Assholes like this guy talking. Forgets that animals are not humans. Humans did not originate from animals, or monkeys. That I promise you. I've done more intense research than this nut talking about testing. I will make sure to slap the shit out of him, when i get the chance.
It's just as Sparks says. "A rat doesn't wear lipstick okay? A rabbit doesn't use hairspray! A monkey doesn't need pills, to get ramped up for hot monkey sex! It's people, man! We're miserable! So why shouldn't we try it all first?"
You boring ass bitch!! We thought you would show clips of monkeys getting their fucking brains blown out or pelicans violently stabbing an old man and stealing the plans for the Nexus Project!!! LONG LIVE THE NEW FLESH!!!!!
With the army, came more. And they wanted me to be a rose. I will never be able to partner or have children, but it'll drag me down, so they try to force it. I usually have a delusional hero in my mind before that was taken away because it was my only fault. I live in dreams, and they took that away too.
While I was in grade school, they made me play viola then switched me to third violin. In choir, they would make me sing horrible songs. Then I had to do charity all of the time for free. I tutored someone in English my senior year and used to bike over to this woman's house to write her term papers because she was too busy, slow and on food stamps.
What classes within classes did was put me in a diluted class then they would randomly throw me back, especially in math. I made a B in honors biology and they forced me to take environmental chemistry and diluted geology. I got into AP English by tricking them. I would keep quitting school in my head then go back to it.
They taught me to read by sight, so my spelling was off and I was slow to sound out words. They didn't teach me phonetics or any logic. They taught me right brain math. They put me into classes that were multiage so that I would socialize, they said, but I couldn't play with the label. They put me into special ed and randomly mainstreamed me. They made me focus on writing and nothing else. I made average test scores--god only knows how, and they blamed me for the school's failure.
Yes, I'm been experimented on my whole life, from school before I had problems to using that after. What they do is label, box then arrogantly ignore me. I'm an invalid specimen. It's not professional. Then they just "free" me for the next jackass. Then they blame me for all the damage. Body snatchers are better. Here, get a building and lure homeless people there then kill them when you're done. All the animals I trap, all become my pets. It's okay to eat fish.
The people who are saying "Oh my god stop experimenting on animals!" have never had a loved one die from an unknown cause. There's reason behind testing animals, would you want your mother dead or a rat? I agree it's wrong..but we need something to sacrafice to save our lives.
The only thing we have learned about human behaviour from decades of animal experiments is how depraved some humans will be in order to gain money, status and titles.
@noratmedicine That's pretty illogical. The ONLY thing we learned from animal experiments? What about vaccinations? Surgery? Medications? Really? REALLY?
@ExodusFaces I'll start with vaccinations...Sabin later denounced the monkey model blunder:
"... prevention was long delayed by the erroneous conception of the nature of the human disease based on misleading experimental models of the disease in monkeys."# Sabin, Albert, MD statement before the subcommittee on Hospitals and Health Care, Committee on Veterans Affairs, House of Representatives, April 26, 1984 serial no. 98-48.
@sciencenotrats You STARTED with vaccinations? Okay, and apparently you also STOPPED with vaccinations lol. Who said I was just talking about monkeys? Go ahead and say that NOTHING positive has EVER come from animal experiments, and I will end this conversation on the grounds that I must be talking to either an idiot or a child.
@ExodusFaces I do have a life. (not due to animal experiemnts) Would it be an idiot or a child who'd say that a human was not a rat, monkey, rabbit etc? Medications...According to the US FDA 92% of new drugs fail in clinical trials, after they have passed all the safety tests in animals. US FDA (2004) "Innovation or Stagnation, Challenge and Opportunity on the Critical Path to new Medical Products" Ending the conversation would be wise as you are in logical quicksand. mrmcmed . org
@ExodusFaces In Experimental Surgery, Dr J. Markowitz states: "The operative technique described in these pages is suitable for animals, usually dogs. However, it does not follow that it is equally and always suited for human beings. We refuse to allow the student the pretence that what he is doing is operating on a patient for the cure of an ailment." also see interview with eminent surgeon Dr Werner Hartinger at vivisectionresearch . ca homepage
@ExodusFaces "Given that many of these investigational anticancer drugs eventually fail, the animal models on which clinical trials are predicated must at best be limited in power, and at worst wildly inaccurate." Dr Alexander Kamb, Global Head of the Oncology Disease Area at the Novartis Institutes for Biomedical Research, Nature Reviews Drug Discovery, 4, 2005 161 - 165.
Check out The True Nature Network's website for a video on this subject (and other topics) - it's called "From Mice To Men: The Use of Animals In Psychology Experiments".(truenaturenetwork - then a period - then org)
With every problem man came across, he somehow thought of recreating it in a lab, the vivisection lab. But all he finds is he has re created the same problem and he can never see this.
There were, still are, some good scientists, and they know the vivisectionist method is far from the way of discovery or answers.
Experimentation should be drastically reduced and regulated. You allude to urbanization being behind this but the growing popularity of Darwinian individualism amongst some sectors of society has also produced an indifference towards animals, and a forsaking of attempts to take a moral highground. Man's greater level of civilization should make him paternalistic, not exploitative. Scientifically, conflating animal studies to human behaviour is an oversimplification.
"Experimentation should be drastically reduced and regulated."
Just out of curiosity, have you ever read the guidelines for animal experiments? Most people are no where near capable of living up to them.
There was an interesting case where a lab invited anyone to come and adopt the animals out of the lab, assuming that they could meet the requirements for care of the animals set down in the regulations the lab had to follow... no one who showed up came close.
