hello brother. do you have infos or video for the OSA-AKM SA-8B SAM? here is a link for greek OSA-AKM locking a turkish F-4E terminator upraded with israel radar and EW systems which is unable to break the locking. do you beleive a osa-akm with 9m33m3 missiles can beat F-16C and F-4E? the system has multiple capabilities for dealing jamming like 2 radars and TV/LLLTV clos guidence. in libya they did not perform well but this maybe lack of good training?
@petros311 New design, its kinda similar to Hawk in some aspects as J22 Orao is similar to Jaguar. G4 was also used as very potent ground attack aircraft.... Unguided 57, 82, 128 and 260mm rockets, retarded bombs up to 250kg...and similar. They are still in Serbian inventory waiting modernisation.
anti-clutter mode, so i guess the combat experiance in most cases condemn them, since the USAF had better plains, better radars and much more advanced versions of AIM-7/9 than the iranians, and probably they did not took in concideration that factor. i have conclude from those parts of the videos watch?v=T5AbpZ3tcLg , that a key factor was the early lock on of the strong radar of F-15 drive all the iraqi pilots to try unlock it, give the initiative to the usaf, whats your opinion on this?
Simmilar situation,but even Much Worse is happend in NATO Attack on Yugoslavia.Their Mig-29's are non-operational,with Spent Lifetime of Whole avionics.according to the instructions Yugoslavian Mig-29 should be overhauled as Late 1994,Something which never happened.So You you can imagine in what condition they were in 1999?
In Aviation,Latest development in Avionics / Armament can change dramatically Ratios between competitive aircrafts.Slightly modifications can change everything.
watch this video for aircombat F-15C vs MiG-25P/PD it has only one incident with 25s but they did not use the R-40 from distance, as soon the F-15 lock them at 25nm they launch chaff to break the lock and get lower close to the ground trying to get from the flank. my guess this was their standart tactic when they get locked since the other fighters too Mig-23/29 make it probably from the iraq-iran war vs the F-4D/Es this work very well since their radar lack the ability for Look down and anti-
Yes that is Correct,Iraqis tried that tactics,becouse Theory said that every guided Missile (IR / ARH / SARH) have difficulties to Track Low flying target.
Generaly speaking,Iraqi Airforce have Old fashioned Aircrafts (Export versions) in terms of Avionics,Radars and Missile with Limited ranges.Their newest Aircrafts are Mig-29B with Export R-27R Missiles,with Downgraded Avionics.Also there are Indications that rest of fleet suffered from a shortages of spare parts,poor maintenance.
Is futile to argue that Iraqi MiG-25P had any chance against F-15s supported by Awacs.
Iraqi Mig-25 radar and avionics are based on Vaccum Tube Electronics,in contrary to Soviet Versions from 1980s fitted with Solid state electronics and with R40D1 Missiles with ranges of about 80Km.
Iraqi Poor trained crews performed Actions without any Tactics,they aren't turned off the Radars,so Guidance-surveillance system are destroyed Completely
@odzadze123 ofcourse its futile to argue becouse the suported awacs and the destruction of the ground radar complex by the USAF, and yes it was soviet practise that the export aircrafts were downgraded versions in electronics, and true almost all soviet aircrafts need very soon overhaulls, i think early versions of MiG-29 was 400 Hours. i agree in all except that iraqi pilots were badly trained, they were very well trained and experianced in real war, just the iranians was far inferior
Yes,Soviet used cheap materials for base e.g. in engines.But it's not Engine design fault.only materials.Today RD-33MK have service life of 4000Hours.
For Iraqi pilots,IQAF have their Elite scadrons,But in general they are Poor organised and most of other squadron Suffered from Poor trainings.Shocking is the fact
the Iraqi air defense, is not exercised Night shooting?
They have partial experience from the Iraq/Iran war time,but after that they dont Exercised Night shooting?
@odzadze123 If iraqis had at ten years of war with Iran which includes airwar don't you think that would have enough experienced pilots and technical knowhow to at least put Americans in a stalemate in the air. Remember that Iraq sent 120 aircraft to Iran just before Gulf War I and Iranians never gave aircraft back. Also Russians only gave Iraqis minimal support during GW I which not much support. In the end Iraq left Kuwait but Bush and Cheney still laughing but not in hell when they die.
in both aircrafts and fighting training and in new tactics. i was just wondering why the MiG-25 when they were locked by the F-15 go for the ground only and not get head on to lock them with their radar so they can fire R-40T/R missiles who i think they did not have lesser range from AIM-7F/M, they could get the angle of the F-15 by their RWR so to turn their radars to them, wich it was obviusly they had. maybe USAF had very good ECM and efectively jamming the RP-25 to prevent lock
did you have info about the rumoring that soviets steel the plans of the AN/APG-65 radar if its true? they say they put some of the characteristics of APG-65 to the radars of MiG-29 and Su-27, maybe the solid state electronics? allthough NO-93 and RPLK -27 have reversed cassegrain antenna and the -65 flat. how much of that its true or we would never find out?
