The Crucifixion of Sebastian Horsley Part2

[ciberlucia]

no blood or nails in the palm of the hands? that's a shitty crucifixion!

[DRP996]

God doesnt like people mocking him... so he forced him off the cross

[01rai01]

@makoshark26 its not religion, its people who have a problem with religion that start/cause conflict

[c100wn]

FAIL XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[CassadagaTheNovel]

'Art is anything you can get away with' - Andy Warhol

[MrMonsterstiffy]

@CassadagaTheNovel  "art is what matches my drapes" Cleopatra

[parturisco]

a fascinating character

[hamoodigahan]

this is STUPID!

[HandsomeMattt]

What the fuck? This is creepy. Why would someone volunteer to do this?

[emerset]

@HandsomeMattt to be an artist depicting his exclusive perspective of the cross, amazing really

[Mejnour777]

RIP

[EdM021]

RETARDS!! This is why the Romans used seats and horizontal restraints: so that the nailed-up person wouldn't fall off. Once they figured that out, it didn't take them long to design those items for additional torture and sexual assault / humiliation of the condemned.

[EdM021]

By RETARDS I mean the only the people who designed the cross, selected the nails and ribbons, and nailed Mr. Horsley up. Plus everybody else involved in this - excluding Sebastian of course. May he rest in peace.

[emerset]

@EdM021 the problem was, the cross was left out in the rain for a day. the nails actually ripped right through himn when the foot thing fell off...

[EdM021]

@emerset The Romans never had a problem with THEIR execution crosses (cruces) and votive crosses (tropaea) being left out in the rain.

[emerset]

@EdM021 Yes this clearly shows the quality of Filipino products

[EdM021]

@emerset Obviously!

[Man777Alive]

As for "An Angel Falls", what emotional nonsense, go and actually read Scripture and stop pretending! God bless x

[Man777Alive]

Jesus never had a plinth to stand on, another artist desperate for attention - snore

[EdM021]

@Man777Alive Actually according to Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian and Origen, He had a seat of utter humiliation to sit on, or rather, "ride." The non-Christian writers especially Seneca back this up. It's also verified by two items of epigraphic evidence called the Puzzuoli Graffito from 100 CE and the Vivat Crux Graffito in Pompeii from 79 CE.

[Man777Alive]

@EdM021 Personally I don't see any reason for a plinth because it would aid the person being crucified. The weight of his body being supported by said plinth. Not much of a torture is it just having nails put through your hands whilst standing on a little block of wood? The argument that there was no plinth comes about because when exhausted after hours of hanging there trying to take your own weight off the nails through your feet, you would eventually suffocate to death through exhaustion.

[Man777Alive]

@EdM021 The "seat of utter humiliation" refers to the Cross itself I believe, why do youthink it refers to a lttle block of wood for the purpose of standing on?

[EdM021]

@Man777Alive (1/2) You don't get it, do you? People survived for DAYS on the cross and probaly died from iron blood poisoning. The Nazis did crucifixion experiments with ropes and and found out if one could lift himself up without a plinth, he would exhaust himself within an hour and then die from suffocation within minutes, once he couldn't lift up with his legs. But what the Romans used for a "seat" was not a plinth to stand on nor a plank to sit astride but a STAKE to penetrat onesself with.

[EdM021]

@Man777Alive (2/2) And naturally the four gospels hide this fact. Even though the first 2, Matthew (27:40 and 42) and Mark (15:30 and 32) in the original Greek has Jesus' fellow Jews use verbiage "(various conjugations of) katabainw apo tou starou" that could be and was interpreted as "dismount from the cross" or "quit riding the cross." The fact of the matter is, the Romans NEVER CRUCIFIED either by to the common definition OR Christian iconography (Cath., Ortho. or Prot.). Please get educated.

[Man777Alive]

@EdM021 Oh yes "naturally" they hide this fact. Bit loaded wasn't it? I am educated sir, I have a B.A. (Hons) in Religious Studies and an unrelated M.A. You sir are very arrogant indeed. The original point I was making about the plinth was that Horsley was not crucified in the proper manner, and by your expert analysis of this, you have proved as I thought, it was nothing but an attention grabbing stunt.

[EdM021]

@Man777Alive They haide the fact because the Christians did not want to acknowledge it. Have you ever read Miucius Felix Octavian chapter 29? When the Christian is accused of worshiping a criminal and his cross he deflects the question by denying everything and then accusing the Greeks and Romans of worshipping crosses them selves! A simple google of "crucis simplicis" and an image google of "tropaeum" would reveal that trophy frame back then and a crux immissa today are one in the same.

[Man777Alive]

@EdM021 Just because somebody doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they "don't get it." Have you any references for the information regarding Nazi crucifixion?

[EdM021]

@Man777Alive Google "crucifixion experiments by the Nazis" or just go to the Wikipedia article on crucifixion.