@AutodidacticPhd Do you mean these people who wanted to adopt the animals were going to put poisons down a tube into their stomach, hold them in restraining devices and put corrosives in their eyes and skin and lungs, brain damage them, starve them, burn them, cut them with inadequate anaesthetic etc? I bet no one came close to that level of 'care'
@sciencenotrats No, I mean that labs are required by law to maintain very strict rules of animal treatment, whether you believe it or not, and the vast majority of the general public are not capable of meeting those standard. And ranting against your favorite strawman does little more than show just how thoroughly addicted you are to rights propaganda.
@AutodidacticPhd As my claims are well founded in evidence they cannot be called a 'rant'. The scientific fraudulence of basing human medicine on animals is well supported by stats, expert opinion and common sense and the treatments of animals i have described is supported in the same way and by film, including recent film. Please tell me some benefit you believe humans have derived from animal exp. and i will be pleased to respond to that.
Divinity is a psychological device created for a specific purpose. The concept of "god" as you understand it is a reflection on your own psyche, so those who are posting about god punishing are right, as are those arguing against. If god punishes you, then I'm sorry for you, but I beg you all not to punish those that are not punished by their own on behalf of yours. That's just unethical. I do find the humor in the mention of god in the comments pertaining to animal testing though. Well done!
Tell em about the Skinner Box and about how these Nazis try to control every aspect of our environment in order to elicit a certain type of behavior from us just like Skinner used to do with his pigeons. These pathetic pigeons thought they were in control when they were pecking the lever to get food just like most people in this country think they are free because they don't have any physical chains and shackles. How terribly wrong they were..
The "repeated social defeat" experiment, if at all applicable to humans, would invalidate chemical imbalance and heredity theories of mental/emotional problems! Humans are treated just like those mice, and lots of us end up anxious!.. From birth onwards our deep biological needs for love, emotional connection and respect etc are repeatedly denied. There is a distinct lack of common sense and in the overwhelming majority of sciences which deal with emotions... They are clueless, and or, currupt!.
The only thing that could even come close to human behavior is chimp society, and even then it's not comparable to true human psychology, because there are different nuances and social graces between chimps and humans. Using animals to study human psychology is like washing your neighbor's window to see better out your own.
I totally agree. For me, the ethics alone say not to experiment on animals. The fact that animal experiments don't give the same results as experimenting on humans is just something in addition to that. Since animal experiments do not generalise to human beings then the science actually contradicts it's evidence based ideology and claims. The result either way is cruelty, pain and suffering inflicted on terrorfied animals.
ive read jensen for years. ive listened to your channel for about 1 year. so cool to hear you mention him. i reccomend you youtube a song by bad religion called Losing Generation. thanks for the great video as always.
Humans have always been social gamers, hence the abiding respect or pschopathic actions and gaming style analysis. Sometimes they can choose puzzling, but if they want to demand importance, then they must take up the mortal enemy and declared master of puzzling which is competitive gaming. Once gaming becomes the law and the method, then people can lose their sense of empathy and "go to town" on the animals which don't have any rights in gaming reality, unless it's worth money.
You should add Derrick jensen to the video's tags when you're talking about him... I'm sure many of the anti/post-civ people here would be interested in what you're talking about.
"I'm sure many of the anti/post-civ people here would be interested in what you're talking about."
I still don't understand how people who have such a problem with technology could see this. If they had any integrity, they'd put their money where their mouth is and go off to live in an "all natural" community.
I may not think the Amish are right, but I respect the fact that they at least live their beliefs rather than just complain about them loudly.
The difference is that the Amish simply don't see *using* modern technology as compatible with their beliefs so they live a seperate existence whereas anti-civ people see the *existence* of technology as a threat to the biosphere itself. You can't run from something that is destroying the whole world - so if you see technology as such a massive threat, the only thing that makes sense is trying to stop it with the most effective means you have.
"so if you see technology as such a massive threat, the only thing that makes sense is trying to stop it with the most effective means you have."
Ah, so they aren't just annoying, they're dangerous. Without modern medical science and technology, I wouldn't have lived past early childhood, so as far as I'm concerned, anyone who would want to force others to give up technology is one step short of a terrorist... and besides, their ends don't change their hypocrisy.
on the other hand, without modern technology, millions of people wouldn't have died from nuclear bombs, chemical accidents, pollution, etc.
And seeing as the implementation of modern technology wasn't (or isn't) exactly the result of a referendum, there's "forcing" on the other side as well.
"the implementation of modern technology wasn't (or isn't) exactly the result of a referendum..."
Yes, but I've never used a nuclear bomb nor do I support the laissez-faire methods of technical implementation when cleaner and more responsible methods are available. etc...
You (or at least the people you were suggesting need to see this) however, use the benefits of technology and yet complain about all aspects. I guess we should ban rocks too, because SOME people might use them as weapons.
We shouldn't ban rocks, but we should definitely ban hanging giant rocks into the sky by a thread.
Why would the quality of life be less if there were less humans alive at any time?
And are you really suggesting that the lives of all humans exept for those who lived in our particular society in the last few hundred years were "short, brutal and aimless" and lacked curiosity and creative efforts? A 25 year lifespan isn't realistic either.
"suggesting that the lives of all humans exept for those who lived in our particular society in the last few hundred years were "short, brutal and aimless" and lacked curiosity and creative efforts?"
It isn't just our particular society. Medical aid and technology is being spread around the world. And yes, outside of that influence short and brutal is true... and if you want to stop technology you will have to eliminate creative effort... to get what you want you will NEED a tyranny.