Both Soviet Radars (N001 / Myech / RPLK-27 from Su-27) and (N019 from Mig-29) are Further Development of N008 Sapfir-23MLA-2 (Radar from Mig-23MLD) with Applied technologies developed for the experimental Soyuz radar program led by NPO Istok.To be Honest,Only some Principles are preserved from the original.
In many Ways they are Original Design!
Although Myech are not considered Sucessful,NO19 was considered,Zhuk radar Family is based upon him.
@odzadze123 in infos for early MiG-29 say that were equiped with Saphir-29 radar with max range 70km TWS 2 targets and 5 basic mods and was also available for export. Wile very soon the russian Mig-29 get the N0-93 (slotback radar) with max range 100km, tracking 69km, with look up/ look down capabilities. Did the N0-19 came from N0-93? there is so few infos about early radars after the introduction of the new N0-19, N0-10 and N0-11 radars.
@petros311 i cannot find infos about the N093 radar, probably it was confused becouse very little was known about russian radars untill early 90s, probably it was the early versions of the N019A (slot back A) radar sometimes called sapfir-29. also some of the variands of N019 called TOPAZ and others ZHUK, iam gues its hard to find the line of the radar evolved!
i was check the soviet plains scetch i have they are from aviagraphica, probably the same you have on your magazines! i dont really know the scores airplanes got in iraqi-iran war or the engagement of none fly zones in iraq in late 90s or the first gulf war, but i did know the incident with the 2F-14 shoot 2 AIM-54 phoenix vs a iraqi MiG-25 and after that fail USAF retired the remainder stock of AIM-54A/C from service, i was though the AIM-54C was the last model and not D
i have wach the detailed skech of Su-15 and i have the same one in some greek aerospace magazine from about late 90s, probably they use under licensed the same artist! what magazine was that? i was reading for years the greek magazine Πτήση PTISI (flight)
A fantastic airplane, designed and built in the 50s, entered service in the early 60s, and soldiered on until the mid-90s. Flew straight and true up to Mach 2.4, and with the wing extensions added later, was very maneuverable at low speeds, combine that with a good Beyond Visual Range look and shoot capability, and you get an aircraft older then you are that could still give an F-15 a run for it's money.
This airplane was a true Cold Warrior, and still one of my favorites.
@Dengar12000 probably it was good interceptor fighter, but it was designt to shoot down big bombers, and to try to compair it to the F-15 it has no meaning, in almost all aspects the F-15 its superior, great manouvrability, better radar and electronics, good vs bombers and small fighters, thrust to weight aspect over 1.1, greater range, more missiles, better canopy, the Aim-7/120 have wider use than the R-98R/T the corect aircrafts to compair it would be the F-102, F-106, F-101 interceptors
@odzadze123 nice videos and data you have. all the late 50s and 60s fighter designs wanted to incorporate in their aircrafts the concept of firing missiles from distance, but in reality the SARH missiles disadvantages (except the last gen befor active radar missiles) required the fighter to continue closing providing radar illumination, thus limited manouvers or the ability to break off, geting very close to the enemy, in Su-15 case a launch from 20-23km would bring near 8-12km prior destruction
Agree on that,this is one Reason why they Moved from SARH on ARH designs.
In that times Electronis are Main problem for Constructors and Engineers.
In general,Today is momentum of development put
in task for improvement of missiles,rather than aircraft platforms.
But For the classic interceptor speed and accelreation plays a big role,or otherwise how he will set Himself in a position to reach the target, and set up in a position to Illuminate target at maximal ranges.
@odzadze123 so untill entering service active radar missiles like AIM-54, AIM-120, MICA and R-77 the hit and run was impossible to achive, and the enemy F-4 would fire their AIM-7 which have similar range. only active missiles can fired and forget, but even them they need mid course update from radar of the launching craft with datalink becouse they have short range radars less 20km, so at some point the aircraft must turn, track the target and send the update to the missile.
My opinion is that Two aircrafts with simmilar armament and radars.one accelerates much more faster and have Greater top speed.
i think that this Aircraft will probably win.becouse Studies showed that with today "Fire and Forget missiles" greater chances to be shot down,have maneuvering aircraft than super fast Aircraft,because of the speed of fragments.Faster Aircraft will move faster from them in open space.
Note that Iraqi MIG-25P managed to escape dozen AIM-120 and AIM-7,AIM-54C.
