Great "3D effect" with that case hitting the camera. I love my PSL, probably the most fun gun I have. Can pick off 12oz cans at 100 yards all day long.
can you do another video, but from a lower angle? and instead of a gun, can you have a really hot, naked girl there? it would be great if you could also include a guy, giving her some surprise butt secs. don't focus on the guy, though. he's just there to provide context.
@patriotim12 Sort of. I'm a lefty, and the only complaint I have is that the cheek rest is obviously meant for a righty. I'll eventually get around to making a lefty version for myself, but it's not really that big a deal shooting with the 'stock' stock.
@roshawn1111 lol i love it when someone confirms my statement then tells me to do my research all i said was most all guns flex. I never said anything more lol.
I own one of these and will assert that it's a great rifle!
Due to it's length and weight it is awkward to shoot off-hand. Also, I wish the magazines were a little bit more common, rather than having to order them from across the country online.
Clearly you are working on speculation... FIRST and foremost this is a PSL NOT a Dragunov (Two completly different systems) A PSL is basically an RPK rechambered for the 7.62x54 with necessary refinements The weapon is still in use by the Romanian Army. It is fielded at squad level and is used by a marksman designated by the squad. Romanian and most prior combloc tactics are TOTALLY different than what is used in the west.. It does EXACTLY what it was designed to do.
Despite all of the comments about barrel whip, the truth remains that the PSL continues to do exactly what it was designed to do: hit a man-sized target at a greater distance and with more knockdown power than possible with standard Romanian small arms. It's not a precision rifle; at best it can be considered a marksman's rifle. It's just not designed to group on a coin at 100yds, though sometimes it can, and if it does you should be more than happy with your PSL. No matter what, it's fun!
and after this video many usa owners went to cut barrel thinking that vibration needs to stop well every gun those this and length of psl barrel is made by engineers not some garage guru by cutting barrel you get less powerful less precise weapon plus you original scope bdc will be useless
@Moldovawineimporter Te juri tu pe viata ta ca romania nu mai foloseste aceste arme? Bai moldoveanule, eu ma tras cu PSL-ul. Vad ca voi aveti ciuda pe romania si incercati cu toate puterile sa spuneti toate cacaturile. Ba ca armele nu-s bune, ba ca pula mea, ba ca pizda lu ma-ta. Bai stii ceva? In armata romana se folosesc aceste arme in fiecare echipa. Stai in pula mea in Moldova aia a ta si nu mai rupe coaiele. PSL este o arma foarte buna, frumoasa, si cu un pret bun.
@Moldovawineimporter You are an american? Ahaha, =)) Ahaha. That's a good joke. So, your hometown is Chisinau, but you are an american. Perhaps you have forgotten your mother tongue, but that's typical for those who go abroad. So, why you said "Romania doesn't even use these anymore now they have U.S and German weapons ."? You were in the romanian army? which is your evidence that this weapon is not good, and it is not used today by the romanian army?
@Gurubashy Yes I am a American you would have know that if you would have researched my You Tube channel completely .
As for Romania using American, German small arms you can find that information all over the internet and see new videos of Romania soilders in Afganistan using M4 .
Try not being an asshole and look for your self first before being and asshole here !
You have got to be a Hungarian or a gypsy to be this stupid !
Romanian people are not this rude or as stupid as you look here.
@Moldovawineimporter m4? in afghanistan? boy, the romanian army use the kalashnikov not the m4. Maybe you saw the romanian special forces wich use the mp5, m4. Could you give me a link for that video you saw with romanian using m4 in afghanistan?
@KINGGOR1992 Bai moldoveanule. Ce stii tu despre calitatea armelor romanesti? ai 18 ani date-n plm. Daca nu suporti Romania atunci sa sugi o ceapa. Mai intai sa pui mana pe o arma romaneasca si dupa aia sa vorbesti. Daca nu stiai, armele romanesti sunt vandute pe plan international, intocmai pentru calitate si pret. Nu aveam ciuda pe voi fratii de pisti prut, dar ma jur ca voi deveniti pe zi ce trece exact ca bozgorii de unguri.
The barrel flexes prior to bullet release. Read "Understanding Firearm Ballistics". Or get a reloading friend to load 20rds in 4rd groups in .5gr powder increments and watch your bullet impacts have a max spread of 6-8in at 100yds... Way more than velocity differences can explain. Viola... A demo of barrel "whip"
Lot of fuckards that don't understand that the bullet is 100 yards down range before the rifle is flexing. ALL rifles flex. ALL. If they didn't, they would fracture all over and break very easily.
@deveans Ok so take what you see here even the receiver is flexing .
Then look at the most accurate rifles have solid receveirs like Bolt guns Remington 700, Winchester 70 ect and such as the old M1Granad - M14 - AR15s and AR10s all have solid reciever that don't flex like what you see here or like a junky AK that will flex from the muzzle to the butt stock upon firing.
Its not hard to see which guns are made to be accurate and to see which guns are just a waist of your money to buy.
I build custom rifles so what I see here is in not way can this gun be cured of the inaccurate problems I see .
I am amazed to see even the receiver flexing that eliminates just changing the barrel to a better quality barrel or shortening the barrel to improve accuracy due you must have a ridged receiver to thread the barrel into .
if someone would like a plinking gun this is OK, but anything more from a gun go buy a real American gun .
@Moldovawineimporter So, if this rifle is only useful for 'plinking,' then why is it still in use by many military units around the world, killing people equipped with 'real American guns?' A gun's utility is not always measured in its ability to shoot sub-MOA groupings on a range.
Get your head out of those war video games that you learned all your information about guns from .
The only people using these guns now are terrorist, insurgents, communist dictators country's and country's that can't buy good modern weapons because thy support terrorist .
Also most U.S Military deaths are from IED's not some terrorist with a communist era weapon .
Romania doesn't even use these anymore now they have U.S and German weapons .
@INTERNETRACECAR What Don't like reading something that is not from a snot noised little Punk kid that plays war video games than comes to You Tube to post B.S that thy are a Weapons expert because they played something called tour of Duty war game ?
You don't have to read anything I post here that is accurate and correct about firearms that I have gained the information through the 50 years of life and 28 years I have worked as hunting guide and custom gun builder .
