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[savethepigeons]

Great. Why bother getting a job and being a productive member of society when you can just have the government give you everything you want? Pretty soon our country will turn to socialism, which means that if I were to work hard in school, go to college, and get a high-paying job, the government would take half of my money away to pay to support people who are too lazy to get off their asses and find a job. I really hope Obama fails.

[centrorepublica]

Sorry for my crazy posting to burnmetodeath and Goohuman, I had a lot of technical difficulty getting my posts up in correct numbered order. If you follow the numbers - 1,2,3,4 - the argument flows correctly

[Goohuman]

Let me just get a temperature check here. Do you honestly believe what you are posting here?

Do you believe that ACORN is not destroying false registration forms and turning them in because destroying them is against the law? Do you believe they are reg'ing more Dems because of where and who they solicit? Do you believe that all of that falsification had NO IMPACT!?

You never even addressed the embezzlement or bias. No response to those issues?

[centrorepublica]

Yeah I believe it, that's what I said isn't it? But it's not a matter of belief or feeling. I'm not just impulsively saying these things, I looked into it. (I especially stand by the statement about registering more democrats makes perfect sense, given that acorn works in low income and often minority neighborhoods. These folks go blue, basic political science 101.)

[Goohuman]

And what I'm saying is that they are Reg'ing Dems because that is what they want! I can guarantee you that they destroy registrations. They destroyed mine. I registered independent and they tossed it. They are a politically motivated organization and they are specifically seeking out those that will reg as Dems. They do not care about the law. They are destroying non-Dem registrations. Not just mine.

[centrorepublica]

Plus I have experience as a door-to-door canvasser so I know how those things go. People get registered twice because they accidentally double canvass an area. Lazy canvassers make up info just to make quota. But ff you register "Mickey Mouse" to vote, even if the application isn't thrown out by the board of elections and actually gets on the rolls, Mickey Mouse never shows up to vote. If you register someone to vote twice, this is very hard to turn into two votes on election day. VERY unlikely

[Goohuman]

You have experience? No kidding! I campaigned and polled for Dukakis. I was a dedicated democrat, until the party just fell off the left side of the map anyway. I saw the angry accusations by my parties canvassers turn into insane action as Dukakis was losing ground to Bush. Some of it worked! I went independent a decade later as the party went wacko liberal. I never changed my views. Mine are time tested. The party changed. Both did. Power mad people in charge. I want them all out.

[centrorepublica]

Regarding the embezzlement and bias, I think you mean in their home mortgage division. I haven't looked into this so I don't have ideas there.

But overall point - the worries about serious voter fraud because of sloppy acorn canvassing is just a bunch of talking heads trying to wipe conservatives into a frenzy to boost ratings. Which I think is the bread and butter of TV news - pandering to the ire of various left wing and right wing constituencies for ratings at the expense of good journalism

[Goohuman]

You sound like a bought and sold party loyalist. You must be aware of the bias in ACORN. They do not serve the people.

The embezzelment was ACORN. The money came from the government via Obama. Senior ACORN leaders know about it and it is not political. It is a crime.

[centrorepublica]

If you think I'm a "party loyalist" after what I wrote then you aren't reading very carefully, and it's not worth my time to continue this conversation. And I fully recognize that ACORN has done some shoddy work. The story about one of their founders embezzling money is true.

[centrorepublica]

All I am saying is that the reporters in this clip are wrong about both the intentions and the impact of the "voter fraud" issue, but are playing it up anyway for ratings and anger. This plays out in facts if you do some research.

Though from your responses I see you are less interested in a discussion, more in venting your points of "belief" and panic. Though I should expect that, being a YouTube comments section. Good reminder why I normally don't engage in debates here, so I am out. Peace.

[Goohuman]

You are out because your "belief" is in a false "massiah". He coddled ACORN, which supports one side hoping to turn the country more socialist, and is turning the country more socialist. ACORN was corrupt in its very idiology long before the systemic voter fraud and embezzelments.

How can you defend that? You sound like MSNBC. No perspective, just party-line BS.

Better luck next time.

[centrorepublica]

This is all lies and distortion. Don't believe anyone you hear on TV, left or right.

[Goohuman]

I don't believe you. Dismissing info without looking into it is irresponsible.

[centrorepublica]

How do you know I didn't look into it? I actually have, extensively.

[Goohuman]

Because your tone was that of 'Don't believe this story.' If you looked into it extensively I doubt you could miss the evidence for the voter fraud charges as put forth by members of ACORN and others. That is, after all, what this clip is about.

Do you believe the story is accurate? If not, why not? I am listening.