Oh dear, so he is; he's on the board of advisors for the Citizens Commission for Human Rights, another Scientology shop front. Fuck, that's disappointing, I thought he was OK.
This is a very informative video. No wonder it has so many views after only 1 day. Favorited and 5 stars. Imagine all we could learn by studying "scientists" who willingly do these sorts of things. Frankly, I wouldn't want to know.
I'm sure part of them deep down inside feels guilty or felt guilty at some point, but they numb the feeling or eventually become desensitized to the pain of guilt after repeated exposure.
I don't believe animals should have ever been tested on, even if that means our "advances" are subtracted from the picture. A lot of modern medicine does more harm than good ...
Keep in mind that is my opinion and I don't wish to persuade anyone any which way, as I don't intend on debating it.
Animals should not be used in research, it is ruthless and disgusting. They should not be forced to endure pain and suffering 24-7 for the sake of mankind.
Horrific, but perhaps necessary. Animal and human experimentation might be a very cruel thing, but certainly, it has shown results. It would be amazing if we came up with ways of acheiving the same results, without the cruelty part, but were not necessarily always capable of doing so. Maybe if we could design a program, and simulate what we already know about animal and human psychology, we can then predict what we don't know by pattern. But for now, this seems to work.
It's hard for me to even listen to the stories of animals being tested on. I agree with you that all life should be treated with equality and worth. Thank you for putting this video out there!
I agree wholeheartedly with your principle but what about how they used dogs and monkeys to create the life support machine , what if a life support machine saved a child who went on to become a vet or healer? the life lost gave many many lives?? good debate! peace xx
People on life support generally don't come back, or have a very tough time coming back. If someone can't even breathe on their own, they're technically dead and being kept alive artificially.
true, I saw a horrible experiment where they severed a dogs head and tested its relflexes and senses by doing loud noises and putting citric acid on its nose. It was worse than the worst horror movie ever. its on you tube somewhere.
"I saw a horrible experiment where they severed a dogs head and tested its relflexes and senses by doing loud noises and putting citric acid on its nose."
If you are talking about the black and white film of the Russian experiments, it is more likely than not that those were faked. The process is questionable at several stages and the results were never verified. In short, it was a propaganda stunt.
I agree about that clip, I dont think that sort of thing makes it onto public veiwing channels. I noticed that to the side of the head they didnt film the empty gap ... just kept the full head in frame so yes i agree probably fake . I think it does go on though and on a regular basis.
"I think it does go on though and on a regular basis."
For the most part, no one is doing such sensationalist work. It has no application and is unpopular. The animal experimentation that goes on in medical research is vital and anything but vain. For example, ALL insulin dependent diabetics and transplant patients literally owe their lives to animal experimentation.
Stop confusing real research with 1950s mad science flicks.
Im sorry but if you have done any digging around you will know that many experiments are done by military companies which change under the guise of different fields of interest. there have been extensive projects which under military legislation have been kept secret. Also russia , china and other places hold experiments that are not common knowledge. Dont patronise me, if you read the thread I said the same point myself earlier on for gods sake. Most diseases are man made anyway.
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I think I've seen images or stills from that video but I can't bring my self to watch it. I'm already traumatized by a lot of the animal abuse going on. I would like to know however even though I dread the answer... is it possible to reattach the dog's head and save the dog? Like had they tried with the dog?
At risk of upsetting you further Im sure theyve used a lot of dogs (they like beagles for some reson) trying to acheive this , maybe they have but im sure too many have suffered in vain. hugs !
I am really admiring of MAPS and Rick Doblin and his efforts to encourage a reurrgence of psychedelic therapies, but was SHOCKED when i found out that he supports animal testing. His excuise was 'we had to to be accepted by the scientific community'. But I would sooner NOT be fukin accepted by them!
Matt 25:40 "That which you do to the least of my brethren, you do unto me." I think that Jesus was saying, that we do this unto ourselves, using himself as the example because we are all Brahma, and He knew this.
I train at the Humbolt Gym in Eureka CA from 6 to 8 monday and wed its an MMA/Gracie juJitsu club, I am at the Del Norte Gym Rats MMA club on Tues-thurs 6-8 P.M. Show up and get some mat time with me and back up your mouth bitch.
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We are evolved/mutated primates DNA proves this. Why should we not use animals in experiments? Native americans are not "native" they are asian immigrants, the Human DNA Project proves this also. Where in nature do the weak serve the strong? Natural Selection is TOUGH.
STFU, I bet your just a weak simple pussy that would be cleansed by someone stronger than you. Maybe the government should be like Nazi Germany, hey I support it, Mother Earth deserves the best & we can evolve to a better being. fags like you talk "survival of the fittest" yet are hipocrites.
Very good video. You;re right, animals deserve, even as small a mice, deserve the right of life. Still don't know why so many companies test on animls... even for pesticides and so forth. I mean, if they know these chemicals will kill, why do they still kill all these innocent animals?
It's outdated science and is a waste of life. If we actually did all testing for human products... on humans, we would most likely have cures for Cancer and so forth.