People can eliminate the "barrel whip" by cutting off 3 to 4 inches of the barrel,i've seen it done and improved accuracy dramatically and i plan on doing it to mine.
This is an excellent example of 'barrel whip'; where the thin barrel flexes quite dramatically, negatively affecting accuracy. It's not that thin barrels can't shoot as accurately as thicker barrels, but anyone that thinks a long barrel automatically equates with accuracy might want to do a bit more research.
@BlankPicketSign This is incorrect. the Romanian PSL is based off of the AK (Kalshnikov long-stroke) gas system, which is the weapon being fired in this video.
The SVD "Dragunov" is based on a completely different method of operation, the short-stroke gas piston. It fires the same 7.62x54r round, but is not the same weapon and does not use the same functionality.
@BlankPicketSign No its not. The SVD is much more mechanically similar to an SKS than the Romanian PSL. This thing comes apart exactly like an AK. An SVD Dragunov is entirely different internally. Completely different construction, gas system, and bolt.
Hijakk is correct. 7.62 NATO has a lower max pressure than .308 does. Old rifles (such as spanish mausers or CETMEs) may encounter problems with the use of .308 winchester. It's the opposite of the discrepancy between 5.56 and .223.
The PSL/FPK is not an adaptation of the Dragunov and the only real similarity is the round it shoots. It is an adaptation of the standard run-of-the-mill AKM with some reinforcements on the receiver shell. Comparing the Dragunov to an AK is pretty unrealistic as they are completely different.
@lorddinaire Doing so with a stock gun would likely be extremely dangerous, please do not attempt this. Not considering chamber pressure difference, 7.62x54mmR uses a 7.92mm bullet, and .308/7.62x51mm uses a 7.82mm bullet
A trained gunsmith *might* be able to make the necessary changes, including changing the barrel out, but it would be expensive, and I wouldn't depend on it.
@hijakk . I get it. Even when the PSL-54 use physically similar ammo to M14, the pressure chamber of PSL is closer to the M76 (AK with 8mm ammo) than the M14..Is that right?
@lorddinaire Looking around quickly, I see that 8mm Mauser has a maximum pressure of ~57,000PSI, 7.62x51 is 60,200PSI, .308 is 62,000PSI, and 7.62x54R is ~57,000 PSI.
I'm not a gunsmith, nor an expert on ammo, but bullet size, supported chamber pressure and case dimensions are all important factors. Also notice that .308 and 7.62x51 aren't the same pressures - you can shoot 7.62x51 from a .308 rifle safely, but not the other way around.
on the .308 vs 7.62x51 issue 2,000 PSI is not that big of a deal, you can shoot .308 in a 7.62x51 spec gun no problem. The PSI of the round can change by 2-3 thousand by just switching primer brands. However shooting heavy loaded big game .308 rounds through 7.62x51 chambered gun might cause problems.
Its like the modern .30-06 in an M1 issue, as long as your not shooting over 150 grain bullets no problems will occur.
on the .308 vs 7.62x51 issue 2,000 PSI is not that big of a deal, you can shoot .308 in a 7.62x51 spec gun no problem. The PSI of the round can change by 2-3 thousand by just switching primer brands. However shooting heavy loaded big game .308 rounds through 7.62x51 chambered gun might cause problems.
Its like the modern .30-06 in an M1 issue, as long as your not shooting over 150 grain bullets no problems will occur.
on the .308 vs 7.62x51 issue 2,000 PSI is not that big of a deal, you can shoot .308 in a 7.62x51 spec gun no problem. The PSI of the round can change by 2-3 thousand by just switching primer brands. However shooting heavy loaded big game .308 rounds through 7.62x51 chambered gun might cause problems.
Its like the modern .30-06 in an M1 issue, as long as your not shooting over 150 grain bullets no problems will occur.
on the .308 vs 7.62x51 issue 2,000 PSI is not that big of a deal, you can shoot .308 in a 7.62x51 spec gun no problem. The PSI of the round can change by 2-3 thousand by just switching primer brands. However shooting heavy loaded big game .308 rounds through 7.62x51 chambered gun might cause problems.
Its like the modern .30-06 in an M1 issue, as long as your not shooting over 150 grain bullets no problems will occur.
@hijakk actually, you can shoot .308 from a 7.62 NATO chambering, not the other way around due to NATO specs on the cartridge being higher. Same with 223 rem and 556 NATO. Sweet vid btw.
@reaperpaintball08 You sure? 7.62 NATO is a slightly shorter, thicker walled case. I've seen a number of examples of civilian .308 not spacing correctly in a weapon chambered for 7.62 NATO and causing OOB kabooms where the unsupported, thinner case breaches. NATO in .308 is fine. I have a picture of a 7.62 NATO Spanish Mauser that got screwed up by a .308 round if you want.
From what I've heard, 5.56 is sometimes rated at a slightly higher pressure than .223, it isn't enough to matter generally.
@hijakk yeah, because NATO spec ammo is higher pressure than .308 spec ammo and any weapon specifically chambered for a .308 isnt made for the higher NATO spec pressures. Its all good, I just like to shoot guns and the psl is freakin sweet.
Hijakk is correct. 7.62 NATO has a lower max pressure than .308 does. Old rifles (such as spanish mausers or CETMEs) may encounter problems with the use of .308 winchester. It's the opposite of the discrepancy between 5.56 and .223.
You're really cool man, you're obviously very knowledgeable when it comes to guns! I have a question about the Romanian PSL-54C (I'm assuming you got the fully Romanian model, no U.S. Reciever). I'm going to purchase one by the end of the month from J&G Sales.
On the site, it says that the muzzle is "spot-wielded," what I'm wondering is, can a dremel take care of the spot wielding and would it still be removable (and replaceable by another type of muzzle) afterwards?
@SKoGoMoney Of course you can't be sure until you see it, but spot welded usually means there are threads underneath the muzzle device, yes. Very carefully dremeling that weld should free the muzzle device up.
Before you start swapping out parts, though, please be aware of 18 USC 922(r) - removing a "permanently attached" muzzle device will remove the sporting status from the PSL, meaning you'd need no more than 10 total foreign made parts on the gun.