[burnmetodeath]

Care to elaborate? Or are you just gonna throw your little drive-by accusation out there and hope people don't call you on it?

[centrorepublica]

Hey guys, sorry to leave you a little hanging. I also didn't mean to set off what might be a time consuming debate - I am not up for that so I apologize for any disappointment. Don't take this as a concession of the point, simply an unwillingness to fight a youtube comments war. My thoughts, in a nutshell, are:

[centrorepublica]

(1) ACORN turned in a lot of fake registration forms. However, this was not some calculated or malicious campaign. It hurts ACORN more than anyone to be paying canvassers who then don't do their jobs. But when you expand as quickly as they did, and stupidly don't put a lot of resources into quality control, you will have canvassers who scam in large numbers.

[centrorepublica]

(2) most everywhere it is illegal to destroy a registration form if it has been filled out, so ACORN was required by law to turn in forms they knew were falsified by their canvassers. In many places they flagged forms they knew were fake in order to help the Board of Elections decide which were false (only the Board can determine to destroy a form someone has turned in to a voter registration organization).

[centrorepublica]

(3) Only a portion of false registration forms would have become approved registrations, and none or almost none of those registrations became fraudulent votes. In fact, I don't think there is a single documented false vote cast that can be attributed to ACORN registrations

[centrorepublica]

(4) Any mass voter reg campaign is inherently politicized, because the large amounts of unregistered voters in this country are disproportionately people of color and/or low income. Which means, in general, Democrats gain when more people register, Republicans benefit from the status quo. Of course ACORN registered lots of Democrats, they do voter registration in low income communities and communities of color! Sure ACORN was sloppy as hell, but the effect in terms of "false VOTES" is near ZERO.

[LadyGreenEyes964]

The Dems pay ACORN our money.......ACORN fraudulently registers voters......the Obama campaign sends money to ACORN.....Obama is elected.......

Can anyone else see the FRAUD here?!?!? WHY is this not being investigated and challenged???

[WeRevealTheTruth]

Google this: stop-obama-constitutional-cris is

Go to the 3rd or 4th site and sign.

THIS IS NO JOKE PEOPLE! GO GO GO GO GO!!!!

[jefeisdguard]

Libyan Leader: M'ammar Al-Qadhafi

Al-Jazeera TV(Qatar)

June 11, 2008

Along came a black citizen of KENYAN African origins, a MUSLIM, who had studied in an ISLAMIC SCHOOL in Indonesia.

His name is OBAMA.

All the people in the ARAB & ISLAMIC WORLD & in AFRICA APPLAUDED this man. They welcomed him & prayed 4 him & 4 his success, & they may have even been involved in LEGITIMATE CONTRIBUTION CAMPAIGNS to enable him to WIN THE AMERICAN PRESIDENCY.

Sobering how those supporting Obama HATE AMERICA!

[jefeisdguard]

Listen up Obamanites & those voting 4 Barak Hussein Obama

QUESTION: Do u support terrorists & terrorism? Voting 4 Obama means that U SUPPORT TERRORISM & TERRORISTS!

No ifs &s or buts, this's soberingly & realistically what YOU ARE doing!

IF U SUPPORT BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA, YOU ARE HENCEFORTH IN LEAGUE WITH TERRORISTS! Terrorists not only support ObamA but they ENDORSE HIM! FINANCIALLY TOO!

Hamas, Ahmadinejad, Qadafi, Iran endorse Obama!

OBAMA SPEAKS ARABIC/Harvard education paid 4 by Rich Saudi

[tonytube77]

gmcjetpilot, and all ignorant liberals! Thank God their are anti-acorn groups speaking against this corrupt and fraudulent group. Mortgages for people that cannot pay a mortgage. They don't even have to provide proof of income. Would you loan $20.00 to some loser that doesn't even have a job! Now you and I are on the hook for billions in taxes for this bailout!

And don't forget most Democrats also voted for this war in Iraq and now those liberal fags are saying this is Bush's war. Cowards!

[gmcjetpilot]

Consumer Rights (wing) League, is on FOX a lot. Their web site is about anti-Acorn.

"Voter registration and it is mostly Democrat"

OH NO HOW CAN THAT BE, IT MUST BE FRAUD?

People are SICK of the Republicans and the last 8 yrs of corruption, incopentence and record pork & deficit spending. Need I remind you have who got us in Iraq, THE DECIDER! Bush. In 2004 we where so bogged down in Iraq no one noticed sub prime.

"Voter fraud" is GOP speak for suppress the DEMS vote of the POOR.