@Nomoreidsleft Whenever we breathe eat drink or apply an animal 'tested' substance we are voluntary test subjects as the animal 'test' does not protect us. we now have 30,000 diseases."Uncritical reliance on the results of animal tests can be dangerously misleading and has cost the health and lives of tens of thousands of humans." Handbook of Laboratory Animal Science Volume II Animal Models, p4, Svendensen and Hau (Eds) (CRC Press). curedisease. net
@patzivota22 “Animal studies are done for legal reasons and not for scientific reasons. The predictive value of such studies for man is meaningless.”; - Dr James D. Gallagher; Director of Medical Research; Lederle Laboratories; Journal of the American Medical Association; March 14 1964.; in other words animal tests are done to CONCEAL rather than to expose harmful substances to humans for the purpose of avoiding litigation. curedisease. net
@patzivota22 problem is if something goes wrong with the drug it just kills a mouse if somethin goes wrong with it on a human it kills a human being much better to just let a mouse die
Great video! funny, I have ADD & schizophrenia. The ADD medication is awesome (well at least it makes me feel awesome). The schizophrenia medication is awful. I don't take 'dopamine target' stimulants any more because of the schizophrenia.. i take strattera. and zyprexa ruins my life so I secretly only use it as a sleeping pill. with lots of sleep i havent relapsed in 4.5 months.
i feel that i am an experimental subject but of course i doubt anyone is logging my experimental information.
Uh, most of us... yes. All drugs are testing on animals... & almost always their results do not equal results on humans.
& psychiatry studies on animals produces, of course, almost always predictable results, they're killing animals just to kill them.
It's outdated. we have plenty of non-animals testing methods that are cheaper, & more accurate, though many companies that test on animals are too locked on to the past... they avoid advances in science.
@SSparks555 But... once again, they don't wear shoes... because... they aren't people... lol. Did I mention that I'm a certified butcher? Sacrifice must be made for survival.
Assholes like this guy talking. Forgets that animals are not humans. Humans did not originate from animals, or monkeys. That I promise you. I've done more intense research than this nut talking about testing. I will make sure to slap the shit out of him, when i get the chance.
lty2k84 2 months ago
@lty2k84 Seriously? Seems you have not done that much intense research or any research at all probably....
simpsonsim07 1 month ago
Wait, make that the whole time!
TheBethika 3 months ago
Gee, it is really boring at the start!
TheBethika 3 months ago
It's just as Sparks says. "A rat doesn't wear lipstick okay? A rabbit doesn't use hairspray! A monkey doesn't need pills, to get ramped up for hot monkey sex! It's people, man! We're miserable! So why shouldn't we try it all first?"
AltairEgo1 8 months ago
Use criminals and murderers!
Ziggurathss 1 year ago
You boring ass bitch!! We thought you would show clips of monkeys getting their fucking brains blown out or pelicans violently stabbing an old man and stealing the plans for the Nexus Project!!! LONG LIVE THE NEW FLESH!!!!!
Haskanawa72 1 year ago
@Haskanawa72 oh totally....i thought it was just me!
RutheeJ425 1 year ago
With the army, came more. And they wanted me to be a rose. I will never be able to partner or have children, but it'll drag me down, so they try to force it. I usually have a delusional hero in my mind before that was taken away because it was my only fault. I live in dreams, and they took that away too.
returnoftheramble3 1 year ago
While I was in grade school, they made me play viola then switched me to third violin. In choir, they would make me sing horrible songs. Then I had to do charity all of the time for free. I tutored someone in English my senior year and used to bike over to this woman's house to write her term papers because she was too busy, slow and on food stamps.
returnoftheramble3 1 year ago
What classes within classes did was put me in a diluted class then they would randomly throw me back, especially in math. I made a B in honors biology and they forced me to take environmental chemistry and diluted geology. I got into AP English by tricking them. I would keep quitting school in my head then go back to it.
returnoftheramble3 1 year ago
They taught me to read by sight, so my spelling was off and I was slow to sound out words. They didn't teach me phonetics or any logic. They taught me right brain math. They put me into classes that were multiage so that I would socialize, they said, but I couldn't play with the label. They put me into special ed and randomly mainstreamed me. They made me focus on writing and nothing else. I made average test scores--god only knows how, and they blamed me for the school's failure.
returnoftheramble3 1 year ago
It always turns out that they're competing with me indirectly. Who wants to fix me?
returnoftheramble3 1 year ago
cliche me to death afterwards. I'm the victim... human logic sucks. Nazi science. You won't get anywhere without the right philosophy.
returnoftheramble3 1 year ago
Yes, I'm been experimented on my whole life, from school before I had problems to using that after. What they do is label, box then arrogantly ignore me. I'm an invalid specimen. It's not professional. Then they just "free" me for the next jackass. Then they blame me for all the damage. Body snatchers are better. Here, get a building and lure homeless people there then kill them when you're done. All the animals I trap, all become my pets. It's okay to eat fish.
returnoftheramble3 1 year ago
The people who are saying "Oh my god stop experimenting on animals!" have never had a loved one die from an unknown cause. There's reason behind testing animals, would you want your mother dead or a rat? I agree it's wrong..but we need something to sacrafice to save our lives.
ericwhithr2007 1 year ago
The idea that it's okay to hurt an animal because it is a "lesser being" is the same mindset of the Nazi's.
PinkPunkyKat 1 year ago
The Biblical concept of "dominion" actualy means to protect and take care of.
PinkPunkyKat 1 year ago
Anyone know the name of the song at the end?
undeadpresident 1 year ago
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RatTracker31416 1 year ago
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RatTracker31416 1 year ago
The only thing we have learned about human behaviour from decades of animal experiments is how depraved some humans will be in order to gain money, status and titles.
noratmedicine 1 year ago
@noratmedicine That's pretty illogical. The ONLY thing we learned from animal experiments? What about vaccinations? Surgery? Medications? Really? REALLY?