Does that much barrel flex affect accuracy very much? Obviously this wasn't designed to match an m24, but it makes me cringe to see it move like that!
@s11033 It isn't the super sub-MOA accurate like the modern US sniper rifles are intended to be, even with match ammo, but it is accurate enough to serve its purpose as a DMR rifle.
As other commenter have pointed out, the flex is happening after the round has already left the barrel, so it shouldn't be an impact on the accuracy of a given shot.
@hijakk Mine is sub-moa with match ammo. Try .311 174 grain seirra match kings(loaded light, as the psl can't handle high pressures). Or the .311 150 grain hornady SST.
@comblocarms oh ok thanks for clearing that up for me, i wanted a ar-10 in .308 but they seem to have some problems so i think i going back to my original choice's a psl and a savage 10 fcp-k. i have not heard many bad things about the psl, do you or anyone know of things i should look for when buying one. i've heard not to shoot heavy ammo b/c it will crack the reciever is this true? and what size groups do they get on average at 100M ? if its around 1.5inch's i will be very happy
@akshooter762 If you fire heavy ball, which is a heavy projectile moving fast(its ok if it moves slow), it will wear on your rear trunnion and ruin your receiver. The PSL's are hit or miss with quality, if you want to guarantee a good rifle, buy a kit and have someone build it for you. always inspect the rifle before you buy it, so much to inspect.... Mine does sub-moa groups with handloads, and MOA groups with surplus.
I own a PSL, and I want to sell it. I've never sold anything before, does anyone have advice on what I should do? Could I sell it where I bought it at; a gun show? From what I hear hear, the store Gander Mountain is like a pawn show at best, it's just that I want to get rid of it, and perhaps find a more modest firearm.
@DontBeAfraidToCare First, and this should be obvious, I am not a lawyer, nor am I ATF, etc.
You can definitely sell at a gun show, just be sure to follow their rules for selling as a private party. If you're selling to another private party, just make sure they're from the same state as you. If you sell to an FFL, they should be able to tell you what to do.
Also look for local shooting forums for your area, get involved and see if they have classifieds.
Outstanding video!! THe floating brass is sweet too. Judging by the flex and crooked recoil (just like the AK), it's safe to say this squad designated marksman rifle (not a sniper rifle) is not meant for quick follow up shots. Be nice to compare this doing the same thing with a real SVD "Dragunov" rifle.
What is better, the PSL, or the M76 (Serbian Draggy). And why is it better?
I was looking at them, and Wikipedia said that the PSL's mass effective range is 3 kilometers, but I doubt this since the Dragunov's is only 800m, and the M76 is only 800+ (800-1000)m.
Dude the yugoslavian j30 182 grain stuff has a monster ballistic coefficient and sheds energy very slowly - good thump at long range. 7n1 is priced out of this world if it is available at all. The heavy yugo ball is nasty accurate in my mosin-nagant sniper. (Zeroed @ 500 yards).
Great shots of barrel flex. I know all barrels flex, but I can see why some people experience wider groups as the barrel gets hot. It's perfectly suited for its mission though as it is not meant to suppress with volume, but with accuracy. I want one. . .
And no, shooting heavier loads wouldn't immediately cause a catastrophic failure, or even damage to the rear trunnion, but shooting a whole case of heavy ball wouldn't be a good idea in a rifle you cared about.
7.62x54r is what I meant, thank you. So from the responses that I have been receiving, if 200 grain is overkill, which sucks seeing how much was given to me for nothing, what would you recommend for some good long distance accuracy. Also, have you heard anything negative about the scope that comes with them. I haven't had much time to "zero" it in? And thank you for your comments, much appreciated.
I'm not a fantastic shot, but I've gotten decent accuracy with the light ball surplus stuff you get for about $80 a can of 440.
I hear the Soviet 7N1 ammo is the stuff to get if you want to squeeze as much accuracy as you can out of the rifle.
Mine came pretty close to zero, I haven't been bothered to tweak it. The mounting system is supposed to maintain zero pretty well when removing/reattaching the scope, and it is pretty good for what it is.
200 grain and even 180 grain drops off quickly, that 140 and 150ish grain spam can stuff is a lot more accurate out of this gun. The mosin nagant is what that 200 grain stuff works well in.
Next time we'll hopefully get the range that faces the other way, or we'll be there in the afternoon. Figured the side with the ejection was more interesting, even shadowed a bit.
True a huge chunk of steel ( bolt carrier ) slamming rear ward probably doesn't help. I think the only real fix is a stiffer recoil spring perhaps and a thicker barrel.... but this isn't a bench rest guns so I am not loosing any sleep over it.
it shouldn't be too big of a deal when the bolt hits the rear of the receiver as the bullet has already left the barrel at that point. It looks like the beefy receiver on the psl actually does a pretty good job, the barrel on the other hand could use some work.
oh, if you are talking about a short stroke gas system(like SVD), it means that the gas rod bearly moves back and mostly hits the bolt and causes it to cycle. Meaning less overall inertia from parts moving. A PSL would require much modification past a spring or buffer to make it short stroke, well you can easily make it shorter stroke with a buffer and spring though.
The only reason I've seen buffers in a PSL is for the heavier ammo. I know a guy who shoots 168 grain match loads through it, and he says the buffer is worth it. Anything over 168 no one should put in a psl even wtih buffer.
Actually not cool at all very very bad and highly inaccurate...reason to have a bull barrel like on a M70 sniper rifle or Remington 700 BULL BARREL so not to flex ...
This is true but then your rifle weighs more... but then one would argue whats the point of having a light weight rifle if you can't hit anything with it.
Great "3D effect" with that case hitting the camera. I love my PSL, probably the most fun gun I have. Can pick off 12oz cans at 100 yards all day long.
jonindenver 3 weeks ago
can you do another video, but from a lower angle? and instead of a gun, can you have a really hot, naked girl there? it would be great if you could also include a guy, giving her some surprise butt secs. don't focus on the guy, though. he's just there to provide context.
leloodallasmultipass 2 months ago
@leloodallasmultipass Somehow I feel like that would be a slightly different video
hijakk 2 months ago 6
@hijakk when do you think you will have it up?
leloodallasmultipass 2 months ago
Is this gun left handed friendly?
patriotim12 4 months ago
@patriotim12 Sort of. I'm a lefty, and the only complaint I have is that the cheek rest is obviously meant for a righty. I'll eventually get around to making a lefty version for myself, but it's not really that big a deal shooting with the 'stock' stock.