@odzadze123 i have read in the past the incidents of MiG-25 evading using their high speed. with 2.87-3.2 mach the BVR missiles with only +4 mach can only reach it if they launched from close behind since the solid fuel rocket motors cannot sustain burn for long and +1 mach its not enough! but that proves only one advantage of high speed, the engage to combat and evade, from what i remember they did not kill some USAF plain, only once launched R-40? and evade with no results if i am not mistaken
Truth is that Mig-25 in Iraq/Iran war achieve dozen Kills against F-4,F-5 and F-14A.
Iraqi Colonel Mohommed Rayyan,was credited with 10 kills.
During Gulf War, a US Navy F/A-18 piloted by Lt Cdr Scott Speicher was shot down by MiG-25PDS (With Old Vaccum tube Export RP-25 Smerch radar) flown by Lt. Zuhair Dawood of the 84th squadron of the IrAF,with export R-40R (30Km range,4.5 Mach).
Truth is that Mig-25 in most cases evade Missiles at speed of 2.5 Mach,Not above?
In yet another incident, two MiG-25s approached a pair of F-15s, fired missiles (which were evaded by the F-15s), and then outran the American fighters.Two more F-15s joined the pursuit, and a total of 10 air-to-air missiles were fired at the MiG-25s, although none reached them.At least one F-111 was also forced to abort its mission by a MiG-25.
On January 5, 1999, a pair of U.S. F-14s fired two AIM-54 at Iraqi MiG-25s southeast of Baghdad. Both AIM-54s' failed to Reach targets.
In General AIM-54D have very Poor Combat Score.On September 9,1999,F-14 launched an AIM-54D at an Iraqi MiG-23 that was heading into the No-Fly Zone.The missile missed.Also in time of Iraq/Iran war abour 70% of Aim-54A missed their targets,but western press in that time claimed that reason is Sabotages by Hughes technicians?
But U.S. Navy combat experience showed almost Worse Picture?
Also you forgot that ZASLON have R-33 (4,5 Mach)with Effective range of about 160Km (200Km Maximal+)
For RP-26M in Su-15TM,this radar Has no Look Down/Shot Down capabilities, is Low pulse,I band
Interceptor radar,Vaccum tube design,with effective Range of 70Km.Interesting is that Have better range than Radar in F-4E for 10Km,and 5Km more than 18 Year younger(AN/APG-66) in F-16A.
For Radars in general,Soviets First developed Look down/Shoot down radar NOO3 which had Problems in some modes,but sucessor N008 Saphir are Much better design
@odzadze123 i make search in some magazine articles i have and on the net, but the 65-70km range for APG-66 its not confirmed, the range its up to 148km (80nm) with look up/lookdown 25-40nm/20-40nm, even if it is theoretical number, the efective range it should not be less than 100-120km. ither you confused the lookup/down or with the APG-67 wich come from APG-66 but has only 78km range. the greek air force make some joind excersice with F-16A MLU with APG-66 v2 and confirmed range 100-120km
@odzadze123 sure the Zaslon of the MIG-31 was a major achivement with the active array and probably much better from the AWG-9, but the latter was many years earlyer and sure probably the best aircraft radar of the world when come in to service, with capabilities to guid AIM-54A/C AIM-7F/M/P and AIM-9L/S/M
Yes AWG-9 is Older radar,But in this Final form we can se it only with Arival of F-14A
Predecessor models like AN/APQ-81from F6D Missileer,AN/ASG-18 from F-111B
have not not nearly Simmilar performances like AWG-9,they are SuperLarge and Overwight
(Like Soviet RP-25 SMERCH) ,With big Wide antenna and can Track / Attack only One target at the time.Ranges are pretty good,but still worse than Smaller AWG-9.They also Suffer from Slow Processors.
CIA using a civilian 747 so it would fly accidentally into foreign air space?? hmmm.. No, I don't think so... I think it happened because cold war tensions were high... The pilot was told to shoot it down, so he intercepted the 747 and got close enough to see a front to back row of lit airliner windows... the fighter pilot eased back and fired two air to air missiles and down goes the 747... very sad story...
the zone has been strictly kept, because some plants that were located there.
and due to specific political circumstances, it seems quite unlikely that the event took place at the worst time for the Soviets?
actually all agree that the Americans will won in both scenarios.
in the first
that the Soviets discovered flight Late and were not fired, it would mean that the Soviet Air Force was poorly organized and that the Soviets are mild.
in the second scenario, which also occurred in the worst political moment for the Soviets, the CIA knew that they would probably bring down a plane, and will therefore be to obtain resolution U.N. and will be with the help of the international community make additional pressure on the Soviet leadership, plus it will be slipped international outrage at the Soviets.
And in both scenarios the Soviets lost, so that what happened is not a coincidence!
Because in such events coincidence doesn't exist! The first event took place on 01.09.1983 Then the Soviets had the war in Afghanistan.
