BBC - Islam and Science 3: The Power of Doubt 1/6 - العلم في الاسلام

[DontBendOverForAllah]

If Islam is so great at Science where are the Scientists from Mecca and Medina - name one? Truth is Islam conquered lands let the great minds of the those lands continue working for a while and then destroyed their work as contradicted the retarded Quran.

The greek Aristarchus worked out that the solar system was heliocentric c 270 BC - they had access to that work yet still thought the solar system was geocentric.

Jim Al-Khalili is a bullshit sellout.

[babkrani]

@DontBendOverForAllah It hurts to read some people giving some ridiculous comments and calling people names and think they given a knockdown argument. If you watched the documentary you will notice that it also talks about some possible causes of the decline of the islamic science.

Aristarchus didn't work out the heliocentric model, but only formed the hypothesis, so many people did that after him, but muslim scholars are the ones who provided the mathematical formula for it to be available.

[DontBendOverForAllah]

@babkrani If these guys had all of the information Copernicus did why didn't they work out his heliocentric model? btw there is no tusi-couple involved in the orbits of the planets.

Free history lesson. 1610 Galileo saw moons orbiting Jupiter proving not everything rotated round the Earth. 1619 Kepler had worked out from Tycho Brahe's observations that planetary orbits are elliptical which got rid of the need for "epicycles" led to 1687 Principia published - Newton's law of gravitation.

[babkrani]

@DontBendOverForAllah People had 1000 years ago all metals and stuff necessary to make planes but they didn't.

Free advice, you should never argue with "why X didn't" but argue with what X actually did or does.

As you can see there is no proof that Copernicus did use there work nor did the video state so, all it says is that there is this possibility.

As for the rest of the comment, i would say thanks for the informations even tho all you said is off-topic, since its after Copernicus' work.

[DontBendOverForAllah]

@babkrani Copernicus switched from a geocentric system to a heliocentric system in order to reduce the number of epicycles in the Aristotelian-Ptolemaic model ie produce a simpler model. This is not mentioned by Jim Al-Khalili.

The Islamic astronomers got their ideas from Aristotelian-Ptolemaic model (which is not mentioned by Jim Al-Khalili either) they would probably matched Copernicus if they had been allowed to continue but Islam (Al-Ghazali) stopped them and hasn't changed since

[babkrani]

@DontBendOverForAllah "The power of doubt" => To doubt greeks' work. i think this is enough answer, if you watched all parts.

Al-Ghazali (1058-1111), Al shatir (1304 – 1375) and al-katibi ( 1276, who argued for the possibility of a heliocentrism, but then dropped it ) => No need to mention more scholars. And by the way i don't think "Islam" stopped them, since learning itself is an act of worship.

[DontBendOverForAllah]

@babkrani The Islamic Golden Age which did happen but is greatly exaggerated was due to the influence of Mu’tazili school of Islam which unlike the other schools was heaviliy influenced by Greek Philosophy. This eventually succumbed to Al-Ghazali's 'Incoherence of the Philosophers' which denounced Aristotle, Socrates and other Greek writers as non-believers. The Socratic Method is the basis of the Scientific Method hence the Islam (of today) killed off the golden age watch?v=gcSXwPsgLhE

[babkrani]

@DontBendOverForAllah muslimheritage(dot)com/topics/­default(dot)cfm?ArticleID=1330

I suggest to visit ths website, it treats the problem of Al-Ghazali in much more details.

[xforsakenHeart786x]

@DontBendOverForAllah I hope you understand your...Zionist/Christian rhetoric is far from suited to a real discussion. Once again, I hope that your let it seep into your feeble mind, that eloquence, regurgitated hatred and lack of argumentative skills mean you are without a doubt one of the most foolish people I have met. Why? Anybody can use complex nouns, adjectives and all other sorts of rubbish to 'persuade' others. I see through this facade. You are a fake. I call you out, you coward. Vs me

[UseAsDirected100]

@DontBendOverForAllah Copernicus went to heliocentrism because because he wanted to go back to the idea of uniform circular motion. According to just three articles I read and a book, there was no substantial gain in simplicity or accuracy in the switch. Sources: "Teaching History of Science," Shortland (1989) p. 61; "On being caught between Dionysians and Appolonians," Holton (1974) p. 65-81; "External and internal factors in the development of science," Shapere (1978) p. 1-23.

[timjohan]

Islam sucks...no discussion. You cannot live in 1000s years ago

[kesm1]

@timjohan we live now. and only the rulings of islam give solutions for mankind.

look at capitalism, the system that rules the world now... its clashing; it didnt even last for 500 years. but islam as an implemented system lasted for more then 1300 years. and the caliphate is returning, if you have noticed THE MUSLIMS ARE WAKING UP and we can not accept man made systems.