MacClay8 3 months ago
@MacClay8 Thanks.
patriotim12 3 months ago
now you understand why target rifles have heavy barrels and bedded stocks.
dahondaguy 4 months ago
that first casing, 1 out of a million shot. unless your firing full auto barrel flex doesnt matter... now heat warp? i wonder??
ViolentEncounter 5 months ago
lol that guy ate that scope repeatedly.
cmhfender 5 months ago
The PSL is a great weapon.And This only proves that my PSL is more flexable than other rifles!
rover5700 5 months ago
Most people don't realize that the barrel flex's after the round has already left the chamber
Doober987 6 months ago
I was wondering if that shell was gonna hit the camera... and behold it did. RIP camera man
Lawlz1210 7 months ago
great vid. Can you do another just showing the barrel and then just the receiver area. thks
dpmsdealer 8 months ago
@dpmsdealer Unfortunately I sold the PSL a couple months ago
hijakk 8 months ago
@hijakk why'd you sell it butthole?
docstruthers 6 months ago
@hijakk NEVER sell a PSL unless you are desperate for money
rollthelosingdice 4 months ago
@hijakk why did you sell it.. was there a technical problem or was it for the money..
jasttim 4 months ago
@jasttim No problems, just didn't have anywhere convenient to shoot it and I wanted to switch things up a bit.
hijakk 4 months ago
um the freaking barrel was wiggleing
popdognine 8 months ago
i love FPKs (or PSLs, wtf/e) one thought though: did no one notice/ check that the camera was getting hit by the brass?
dontVote4Brooks 8 months ago
barrel is flexing up and down
psifactor12 9 months ago
@psifactor12 most all aks do that
roshawn1111 9 months ago
@roshawn1111 most all guns do that.
michaelofnewbabylon 6 months ago
@michaelofnewbabylon you should do more research most guns do not flex AS much as the ak family does
roshawn1111 6 months ago
@roshawn1111 lol i love it when someone confirms my statement then tells me to do my research all i said was most all guns flex. I never said anything more lol.
michaelofnewbabylon 6 months ago
@michaelofnewbabylon LMFAO opps miss read it
roshawn1111 6 months ago
I own one of these and will assert that it's a great rifle!
Due to it's length and weight it is awkward to shoot off-hand. Also, I wish the magazines were a little bit more common, rather than having to order them from across the country online.
boardfu 10 months ago
Clearly you are working on speculation... FIRST and foremost this is a PSL NOT a Dragunov (Two completly different systems) A PSL is basically an RPK rechambered for the 7.62x54 with necessary refinements The weapon is still in use by the Romanian Army. It is fielded at squad level and is used by a marksman designated by the squad. Romanian and most prior combloc tactics are TOTALLY different than what is used in the west.. It does EXACTLY what it was designed to do.
stringfellow1221 10 months ago
Despite all of the comments about barrel whip, the truth remains that the PSL continues to do exactly what it was designed to do: hit a man-sized target at a greater distance and with more knockdown power than possible with standard Romanian small arms. It's not a precision rifle; at best it can be considered a marksman's rifle. It's just not designed to group on a coin at 100yds, though sometimes it can, and if it does you should be more than happy with your PSL. No matter what, it's fun!
wysoft 11 months ago 18
@wysoft agreed!!! i love the PSL "dragunov" rifle i dont care what people say because ill put em up to the range and test the factors!
wolvenblacktalon1 4 months ago
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sonne0ne 11 months ago
and after this video many usa owners went to cut barrel thinking that vibration needs to stop well every gun those this and length of psl barrel is made by engineers not some garage guru by cutting barrel you get less powerful less precise weapon plus you original scope bdc will be useless
sonne0ne 11 months ago
look at the barrel
MrPrivatetv1 1 year ago
@Moldovawineimporter Te juri tu pe viata ta ca romania nu mai foloseste aceste arme? Bai moldoveanule, eu ma tras cu PSL-ul. Vad ca voi aveti ciuda pe romania si incercati cu toate puterile sa spuneti toate cacaturile. Ba ca armele nu-s bune, ba ca pula mea, ba ca pizda lu ma-ta. Bai stii ceva? In armata romana se folosesc aceste arme in fiecare echipa. Stai in pula mea in Moldova aia a ta si nu mai rupe coaiele. PSL este o arma foarte buna, frumoasa, si cu un pret bun.
Gurubashy 1 year ago
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Moldovawineimporter 11 months ago
@Moldovawineimporter You are an american? Ahaha, =)) Ahaha. That's a good joke. So, your hometown is Chisinau, but you are an american. Perhaps you have forgotten your mother tongue, but that's typical for those who go abroad. So, why you said "Romania doesn't even use these anymore now they have U.S and German weapons ."? You were in the romanian army? which is your evidence that this weapon is not good, and it is not used today by the romanian army?
Gurubashy 11 months ago
@Gurubashy Yes I am a American you would have know that if you would have researched my You Tube channel completely .
As for Romania using American, German small arms you can find that information all over the internet and see new videos of Romania soilders in Afganistan using M4 .
Try not being an asshole and look for your self first before being and asshole here !
You have got to be a Hungarian or a gypsy to be this stupid !
Romanian people are not this rude or as stupid as you look here.
Moldovawineimporter 11 months ago
@Moldovawineimporter m4? in afghanistan? boy, the romanian army use the kalashnikov not the m4. Maybe you saw the romanian special forces wich use the mp5, m4. Could you give me a link for that video you saw with romanian using m4 in afghanistan?
Gurubashy 11 months ago
@Gurubashy You again looking to start trouble get lost and look for your self or go to Romania like I do every summer .