(27 December 1979-15 February 1989) and it was the most important reason for such action because this event is seriously undermining the international reputation of the Soviet. many countries after it denied thir support. also too suspicious circumstance was. that the aircraft came to repairs from the U.S. where it was rebuilt and navigation device.
because international attention was turned to something else? but monstrosity,in these two events are the same!!! And as a climax. remember what the CIA did September 11, 2001!!! Then the sacrifice of our citizens for the sake of creating a reason for the new neo-colonial wars, wars for oil! If you don't believe in 9/11. I will send you footages with a bunch of evidence!!!
Good video about this mysterious aircraft. I wonder if there are any more videos. (5:55 black/white photo is from Poland / Slupsk, when Su15's from Nivienskoje were visiting us).
Greek SA-8 AntiAir System locks a Turkish F-4
petros311 1 month ago
hello brother. do you have infos or video for the OSA-AKM SA-8B SAM? here is a link for greek OSA-AKM locking a turkish F-4E terminator upraded with israel radar and EW systems which is unable to break the locking. do you beleive a osa-akm with 9m33m3 missiles can beat F-16C and F-4E? the system has multiple capabilities for dealing jamming like 2 radars and TV/LLLTV clos guidence. in libya they did not perform well but this maybe lack of good training?
petros311 1 month ago
This is one "lovely" video. =p
jackiecastro410 1 month ago
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russmassey615 2 months ago
А в моём городе стоит Су-15 как памятник. 1200 машин было произведено. Круто..
TALIBAN377 4 months ago in playlist Military Aircrafts (Rare Videos)
@petros311 G2...not G4...Soko Galeb G2.
Militarija 9 months ago
@Militarija aha ok , thanks for the info, the G-4 was an upgrade of the G-2 or was a new design?
petros311 9 months ago
@petros311 New design, its kinda similar to Hawk in some aspects as J22 Orao is similar to Jaguar. G4 was also used as very potent ground attack aircraft.... Unguided 57, 82, 128 and 260mm rockets, retarded bombs up to 250kg...and similar. They are still in Serbian inventory waiting modernisation.
Militarija 9 months ago
anti-clutter mode, so i guess the combat experiance in most cases condemn them, since the USAF had better plains, better radars and much more advanced versions of AIM-7/9 than the iranians, and probably they did not took in concideration that factor. i have conclude from those parts of the videos watch?v=T5AbpZ3tcLg , that a key factor was the early lock on of the strong radar of F-15 drive all the iraqi pilots to try unlock it, give the initiative to the usaf, whats your opinion on this?
petros311 11 months ago
@petros311
Simmilar situation,but even Much Worse is happend in NATO Attack on Yugoslavia.Their Mig-29's are non-operational,with Spent Lifetime of Whole avionics.according to the instructions Yugoslavian Mig-29 should be overhauled as Late 1994,Something which never happened.So You you can imagine in what condition they were in 1999?
In Aviation,Latest development in Avionics / Armament can change dramatically Ratios between competitive aircrafts.Slightly modifications can change everything.
odzadze123 11 months ago
watch this video for aircombat F-15C vs MiG-25P/PD it has only one incident with 25s but they did not use the R-40 from distance, as soon the F-15 lock them at 25nm they launch chaff to break the lock and get lower close to the ground trying to get from the flank. my guess this was their standart tactic when they get locked since the other fighters too Mig-23/29 make it probably from the iraq-iran war vs the F-4D/Es this work very well since their radar lack the ability for Look down and anti-
petros311 11 months ago
@petros311
Yes that is Correct,Iraqis tried that tactics,becouse Theory said that every guided Missile (IR / ARH / SARH) have difficulties to Track Low flying target.
Generaly speaking,Iraqi Airforce have Old fashioned Aircrafts (Export versions) in terms of Avionics,Radars and Missile with Limited ranges.Their newest Aircrafts are Mig-29B with Export R-27R Missiles,with Downgraded Avionics.Also there are Indications that rest of fleet suffered from a shortages of spare parts,poor maintenance.
odzadze123 11 months ago
@petros311
Is futile to argue that Iraqi MiG-25P had any chance against F-15s supported by Awacs.
Iraqi Mig-25 radar and avionics are based on Vaccum Tube Electronics,in contrary to Soviet Versions from 1980s fitted with Solid state electronics and with R40D1 Missiles with ranges of about 80Km.
Iraqi Poor trained crews performed Actions without any Tactics,they aren't turned off the Radars,so Guidance-surveillance system are destroyed Completely
Without it,Mig-25s can't be Guided on targets.
odzadze123 11 months ago
Difference between Soviet Version of the Mig-25PD and Iraqi Mig-25P/PD
Soviet version have Semiconductor technology RP-25MN Saphir Radar,which allows to Mig-25 Pilot,
Autonomous Target detection and Tracking in much wider zone.
Iraqi Mig-25P/PD are Versions with Older type of radar called RP-25 Smerch A4
(Vaccum tube electronics) This version of radar was obtained with Belenko defection.