ExodusFaces 1 year ago
@ExodusFaces I'll start with vaccinations...Sabin later denounced the monkey model blunder:
"... prevention was long delayed by the erroneous conception of the nature of the human disease based on misleading experimental models of the disease in monkeys."# Sabin, Albert, MD statement before the subcommittee on Hospitals and Health Care, Committee on Veterans Affairs, House of Representatives, April 26, 1984 serial no. 98-48.
sciencenotrats 1 year ago
@sciencenotrats You STARTED with vaccinations? Okay, and apparently you also STOPPED with vaccinations lol. Who said I was just talking about monkeys? Go ahead and say that NOTHING positive has EVER come from animal experiments, and I will end this conversation on the grounds that I must be talking to either an idiot or a child.
ExodusFaces 1 year ago
@ExodusFaces I do have a life. (not due to animal experiemnts) Would it be an idiot or a child who'd say that a human was not a rat, monkey, rabbit etc? Medications...According to the US FDA 92% of new drugs fail in clinical trials, after they have passed all the safety tests in animals. US FDA (2004) "Innovation or Stagnation, Challenge and Opportunity on the Critical Path to new Medical Products" Ending the conversation would be wise as you are in logical quicksand. mrmcmed . org
sciencenotrats 1 year ago
@ExodusFaces In Experimental Surgery, Dr J. Markowitz states: "The operative technique described in these pages is suitable for animals, usually dogs. However, it does not follow that it is equally and always suited for human beings. We refuse to allow the student the pretence that what he is doing is operating on a patient for the cure of an ailment." also see interview with eminent surgeon Dr Werner Hartinger at vivisectionresearch . ca homepage
sciencenotrats 1 year ago
@ExodusFaces "Given that many of these investigational anticancer drugs eventually fail, the animal models on which clinical trials are predicated must at best be limited in power, and at worst wildly inaccurate." Dr Alexander Kamb, Global Head of the Oncology Disease Area at the Novartis Institutes for Biomedical Research, Nature Reviews Drug Discovery, 4, 2005 161 - 165.
sciencenotrats 1 year ago
While it is great to see this online
The reason they can get away with it is because nobody knows about it.
The public that will see this have no clue of the amount of suffering in the animal kingdom caused by scientific discovery of human beings.
We are disgusting. Let's start with ourselves and work our way out. The world requires stable people to respect all creation as life.
MatthewSforcina 1 year ago
thanks for sharing
clk211bu 1 year ago
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Check out The True Nature Network's website for a video on this subject (and other topics) - it's called "From Mice To Men: The Use of Animals In Psychology Experiments".(truenaturenetwork - then a period - then org)
Kittibutt 2 years ago
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Kittibutt 2 years ago
With every problem man came across, he somehow thought of recreating it in a lab, the vivisection lab. But all he finds is he has re created the same problem and he can never see this.
There were, still are, some good scientists, and they know the vivisectionist method is far from the way of discovery or answers.
ShroedingerWatcher 2 years ago
@ShroedingerWatcher Thanks. Im glad that not everyone has been fooled by this fraud
sciencenotrats 1 year ago
your all faggits. ya know
chrisman5502 2 years ago
Experimentation should be drastically reduced and regulated. You allude to urbanization being behind this but the growing popularity of Darwinian individualism amongst some sectors of society has also produced an indifference towards animals, and a forsaking of attempts to take a moral highground. Man's greater level of civilization should make him paternalistic, not exploitative. Scientifically, conflating animal studies to human behaviour is an oversimplification.
yohaneuano4 2 years ago
"Experimentation should be drastically reduced and regulated."
Just out of curiosity, have you ever read the guidelines for animal experiments? Most people are no where near capable of living up to them.
There was an interesting case where a lab invited anyone to come and adopt the animals out of the lab, assuming that they could meet the requirements for care of the animals set down in the regulations the lab had to follow... no one who showed up came close.
AutodidacticPhd 2 years ago 2
@AutodidacticPhd Do you mean these people who wanted to adopt the animals were going to put poisons down a tube into their stomach, hold them in restraining devices and put corrosives in their eyes and skin and lungs, brain damage them, starve them, burn them, cut them with inadequate anaesthetic etc? I bet no one came close to that level of 'care'
sciencenotrats 1 year ago
@sciencenotrats No, I mean that labs are required by law to maintain very strict rules of animal treatment, whether you believe it or not, and the vast majority of the general public are not capable of meeting those standard. And ranting against your favorite strawman does little more than show just how thoroughly addicted you are to rights propaganda.
AutodidacticPhd 1 year ago
@AutodidacticPhd As my claims are well founded in evidence they cannot be called a 'rant'. The scientific fraudulence of basing human medicine on animals is well supported by stats, expert opinion and common sense and the treatments of animals i have described is supported in the same way and by film, including recent film. Please tell me some benefit you believe humans have derived from animal exp. and i will be pleased to respond to that.
sciencenotrats 1 year ago
Data can be manipulated to present any view.
I agree, a doctor should try to help the sick feel better. Nowhere in that description does it say anything about experimenting on the healthy.
SmileNow2 2 years ago
I am a psychologist.
People who experiment on animals should be experimented upon .
SEASOFCONFUSION 2 years ago
Divinity is a psychological device created for a specific purpose. The concept of "god" as you understand it is a reflection on your own psyche, so those who are posting about god punishing are right, as are those arguing against. If god punishes you, then I'm sorry for you, but I beg you all not to punish those that are not punished by their own on behalf of yours. That's just unethical. I do find the humor in the mention of god in the comments pertaining to animal testing though. Well done!