Moldovawineimporter 11 months ago
@KINGGOR1992 Bai moldoveanule. Ce stii tu despre calitatea armelor romanesti? ai 18 ani date-n plm. Daca nu suporti Romania atunci sa sugi o ceapa. Mai intai sa pui mana pe o arma romaneasca si dupa aia sa vorbesti. Daca nu stiai, armele romanesti sunt vandute pe plan international, intocmai pentru calitate si pret. Nu aveam ciuda pe voi fratii de pisti prut, dar ma jur ca voi deveniti pe zi ce trece exact ca bozgorii de unguri.
Gurubashy 1 year ago
@762Fanatic
The barrel flexes prior to bullet release. Read "Understanding Firearm Ballistics". Or get a reloading friend to load 20rds in 4rd groups in .5gr powder increments and watch your bullet impacts have a max spread of 6-8in at 100yds... Way more than velocity differences can explain. Viola... A demo of barrel "whip"
pyrewyrm 1 year ago
Wow look at the whip in that barrel!
ammosmith 1 year ago
LOL at the first round!!
stnls1911 1 year ago 17
@stnls1911 3D effect >:D
CrocoDuck420 2 months ago
Shit Romanian copy this from russian !
But russian qualiti is most good !
But romanian ,bulgarian ,chines & all those copy russian weapon,
It should work more on quality
Especially romania !!!
KINGIGOR1992 1 year ago
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@KINGIGOR1992 fuck off you stupid bastard ...
MDNRo 1 year ago 3
Note the flexing is AFTER the round leaves the barrel.
KrigareavGud 1 year ago
too bad its not in 3D
o_O
TheRJMortimer 1 year ago
Notice the barrel doesn't flex until the gas is redirected out of the compensator..
762Fanatic 1 year ago
Lot of fuckards that don't understand that the bullet is 100 yards down range before the rifle is flexing. ALL rifles flex. ALL. If they didn't, they would fracture all over and break very easily.
Even the .50BMG barrels flex.
762Fanatic 1 year ago
@762Fanatic
thanks for that comment, i've been shooting for years and never knew this, and it makes sense that all guns would flex.
deveans 1 year ago
@deveans Ok so take what you see here even the receiver is flexing .
Then look at the most accurate rifles have solid receveirs like Bolt guns Remington 700, Winchester 70 ect and such as the old M1Granad - M14 - AR15s and AR10s all have solid reciever that don't flex like what you see here or like a junky AK that will flex from the muzzle to the butt stock upon firing.
Its not hard to see which guns are made to be accurate and to see which guns are just a waist of your money to buy.
Moldovawineimporter 11 months ago
loll
barbelotta 1 year ago
I build custom rifles so what I see here is in not way can this gun be cured of the inaccurate problems I see .
I am amazed to see even the receiver flexing that eliminates just changing the barrel to a better quality barrel or shortening the barrel to improve accuracy due you must have a ridged receiver to thread the barrel into .
if someone would like a plinking gun this is OK, but anything more from a gun go buy a real American gun .
Moldovawineimporter 1 year ago
@Moldovawineimporter Yes. Because every American gun is absolutely perfect..
mopar43v3r 1 year ago
@Moldovawineimporter So, if this rifle is only useful for 'plinking,' then why is it still in use by many military units around the world, killing people equipped with 'real American guns?' A gun's utility is not always measured in its ability to shoot sub-MOA groupings on a range.
TYSONXIII 1 year ago
@TYSONXIII Your a moron and uneducated idiot !
Get your head out of those war video games that you learned all your information about guns from .
The only people using these guns now are terrorist, insurgents, communist dictators country's and country's that can't buy good modern weapons because thy support terrorist .
Also most U.S Military deaths are from IED's not some terrorist with a communist era weapon .
Romania doesn't even use these anymore now they have U.S and German weapons .
Moldovawineimporter 1 year ago
@Moldovawineimporter stop posting, just halt all posts everywhere and never post again
INTERNETRACECAR 1 year ago
@INTERNETRACECAR What Don't like reading something that is not from a snot noised little Punk kid that plays war video games than comes to You Tube to post B.S that thy are a Weapons expert because they played something called tour of Duty war game ?
You don't have to read anything I post here that is accurate and correct about firearms that I have gained the information through the 50 years of life and 28 years I have worked as hunting guide and custom gun builder .
Moldovawineimporter 1 year ago
@Moldovawineimporter The internet is serious business...
zzyzxxzzyzxx 1 year ago
People can eliminate the "barrel whip" by cutting off 3 to 4 inches of the barrel,i've seen it done and improved accuracy dramatically and i plan on doing it to mine.
RantinAndRavin 1 year ago
This is an excellent example of 'barrel whip'; where the thin barrel flexes quite dramatically, negatively affecting accuracy. It's not that thin barrels can't shoot as accurately as thicker barrels, but anyone that thinks a long barrel automatically equates with accuracy might want to do a bit more research.
granicus1963 1 year ago
nice casing ejection accuracy on that first on
tdryan242 1 year ago
Even more awesome if it was 3D ;D
MaartenOwnd 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign make a search on youtube ... " what is a Romanian PSL?"
Gurubashy 1 year ago
Wow..!!!
Look at that barrel flex..!
It's really interesting to see what actually happens like this.
shawnmlynch 1 year ago 2
i like how the first shell hit the camera lol
DannyBoy918913 1 year ago
a longer ak 47 with scope.
Gurubashy 1 year ago
Cant decide between this or a 76 monte carlo!!!lol
KLove3232 1 year ago
this is not dragunov, is a Ak 47 modify
0puest0 1 year ago
@0puest0
¬_¬
The Dragunov SVD is based on the AK-47 in design.
Functionally they are the same, but they are two different guns
This is a Dragunov, maybe not a Russian Original, as it is a Romanian model.
But just like the AK-47, no matter what country you get it from, it is conceptually the same gun.
This is an SVD =^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign This is incorrect. the Romanian PSL is based off of the AK (Kalshnikov long-stroke) gas system, which is the weapon being fired in this video.
The SVD "Dragunov" is based on a completely different method of operation, the short-stroke gas piston. It fires the same 7.62x54r round, but is not the same weapon and does not use the same functionality.
ResolvingChaos 1 year ago
@ResolvingChaos
Fascinating... I must learn more!
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign No its not. The SVD is much more mechanically similar to an SKS than the Romanian PSL. This thing comes apart exactly like an AK. An SVD Dragunov is entirely different internally. Completely different construction, gas system, and bolt.