[CledusTJuddfan]

ill tell you why they get money....because acorn helps to get the liberal democrats in office

[NaderRaider]

Ah yes- the lovely democrats want to privatize profits and socialize losses with the original 700B bailout bill. The Original version had a "110M+" to ACORN (the Community Organizer Group that Obama worked for). Obama rushed to DC to sign it, GOP rejected it! ACORN is a corrupt activist group (ACORN claims to be non-partisan - but serves only democrats agendas). ACORN workers have been indicted on NUMEROUS OCCASIONS- Google "ACORN and FRAUD" and "OBAMA and ACORN" if you don't believe me!

[Licmycat]

Nuanced?

[jasonla85]

Anyone who wants to learn the true nature of the Obama campaign, just look at the caucas fraud commited in several states during the primaries; how they deliberately overturned many peoples constitutional right to vote and got away with it. Watch the news broadcasts showing arrests for voter fraud. Listen to what several witnesses had to say;

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[PrincesseJen]

It's a shame that CNN and MSNBC won't cover ACORN. People should know about this and it's connection to Obama. That he worked for them.

[houseguru123]

If you did a simple search you would see that CNN covered this story pretty extensively numerous times and MSNBC also covered ACORN. Don't be so lazy.

[computerpurple]

Today (Sunday 9/28/08) on Fox News Sunday Senator Lindsey Graham mentioned that acorn is not in the bailout bill.

[ryanshaunkelly]

Spoil what? Waste what? Steal what?

Barack Obama we do not doubt your intelligence. To be an effective leader one must also display honesty, compassion, & guts. Stand with Ralph Nader, Ron Paul, & Cynthia McKinney. NOT John McCain. Your choice - your move.

[bobblefest]

everyone knows Bush rigged the building with bombs, and was flying one of those invisible anti-gravity machines, and then used a super-imposed 737 commercial jet in a reverse negative against a matte skyline, and then by remote control used the matte skyline to make it look like the jets flew into the buildings which never existed anyway, but were used to make it seem like NYC was new and modern with buildings that never even existed to fool the aliens who were wanting to take over earth but cou

[doughborne]

Americans need to vote out every lying crooked democrat, that means all democrats out of Office ! Wake up, they are bringing Our Country to Our Knees. Whatever they don't steal, they get paid to protect those ripping US off, take the earnings of Hard Working Americans and give that money to those who think we owe them a living and pocket what is left over. Please help get these democrat crooks out of Our goverment ! Pro Patria doughboy

[NaderRaider]

Well stated!

This is horrendous! the Taxpayer should not subsidize ANY political agenda, EVER!

I am outraged! Privatized profits and socialized losses. Funny how ACORN gets to enjoy profits from this at our expense! Your grandchildren will be paying for the continued success of ACORN voter fraud!

[txrottie]

I think I am going to stop paying my mortgage. I can afford to pay it but why should I? I can sock the cash away and buy a boat or something. I would rather let the government buy my house. I don't know why I didn't think of this sooner, crap! Soon enough nobody will get evicted because there will be too many empty houses and they will NEVER sell. I'll just offer them a payment plan of, oh lets say, $50/month. I think thats fair and I can still get a boat and they still get SOMETHING. WOOHOOO!!!

[luvguins]

No Money for corrupt ACORN. NObama, NoWay

[myebuzzdotcom]

Un f-ing real huh!

[FarFromEquilibrium]

communist Acorn has no right to get tax money no matter what the circumstance.

[doughborne]

Americans need to vote out every lying crooked democrat, that means all democrats out of Office ! Wake up, they are bringing Our Country to Our Knees. Whatever they don't steal, they get paid to protect those ripping US off, take the earnings of Hard Working Americans and give that money to those who think we owe them a living and pocket what is left over. Please help get these democrat crooks out of Our goverment ! Pro Patria doughboy

[Brdstfff]

"vote out every lying crooked democrat that means all democrats out of Office "

Liberals in Canada are exactly the same. They are crooks and only in politics to get rich.

[Cassandrea007]

The DEMS Socialistic/Marxist views of giving and funding organizations that want to force companies to loan money to people who CAN NOT AFFORD a house and there for wrecking the Financial Institutions in our Country.Schumer and Barney Frank should be in Prison along with Franklin.Their so-called BAIL OUT is to give ACORN millions from the profits to CONTINUE this corrupt ideology! Barack Hussein Obama was ACORNS attorney ..He is just as corrupt and they are committing voting fraud!!

