.
@AllPro777 Most fans just don't know much about the 1973 Dolphins, they certainly aren't hearing it in the media...that's the biggest reason right there. They often omit mentioning Bob Griese's 9 1/2 game injury in '72
or the fact that Miami played AT Pittsburgh for the AFC Championship & minus Giese for the entire first Half.
Or the 32-2 record from '72-'73, only giving up 6-passing TDs in '73, rushing for 296 yards against the NFL's
#1 rushing Defense in a 27-10 win over Oakland in '73.
All great points. Personally, I think if you combine the '72 and '73 team as a whole then they're definitely in the discussion for best ever. I just can't get commit to the '72 team by itself. I have a hard time crowning any single season team as the best because it doesn't give respect to dynasties.
@AllPro777 What are they supposed to do when EVERY year the media shove microphones in their faces every time a team makes it to 8-0? Should they just say "aw shucks it was nothing"? Who's to say your team wouldn't gloat anyway if they went undefeated? But I'm sure we'll never find out.
So all of these shows that they FLY OUT to appear on, that's all something they can't say no to? They have no choice in deciding to go on ESPN constantly running their mouths and rapping (Mercury Morris) for the camera? Gimme a break. They LOVE the spotlight, nobody is forcing them to do anything they don't want to do. And finally, I don't have a "team", I'm a football fanatic. I watch all 32 teams. I don't care who wins or loses as long as it's a good game, so your point is moot.
@AwsiDooger - Yes, the arrogance of the dolphins is fine though, right? That team wouldn't be perfect if it were running the schedule that's run today.
@ChevySuper8 BLOW ME ! Most overrated I'm sorry sir but you ARE A POS!!!NOW YOU GET THE HEAD CLEANED BY 1800 IF IT SHORTDICKS EVERY CNNIBAL IN THE CONGO YOU LITTLE MAGGOT !
@ChevySuper8 Agreed about Sonny; if anthing is overrated it's Shula, who made the same mistake in the SB in keeping the starting QB in too long. However to say that Sonny would've made the winning difference is absurd, very hard to tell what would've happened. Dolphins had the better team.
@ChevySuper8 Hey dufus. We won nine games with a backup QB, ( could the Colts have won with Jim Sorgi)!, won the 1972 AFC Championship on the road, were first team that had two 1,00 yard rushers, and were number one in yardage in offense and defense. Stop using the supposed 'weak' schedule as an excuse. Oh and we were in three straight SB's and were a combined 32-2 in '72 and '73. No flukes here. You all will just have to accept our greatness. Sorry you jealous freaks.
Blustery Metropolitan Stadium? Week 3? It was sunny and warm. Even the Dolphins players wore short sleeves. Let's face the facts, the Dolphins wouldn't have won that game had it not been for Bob Lurtsema's IDIOTIC penalty to sustain a Dolphins drive - that is the biggest reason they won that game.
Okay, typically blustery. The Dolphin radio announcers didn't have great confidence in Garo's ability to make that kick, at that distance in a notoriously difficult venue for opposing kickers.
I don't remember that play, but compliments to Bob Lurtsema.
It was the only game all season Miami was outplayed.
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Irvinelover3 3 weeks ago
Also lets not forget that in the early 70's the Dolphins were coming into their prime... when Warfield, Csonka, and Kiick went over to the WFL. If all three would have stayed with Miami, we would not even talk about the Steelers. The Dolphins could have been even better. I agree that the '73 team was better.
ocndvr 3 weeks ago
I'll go one step where no one in this conversation has gone-- the '73 Dolphins were even BETTER than the '72 team, in my opinion. They all their post-season opponents, and went 15-2 in a season where everyone knew what their strengths were, and were gunning for them.
combined 32-2 over two seasons. Find a team that has ever done that. You will not
pbrealtor 3 weeks ago
How the heck is no one mentioning the 70s Steelers in this conversation???
dreman1970 3 weeks ago
@luisheriberto22 Because they LOST the Super bowl...Can't include them...
dreman1970 3 weeks ago
cause they lost the super bowl the dolphins won every game that year
pinoythrower 2 months ago
@filthyswit idk, what about em? my team still has a better record than yours. good try tho
illusionistpg13 2 months ago
Remember the three (non-racist) "little monkey" comments made by Cosell? Who was #2 about??
#1. "That little monkey. The theory was that he was too small for pro football." - 08/29/1972 Chiefs @ Giants preseason HOF game (re: Mike Adamle - white guy)
#2. "Look at that little monkey run!" (re: an unknown player, white or black? game, punt/kickoff return?) MERCURY MORRIS???
#3. "That little monkey gets loose doesn't he." - 09/05/1983 Dallas @ Washington (re: Alvin Garrett - black guy)
inventorr77 2 months ago
why is everyone undermining them right now they had the top O top D 2 thousand yard rushers and won every single game they played no they didnt throw for 5000 yards like the pack or the pats but thats cause it was a running league the pats wouldnt have been able to pass back then receivers couldve got mugged and no call now if you look at one wrong you get a penalty. this is a team who went from HOF QB to Earl Morrall back to your HOF QB in the playoffs this is THE best team ever
FuckTheJets99 2 months ago
Packers!!!
illusionistpg13 3 months ago
@illusionistpg13 Aint going undeafeted...giants couldve beat them..we'll see u in th playoffs :)
jakewidsrocks 2 months ago
@illusionistpg13 What about 'em? Mwuhahahahahaha!!!
filthyswit 2 months ago
Honestly I'd barely put the 72 Dolphins top 10 all time. They played nobody (.367 winning %) and they beat zero, ZERO playoff teams in the regular season. Yes, they won 3 playoff games, but they did so barely. Also, it's great that they did that with a back up qb but stop trying to make that part of the argument that they were the best team. It doesn't matter who you could've played, it's who you played. Maybe Griese could've made them better, but he wasn't in, you don't measure in potential.