KyleP133 1 year ago
@KyleP133
DAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
I want an SVD even MORE now =^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
Hijakk is correct. 7.62 NATO has a lower max pressure than .308 does. Old rifles (such as spanish mausers or CETMEs) may encounter problems with the use of .308 winchester. It's the opposite of the discrepancy between 5.56 and .223.
asdfasdffdsafasdfsda 1 year ago
Cool!
BansheeArms 1 year ago
The PSL/FPK is not an adaptation of the Dragunov and the only real similarity is the round it shoots. It is an adaptation of the standard run-of-the-mill AKM with some reinforcements on the receiver shell. Comparing the Dragunov to an AK is pretty unrealistic as they are completely different.
biffjorgensen 1 year ago
LOL that first shell ejection was hilarious
Resolveo4 1 year ago
can you say flex
icanttailwhip 1 year ago
ahh man. I was really interested in one of these but the barrel is just not heavy enough or not made out of good enough material.
The barrel flexes way to much AND if the barrel wasn't even hot in the filming then it would just flex even more once it got hotter.
To bad. I love how these look and the price can't be beat vs a Draganov or Tigr
docstruthers 1 year ago
Hi. I Bought one last week. Do you know if you can use/adapt 762x51(308) in case of the original ammo disappears?. Thanks...
lorddinaire 1 year ago
@lorddinaire Doing so with a stock gun would likely be extremely dangerous, please do not attempt this. Not considering chamber pressure difference, 7.62x54mmR uses a 7.92mm bullet, and .308/7.62x51mm uses a 7.82mm bullet
A trained gunsmith *might* be able to make the necessary changes, including changing the barrel out, but it would be expensive, and I wouldn't depend on it.
hijakk 1 year ago
@hijakk . I get it. Even when the PSL-54 use physically similar ammo to M14, the pressure chamber of PSL is closer to the M76 (AK with 8mm ammo) than the M14..Is that right?
lorddinaire 1 year ago
@lorddinaire Looking around quickly, I see that 8mm Mauser has a maximum pressure of ~57,000PSI, 7.62x51 is 60,200PSI, .308 is 62,000PSI, and 7.62x54R is ~57,000 PSI.
I'm not a gunsmith, nor an expert on ammo, but bullet size, supported chamber pressure and case dimensions are all important factors. Also notice that .308 and 7.62x51 aren't the same pressures - you can shoot 7.62x51 from a .308 rifle safely, but not the other way around.
hijakk 1 year ago
@hijakk
on the .308 vs 7.62x51 issue 2,000 PSI is not that big of a deal, you can shoot .308 in a 7.62x51 spec gun no problem. The PSI of the round can change by 2-3 thousand by just switching primer brands. However shooting heavy loaded big game .308 rounds through 7.62x51 chambered gun might cause problems.
Its like the modern .30-06 in an M1 issue, as long as your not shooting over 150 grain bullets no problems will occur.
nick122344 1 year ago
@hijakk
on the .308 vs 7.62x51 issue 2,000 PSI is not that big of a deal, you can shoot .308 in a 7.62x51 spec gun no problem. The PSI of the round can change by 2-3 thousand by just switching primer brands. However shooting heavy loaded big game .308 rounds through 7.62x51 chambered gun might cause problems.
Its like the modern .30-06 in an M1 issue, as long as your not shooting over 150 grain bullets no problems will occur.
nick122344 1 year ago
@hijakk
on the .308 vs 7.62x51 issue 2,000 PSI is not that big of a deal, you can shoot .308 in a 7.62x51 spec gun no problem. The PSI of the round can change by 2-3 thousand by just switching primer brands. However shooting heavy loaded big game .308 rounds through 7.62x51 chambered gun might cause problems.
Its like the modern .30-06 in an M1 issue, as long as your not shooting over 150 grain bullets no problems will occur.
nick122344 1 year ago
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@hijakk
on the .308 vs 7.62x51 issue 2,000 PSI is not that big of a deal, you can shoot .308 in a 7.62x51 spec gun no problem. The PSI of the round can change by 2-3 thousand by just switching primer brands. However shooting heavy loaded big game .308 rounds through 7.62x51 chambered gun might cause problems.
Its like the modern .30-06 in an M1 issue, as long as your not shooting over 150 grain bullets no problems will occur.
nick122344 1 year ago
@hijakk actually, you can shoot .308 from a 7.62 NATO chambering, not the other way around due to NATO specs on the cartridge being higher. Same with 223 rem and 556 NATO. Sweet vid btw.
reaperpaintball08 1 year ago
@reaperpaintball08 You sure? 7.62 NATO is a slightly shorter, thicker walled case. I've seen a number of examples of civilian .308 not spacing correctly in a weapon chambered for 7.62 NATO and causing OOB kabooms where the unsupported, thinner case breaches. NATO in .308 is fine. I have a picture of a 7.62 NATO Spanish Mauser that got screwed up by a .308 round if you want.
From what I've heard, 5.56 is sometimes rated at a slightly higher pressure than .223, it isn't enough to matter generally.
hijakk 1 year ago
@hijakk yeah, because NATO spec ammo is higher pressure than .308 spec ammo and any weapon specifically chambered for a .308 isnt made for the higher NATO spec pressures. Its all good, I just like to shoot guns and the psl is freakin sweet.
reaperpaintball08 1 year ago
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Hijakk is correct. 7.62 NATO has a lower max pressure than .308 does. Old rifles (such as spanish mausers or CETMEs) may encounter problems with the use of .308 winchester. It's the opposite of the discrepancy between 5.56 and .223.
asdfasdffdsafasdfsda 1 year ago
@hijakk
You're really cool man, you're obviously very knowledgeable when it comes to guns! I have a question about the Romanian PSL-54C (I'm assuming you got the fully Romanian model, no U.S. Reciever). I'm going to purchase one by the end of the month from J&G Sales.
On the site, it says that the muzzle is "spot-wielded," what I'm wondering is, can a dremel take care of the spot wielding and would it still be removable (and replaceable by another type of muzzle) afterwards?