:)
demitri241 2 years ago
Tell em about the Skinner Box and about how these Nazis try to control every aspect of our environment in order to elicit a certain type of behavior from us just like Skinner used to do with his pigeons. These pathetic pigeons thought they were in control when they were pecking the lever to get food just like most people in this country think they are free because they don't have any physical chains and shackles. How terribly wrong they were..
rdelaware 2 years ago
We can`t build our happiness on harming and killing animals. It`s just doesn`t work. God punish all of us for this
paatriciani 2 years ago
yes god will punish each of us, if we hurt these sweet animals, its all about our good and bad deeds!
ananya7ananya 2 years ago
god dont count good or bad deeds he judges the soul you cant earn your way into heavin
iamthedagmar 2 years ago
dead buries the dead......I would give you something, but you must be alive first....
Kharami888 2 years ago
How ridiculous.
bacholerno2 2 years ago
Agreed...aswell as deep good inner thought....keep up the good work and all bennifits...will bennifit all of us on the better planes...
Kharami888 2 years ago
Derrick Jensen is the man. I love "A Language older than words". It's my favorite book. Great video!
mrjimmypayjo 2 years ago
CLIP not working
tupacisincuba 2 years ago
The "repeated social defeat" experiment, if at all applicable to humans, would invalidate chemical imbalance and heredity theories of mental/emotional problems! Humans are treated just like those mice, and lots of us end up anxious!.. From birth onwards our deep biological needs for love, emotional connection and respect etc are repeatedly denied. There is a distinct lack of common sense and in the overwhelming majority of sciences which deal with emotions... They are clueless, and or, currupt!.
gurtjobby5 2 years ago 2
The only thing that could even come close to human behavior is chimp society, and even then it's not comparable to true human psychology, because there are different nuances and social graces between chimps and humans. Using animals to study human psychology is like washing your neighbor's window to see better out your own.
BunnaySango 2 years ago
I totally agree. For me, the ethics alone say not to experiment on animals. The fact that animal experiments don't give the same results as experimenting on humans is just something in addition to that. Since animal experiments do not generalise to human beings then the science actually contradicts it's evidence based ideology and claims. The result either way is cruelty, pain and suffering inflicted on terrorfied animals.
deliciousonionsoup 2 years ago
Of course the meat industry and the entertainment industry also both inflict great suffering and terror on animals.
deliciousonionsoup 2 years ago
ive read jensen for years. ive listened to your channel for about 1 year. so cool to hear you mention him. i reccomend you youtube a song by bad religion called Losing Generation. thanks for the great video as always.
ion1984 2 years ago
Humans have always been social gamers, hence the abiding respect or pschopathic actions and gaming style analysis. Sometimes they can choose puzzling, but if they want to demand importance, then they must take up the mortal enemy and declared master of puzzling which is competitive gaming. Once gaming becomes the law and the method, then people can lose their sense of empathy and "go to town" on the animals which don't have any rights in gaming reality, unless it's worth money.
hypnofan35 2 years ago
@hypnofan35
Interesting you say that. Many vivisectors/animal researchers are computer or video game players nowadays.
ShroedingerWatcher 2 years ago
99% of all statistics are made up on the spot....
but your right...
at this time, because of lack of human testing wee still need animal testing for most fields of chem/med research....
Vosij 2 years ago
You should add Derrick jensen to the video's tags when you're talking about him... I'm sure many of the anti/post-civ people here would be interested in what you're talking about.
DoJaenin 2 years ago
"I'm sure many of the anti/post-civ people here would be interested in what you're talking about."
I still don't understand how people who have such a problem with technology could see this. If they had any integrity, they'd put their money where their mouth is and go off to live in an "all natural" community.
I may not think the Amish are right, but I respect the fact that they at least live their beliefs rather than just complain about them loudly.
AutodidacticPhd 2 years ago
The difference is that the Amish simply don't see *using* modern technology as compatible with their beliefs so they live a seperate existence whereas anti-civ people see the *existence* of technology as a threat to the biosphere itself. You can't run from something that is destroying the whole world - so if you see technology as such a massive threat, the only thing that makes sense is trying to stop it with the most effective means you have.
DoJaenin 2 years ago
"so if you see technology as such a massive threat, the only thing that makes sense is trying to stop it with the most effective means you have."
Ah, so they aren't just annoying, they're dangerous. Without modern medical science and technology, I wouldn't have lived past early childhood, so as far as I'm concerned, anyone who would want to force others to give up technology is one step short of a terrorist... and besides, their ends don't change their hypocrisy.
AutodidacticPhd 2 years ago
on the other hand, without modern technology, millions of people wouldn't have died from nuclear bombs, chemical accidents, pollution, etc.
And seeing as the implementation of modern technology wasn't (or isn't) exactly the result of a referendum, there's "forcing" on the other side as well.
DoJaenin 2 years ago
"the implementation of modern technology wasn't (or isn't) exactly the result of a referendum..."
Yes, but I've never used a nuclear bomb nor do I support the laissez-faire methods of technical implementation when cleaner and more responsible methods are available. etc...
You (or at least the people you were suggesting need to see this) however, use the benefits of technology and yet complain about all aspects. I guess we should ban rocks too, because SOME people might use them as weapons.
AutodidacticPhd 2 years ago
"...without modern technology, millions of people wouldn't have died from nuclear bombs, chemical accidents, pollution, etc."
And of course, there is the fact that without the same modern technology, there wouldn't be millions of humans alive at any one time to threaten.
Why? Because without the fruit of our curiosity and creative efforts, our lives would be short, brutal and aimless.
No referendum would choose the 25 year lifespan and a 20% infant mortality rate or pre-civ humanity.
AutodidacticPhd 2 years ago
We shouldn't ban rocks, but we should definitely ban hanging giant rocks into the sky by a thread.