Irvinelover3 4 months ago
@Irvinelover3
Congratulations. You fell for every simplistic angle. Spoken like a true member of the brainwashed BCS era, where it's impossible to evaluate a team other than its opposition. I guess if Usain Bolt ran against nothing but 3rd graders for the next 9 months, we'd exclude him from the London Olympics based on strength of schedule.
That said, I am worried about Green Bay this season. Any Given Sunday is a myth in Roger Goodell's pantyhose finesse NFL. All it takes is a premier QB.
AwsiDooger 4 months ago 9
@AwsiDooger Your analogy about Usain Bolt fails to recognize how thoroughly the competition is beaten. The 72 Dolphins were indeed a great team, but using your analogy in full, teams like the 85 Bears and 07 Pats beat 6th grade competition more soundly than the Dolphins did 3rd grade competition. They beat higher competition more thoroughly. Also, Green Bay's very good but they look 14-2ish, you can't give up 300 yards passing a game and not lose the whole year. Still, they'll probably repeat
Irvinelover3 4 months ago
@Irvinelover3 What were they supposed to do? Lose?
xSteagle 3 months ago
@xSteagle They were a great team, I'm not arguing against that. But when it comes into context of greatest team of all-time, you have to factor in how thoroughly they beat teams and at what level those teams were. There are a half dozen teams in NFL history who dominated a much tougher set of teams better or close to equal to the Dolphins and their easy schedule. Also, these teams were much more dominant in the playoffs. The Dolphins were the best team in 1972, but to be GOAT or even...
Irvinelover3 3 months ago
@Irvinelover3 The NFL schedules the games. Once in a while, you may get those "easy teams" but no win is easy in the NFL. For example, the Saints lost to the Rams this year. That's easy?
xSteagle 3 months ago
@xSteagle I realize the NFL schedules the games, but sometimes the schedule is pretty advantageous. Also, although few games are very easy in the NFL, bad teams are still much easier to beat than good teams. Maybe the Saints lost to the Rams but if they played a team like the Rams 16 times they probably win 14 or 15 easily. Obviously a schedule is never that extreme but you get the point. Even though teams like the 85 Bears had 1 loss, they were clearly more dominant, the lost b/c they played...
Irvinelover3 3 months ago
@Irvinelover3 No, I think you mean... No win is easy but some wins are easier than others. The level of difficulty is different for each opponent. Therefore, as I've said, no win is easy. Just accept the fact that the Dolphins dominated. Can you say undefeated? They can.
xSteagle 3 months ago
@xSteagle Let's not throw BS out there, there are few easy games, but they are there, saying there are ZERO easy games is just a coach's motivational BS. Also, do you even read my comments? All I said was that the Dolphins aren't in my top 5 teams OF ALL-TIME. That means out of 1,000s of NFL teams they are in my top 10, they were clearly a great team (as I have made painfully clear) and were dominant. My point is they are not the greatest and have explained why. That's as clear as I can get.
Irvinelover3 3 months ago
@Irvinelover3 The greatest is only an opinion. You would have to play in the NFL to understand how hard going undefeated is. You are entitled to your opinion but you must first see both side of the story. They may have not played as the greatest team but their record has been the greatest.
xSteagle 3 months ago
@xSteagle Yes going undefeated is very tough, that's true. Obviously those who play have the best sense, but as a fan (especially living up in Pats country) I still have a pretty good sense as well. Also, yes it's an opinion, but that doesn't mean it's worthless. If my opinion has a great amount of evidence to support it (which this one does) than it does count for something. On the other hand if I was arguing that the 0-16 Lions were better than the 72 Dolphins I'd might as well stop right now.
Irvinelover3 3 months ago
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@Irvinelover3 Yes, you might as well stop.
xSteagle 3 months ago
@Irvinelover3 You are aware that Bob Griese was out for most of that year,right?
m2diggs 3 months ago
@m2diggs Yes I am aware of that, but it doesn't change anything though when assessing team greatness. With Griese those Dolphins are most likely even better, but you don't measure great teams in terms of potential, you measure them by how they played with who they put on the field. Sure, it makes the Dolphins' run even more impressive, but noting who was on the sideline doesn't prove a team's greatness. Using that logic we can say the 2011 Colts are by the greatest 0-10 team of all-time...
Irvinelover3 3 months ago
@m2diggs ...b/c Peyton is on the sidelines.
Irvinelover3 3 months ago
@Irvinelover3 Sorry but you're wrong. that team was great because of all the obstacles they had to go through that season. staying perfect all the while playing without the 1st string HOF QB.at the end of the day, no team in professional sports has accomplished what they accomplished. it remains to be seen what Green Bay does. the best team of all time? that's debatable. last time I check the great 85 Bears had 1 blemish which by the way was a beat down at the hands of the fins. just sayin.
m2diggs 3 months ago
@m2diggs No, I'm not wrong, all I'm saying is that you don't become a better team b/c of who is on your bench, overcoming obstacles is a sign of perseverance, not betterment. The 72 Dolphins with Bob Griese is a hypothetical team, I deal with the real 72 Dolphins when I assess where they rank on greatest teams of all time. Also, yes the Bears do have 1 blemish, but that is but 1 game out of 19. Look at who they played and how those Bears dominated, the Bears dominated a much tougher...