SKoGoMoney 1 year ago
@SKoGoMoney Of course you can't be sure until you see it, but spot welded usually means there are threads underneath the muzzle device, yes. Very carefully dremeling that weld should free the muzzle device up.
Before you start swapping out parts, though, please be aware of 18 USC 922(r) - removing a "permanently attached" muzzle device will remove the sporting status from the PSL, meaning you'd need no more than 10 total foreign made parts on the gun.
hijakk 1 year ago
That has crazy kick!! What grain are your bullets? they might be to heavy.
Those scopes are "fragile" for lack of a better word.
Heavy bullets can damage and break those scopes.
GOD I can't wait to get mine. In cali of all places too. haha
GREAT video.
docstruthers 1 year ago
I think that that barrel flex is because of muzzle brake so it not affect accuracy ... just my 2 cents
ww2footage 1 year ago
Does that much barrel flex affect accuracy very much? Obviously this wasn't designed to match an m24, but it makes me cringe to see it move like that!
s11033 1 year ago
@s11033 It isn't the super sub-MOA accurate like the modern US sniper rifles are intended to be, even with match ammo, but it is accurate enough to serve its purpose as a DMR rifle.
As other commenter have pointed out, the flex is happening after the round has already left the barrel, so it shouldn't be an impact on the accuracy of a given shot.
hijakk 1 year ago
@hijakk Mine is sub-moa with match ammo. Try .311 174 grain seirra match kings(loaded light, as the psl can't handle high pressures). Or the .311 150 grain hornady SST.
comblocarms 1 year ago
@comblocarms why cant it handle the hornagyy SST?
akshooter762 1 year ago
@akshooter762 I meant "Or use the .311 150 grain SST". The PSL can handle that bullet loaded at standard velocities.
comblocarms 1 year ago
@comblocarms oh ok thanks for clearing that up for me, i wanted a ar-10 in .308 but they seem to have some problems so i think i going back to my original choice's a psl and a savage 10 fcp-k. i have not heard many bad things about the psl, do you or anyone know of things i should look for when buying one. i've heard not to shoot heavy ammo b/c it will crack the reciever is this true? and what size groups do they get on average at 100M ? if its around 1.5inch's i will be very happy
akshooter762 1 year ago
@akshooter762 If you fire heavy ball, which is a heavy projectile moving fast(its ok if it moves slow), it will wear on your rear trunnion and ruin your receiver. The PSL's are hit or miss with quality, if you want to guarantee a good rifle, buy a kit and have someone build it for you. always inspect the rifle before you buy it, so much to inspect.... Mine does sub-moa groups with handloads, and MOA groups with surplus.
comblocarms 1 year ago
I own a PSL, and I want to sell it. I've never sold anything before, does anyone have advice on what I should do? Could I sell it where I bought it at; a gun show? From what I hear hear, the store Gander Mountain is like a pawn show at best, it's just that I want to get rid of it, and perhaps find a more modest firearm.
DontBeAfraidToCare 1 year ago
@DontBeAfraidToCare First, and this should be obvious, I am not a lawyer, nor am I ATF, etc.
You can definitely sell at a gun show, just be sure to follow their rules for selling as a private party. If you're selling to another private party, just make sure they're from the same state as you. If you sell to an FFL, they should be able to tell you what to do.
Also look for local shooting forums for your area, get involved and see if they have classifieds.
hijakk 1 year ago
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if you still have it i'm interested! let me know if you want to sell it and how much. send me some more info and pictures to temausa@hotmail.com
05FlameRedSRT4 1 year ago
The 54r for machine guns will tear these rifles up. Best to get 7n1 or a lighter charged round if available.
skype7891 1 year ago
cool
TheMillrat 1 year ago
Outstanding video!! THe floating brass is sweet too. Judging by the flex and crooked recoil (just like the AK), it's safe to say this squad designated marksman rifle (not a sniper rifle) is not meant for quick follow up shots. Be nice to compare this doing the same thing with a real SVD "Dragunov" rifle.
flamengishta 1 year ago
nice 1st shell case! Flexes like an AK...wow
wavelength1970 1 year ago
nice! the first round was amazing!
smarzotais 1 year ago
See the barrel is flexing up and down
psifactor12 1 year ago
What is better, the PSL, or the M76 (Serbian Draggy). And why is it better?
I was looking at them, and Wikipedia said that the PSL's mass effective range is 3 kilometers, but I doubt this since the Dragunov's is only 800m, and the M76 is only 800+ (800-1000)m.
n1b3luNg 1 year ago
Dude the yugoslavian j30 182 grain stuff has a monster ballistic coefficient and sheds energy very slowly - good thump at long range. 7n1 is priced out of this world if it is available at all. The heavy yugo ball is nasty accurate in my mosin-nagant sniper. (Zeroed @ 500 yards).
1000meterstare 1 year ago
Great shots of barrel flex. I know all barrels flex, but I can see why some people experience wider groups as the barrel gets hot. It's perfectly suited for its mission though as it is not meant to suppress with volume, but with accuracy. I want one. . .
dobravery 2 years ago
Oh man I LOL'ed so damn hard at that casing hitting the camera. You just can't plan something like that.
caspiansm 2 years ago
What video camera are you using. I have tried similar shots but can't get the same frame rate.
dora9a 2 years ago
Taken with a Casio EX-F1 camera.
hijakk 2 years ago
@hijakk how does it feel shooting it lefty? do you get a good scope picture?
Gunluver1 1 year ago
@Gunluver1 I'm not the shooter here, but he didn't report any problems. In fact he is considering getting one of his own.
hijakk 1 year ago
You should find a WWII Tokarev SVT 40 & compare this rifle ti it . My made in 1949 version shoots nearly as well with some of the better ammo .
bigdubbatoo 2 years ago
I actually picked up an SVT 40 earlier this month, but I haven't had a chance to take it out yet.
hijakk 2 years ago
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ADDCAPP1 2 years ago
7.62x54R?
And no, shooting heavier loads wouldn't immediately cause a catastrophic failure, or even damage to the rear trunnion, but shooting a whole case of heavy ball wouldn't be a good idea in a rifle you cared about.
hijakk 2 years ago
7.62x54r is what I meant, thank you. So from the responses that I have been receiving, if 200 grain is overkill, which sucks seeing how much was given to me for nothing, what would you recommend for some good long distance accuracy. Also, have you heard anything negative about the scope that comes with them. I haven't had much time to "zero" it in? And thank you for your comments, much appreciated.