Why would the quality of life be less if there were less humans alive at any time?
And are you really suggesting that the lives of all humans exept for those who lived in our particular society in the last few hundred years were "short, brutal and aimless" and lacked curiosity and creative efforts? A 25 year lifespan isn't realistic either.
DoJaenin 2 years ago
"suggesting that the lives of all humans exept for those who lived in our particular society in the last few hundred years were "short, brutal and aimless" and lacked curiosity and creative efforts?"
It isn't just our particular society. Medical aid and technology is being spread around the world. And yes, outside of that influence short and brutal is true... and if you want to stop technology you will have to eliminate creative effort... to get what you want you will NEED a tyranny.
AutodidacticPhd 2 years ago
You don't need to have personally used a nuclear bomb if one person makes a critical mistake and everything goes boom.
SmileNow2 2 years ago
If animal testing were to cease 97% of all medical research would cease to continue.
Bigbossjin 2 years ago
Right on. By the way, in case you didn't notice, John Breeding is associated with the racket called "Scientology." I'm writing a book on the cult
bubbamickmac 2 years ago
Oh dear, so he is; he's on the board of advisors for the Citizens Commission for Human Rights, another Scientology shop front. Fuck, that's disappointing, I thought he was OK.
Valelacerte 2 years ago
whats wrong with Scientology?
Omega3chimp 2 years ago
This is a very informative video. No wonder it has so many views after only 1 day. Favorited and 5 stars. Imagine all we could learn by studying "scientists" who willingly do these sorts of things. Frankly, I wouldn't want to know.
Thank you...
1221solstice2012 2 years ago
I'm sure part of them deep down inside feels guilty or felt guilty at some point, but they numb the feeling or eventually become desensitized to the pain of guilt after repeated exposure.
BunnaySango 2 years ago
I don't believe animals should have ever been tested on, even if that means our "advances" are subtracted from the picture. A lot of modern medicine does more harm than good ...
Keep in mind that is my opinion and I don't wish to persuade anyone any which way, as I don't intend on debating it.
sharkspined 2 years ago
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Thank you so much. You are a great thinker.
catfishmudflap 2 years ago
Animals should not be used in research, it is ruthless and disgusting. They should not be forced to endure pain and suffering 24-7 for the sake of mankind.
It is a waste of our tax dollars, I can prove it.
windap55 2 years ago 2
Horrific, but perhaps necessary. Animal and human experimentation might be a very cruel thing, but certainly, it has shown results. It would be amazing if we came up with ways of acheiving the same results, without the cruelty part, but were not necessarily always capable of doing so. Maybe if we could design a program, and simulate what we already know about animal and human psychology, we can then predict what we don't know by pattern. But for now, this seems to work.
xx1Alex1xx 2 years ago
Great video!
suffo1134 2 years ago
I like all his videos, but excuse me, I just can not help myself in saying that he looks exactly as a trimmed Albus Dumbledore:)
eydos 2 years ago
Thia is such a great video!!
DecemberMoonGoddess 2 years ago
It's hard for me to even listen to the stories of animals being tested on. I agree with you that all life should be treated with equality and worth. Thank you for putting this video out there!
DecemberMoonGoddess 2 years ago
I agree wholeheartedly with your principle but what about how they used dogs and monkeys to create the life support machine , what if a life support machine saved a child who went on to become a vet or healer? the life lost gave many many lives?? good debate! peace xx
NeuroParadise 2 years ago
People on life support generally don't come back, or have a very tough time coming back. If someone can't even breathe on their own, they're technically dead and being kept alive artificially.
BunnaySango 2 years ago
true, I saw a horrible experiment where they severed a dogs head and tested its relflexes and senses by doing loud noises and putting citric acid on its nose. It was worse than the worst horror movie ever. its on you tube somewhere.
NeuroParadise 2 years ago
"I saw a horrible experiment where they severed a dogs head and tested its relflexes and senses by doing loud noises and putting citric acid on its nose."
If you are talking about the black and white film of the Russian experiments, it is more likely than not that those were faked. The process is questionable at several stages and the results were never verified. In short, it was a propaganda stunt.
AutodidacticPhd 2 years ago
I agree about that clip, I dont think that sort of thing makes it onto public veiwing channels. I noticed that to the side of the head they didnt film the empty gap ... just kept the full head in frame so yes i agree probably fake . I think it does go on though and on a regular basis.
NeuroParadise 2 years ago
"I think it does go on though and on a regular basis."
For the most part, no one is doing such sensationalist work. It has no application and is unpopular. The animal experimentation that goes on in medical research is vital and anything but vain. For example, ALL insulin dependent diabetics and transplant patients literally owe their lives to animal experimentation.
Stop confusing real research with 1950s mad science flicks.
AutodidacticPhd 2 years ago
Im sorry but if you have done any digging around you will know that many experiments are done by military companies which change under the guise of different fields of interest. there have been extensive projects which under military legislation have been kept secret. Also russia , china and other places hold experiments that are not common knowledge. Dont patronise me, if you read the thread I said the same point myself earlier on for gods sake. Most diseases are man made anyway.
NeuroParadise 2 years ago
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Kharami888 2 years ago
I think I've seen images or stills from that video but I can't bring my self to watch it. I'm already traumatized by a lot of the animal abuse going on. I would like to know however even though I dread the answer... is it possible to reattach the dog's head and save the dog? Like had they tried with the dog?
axolotlmafia 2 years ago
At risk of upsetting you further Im sure theyve used a lot of dogs (they like beagles for some reson) trying to acheive this , maybe they have but im sure too many have suffered in vain. hugs !