Limitations are Serious.
Pilot without vectoring from Ground control can not find Target in the Air!
odzadze123 11 months ago
@odzadze123 ofcourse its futile to argue becouse the suported awacs and the destruction of the ground radar complex by the USAF, and yes it was soviet practise that the export aircrafts were downgraded versions in electronics, and true almost all soviet aircrafts need very soon overhaulls, i think early versions of MiG-29 was 400 Hours. i agree in all except that iraqi pilots were badly trained, they were very well trained and experianced in real war, just the iranians was far inferior
petros311 11 months ago
@petros311
Yes,Soviet used cheap materials for base e.g. in engines.But it's not Engine design fault.only materials.Today RD-33MK have service life of 4000Hours.
For Iraqi pilots,IQAF have their Elite scadrons,But in general they are Poor organised and most of other squadron Suffered from Poor trainings.Shocking is the fact
the Iraqi air defense, is not exercised Night shooting?
They have partial experience from the Iraq/Iran war time,but after that they dont Exercised Night shooting?
Tragedy!
odzadze123 11 months ago
@odzadze123 If iraqis had at ten years of war with Iran which includes airwar don't you think that would have enough experienced pilots and technical knowhow to at least put Americans in a stalemate in the air. Remember that Iraq sent 120 aircraft to Iran just before Gulf War I and Iranians never gave aircraft back. Also Russians only gave Iraqis minimal support during GW I which not much support. In the end Iraq left Kuwait but Bush and Cheney still laughing but not in hell when they die.
camlpg 9 months ago
in both aircrafts and fighting training and in new tactics. i was just wondering why the MiG-25 when they were locked by the F-15 go for the ground only and not get head on to lock them with their radar so they can fire R-40T/R missiles who i think they did not have lesser range from AIM-7F/M, they could get the angle of the F-15 by their RWR so to turn their radars to them, wich it was obviusly they had. maybe USAF had very good ECM and efectively jamming the RP-25 to prevent lock
petros311 11 months ago
@petros311
Answer is ,they fled becouse USAF fleet of F-15s are when used in Escort Missions,
armed exclusive with AIM-120 AMRAAM.
Iraqis know that well. So in situation that they fired Missiles one on other,you know who will win in that scenario.
odzadze123 11 months ago
heres a great video for the Hellenic Airforce Polemiki Aeroporia of Greece watch?v=v3sVSx1Psh4
petros311 1 year ago
did you have info about the rumoring that soviets steel the plans of the AN/APG-65 radar if its true? they say they put some of the characteristics of APG-65 to the radars of MiG-29 and Su-27, maybe the solid state electronics? allthough NO-93 and RPLK -27 have reversed cassegrain antenna and the -65 flat. how much of that its true or we would never find out?
petros311 1 year ago
@petros311
No,these claims have been proven wrong.
Both Soviet Radars (N001 / Myech / RPLK-27 from Su-27) and (N019 from Mig-29) are Further Development of N008 Sapfir-23MLA-2 (Radar from Mig-23MLD) with Applied technologies developed for the experimental Soyuz radar program led by NPO Istok.To be Honest,Only some Principles are preserved from the original.
In many Ways they are Original Design!
Although Myech are not considered Sucessful,NO19 was considered,Zhuk radar Family is based upon him.
odzadze123 11 months ago
@odzadze123 in infos for early MiG-29 say that were equiped with Saphir-29 radar with max range 70km TWS 2 targets and 5 basic mods and was also available for export. Wile very soon the russian Mig-29 get the N0-93 (slotback radar) with max range 100km, tracking 69km, with look up/ look down capabilities. Did the N0-19 came from N0-93? there is so few infos about early radars after the introduction of the new N0-19, N0-10 and N0-11 radars.
petros311 11 months ago
@petros311 i cannot find infos about the N093 radar, probably it was confused becouse very little was known about russian radars untill early 90s, probably it was the early versions of the N019A (slot back A) radar sometimes called sapfir-29. also some of the variands of N019 called TOPAZ and others ZHUK, iam gues its hard to find the line of the radar evolved!
petros311 11 months ago
i was check the soviet plains scetch i have they are from aviagraphica, probably the same you have on your magazines! i dont really know the scores airplanes got in iraqi-iran war or the engagement of none fly zones in iraq in late 90s or the first gulf war, but i did know the incident with the 2F-14 shoot 2 AIM-54 phoenix vs a iraqi MiG-25 and after that fail USAF retired the remainder stock of AIM-54A/C from service, i was though the AIM-54C was the last model and not D
petros311 1 year ago
@petros311
Ah,in that moment i was very Sleepy :)
Yes it's AIM-54C from F-14D.
In fact Phoenix missile despite great range,have many Limitations.