ADDCAPP1 2 years ago
I'm not a fantastic shot, but I've gotten decent accuracy with the light ball surplus stuff you get for about $80 a can of 440.
I hear the Soviet 7N1 ammo is the stuff to get if you want to squeeze as much accuracy as you can out of the rifle.
Mine came pretty close to zero, I haven't been bothered to tweak it. The mounting system is supposed to maintain zero pretty well when removing/reattaching the scope, and it is pretty good for what it is.
Have fun with it!
hijakk 2 years ago
200 grain and even 180 grain drops off quickly, that 140 and 150ish grain spam can stuff is a lot more accurate out of this gun. The mosin nagant is what that 200 grain stuff works well in.
whiteknightef 1 year ago
0:15-ouch!
k7z7 2 years ago
at 1:27 the casing is kinda cool looking
ccsniper 2 years ago
Wow, look at the twang that noodle barrel does!
SADiamond1 2 years ago
Very Acurate with Bulgarian Ammo.
Hit the bulls eye over and over at
100 Yards
rugerp95mx 2 years ago
Great video. Thanks for posting it!
Radionicist 2 years ago
I really wish you were filming the other side of the rifle because it looks like it would have been illuminated better by the sun...
OCofthe3 2 years ago
Next time we'll hopefully get the range that faces the other way, or we'll be there in the afternoon. Figured the side with the ejection was more interesting, even shadowed a bit.
hijakk 2 years ago
Wow that whole gun is flexing like a Arrow in flight!
CBAsystems 2 years ago
All guns flex, including a .50 BMG. By the time there is any flex, the round is lonnnng gone. Scopes are made to flex or else they'd crack.
drewd1987 2 years ago
Guess never thought of that...Scopes actually flex? what about the glass lenses...if they flex they would crack the glass eved on Luepolds.
deltaalpha21074 2 years ago
Negative, if they didn't flex they would crack look here:
watch?v=s5pVya7eask
drewd1987 2 years ago
Bull Barrels flex less I am sure!
deltaalpha21074 2 years ago
the scope did not flex, the rubber eye piece was the one that flexed and it's only attached as a guide for correct eye relief.
adrianrubi 2 years ago
look at how much it shakes around
citizenschools 2 years ago
very impress video
zhi1793 2 years ago
Look how much the barrel flexs wow cool.
Dietzeeeee 2 years ago 8
I but the piston system and the and stamped receiver do not help the barrel when it comes to stiffness.
swedishvolvo 2 years ago
True a huge chunk of steel ( bolt carrier ) slamming rear ward probably doesn't help. I think the only real fix is a stiffer recoil spring perhaps and a thicker barrel.... but this isn't a bench rest guns so I am not loosing any sleep over it.
Dietzeeeee 2 years ago
it shouldn't be too big of a deal when the bolt hits the rear of the receiver as the bullet has already left the barrel at that point. It looks like the beefy receiver on the psl actually does a pretty good job, the barrel on the other hand could use some work.
OCofthe3 2 years ago
with stiffer spring or buffer you would short stroke.
cbr6864 2 years ago
what are you talking about?
thecombatmaster 2 years ago
it was a reply to someone who siad put a stiffer spring in
cbr6864 2 years ago
oh, if you are talking about a short stroke gas system(like SVD), it means that the gas rod bearly moves back and mostly hits the bolt and causes it to cycle. Meaning less overall inertia from parts moving. A PSL would require much modification past a spring or buffer to make it short stroke, well you can easily make it shorter stroke with a buffer and spring though.
thecombatmaster 2 years ago
i meant was if you put a stiffer spring or a buffer in, it will cause it to miss fire/ short stroke
someone suggested putting stiffer spring in to help with recoil
cbr6864 2 years ago
oh ok thanks. I was about to put a buffer in mine, someone elsej ust told me the same thing.
thecombatmaster 2 years ago
same here everyone i know has had problems with them. sure the bolt slams back hard but its an AK it can take it
cbr6864 2 years ago
The only reason I've seen buffers in a PSL is for the heavier ammo. I know a guy who shoots 168 grain match loads through it, and he says the buffer is worth it. Anything over 168 no one should put in a psl even wtih buffer.
thecombatmaster 2 years ago
Actually not cool at all very very bad and highly inaccurate...reason to have a bull barrel like on a M70 sniper rifle or Remington 700 BULL BARREL so not to flex ...
CBAsystems 2 years ago
This is true but then your rifle weighs more... but then one would argue whats the point of having a light weight rifle if you can't hit anything with it.
Dietzeeeee 2 years ago
Thanks to companies like Eagle Industries and of course or other Soft case companies..Snipers carry Rifle protected and on back like napsack.
CBAsystems 2 years ago
PSL's aren't highly inaccurate. They shoot as good as alot of hunting rifles with good ammunition.
mahnameiswin 2 years ago
I noticed you mentioned the Mosin Nagant... so is this PSL chambered in x54R or x51 NATO?
I've seen both... just wondering.
mutez0r 2 years ago
This is in x54R.
hijakk 2 years ago
NICE Vid
b2flyer1 2 years ago
all psl are 7.62x54r
pedrothemarine 2 years ago
pedrothemarine : I saw one PSL last week at a local gun shop,chambered for 8MM Mauser.Made in Yuogoslavia
b2flyer1 2 years ago
That'll be a Yugoslavian M76. More expensive to buy and to shoot, but they're very nicely put together, for the most part.
hijakk 2 years ago
There are some in .308 as well, but they aren't very common. I've never seen one for sale, actually.
hijakk 2 years ago
The Chinese NDM-86 was available in .308.
Asmo6 2 years ago
The NDM-86 and SVD/Tigr are TOTALLY different guns, base of a short stroke piston design, like an SKS.
Stazi75 2 years ago
In Romania I'll be able to do what you do in 1 - maybe if a civil war breaks ( no chances ) 2 - in 2050 when I'll be dead :((
jasgrip 2 years ago