[abbeyharry1952]

Interesting-thanks for sharing Bassfooler

[Cassandrea007]

The DEMS Socialistic/Marxist views of giving and funding organizations that want to force companies to loan money to people who CAN NOT AFFORD a house and there for wrecking the Financial Institutions in our Country.Schumer and Barney Frank should be in Prison along with Franklin.Their so-called BAIL OUT is to give ACORN millions from the profits to CONTINUE this corrupt ideology! Barack Hussein Obama was ACORNS attorney ..He is just as corrupt and they are committing voting fraud!!

[Bassfooler]

Agreed

[dunleavym]

Everyone should call their Senators and tell them to vote NO for the bailout as written. The quicker people realize Obama is a slime ball the better. NO NO NO, not my tax money. Cal them now... 800 965 4701

NO WAY, NO HOW, NOBAMA!!!!!!!

McCain Palin 2008

[ugeenbenhemmer]

no bailout for the fatcats

[Vairy1]

Everybody please call!

No Bailout!

Capital switchboard toll free numbers:

800-965-4701

800-828-0498

[Vairy1]

If the Republicans would stand up to the Democrats and this President, they will retake the House. If they cave, then you might as well turn out the lights.

[jdgfanatic]

Listen to this report, now you know why the

DEMS GIVE MONEY to ACORN in the BAILOUT BILL.

That is outrage! When you hear they say, they

are on your side, they work for you.

YOU BETTER HOLD ON YOUR WALLET.

[gerkins1]

If they do that you better vote against anyone that voted for the Bailout.

[jdgfanatic]

The DEMS have enough vote to pass this FATCAT

BAILOUT but they want the Republican in to

share the blame with them. There are some

honor Republicans! But to what I know most of

POLITICTIONS ARE CROOKS!

[gerkins1]

Then vote all the DEMS out in November. I will vote against anyone that voted for this.

We need a UTube Revolution.

[CPAsheldon]

this out of a Fox Business news article:

"a possible segment of the legislation would send 20% of any profits from the rescue plan to an affordable housing fund. Rep. Barney Frank (D, Mass.) ... a portion would go to state and city housing trust funds.

... this part of the proposal included money for ACORN, an affordable-housing group that has been under scrutiny for possible voter fraud, but Frank said, theres no ACORN funding. Thats a total myth.

Who is right?

[jdgfanatic]

The Bush Adm. requested 700million dollars and

the DEMS go along and support it! That make

people want to know WHAT'S INSIDE THAT BILL?

Listen to Harry Reid, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank came out SPINS in-front the camera, just

make me sick. These LIBERAL DEMOCRATS POLITICTIONS are SHAMELESS! They think public

don't know what they did behind the closed door.

[gerkins1]

You need to never vote for BUSH again, and any Republican that votes for this out of office and if we have to go without a President for 4 years so be it. Ron Paul is looking much better these days.

[Bassfooler]

Ron paul is no on the ticket LMAO piss your vote away

[txrottie]

HAHA I love these idiots who spam me...vote for Ron Paul. Dumb asses. I would vote for my dog first since neither one could possibly win.

[gerkins1]

OMG Thanks for letting me know! I just hope Palin doesn't vote for it then; then I can vote for her. After the debate she will be Queen. .... But it's been no bed of roses No pleasure cruise - I consider it a challenge before the whole human race - And I ain't gonna lose - We are the champions - my friends And we'll keep on fighting - till the end - We are the champions - We are the champions No time for losers 'Cause we are the champions - of the world -

[jungletiger160g]

I think Acorn Should be renamed to A - CON people we need to get the Rep. back into power that is the way im voting in Nov. 08 Nobama is not the way to go hes bad for us !!! vote mcain and palin!!!!!!!! A true winning Team the other is just scary Bad we dont need that Nobama no how no way !!!!

[FrankCastlez]

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are simply branch offices of the Democrat Party, and you can see what happens when the Democrats get their hands on something: they destroy it

ACORN and its 150 subsidies are the root of corruption..

[computerpurple]

Acorn should be renamed A-hole.

[moblou]

Damn America, where are our heads. Nobama, no way and no how. McCain/Palin 08 to save "US"!!!

[RosalitaBU8]

PALIN/JINDAL 20012!

[CPAsheldon]

We must insist that the Democrats remove this provision before passage! The Dems want it for more corruption for their friends and to be able to buy more votes for future elections! It is an OUTRAGE!!!

[unett]

I agree 100%. This is sickening and enraging. If Acorn does not get removed there should be riots in D.C.

[emmathird]

CPAsheldon,

Thanks for letting me know about this video. I already knew about ACORN, but it is nice to hear the facts about it are getting out.

NO'Bama!

Change that can destroy us!

It is time to vote the "False Idol" off the show!