Irvinelover3 3 months ago
@Irvinelover3 And strength of schedule,really? how is it their fault that their competition didn't perform at a higher level? and I seem to recall one of those victories coming against the Steel Curtain in their own backyard and another against a great Washington team that couldn't muster a single point until our clutzy kicker decided to become our temporary QB on one botched snap/kick.
m2diggs 3 months ago
@m2diggs ...slate of opponents more thoroughly than the Dolphins dominated their much weaker ones. Yes, they had 1 loss and it brings them down some, but give the Dolphins the 85 Bears schedule and I doubt they go 18-1 and outscore teams by almost 18 a game.
But then again, according to you, why should I use strength of schedule as an argument? Well, when you assess how good a team it's pretty important to know who they played (and how well they played them). I'm not saying it's the...
Irvinelover3 3 months ago
@m2diggs ... Dolphins' fault they played easy teams, I've said this before, it was just an unintended lucky schedule. But that's besides the point, it doesn't matter whether or not they are at fault for their easy schedule, the fact is they played it.
Also, they did beat good teams in the playoffs, I'm not denying that either, but it's much easier to go 3-0 against playoff teams throughout a whole season, rather than 8-0 (the impossible task the Bears faced).
Overall what the Dolphins...
Irvinelover3 3 months ago
@m2diggs ...did was something very impressive, especially because they persevered to do it. But there have been better teams than the 72 Dolphins and just b/c the Dolphins used a backup qb doesn't mean they are any better, it doesn't matter what they could've done w/Griese, he wasn't on the field!!!!
Well, sorry for the long winded response but I wanted toget across what I needed to say. Let me be clear, in no way am I saying that these Dolphins weren't very good...
Irvinelover3 3 months ago
@m2diggs ...I'm saying that it would be overrating them to make them the GOAT. They leave a huge mark in NFL history, but in terms of greatest teams, they don't leave the biggest one.
Irvinelover3 3 months ago
@Irvinelover3 Perfection just can't be overlooked despite their lackluster schedule. any team can win on any given Sunday which makes their accomplishment much greater. you brought up perseverance, is that one of the qualities of a great team? until another team accomplishes such a feet, they deserve to be in the conversation of one of the all time great teams. the NFL network agrees with me rating them #1 all time.
m2diggs 3 months ago
@m2diggs Perfection isn't overlooked, but it's not the only thing, it's still a great accomplishment though. Also, perseverance isn't a sign of a team being even better, it's a sign of a team overcoming an obstacle to almost (or fully) get back to where they were before. When Earl Morall stepped in and played well, the Dolphins weren't a better team b/c of it, they were a team that overcame the obstacle of losing their starting quarterback by becoming almost as good w/o him. A great team...
Irvinelover3 3 months ago
@m2diggs ... doesn't necessarily overcome obstacles, in fact great teams usually avoid obstacles (mainly injuries) b/c obstacles impede them from being great. There's a reason the nfl counts wins and losses for the team on the field. It's tough if you get a lot of guys hurt, but that happens sometimes and you are judged by how you play with the players on the field.
As I said I am not excluding the Dolphins from the conversation of an all-time great teams, they are an all-time great team...
Irvinelover3 3 months ago
@m2diggs ...but I just don't believe they are at the very top of that list. NFL Network may have them #1, but I disagree, they aren't always correct. But anyway, all credit to the 72 Dolphins and they were an all-time great team, they just aren't the cream of the crop.
Irvinelover3 3 months ago
@Irvinelover3 Though I Disagree, I respect your opinion.
m2diggs 3 months ago
...a much tougher set of opponents. It's tough to go undefeated even against a weak set of opponents, but it's easily tougher to lose just 1 games (and pound these teams more thoroughly) against a much tougher slate.
Irvinelover3 3 months ago
@xSteagle ... top 5 is a great standard and its clear the Dolphins don't make it.
Irvinelover3 3 months ago
@Irvinelover3 They only had to win playoff games on the road.
MrByroan 2 months ago
@Irvinelover3 Honestly, I know about their schedule. What could they do about it? They won every game with a backup QB, and YES, that IS part of the equation. What would the 2005 Colts have done with Jim Sorgi for eleven games or the 2011 Packers with Matt Flynn, or the 2007 Pats with Matt Cassell??? We had to win the AFC Championship on the road, we had two 1000 yard rushers, number one offense and defense in yards and points. 32- 2 in two seasons. NFL network picked us # 1 all-time.
J72dolphins 2 months ago
@J72dolphins I've explained this before, I never said that the Dolphins schedule is their fault it just happened to be that way, so you have to measure them by how well they beat their schedule. Compared to teams like the 85 Bears, it's not even close. Also the backup QB isn't part of, actually your examples work against you. Let's say the 07 Pats went 14-2 w/Cassel and won the Super Bowl (not saying it would happen, just an example), with that record and SB win they could easily be considered..