[Man777Alive]

@EdM021 oh Ed, my patronising dear, I think it unlikely that there would have been a definitive way in which Romans crucified people across the whole of the Roman Empire, however the claims you make, eg."NEVER CRUCIFIED" suggest you know differently. Of course you would have had to have been present at all of these crucifixion to know this, where you Ed? Each crucifixion would most likely have been carried out to the own individual liking/tastes of the soldiers, that is sadly the human way.

[EdM021]

@Man777Alive (1/2) One look at the actual Vivat Crux Graffito and the actual Puzzuoli Graffito will show that Seneca Younger in De Consolatione 20:3 could very well have been speaking about three of the manifold tortures of crucifixion on crosses of the type shown in the two graffiti: (1) Head tipped back towards the earth (2) impalement through the most private part and (3) arms stretched out on the crossarm. The Puzzuoli Graffito indicates that execution crosses resembled utility poles.

[EdM021]

@Man777Alive Besides, they had the tropaeum, Tertullian called it or something else a "votive cross" (Apoligeticus 9.2) And Francesco Carotta, an esteemed Italian linguist, figured out that Julius Caesar's funeral included his wax image fixed to a tropaeum cross. There are sarcophagi showing the pagan god Dionysius crucified on a votive cross. There are carvings showing people exalting trpoaea and pagan dieties just like in The Passion of the Christ. Romans would not treat criminals like this!

[Hellishcrusade]

Heroin ...makes one believe nothing matters.

[crazycasy]

weird shit man! rip bro

[candisuxxgood]

Anyone tried reading his book to find out why he did this and what he was thinking?

He was clean from drugs and low in self esteem as an artist and felt it was something he would do.

He was nailed through the hands and was standing his weight on a plinth.

The plinth strangely gave way!

He felt that even God had rejected his actions at this time.

[diafragm]

He says he paid for over 1000 prostiutes. Prick. I'd wash my hands after touching his bloody soulless crack hat.

[panther105]

And so now you're dead!!! What's the point? Maybe you lived like Lou Reed (My week beats your year) but I'm still living and you're not. I may even live long enough to see people land on Mars. You won't, loser!!. I prefer Better Davis (It takes guts to get old) I want as many days of this miracle called life as possible.

[Flaoo]

@panther105: who are you actually trying to insult, calling a dead man names? Life has no measurable value, especially not one proportional to its lenght. Feel free to enjoy your miracle. You'll probably find yourself enjoying it a lot more by being a little more constructive than now.

[dahmersbeeatch1979]

@Flaoo What a beautifully written, intelligent comment.

[ARootUpTheHole]

@panther105 For what reason? You are already dead. Sebastian will live forever. He will be remembered and you won't. What is more real than to be crucified than to share the sufferings of Christ? Mother Theresa gave up a priviledged life and went to live among the poor in Calcutta. Joseph Kennedy, who was almost certainly destined to be President of the US instead gave his life in WW2. What will you have done good or bad? Nothing. You will dry up like an old leaf and crumble away.

[dinod2]

Could this Dandy truly be the son of God?

[pjvenner]

Very misleading title... it looks like he was strapped to the cross rather than nailed.

IMHO, Desperate attention seeker - 3:41 he thinks "I'm getting attention" and smiles...

3:47 he's like "oh crap, I'm being filmed... look like I'm close to death".

I know he's dead now but that doesn't change the facts. Maybe the suicide was an attention seeking stunt that went wrong.

RIP Seb... I'm not speaking ill of the dead, just saying it as I see it which as an artist I am sure you will understand.

[novaboy5]

@pjvenner

If you watch part one, you will see that he was nailed to the cross.

[SirDigbyChickenCesar]

@pjvenner "...That doesn't chance the facts" What facts? You just speculated what he might be thinking, those aren't facts. He was actually nailed, with straps to support him. He couldn't have had all his weight on the nails in his hands, that would cause permanent damage.

[RaiderSix]

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Psalms 2:1-5

Thank the Lord that my parents feared the Lord and taught me.

[CelticReject]

R.I.I Seb

[carlgt1]

perhaps Sebastian will rise again in three days?

[danziger1995]

just seen a play about him at the soho theatre

[BlueEyedCelt]

where is this in the Philippines, Manila?

[axmokus]

well Sebastian is a fuckin psycho ... and so I respect him for it ... good job ...

[ousamabenladel]

.......fanatic.........

[bertiethetoupee4]

@ousamabenladel I don't think he actually believes in God. He did this to gain insight for an art project.

[myboomstick]

lol @ diamse no. 19 fucking with the foot rest

[candicemgrant]

wtf wheres the blood?

[johnwest360]

This is a part of our culture and our religion So PLEASE dont post shit comments! Learn to embrace cultures over the world!

[makoshark26]

@johnwest360 If there wasn't religion the world would be a better place , religion starts wars and causes indifference between cultures . Embrace your life.

