J.R.R Tolkien Documentary - On wraiths and the Ring

[andrewdrury1]

Let me just listen to a guy who calls Sauron Soron

[octoberfire13]

THE FAT CATS ON WALL STREET = WRAITHS OF 2011

[firax456]

huh?

[Nihm420]

If folks watch this: watch?v=9SU8ZfA-wM4&feature=re­lated

You will know what the Ring was to Tolkien... no interpretations are necessary.

[PersianPaladin]

@Nihm420

Tom Shippey is in my video, and he is also in the video documentary that you have linked to. I think people can pick up information about LOTR from both (albeit there is a lot more content in the full documentary, of course).

[Nihm420]

@PersianPaladin

Oh don't mistake me... I love this clip - this was more of a response to the person who thought the ring was symbolic for porn or sumsuch... I love what Tom Shippey said here, in fact I think he was speaking more about the nazghul and how the ring twisted people... and less on what the ring meant to Tolkien.:)

[iheartchocolate198]

Please, people, refrain from assuming any allegories based on the text. Tolkien himself stated that he hated allegories, and tried to elude them as soon as he noticed them. It is also stated by the professor that the Lord of the Rings trilogy is "...neither allegorical nor topical." "The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or its conclusion". He didn't intend for the trilogy to be anything but a fairytale. Of course, it is much more to me, but do consider my words.

[PersianPaladin]

@iheartchocolate198

Tolkien did not like allegory, but he did allow room for "applicability" and therefore different people can interpret the film in different ways.

[iheartchocolate198]

@PersianPaladin Yes, of course. However, he hated it when people assumed the One Ring was a substitution for nuclear weapons, or Sauron a replacement for Hitler. By "applicability" he meant people interpreting the events as per their own lives.

[PersianPaladin]

@iheartchocolate198

Indeed. There are general themes that can be applied to certain aspects in Tolkien's creation - which allow for a large variety of personal interpretation, but also do have specific connotations to them.

[Beaststa197]

if i had a fake ring like this one still metal with the markings and painted gold i would still be reluctant to let some one else hold it.

[technologic21]

Illuvatar granted beings free will, so the decision over what to do with the ring is ultimately rooted in the individuals decision coupled with emotion. Smigol chose poorly and murdered another Hobbit for it.

The Ring could be seen in a historical context as the Atomic Bomb in Tolkien's world.

The quest to capture this power drove the Nazgul (bureaucrats) to pursue it just as corrupt leaders in our world seek Nuclear Arms.

[nicksynnz]

A wraith is a scottish word for ghost or spirit. I had heard that long before LOTR came to my attention.

[JUN34U]

anything other videos like this on youtube

[dontliethetruth]

i never thought so deeply about the wraiths... i always considered the ring to be a metaphor for the nuclear bomb.. but there you go...lots of rooms for thoughts in LOTR. even the concept of evil is not just black/white

[DrunkenPoetic]

i think for tolks it was both the ring and frodo

[MultiSweetHearts]

I Love!!! All that touched with LOTR!!!!

[Songsmirth]

I can't get this to play past 1:11 for some reason. Any idea? ho hum Sounds interesting.

[PersianPaladin]

It works fine. It might've been a temporary problem with Youtube rather than this video.

[anlindale]

Philosophy professors can make their classes so much more interesting by using Tolkien's works.

[PsychotronicWar]

@anlindale : There should be a whole separated Degree on Fantasy, starting with Silmarillion 101. But unfortunately, we live on a fucking planet where fucking money seems to be more important that the human ideas...

[jakesbrain]

If I'm not mistaken, the gentleman in the red pullover is Tom Shippey, who's written two EXCELLENT books on Tolkien. His mini-lecture about Wraiths is right out of the pages of his "The Road to Middle-earth".

[BlitzSageFFVI]

This is amazing. Lord of the Rings is one of the greatest stories ever told, and this is partly why. There are powerful themes throughout, and the idea of the Wraithing Process are completely right.

[AR15Truther]

cool