Irvinelover3 1 month ago
@J72dolphins ..an all-time great. But, can you move them higher because they did it with their backup QB? No! You're mixing up better w/more impressive, it made it more impressive that the Dolphins did it w/a backup QB, but it doesn't make them a better team. The team w/a healthy Griese is a hypothetical team, not a real team, just like a Tom Brady-led Pats team is in this scenario. I give the Dolphins kudos for persevering, but when talking greatness I consider the team that actually played.
Irvinelover3 1 month ago
Matt Casell is a mediocre QB. You can't assume he would have won 14 games. The point is no other team has gone undefeated and they were also # 1 in offense AND defense in points AND yards. How about winning AFC title on road? NO other team would have approached going undefeated with their backup QB. Your buddy Mike Ditka says they are the best team ever. We'll never really know. We stand alone and everyone else is a little jealous. Happy New Year.
J72dolphins 1 month ago
@J72dolphins The Matt Cassel scenario was hypothetical, I don't actually think that would've happened. Anyway, I understand that they were undefeated and led various statisical categories and won an AFCCG on the road. They were a great team, but I don' t they were the greatest and doing it with a backup QB has nothing to do with how good a team is but how resilient they are and how prepared they are for plan b. Anyway Ditka's not my buddy and I disagree with him, and a Happy New Year to you too.
Irvinelover3 1 month ago
@Irvinelover3 At that time and place... The Miami Dolphins were the best. They played their schedule that was given to them... they overcame injuries, and won. It does not matter how they won... they won and made it interesting. #39 Zonka was the best FB ever... when the NFL ran the ball. Sure there have been other great teams (Like the Steelers, late 70's) Lets take one year at a time, and agree that anyone can win on any given Sunday. For that time... The Dolphins were the BEST.
ocndvr 3 weeks ago
@ocndvr It does not matter how they won? If you're trying to argue that for whether or not the Dolphins deserved the Super Bowl that year, your argument makes sense. It doesn't matter how much you win by, you get the Super Bowl trophy if you win the Super Bowl. But if you are doing a list of all-time great teams, how they won absolutely matters. You can't just look at record, you have to look at how dominant they were with that record (and against what strength of opponents as well). Yes, they..
Irvinelover3 3 weeks ago
@ocndvr .. played the schedule that was given to them but still I see an 85 Bears team with a significantly tougher schedule dominating more. Did they have a loss? Yes, and that surely knocks them down, but not nearly far enough to fall behind the Dolphins. I know the Dolphins played the teams they could and I'm not blaming them for it, but comparing how they did against those teams with some other great all-time teams with more difficult schedules, it is clears that those Dolphins aren't #1.
Irvinelover3 3 weeks ago
@Irvinelover3: Okay genious, all things being equal...explain to us why NO TEAM has had an UNBEATEN season since 1972? 1972? Hello?
MoveOnDotOrgg 3 weeks ago
@MoveOnDotOrgg I think we all understand why no team has finished a season undefeated in 40 years, IT IS EXTREMELY TOUGH! I give the Dolphins great credit for what they did and they surely are one of the game's all-time best, but they aren't the best. Record matters but so does schedule. No team has gone undefeated since 1972 because no really good team has quite the schedule the Dolphins had. It is one of the game's easiest all-time schedules for an all-time great team. Look at teams like...
Irvinelover3 3 weeks ago
@MoveOnDotOrgg ...the 85 Bears and the 89 49ers, they lost game(s) because their schedules were much tougher. Yet, overall they still dominated their opponents more thoroughly than the Dolphins especially in the playoffs. So, the 1972 undefeated season stands alone (well not if you want to include the 1948 Cleveland Browns of the AAFC) because of the combination of one of the NFL's easiest schedules with a great team. Give the 85 Bears that schedule and I bet they do better.
Irvinelover3 3 weeks ago
@Irvinelover3 Irvine, every year, one team ends up with the "easiest" schedule, mathematically. How many of those teams have gone undefeated. The Dolphins faced four future Hall of Fame quarterbacks that year, and beat one of them on BOTH outings (Namath). Griese played in 7 of the seventeen games, by the way. Dolphin-haters always come out with the same old baseless arguments, without looking at reality. By the way,winning percentage includes the games they lost to the Fins.
pbrealtor 3 weeks ago
@pbrealtor Not a Dolphin-hater, I'm the one being realistic. Yes every team ends up with an "easy" schedule, but first of all, the Dolphins schedule was maybe one of the easiest schedules of all-time. Also, it's very unusual for one of the league's best teams to get the easiest schedule. Especially with today's scheduling rules, it is near impossible for a great team to get any easy slate of opponents, so these reasons are why this hasn't happened since 72. Also props to the Dolphins for...
Irvinelover3 3 weeks ago
@pbrealtor beating 4 HOF QBs, but last time I checked, this is a team game and back in the 70s, the QB had much less of a burden than today's bunch. Look at Tarkenton's game in SB VIII, he threw for 182 yards which was a very good amount. Tarkenton is a HOFer, but if Brady threw for 182 yards today, people would be wondering what was wrong with him. So beating HOF QBs really doesn't tell the full story...
Irvinelover3 3 weeks ago
@pbrealtor you have to look at the team. In regards to Griese being injured, I've beat this point to death, that tells us nothing about how good this team was. It only tells us how they could rebound from a bad circumstance. The 1972 Dolphins with a full season of Bob Griese is a hypothetical team, not the real one, so that argument is the one that is baseless. This all isn't tough to figure out when you have an unbiased look.