Speed for First version are 3.6 Mach,4 Mach (For Later C version)
Originaly Missile are designed for Large and Slow targets (Tu-16 Bomber Interception)
so Phoenix can Track Low maneuvering tgt. with maximal load of only 4.5G.
So this is the reasons why Missiles don't perform well,against Small,Fast and Maneuverable Fighters.
odzadze123 11 months ago
after long search found those details for APG-66(v)2
Measured ranges
Lookup: T-38: 27nm(50km) F-4 40nm(74km)
Lookdown: T-38: 19nm(35km) F-16: 24nm(45km) F-4: 29nm(54km) F-111: 40nm(74km)
Predicted ranges
Lookup: MiG-23: 40nm(74Km) MiG-25: 49nm(90km) Tu-95: 75nm(138km)
Lookdown: MiG-23: 29nm(54km) MiG-25: 35nm(65km) Tu-95: 56nm(104km)
petros311 1 year ago
@petros311
Excellent Data!!!
this is what I meant.
For targets like Mig-21 (Original APG-66) have range of about 65Km
and for Mig-23 of about 70+Km
Rest is in Your data :)
Great Post!!!
odzadze123 1 year ago
i have wach the detailed skech of Su-15 and i have the same one in some greek aerospace magazine from about late 90s, probably they use under licensed the same artist! what magazine was that? i was reading for years the greek magazine Πτήση PTISI (flight)
petros311 1 year ago
@petros311
Also R-33S have range of 228 km,with 4.5 Mach speed.
...
For Su-15 Images.
Original Picture is taken i think from Russian Magazine named,"Авиация и Космонавтика" from 1992.
You are Greek?
If you so,Receive My Greetings Intended to Beautiful Greece nation :)
odzadze123 1 year ago
@odzadze123 yes i am greek, thank you, you too!
petros311 1 year ago
@petros311
Thanx Friend :)
odzadze123 1 year ago
Excellent video; great images.
Thanks !
locolopelocolope 1 year ago
is this the plane where Yuri Gagarin died during test flight?
cruxader27 1 year ago
love your videos Odzadze, keep up the good work
arkim44 1 year ago 5
hello Odzadze. Great job you have done with this video with rare footage. I really enjoyed it.
Badger071 1 year ago 10
A fantastic airplane, designed and built in the 50s, entered service in the early 60s, and soldiered on until the mid-90s. Flew straight and true up to Mach 2.4, and with the wing extensions added later, was very maneuverable at low speeds, combine that with a good Beyond Visual Range look and shoot capability, and you get an aircraft older then you are that could still give an F-15 a run for it's money.
This airplane was a true Cold Warrior, and still one of my favorites.
Dengar12000 1 year ago 4
@Dengar12000 probably it was good interceptor fighter, but it was designt to shoot down big bombers, and to try to compair it to the F-15 it has no meaning, in almost all aspects the F-15 its superior, great manouvrability, better radar and electronics, good vs bombers and small fighters, thrust to weight aspect over 1.1, greater range, more missiles, better canopy, the Aim-7/120 have wider use than the R-98R/T the corect aircrafts to compair it would be the F-102, F-106, F-101 interceptors
petros311 1 year ago
@petros311
I must to to correct a big mistake,which is circulating on the net,On many forums.
Su-15 is not Interceptor who was supposed to attack Bombers only.
for this purpose are used Yak-28P and Tu-128P, which are in the class below Mach 2
Su-15 is designed as a 2.5Mach interceptor that was supposed to intercept
Supersonic targets such as the F-4,and to destroy them at great distances.
in accordance with these,tests were carried out with the R-40D missiles (60Km)
watch?v=w4Vq1kINiZE
odzadze123 1 year ago
@petros311
Places where Su-15 regiments served are Vital places in SSSR ,near Borders with NATO countries and Turkey,Iran,Japan.
Su-15 is designed for Hit and Run tactics.
That means that after Launch Missiles on target,aircraft must to Run,and His Great Acceleration and Speed will help him to Escape
F-15 is 15 years newer Design,designed for Role of Agile Air superiority fighter,that mean that he can enter into a dogfight,But
Armed F-15 are much Slower in Supersonic Acceleration to the Su-15.
odzadze123 1 year ago
@odzadze123 nice videos and data you have. all the late 50s and 60s fighter designs wanted to incorporate in their aircrafts the concept of firing missiles from distance, but in reality the SARH missiles disadvantages (except the last gen befor active radar missiles) required the fighter to continue closing providing radar illumination, thus limited manouvers or the ability to break off, geting very close to the enemy, in Su-15 case a launch from 20-23km would bring near 8-12km prior destruction
petros311 1 year ago
@petros311
Agree on that,this is one Reason why they Moved from SARH on ARH designs.
In that times Electronis are Main problem for Constructors and Engineers.