[RealRapAndHiphp]

@timjohan islam is the greatest

[alphacodexx]

God is Great.

so sad to see all the haters go out of their way to try and bash islam at every possible opportunity. if they only worried about their own faiths, they would get further in life.

[yasirpanezai]

actually religion has nothing to do with being a scientist those guys would still have made those discoveries if they were jews, christians or athiests.

[thefalstini]

@yasirpanezai Islam calls you t look for knowledge, even if you have to travel the world. and forget the inventions, but some scientific stuff can be found in the quran.

[housse51]

Even if Muslims scientists were "heavily dependant" on translating ancient greek & sanskrit "science journals"bla3. Still Knowledge, invention and discoveries are at its peak given facilities they had.. and what's wrong with that?? the fact that the foundation of modern science and technology was coming from & preserved by them.. Every scientist nowadays depend on the science discovered before, take algebra for example.. thats called progress

But.. when christian came.. you know whats going on..

[iliass64]

اين الترجمة؟؟؟

[slitor]

@leptismagna10 indeed, its been theorized that if alexander never reached india and spread greek language there might never have been the spread of knowledge. however you must remember that alot of greek preconceptions about metephysics was wrong, and had to go before further progress could be made, the muslims were the first todo that so they could confirm new discoveries

[TheDamasceneSteel]

@DieBlobb Check her profile, info one click away, she is a hooknosed jew from russia. Only that kind of jewish hate would lead to her commenting on what she knows nothing about.

[leptismagna10]

You are aware that the work of medieval muslm scientists was heavily dependent on translating ancient greek and sanskrit science journals into arabic and continue on from that right? If they only had the koran, they'd be walking into walls over and over.

And all those muslim scientists were from places that already had ancient cultures, such as syria and north africa. That's why there's not a SINGLE muslim scientist from the arabian peninsula, home of Islam, where there was no ancient culture.

[EkaterinaRukovskaya]

@DieBlobb If that is true then there are no Muslims on this planet.

[EkaterinaRukovskaya]

The latest in Muslim fashion and Islamic technology comes the explosive underwear and shoes. This will guarantee you a place in paradise and 78 virgins. (***Disclaimer for men only***).

[lifelessperson1993]

@EkaterinaRukovskaya actually, suicide bombers will all go to hell, even Muslim ones, because suicide is forbidden in Islam and will guarantee you damnation...

[SAJEDMUNIR]

THE MIRACLES OF PAIN RECEPTORS IN THE QURAN SURAH NISA VERSE 56

Surely! Those who disbelieved in Our Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), We shall burn them in Fire. As often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for other skins that they may taste the punishment. Truly, Allah is Ever Most Powerful, All-Wise.

[taildragger53]

Brilliant film....I think someone should educate Pat Condell & his cohorts about all this.

[razboy786]

to the chap who states that they seem to fit verses once something has been discoverd, there are copies of quran existed that are very old 500 or 600 years or perhaps even older, and if one was to compare with modern copy they'll come to realise that not a single word has been added, so wat was said then isnt that a prove to non believers of future discoveries, it is one who is moron himself who does not willing to find the truth himself by researching but instead calls other morons.

[nonyspace]

@razboy786 exactly qur'an have been there around 1400 years

[Fujcake]

If anyone notices the reason why (probably)he mentions Muslims and Islam is because there were actually Muslims who deducted theories and observations and ideas-which are in fact derived from the Quran.This is 1400 years ago.Yes, there may be some of you 'haters' of Islam or something reading this thinking utter nonsense but how about actually reading the Quran and finding out? Such facts in the Quran mentioned are that the celestial bodies orbit the Sun not vice versa. It is in the Quran

[Toughndeadly]

Muslims claim every major scientific discovery was in the Quran all along, sent by allah. The thing is, they always seem to fit verses to discoveries after they've been discovered. Can any muslim tell us of any FUTURE scientific discoveries we might find? After all, it is all in the quran right? Bunch of morons LOL.

[Treeeeenaful]

@Toughndeadly 1400 years ago what did desert ppl know about the discoveries in the Quran HUH?? And how does someone who cant read a book find these things out,and how does some one in the middle of the desert get a book about these things???????

[Treeeeenaful]

And lets not forget some of these things werent discovered till later on in time sooooooo there are your FUTURE scentific discoveries

[sabashsabash]

@Toughndeadly: Hello: Kindly check out the following two videos on youtube:

keyword / title search ..

Video 1: The Secrets Of Water (Documentary) - Scientific Information for the curious

Video 2: The Secrets of Water & The Six Sunnats

This is about the effects of faith (with scientific doscovery) on something as simple as drinking water.

Regards.

[TurbanzRus3]

ISLAM is the Only Religion which never went against Science. ISLAM and science always did and continue to go hand in hand...

[Appleball]

how does this have anything to do with islam , just cause the people were muslims doesn't mean their ideas were the work of islam.It would be the same thing to say that it was christianity which put a man on the moon.