Irvinelover3 3 weeks ago
@Irvinelover3 Thanks for your response. I think the Dolphins would not have missed a beat with Griese in the whole year. Shula built a system that worked with either quarterback, and the 17-0 season (as well as the next one in '73, which I think was actually a better team overall) is a tribute to him, and his coaching.
You make good points, and I enjoy the conversation.
pbrealtor 3 weeks ago
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@pbrealtor Thank you for your response as well. Shula indeed was a great coach and Morall came in as if nothing changed. I agree that the 73 team was amazing as well, and is definitely another all-time great (as a Vikings fan I know how good that team was from the pounding we took from them in the Super Bowl). I also enjoy this conversation as well when it is with people like you (who can argue with civility).
Have a great day, even without the Dolphins or Vikings today should be a great game!
Irvinelover3 3 weeks ago
Dolphins!! The only team to be perfect. Lol @ The Patriots thinking they were gonna beat it..
ChaloMode 4 months ago
How appropriate that the dolphins stopped the 85 bears from their perfect season.
TheKingOfToast 4 months ago
4:40 bradshaw loses brain cells- awesome faceplant
bicklesby1 5 months ago
85 bears would have killed them. not saying this team is bad tho.
phatblack59 5 months ago
Any of you who want to tear down this achievement know NOTHING about professional sports. I've heard them all: "They had the weakest schedule!!" EVERY year, some team has the weakest schedule. Its a mathematical certainty. Show me how many have won the Super Bowl.
Stop already. Like Merc says-- when you are in my living room, then talk. Until then, ALL of you have fallen short.
pbrealtor 6 months ago
@pbrealtor The 71 dolphins went to the SB, so a team that went to the SB the previous year had the weakest schedule the next season.
ZTM420 6 months ago
who would win
85 bears vs 72 dolphins?
mutarrr 7 months ago
@mutarrr '85 Dolphins 38-24 over '85 Bears...that sez it all!
dolfangirl1 7 months ago
@dolfangirl1 yeah but you beat us without jim mcmahon
mutarrr 7 months ago
@mutarrr hmmm...I seem to recall the 1972 Miami Dolphins going 11 1/2 weeks without starting QB Bob
Griese. They continued to win with a 38 yr old backup QB. Also, I do believe that McMahon did get some
playing time in that game. Regardless, 38 points scored on the greatest defense of all-time & Miami's defense stunk that year!
dolfangirl1 6 months ago
@dolfangirl1 hey man you guys caught the 85 bears at a real bad time i think if the bears played them again they would have gotten killed. I honestly think the bears would beat the 72 dolphins in a "close" one. this defense was way too good
mutarrr 6 months ago
@mutarrr That's why the 72 Phins are better; they never had any "bad times". There's a lot to be said for mental toughness.
But I will admit that there's more pressure on teams these days if they are undefeated by the 10th game or so. Too much media hype.
filthyswit 5 months ago
i was so lucky to be a part of that team....26.....
darrylhaynes 8 months ago
People like to think that the '72 Phins were not very dominant because they didn't run up the score (except against the Pats 52-0). Miami almost ran for 3000yds in 14 games! That's over 200yds a game!
The reason there weren't many blowouts is because they played with class and payed TO WIN THE GAME. This is not the BCS. They controlled the clock, ran the ball, and played great D.
filthyswit 9 months ago
@filthyswit the only reason they had so much ayardage on the ground is because thats all they did.
duckjockey10 5 months ago
@duckjockey10 If that's all they did then they would be pretty predictable right? Teams stacked against the run and still couldn't stop them.
filthyswit 5 months ago
@filthyswit good point..but im tired of hearing how the 72 dolphins were the greatest team ever....if they were to play teams from now there is now way they would go unefeated.....tge 2007 patriots would rip them apart.....the 2010 packers would eat them alive...90s cowboys same.....80s niners....85 bears....i could go on and on but they were just the best team at that time....they were one dimensional and just they 17-0 doesnt mean shit..they only played to teams with winning records,
duckjockey10 5 months ago
Trivia question: Who's the ONLY team to go undefeated, win the Super Bowl, be # 1 in offense and defense in points AND yards, and win the AFC title on the road. Wake up and show respect. If any of your other precious teams lost their backup QB, they would go down quickly. The '07 Pats got lucky when one of the Raven's coaches was allowed a timeout, when he shouldn't have been and gave Brady another shot at a fourth down play. They should have been 15-1. 1972 Miami Dolphins stand alone. Ha!
J72dolphins 1 month ago
@J72dolphins shoulda coulda woulda.....bottom line is players and teams are far faster stronger and more athletic now than they were in the 70s....they were the best at that time...take a time machine and put them against some modern teams and they wouldnt last very long period....plenty of teams could beat them i could name 15 off the top of my head that would destroy the 72 dolphins...quit living in the past.
duckjockey10 1 month ago
@duckjockey10
Who do you think are the five best teams ever? By the way, the past is everything. I realize everyone is bigger and faster now, but we were the best ever for one season and no one else can make that claim. You'll start to realize that as the years go by. By your theory the 2011 Rams could beat the " 85 Bears and "78 Steelers. Not the right thinking.