In general,Today is momentum of development put
in task for improvement of missiles,rather than aircraft platforms.
But For the classic interceptor speed and accelreation plays a big role,or otherwise how he will set Himself in a position to reach the target, and set up in a position to Illuminate target at maximal ranges.
odzadze123 1 year ago
@odzadze123 so untill entering service active radar missiles like AIM-54, AIM-120, MICA and R-77 the hit and run was impossible to achive, and the enemy F-4 would fire their AIM-7 which have similar range. only active missiles can fired and forget, but even them they need mid course update from radar of the launching craft with datalink becouse they have short range radars less 20km, so at some point the aircraft must turn, track the target and send the update to the missile.
petros311 1 year ago
@petros311
My opinion is that Two aircrafts with simmilar armament and radars.one accelerates much more faster and have Greater top speed.
i think that this Aircraft will probably win.becouse Studies showed that with today "Fire and Forget missiles" greater chances to be shot down,have maneuvering aircraft than super fast Aircraft,because of the speed of fragments.Faster Aircraft will move faster from them in open space.
Note that Iraqi MIG-25P managed to escape dozen AIM-120 and AIM-7,AIM-54C.
odzadze123 1 year ago
@odzadze123 i have read in the past the incidents of MiG-25 evading using their high speed. with 2.87-3.2 mach the BVR missiles with only +4 mach can only reach it if they launched from close behind since the solid fuel rocket motors cannot sustain burn for long and +1 mach its not enough! but that proves only one advantage of high speed, the engage to combat and evade, from what i remember they did not kill some USAF plain, only once launched R-40? and evade with no results if i am not mistaken
petros311 1 year ago
@petros311
Truth is that Mig-25 in Iraq/Iran war achieve dozen Kills against F-4,F-5 and F-14A.
Iraqi Colonel Mohommed Rayyan,was credited with 10 kills.
During Gulf War, a US Navy F/A-18 piloted by Lt Cdr Scott Speicher was shot down by MiG-25PDS (With Old Vaccum tube Export RP-25 Smerch radar) flown by Lt. Zuhair Dawood of the 84th squadron of the IrAF,with export R-40R (30Km range,4.5 Mach).
Truth is that Mig-25 in most cases evade Missiles at speed of 2.5 Mach,Not above?
odzadze123 1 year ago
@petros311
In yet another incident, two MiG-25s approached a pair of F-15s, fired missiles (which were evaded by the F-15s), and then outran the American fighters.Two more F-15s joined the pursuit, and a total of 10 air-to-air missiles were fired at the MiG-25s, although none reached them.At least one F-111 was also forced to abort its mission by a MiG-25.
On January 5, 1999, a pair of U.S. F-14s fired two AIM-54 at Iraqi MiG-25s southeast of Baghdad. Both AIM-54s' failed to Reach targets.
odzadze123 1 year ago
@petros311
In General AIM-54D have very Poor Combat Score.On September 9,1999,F-14 launched an AIM-54D at an Iraqi MiG-23 that was heading into the No-Fly Zone.The missile missed.Also in time of Iraq/Iran war abour 70% of Aim-54A missed their targets,but western press in that time claimed that reason is Sabotages by Hughes technicians?
But U.S. Navy combat experience showed almost Worse Picture?
Also you forgot that ZASLON have R-33 (4,5 Mach)with Effective range of about 160Km (200Km Maximal+)
odzadze123 1 year ago
@odzadze123 i would like to see if you have detailed info about soviet radars of 60-70s on your videos, since what i can find its very generic
petros311 1 year ago
@petros311
I don't mention Radars
For RP-26M in Su-15TM,this radar Has no Look Down/Shot Down capabilities, is Low pulse,I band
Interceptor radar,Vaccum tube design,with effective Range of 70Km.Interesting is that Have better range than Radar in F-4E for 10Km,and 5Km more than 18 Year younger(AN/APG-66) in F-16A.
For Radars in general,Soviets First developed Look down/Shoot down radar NOO3 which had Problems in some modes,but sucessor N008 Saphir are Much better design
watch?v=8rz1V6FaYbk.
odzadze123 1 year ago
@odzadze123 i make search in some magazine articles i have and on the net, but the 65-70km range for APG-66 its not confirmed, the range its up to 148km (80nm) with look up/lookdown 25-40nm/20-40nm, even if it is theoretical number, the efective range it should not be less than 100-120km. ither you confused the lookup/down or with the APG-67 wich come from APG-66 but has only 78km range. the greek air force make some joind excersice with F-16A MLU with APG-66 v2 and confirmed range 100-120km
petros311 1 year ago
@petros311 I think on AN/APG-67 and AN/APG-66,Their max ranges are above 100Km (150Km for APG-66)
but These ranges are for Large Ground targets like Aircraft Cariers,Destroyers,or bridges.
For Small Aiborne targets they rarely can exceed ranges above 65Km.