[poppadocs420]

@makoshark26 Ignorant statement of the day

[makoshark26]

That's my comment just because I ain't like you makes me ignorant ,  Your just a troll and remember I am here to impress you

[tonylast47]

@makoshark26 the man's a fucking idiot!!

[aodhand]

@makoshark26 Do you honestly truely believe that the world would be a better place without religion? Perhaps religion does start wars, infact yes it does. But so does many other things, such as embracing ones life. Seizing the day and the billion other maxims that the ignorant use to attack religion, and religion also motivates people to go out and try and close the rifts and heal the wounds caused by those men that fought wars for their religion, for greed, for their own psychoses. I pity you

[makoshark26]

@aodhand Hello MR. T don't have pitty on me in fact take your holier then thou act and save it for church tomorrow.

I am not gonna start a youtube argument with a hypocriet over religion.

[chrisman737]

@makoshark26, most wars, even those that invoke religion, are not started by religion. Many times religion is invoked to justify ones actions -- actions that have nothing to do with God. Most wars are started from a desire to move into new territory. This desire is, in turn, fueled by many motives, including a desire for a larger economy, a desire for strategic military expansion, a desire for greater security, and other reasons not even remotely religious in nature.

[Man777Alive]

@makoshark26 Oh that old chestnut. Lust for power, money and status and personal fears cause war.

[AznInsurrection777]

@makoshark26: There was bloodshed before religion. Embrace something other than ignorance.

[ephemerol]

i respect a man willing to be crucified. also, he hates denim.

[adamlikesthings]

well good, read his book funny as fuck

[MsMorte]

what happened to his hands from the fall?

[adamlikesthings]

he recovered after a few months read his biography very funny!!!

[spinesnapper]

I dont give a shit about god. I'm not interested in old tales and story books.

This is funny and fantastic!

:)

[edgel09]

for god our body is his temple. and so he commands us all to take good care of our bodies. besides who are we sinners to go through to this as we're not qualify to be nailed on the cross just like lord jesus did. lord jesus died for he was free of sins

to save us all from our sins. all we need is true faith and the greatest of them all is love.

[yknottry1]

Further, millions of people stand on nails annually. That experience is a lot greater than your feeble attempt at a crucifixion. Funny how God did knock you off the cross though. Do yourself (and society) a favor and hang yourself like Judas...that would be something worth watching. Dickhead!

[starbabe58]

jesus died for our sins

[pjvenner]

@starbabe58 WAHEY! Let the sin begin! Why not if they've already been paid for?

[FreakZilla34]

For him to really experience crucifixion first he would need his wrists to be nailed with six inch spikes, and his heels or ankles crucified on either side of the stipes and the cross would definately have to be sturdy and thick enough to support his weight.

[MinistryOfDanger]

is this guy jesus 2?

[northcircular]

nanikore?

[elbarderita]

loooocooooossss

[missybest77]

Well I am sure you have your reasons for doing it but it seems very extreme and a bit nuts to me. Different strokes for different folks.

[basilvictorhomer]

Rather him than me.

[missybest77]

Just started his book so dont know much about him. Dont understand why he wants to crucify himself.

[cruxguy]

He did not crucify himself. He let those in the village where he visited crucify him. Those are the people who re-enact the crucifixtion on good friday.Sabastian was curious just like myself to experience what it is like to be nailed to a cross. Although he completely did not get nailed,such as his feet.And the nails that were used to nail his hands were basic 3 inch nails used for construction. See my notes from a month ago on here.

[ZayLong]

so your tellin me that you let people nail you to a piece of lumber....beacuse you were curious?

im sorry but thats the most retarded thing ive heard, and believe me, im around some retarded people alot.

Do what you will though but still, thats nuts.

[dopestar6666]

What a dumbass.

[cruxguy]

First thing is the footrest(platform) on that cross was not mounted properly, and it looked unsafe..you literally have to drive a large nail thru a big block of wood so that it can support human weight. When I was nailed to the cross i made sure it was safe enough for me so i would not fall off. Also Sebastian Horsley did not have his feet nailed,which is the most pain of being crucified. I should know,as i experineced it.

[TheGuitarPlayingMonk]

im sorry, are you saying you yourself have been cruxified?

[cruxguy]

yes i have..why do you ask ??

[yourfatmuma1990]

your showing off cos your a prick, i bet you haven't been crucified, you just want to seem different or something, well you're a wanker.

[dubbedcrazy]

sebastian found the loop hole to heaven *_*

how can he be denied entry there....lol

[zillahnoir]

looks to me like that guy that went up to him did something and made him fall...

[scottbaioisdead]

no the foot rest wasn't nailed properly, he needs that to stay on otherwise it doesn't work. you cannot support a human with nails through the hands and feet it's not possible which is why the crucifiction story in the bible is that, fiction. aside from that crosses weren't used, pillars were. thats what stavros means as is written in the bible in the original greek which was the basis for modern translations.

[wordlogicvee]

yeah, did number 19 move his foot rest?? and where's the blood ???

[xbc316]

Well done Seb.