J72dolphins 1 month ago
@J72dolphins 5 best teams of all time:
1. 85 Bears
2.62 Packers
3. 89 49ers
4. 96 packers
5.2007 Patriots
there are many teams from today that could beat the 72 dolphins...2011 rams...no they couldnt...but 2011 packers Saints, patriots, and so on and so on would anniahlate the 72 dolphins...like i said before the 72 dolphins were the best of that time...but they wouldnt be able to match with such high powered offenses of today.
duckjockey10 1 month ago
@duckjockey10 werent the 85 bears only loss to the dolphins?
aSnoMayn 1 month ago
@aSnoMayn what does that have to do with the 72 dolphins
duckjockey10 1 month ago
@duckjockey10 true
aSnoMayn 1 month ago
@duckjockey10 2007 PATS??? Uh...NO...They didn't even win the SUPER BOWL....And since they lost to the GIANTS that year....The Steelers of the 70s pound the crap out of Brady..A LOT worse than the front four of the 07 Giants...And the Pats would NOT stop Swann, Stallworth, Franco, Rocky and Bradshaw...
dreman1970 3 weeks ago
@duckjockey10 How can you, who told me to stop living in the past, put the '62 Packers in the top five of all-time?? They are really great, but they are REALLY in the distant past. You said teams are stronger and more athletic now. Make up your mind. Also, STOP saying that newer teams would 'destroy' or annihilate the '72 Dolphins. That's just really naive.
J72dolphins 1 month ago
@J72dolphins just because i put the 62 packers on the top 5 doesnt mean they could beat any team from nowadays....as a matter of fact nearly most of them wouldnt match up....and I wont stop saying what i have....the 72 dolphins are an all time great team but having an undeafeated season when there was only 14 games a season means nothing other than they were undefeated that season..doesnt make them the greatest of all time...period.
duckjockey10 1 month ago
I remember the '72 season.
They were great, but also lucky at times.
Not the greatest team ever, but that record (17-0) is.
George Vreeland Hill
GeorgeVreelandHill 9 months ago
1972 Dolphins lost their starting quarter back to injury for almost 2/3 of the season,including playoffs. If you were to do the same thing to the majority of other great teams,say Tom Brady for example, they probably wouldn't make the playoffs. Add that if those other great teams had to play championship game away many of those would have surely lost,it's just the law of averages.
HombreDeNiftyGroove 10 months ago
miami dolphins got the best record no matter what so yeah dont hate
riched62 11 months ago
At 0:42...." The Hilgenberg Hit "
6400az 11 months ago
Of the greatest teams of all time and the 72 Dolphins qualify they might of had the least talent.
FRSFreeStateES 1 year ago
Mercury Morris > 07 patriots
RexRyansGut 1 year ago
Y wasn't dan Marino the quarterback then?
haj890 1 year ago
@haj890 because Dan Marino was 11 years old when this happened
EvenFlowGaming 1 year ago
THATS MIAMI DOLPHINS ARE SON'S OF CHUCK NORRIS!!!
LAPUTAQLOSPARIO1212 1 year ago
LETS GO DOLPHINS!!
WE NEED CAM NEWTON INSTEAD OF CHAD HENNE
AVallstar4 1 year ago
Yes, their schedule was soft that year, but they also did most of this with a 38-year-old backup quarterback, and the part not mentioned here is they beat the Steelers in the AFC Championship IN PITTSBURGH to get back to the Super Bowl. There was no best record home field advantage then!
vccstudents 1 year ago 7
@vccstudents I looked up the schedules for all the teams Miami did not play in 1972 & guess what? They all
lost to 1 or more of the teams on Miami's "soft schedule". For example, Dallas lost to the lowly Cardinals, Oak
lost to KC, the Niners lost to Buffalo, the Rams lost to the Cards,etc. Any team can beat any team on any given
Sunday accept in 1972.
dolfangirl1 8 months ago
@dolfangirl1 I'm not going to argue with you. I'm pointing out the fact this team accomplished this by winning a conference title game ON THE ROAD and did it with a 38-year-old backup QB is tantamount to making the accomplishment legitimate! Now with teams sewing up home field advantage based on won/loss records, it's virtually impossible, and I'm OVERJOYED THE '07 PATS ENDED UP 18 AND NO!
vccstudents 8 months ago
@vccstudents Sorry, I was trying to back up what you said. 1972-73 Miami Dolphins=BEST EVER!
dolfangirl1 8 months ago
@dolfangirl1 No offense taken!
vccstudents 8 months ago
Someday the Fins will relive their glory days.
HaloElitesrule 1 year ago 3
@HaloElitesrule Only if they realize Chad Henne is not the answer at quarterback! It irritates me no end the DON'T PHINS could have had MATT RYAN! FIRE TONY SPARANO! FIRE DAN HENNING! TRADE HENNE THE BUM! Make a trade that can land them Cam Newton!
vccstudents 1 year ago
Wasn't Morris a crack dealer?
wrsawy 1 year ago
@wrsawy Illegal weapons. My late uncle was one of the corrections officers who processed him in the Dade County jail.
vccstudents 1 year ago
This is the hope I hang on to. The Phins will be back again someday!