Later upgrades like APG-66(V)3,or newer AN/APG-68 are Much better.
For ZASLON,This radar have in his time best Achivements,only he suffer from Slow
programmable processor.But later ZASLON-M got Faster processor,which Improve Performances.
odzadze123 1 year ago
@petros311 in that time soviets Don't have superiority in electronics.
But after 1976 Belenko Defection(First generation) Soviet Vaccum tube radar RP-25 from Mig-25P
fell into the hands of NATO,western experts immediately concluded that the Soviets were far behind
Now there are reasons why they then madetheir radars in vacuum tube technology,becouse is cheap and easy for repair
And the truth is that they are already in 1976,Soviets began to test the radar with PESA antenna,called ZASLON S-800
odzadze123 1 year ago
@petros311 and this is the first radar of this type.This is what Western experts did not know at the time.
This radar was Buil in Solid state Electronis,it has characteristics that famous AN/AWG-9 did not possess.
Zaslon is Legend in every way,just like AN/AWG-9,but is better!
Modified derivatives are Still in Use and have Amazing performances.
of course New Russian AESA designs will push it out of service.
I can't make a video with technical details,would not be popular!
watch?v=QQ6pjReX6is
odzadze123 1 year ago
@odzadze123 sure the Zaslon of the MIG-31 was a major achivement with the active array and probably much better from the AWG-9, but the latter was many years earlyer and sure probably the best aircraft radar of the world when come in to service, with capabilities to guid AIM-54A/C AIM-7F/M/P and AIM-9L/S/M
petros311 1 year ago
@petros311
Yes AWG-9 is Older radar,But in this Final form we can se it only with Arival of F-14A
Predecessor models like AN/APQ-81from F6D Missileer,AN/ASG-18 from F-111B
have not not nearly Simmilar performances like AWG-9,they are SuperLarge and Overwight
(Like Soviet RP-25 SMERCH) ,With big Wide antenna and can Track / Attack only One target at the time.Ranges are pretty good,but still worse than Smaller AWG-9.They also Suffer from Slow Processors.
Fully operational AWG-9 appeared in 1974.
odzadze123 1 year ago
CIA using a civilian 747 so it would fly accidentally into foreign air space?? hmmm.. No, I don't think so... I think it happened because cold war tensions were high... The pilot was told to shoot it down, so he intercepted the 747 and got close enough to see a front to back row of lit airliner windows... the fighter pilot eased back and fired two air to air missiles and down goes the 747... very sad story...
AviatorGuy 1 year ago
@AviatorGuy
sorry but you do not know all the facts!
the zone has been strictly kept, because some plants that were located there.
and due to specific political circumstances, it seems quite unlikely that the event took place at the worst time for the Soviets?
actually all agree that the Americans will won in both scenarios.
in the first
that the Soviets discovered flight Late and were not fired, it would mean that the Soviet Air Force was poorly organized and that the Soviets are mild.
odzadze123 1 year ago
in the second scenario, which also occurred in the worst political moment for the Soviets, the CIA knew that they would probably bring down a plane, and will therefore be to obtain resolution U.N. and will be with the help of the international community make additional pressure on the Soviet leadership, plus it will be slipped international outrage at the Soviets.
And in both scenarios the Soviets lost, so that what happened is not a coincidence!
odzadze123 1 year ago
Because in such events coincidence doesn't exist! The first event took place on 01.09.1983 Then the Soviets had the war in Afghanistan.
(27 December 1979-15 February 1989) and it was the most important reason for such action because this event is seriously undermining the international reputation of the Soviet. many countries after it denied thir support. also too suspicious circumstance was. that the aircraft came to repairs from the U.S. where it was rebuilt and navigation device.
odzadze123 1 year ago
and on its almost first flight on the route.
Plane turn from course, and that the crew did not know?
since all the pointers made signs that all is well.
I think the CIA has worked 1000 times tricky and complicated tasks in their History.
false flag operations are the CIA speciality.
so if we take into account that the U.S. Navy shot down a Iranian passenger
Airbus plane in the first Gulf War.
and all passengers died, it should be the same
but it is not?
odzadze123 1 year ago
odzadze123 1 year ago
Is this the fighter the Russians used to shoot down a 747 (KAL 007) flying straight and level?
AviatorGuy 1 year ago
Great stuff....pretty rare footage of little known aircraft.
Husar101 1 year ago
Excellent video! Never seen any of this footage before! Great info on the radars too.
S300V 1 year ago 4
WOW! fantastic rare footage!!! this aircraft is mystisc........ !!!
highnoon1236 1 year ago 4
Good video about this mysterious aircraft. I wonder if there are any more videos. (5:55 black/white photo is from Poland / Slupsk, when Su15's from Nivienskoje were visiting us).
wist112 2 years ago 14