[philsci1]

@Appleball Absolutely. The so called 'golden period of islam' (or for that matter the relative tolerance of Andalusia) was rather in spite of islam...I like Jim Al Khalili's documentaries and I understand to some extent his desire to defend the culture from which he comes but the truth is that islam, the ideology, is a hindrance for the free inquiry..the best proof is the 1000 years stagnation of the muslim world, the contribution of islamic world to Modernity is at best minimal.

[drydust999]

@philsci1 I think you forget to mention that in the case of Andalusia, the relative tolerance was due to the imposition of the jyzzia (religious tax imposed by Muslims to non-believers). Not exactly flower-power tolerance.

[Treeeeenaful]

@Appleball First of all saying that is was "Christians that put man on the moon" is just stupied,because you cant say everyone involed was Christain,Maybe some were Muslim or Jewish,and besides the Russians beat us to the moon.And this has alot to do with Islam,the Quran teaches these things and these scientist study these things and this is how they get the information without the knowledge in the Quran it would have been in possiable for them in this time period to know these things

[Appleball]

@Treeeeenaful ..... ..... ur troll attempts fail

[Treeeeenaful]

@Appleball Aww no logic just words of hate is that what your religion teaches you??You dont offend me and never will,I have had manyhatful things said to me so i unlike you dont let my human sinful nature take control of me.Just cause you cant answer someone cause you have no knowledge doesnt mean you attack them.This is what is wrong with our world...NO RESPECT OR LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER!!!!!

[Appleball]

@Treeeeenaful yes it's sad that u have no respect or love for anyone =(. i wish people could be more like me and have fun with other people.

[Treeeeenaful]

@Appleball i guess it is fun in your belief system to call ppl names when you have nothing intelligent to say

[Appleball]

@Treeeeenaful kind of hard if i don't have a belief system, u lose

[Treeeeenaful]

@Appleball lol everyone believes in something doesnt matter if it is GOD,the Devil,Mother Nature even if you pray to a tree everyone believs in something,,,,So that was kinda silly to say because when you talk about scientific discovers means you even believe in science

[Treeeeenaful]

oh ya guess i didnt lose since it high school and all :))

[Appleball]

@Treeeeenaful lol, just cause u need to create fairy tales for urself doesn't mean everyone believes in something. There's no believing in science, there's just an acknowledgment that something could be true or false. If u think something's true there's no believing but just understanding the possibility that something is true. Looks like u lose a second time.

[Treeeeenaful]

@Appleball hahaha really your round about way of understanding is belief because if you understand something to be true then you believe it is true,,,DUh????You can talk in circles if you want but it makes you look kinda dumb

[Appleball]

@Treeeeenaful it's kind of pointless to discuss this if u don't even know what belief means :D

[Treeeeenaful]

@Appleball Oh i know what beliefs means and i cant help if you are one of those ppl that thinks talking in circles will confuse ppl enough that the wont know what THEY are talking about.I am not one of those ppl i dont get confused easy...sorry

[Appleball]

@Treeeeenaful it looks like u already made urself confused

[Treeeeenaful]

@Appleball nope not confused at all :P

[liehood]

@Appleball yh and the man who was a christian is now a muslim

[kit007yes]

whatever happened to all the wisdom in science and mathematics during Sassanian Empire. Why does he say Islamic Scientists meet European scientists? This is wrong. He should say Asian Scientists meet European Scientists. Or if he is going to make parallels: Islamic Scientists meet Christian SCientists. Lets call it what it was Medieval Near Eastern Scientists, primarily Iranian scholars, meet the Italians.

[kulyateiqbal]

every natural thing is islam

islam did not give list of things of order and dis order but gave the principle that every thing which supports silm e kaffah (total order) or islam is maroof and every thing which against of order or silm e kaffah is munkar means dis-order

this is the reason muslim collect the wisdom from all around the world and compared with quranic principle of maroof and munkar

[kulyateiqbal]

and al-tusi had taken the idea of center from quran which gives a notion that each planet is in its own orbit

so the idea of center came from orbital center

kullun fee falakein yasbahoon-( 36--40)

[huntedrasta]

RESPECT THE ARAB LANDS

[pastrychef1985]

I like Al-Khalili's World Service documentary, worth a listen to!

[scienceandislam]

And Allah has Created every animal from water; of them are some creeping on their bellies; some walk on two legs; and some on four. Allah Creates what He wills: for sure Allah has Power over all things.

[Noble Quran 24:45]

[afghanistanculture09]

wonderful clip, ISLAM IS THE TRUTH

LOVE & PROUD TO MY RELIGION OF ISLAM :)

[booboogoth]

REAL ISLAM ROCKS!!!!!!! :D

[rimmel10]

fuck off

[DawahAndDeen]

Allahu Akbar

[23poison]

thnx for sharing :)