TheZoe0010 1 year ago
You know the Dolphins only played two teams with winning records in the regular season. and those two teams were only 8-6.
jayNicks10 1 year ago
@jayNicks10 SO??? BIG DEAL!!!!!
jayNicks10 1 year ago
@jayNicks10 Hey, they played and defeated EVERY AFC TEAM except for Denver, Cincy, & Oakland. In 1973
they SMASHED Oakland & Cincy in the playoffs. Btw, lots of teams have had 'soft' schedules, but that NEVER
gaurantees a Super Bowl, let alone a PERFECT SEASON.
dolfangirl1 1 year ago
MIAMI DOLPHINS:when will win the super bowl???
arnoldomexicano 1 year ago
@arnoldomexicano When they FIRE TONY SPARANO! FIRE DAN HENNING! AND TRADE HENNE THE BUM! The next time I play the Florida Lotto, I'm going to say, "Give me a Chad Henne!" When the person behind the counter asks me what that is, I'm going to say, "PICK SIX!"
vccstudents 1 year ago
Kiick was so clutch
nardo363636 1 year ago
when the Dolphins ruled the NFL :)
DoesNotExist305 1 year ago
no onw will ever do this again because every team blows the dolphins ,dolphins rule
beastking55 1 year ago
Don't forget there was no "Home Field Advantage" for division winners back then. It rotated, and Miami had to beat Pittsburgh IN PITTSBURGH just to get to the Super Bowl. Then Shula got greedy by trying to win the Super Bowl 17-0 instead of punting it away.
vccstudents 1 year ago
I would like to see the Dolphins go 19-0 oh yeah if they had to go 19-0 they would've lost in one of those games.
1beatcher 1 year ago
@1beatcher Stop being jealous. We are the best ever, even Mike Ditka says so. Wake the heck up.
J72dolphins 1 year ago 2
@1beatcher What are you? A Patriots fan?
straightedge442 1 year ago
Perfect end of story. All you loser haters that keep on bringing up the same shit. Remember this 17-0 never lost all season and won the big one. They went on the road and beat Pittsburgh even though the Dolphins were undefeated. Overrated I think not. Give it up you bozo haters who keep on saying the Dolphins beat nobody. Hey everyone in the Playoffs they played had winning records and they beat them too. Shut up losers. Dolphins just perfect 72.
leroythedolphin 1 year ago
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marquettefootball 1 year ago
GeorgeVreelandHill 1 year ago
Don't confuse overrated with being good. They were the only team in the 70's to play in three straight Super Bowls. They ranked #1 on offense AND defense in 72' , in both yardage AND points. 90 years have gone by, and yet this is the only team to win against everyone. Overrated? Kinda hard to say that when NO other team has accomplished a greater feat. And that Sonny remark is hilarious. Not a Fin's fan here, but I can't resist the opportunity to put someone in their place.
Jikk 1 year ago
@Jikk Whoa, whoa, whoa. I agree with you here, but 90 years? I had no clue we were in 2062 already.
SquishyYabor 1 year ago
@SquishyYabor HAHA
420JohnnieBoi 1 year ago
I'd heard that Larry Seiple took it upon himself to make that run on 4th down. And the Steelers weren't expecting it at all. They all had their backs to him.
bjchit 1 year ago
As a lifelong Dolphin fan growing up in the 70s in Miami (too young to recall the 72 season).....I can't understand why the average football fan tries to belittle their accomplishments. Most people don't know Miami had to play the AFC title game in Pittsburgh (even though Miami had a better record) b/c the NFL had a rule that the conference title games rotated by division each year.
Go1Devils 1 year ago 2
I think most of the hatred of the 1972 Dolphins comes because of its current mouthpiece, Mercury Morris. He's the guy the media run to in order to get the crazy commentary. He's a loudmouth and can be way too abrasive about teams challenging for their mark. But he's got the right to be a loudmouth, because he and his team walked the walk and got it done. (He's darn entertaining with his loudmouthness, too.)
marquettefootball 1 year ago 3
ChevySuper8,
No bubble to burst scooter. Just why did Allen bench Jurgensen? Obviously, he wasn't getting the job done in the first place. The Dolphins played the games, and they won them all. Nuff said. As Shula says, 17-0 says it all. Overrated? I think not. And I'm not the only one by any means.
BOEINGNUT 1 year ago
lloyd mumphord is my grandfather. and im lloyd bell.
pizzarocks2009 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I hate to burst your bubble, but in addition to the comments made about the Vikings game, George Allen gave the Dolphins a huge gift when he benched Jurgensen in favor of Billy Kilmer. If Sonny had played, the 'Skins would have won no prob. The '72 Dolphins are the most overrated team in NFL history, and their record should definitely carry an asterisk.
ChevySuper8 1 year ago
Burst my bubble? LOL. Haters of the 1972 Dolphins are remarkably pathetic. I love it when theres a tease of perfection. Imagine the agony when if fails, like Saints and Colts deep into 2009.
Asterisk? Yeah, for using a backup QB for 3 months. The Vikings comments mean squat. It's typical desperation. Every game has a key penalty here and there. The Sonny Jurgensen remark is similar. He threw 59 passes in 1972 and basically hadn't played in two years.
Unbeaten is teflon, and expands in aura.
AwsiDooger 1 year ago 12
@AwsiDooger Every year, IMMEDIATELY after the last undefeated goes down, my phone rings. It's one of my best friends, and he and I yell, "THE RECORD'S SAFE!" I'm surprised you didn't hear us after the BELICHEAT lost the '08 Super Bowl to the Giants!
vccstudents 1 year ago
@AwsiDooger
I don't mind the 72 Dolphins. I have a lot of admiration for what they accomplished. However, their attitudes are sickening. They really believe they are the greatest team of all time, and they're TOTALLY delusional. There are so many great teams over the years that were better. The '72 Dolphins need to just keep it to letting the undefeated record stand on its own merit, rather than parading out into the media every time some team gets close, and gloating when they don't make it.