NeuroParadise 2 years ago
I am really admiring of MAPS and Rick Doblin and his efforts to encourage a reurrgence of psychedelic therapies, but was SHOCKED when i found out that he supports animal testing. His excuise was 'we had to to be accepted by the scientific community'. But I would sooner NOT be fukin accepted by them!
zezt 2 years ago
[But I would sooner NOT be fukin accepted by them! ]
Indeed.
Colston 2 years ago
Matt 25:40 "That which you do to the least of my brethren, you do unto me." I think that Jesus was saying, that we do this unto ourselves, using himself as the example because we are all Brahma, and He knew this.
losplatosdemaria 2 years ago
Thanks for making my point joesub but you are most likely to stupid to know you did.
kunga666 2 years ago
And you're too stupid to know the difference between to and too.
CrazyGrin 2 years ago
see the video where monkeys get poisened to death for testing, it's sad:|
ranransao 2 years ago
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kunga666 2 years ago
Martial arts training makes elite fighters dominant. Smith and Wesson is the equalizer.
joesub007 2 years ago
Don't forget, "chickens" i.e"{ the pecking order, rank and file}' ...etc
phfrankh 2 years ago
"You don't have to be a Weather Man to know which way the wind blows!" Bob Dylan
c16467 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
We are evolved/mutated primates DNA proves this. Why should we not use animals in experiments? Native americans are not "native" they are asian immigrants, the Human DNA Project proves this also. Where in nature do the weak serve the strong? Natural Selection is TOUGH.
kunga666 2 years ago
STFU, I bet your just a weak simple pussy that would be cleansed by someone stronger than you. Maybe the government should be like Nazi Germany, hey I support it, Mother Earth deserves the best & we can evolve to a better being. fags like you talk "survival of the fittest" yet are hipocrites.
pitviper71 2 years ago
how did rats ever become the "guinea pigs" of the research industry?
moviedude22 2 years ago
Hmmm...good point.
maggoli67 2 years ago
Very good video. You;re right, animals deserve, even as small a mice, deserve the right of life. Still don't know why so many companies test on animls... even for pesticides and so forth. I mean, if they know these chemicals will kill, why do they still kill all these innocent animals?
It's outdated science and is a waste of life. If we actually did all testing for human products... on humans, we would most likely have cures for Cancer and so forth.
patzivota22 2 years ago 7
@patzivota22 Ok, why don't you go to a research lab and volunteer yourself..
Nomoreidsleft 1 year ago
@Nomoreidsleft Whenever we breathe eat drink or apply an animal 'tested' substance we are voluntary test subjects as the animal 'test' does not protect us. we now have 30,000 diseases."Uncritical reliance on the results of animal tests can be dangerously misleading and has cost the health and lives of tens of thousands of humans." Handbook of Laboratory Animal Science Volume II Animal Models, p4, Svendensen and Hau (Eds) (CRC Press). curedisease. net
noratmedicine 1 year ago
@patzivota22 “Animal studies are done for legal reasons and not for scientific reasons. The predictive value of such studies for man is meaningless.”; - Dr James D. Gallagher; Director of Medical Research; Lederle Laboratories; Journal of the American Medical Association; March 14 1964.; in other words animal tests are done to CONCEAL rather than to expose harmful substances to humans for the purpose of avoiding litigation. curedisease. net
noratmedicine 1 year ago
@patzivota22 problem is if something goes wrong with the drug it just kills a mouse if somethin goes wrong with it on a human it kills a human being much better to just let a mouse die
charlesischuck 1 year ago
I am against animal testing and against psychiatric drugs for the most part.
iloveterriers 2 years ago 5
you need to eat.
TrAnMu 2 years ago
Great video! funny, I have ADD & schizophrenia. The ADD medication is awesome (well at least it makes me feel awesome). The schizophrenia medication is awful. I don't take 'dopamine target' stimulants any more because of the schizophrenia.. i take strattera. and zyprexa ruins my life so I secretly only use it as a sleeping pill. with lots of sleep i havent relapsed in 4.5 months.
i feel that i am an experimental subject but of course i doubt anyone is logging my experimental information.
ruderitalin 2 years ago
your phycihatrist is.................when you talk to them.maybe not word for word but im sure they are updating your file
sfmain 2 years ago
wow, interesting. When he started talking about lab rats, one of the experiments I was thinking of was the learned helplessness with martin seligman.
I think some of his experiments suprised people, because many did not even believe that animals could become depressed.
atkrunner 2 years ago 2
Eye opening.
CitizenCindy 2 years ago 5
anybody know what this guy is talking about
johnt49 2 years ago
Uh, most of us... yes. All drugs are testing on animals... & almost always their results do not equal results on humans.
& psychiatry studies on animals produces, of course, almost always predictable results, they're killing animals just to kill them.
It's outdated. we have plenty of non-animals testing methods that are cheaper, & more accurate, though many companies that test on animals are too locked on to the past... they avoid advances in science.
patzivota22 2 years ago 7
One day, We may learn to treat animals like poeple and people like brothers and sisters.
SSparks555 2 years ago 12
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LOL stfu peta fuck.
Bigbossjin 2 years ago
@SSparks555 But... uh... animals aren't people
ExodusFaces 1 year ago
@ExodusFaces Let's put You in their shoes ...
SSparks555 1 year ago
@SSparks555 But... once again, they don't wear shoes... because... they aren't people... lol. Did I mention that I'm a certified butcher? Sacrifice must be made for survival.
ExodusFaces 1 year ago
This guy does some great work. I check in with his videos regularly.
Sagittarius10000 2 years ago 13