AllPro777 11 months ago
@AllPro777
Flawed teams can let their 18-1 records stand on their own merit. Yawns galore. The '72 Dolphins forever can chortle and scoff from the lemonade stand. Their only fault is they wait too long to get loud.
Former NFL players and coaches line up on pregame shows and are pathetic in prediction segments every year, MUCH worse than Las Vegas wise guys. Yet somehow we're supposed to accept their assertions that Team X or Team Y was was best ever.
LOL. The irony busts me up every year.
AwsiDooger 11 months ago
@AwsiDooger
So aside from your self-aggrandizing attempt at over-intellectualizing, where's your actual counterpoint? And what does any of this have to do with the Patriots or Vegas's opinion? You're trying to divert attention away from the valid points made. Step into reality. Outside of Dolphins fans and the '72 Dolphins themselves, how widely held is the opinion that the '72 Dolphins are the best team ever? Let's not BS here, because we both know that opinion is not widely held.
AllPro777 11 months ago
@AllPro777 Most fans just don't know much about the 1973 Dolphins, they certainly aren't hearing it in the media...that's the biggest reason right there. They often omit mentioning Bob Griese's 9 1/2 game injury in '72
or the fact that Miami played AT Pittsburgh for the AFC Championship & minus Giese for the entire first Half.
Or the 32-2 record from '72-'73, only giving up 6-passing TDs in '73, rushing for 296 yards against the NFL's
#1 rushing Defense in a 27-10 win over Oakland in '73.
dolfangirl1 9 months ago
@dolfangirl1
All great points. Personally, I think if you combine the '72 and '73 team as a whole then they're definitely in the discussion for best ever. I just can't get commit to the '72 team by itself. I have a hard time crowning any single season team as the best because it doesn't give respect to dynasties.
AllPro777 9 months ago
@AllPro777
You may be right. The 72' Dolphins where not the greatest team.....it was the 73' Dolphins .
6400az 10 months ago
@AllPro777 What are they supposed to do when EVERY year the media shove microphones in their faces every time a team makes it to 8-0? Should they just say "aw shucks it was nothing"? Who's to say your team wouldn't gloat anyway if they went undefeated? But I'm sure we'll never find out.
filthyswit 9 months ago
@filthyswit
So all of these shows that they FLY OUT to appear on, that's all something they can't say no to? They have no choice in deciding to go on ESPN constantly running their mouths and rapping (Mercury Morris) for the camera? Gimme a break. They LOVE the spotlight, nobody is forcing them to do anything they don't want to do. And finally, I don't have a "team", I'm a football fanatic. I watch all 32 teams. I don't care who wins or loses as long as it's a good game, so your point is moot.
AllPro777 9 months ago
@AwsiDooger - Yes, the arrogance of the dolphins is fine though, right? That team wouldn't be perfect if it were running the schedule that's run today.
archona54 5 months ago
The same Billy Kilmer who made the Pro Bowl that year?
bjchit 1 year ago
@ChevySuper8 BLOW ME ! Most overrated I'm sorry sir but you ARE A POS!!!NOW YOU GET THE HEAD CLEANED BY 1800 IF IT SHORTDICKS EVERY CNNIBAL IN THE CONGO YOU LITTLE MAGGOT !
muttilo 1 year ago
@ChevySuper8 Agreed about Sonny; if anthing is overrated it's Shula, who made the same mistake in the SB in keeping the starting QB in too long. However to say that Sonny would've made the winning difference is absurd, very hard to tell what would've happened. Dolphins had the better team.
hardcorehouse 1 year ago
@ChevySuper8 Hey dufus. We won nine games with a backup QB, ( could the Colts have won with Jim Sorgi)!, won the 1972 AFC Championship on the road, were first team that had two 1,00 yard rushers, and were number one in yardage in offense and defense. Stop using the supposed 'weak' schedule as an excuse. Oh and we were in three straight SB's and were a combined 32-2 in '72 and '73. No flukes here. You all will just have to accept our greatness. Sorry you jealous freaks.
J72dolphins 1 year ago
@ChevySuper8
Jurgensen could'nt have played. He had a leg injury.
6400az 10 months ago
Blustery Metropolitan Stadium? Week 3? It was sunny and warm. Even the Dolphins players wore short sleeves. Let's face the facts, the Dolphins wouldn't have won that game had it not been for Bob Lurtsema's IDIOTIC penalty to sustain a Dolphins drive - that is the biggest reason they won that game.
knbuck 1 year ago
Okay, typically blustery. The Dolphin radio announcers didn't have great confidence in Garo's ability to make that kick, at that distance in a notoriously difficult venue for opposing kickers.
I don't remember that play, but compliments to Bob Lurtsema.
It was the only game all season Miami was outplayed.
AwsiDooger 1 year ago
@knbuck
What did Lurtsema do friend....tell us please.
6400az 10 months ago
The real Super Bowl was the Steelers/Dolphins game before this one
jeffee50 1 year ago
@jeffee50
The Skins were favored over Miami in the SB.
Go1Devils 1 year ago
@jeffee50 Redskins would've beat the Steelers that year.
dolfangirl1 1 year ago