Advocates of modern wage labor often try to distinguish it as voluntary. For several thousand years now, slaves have often voluntarily (and even contractually) obligated to serve their master in exchange for food and shelter. Besides, how voluntary is it to say someone voluntarily rents himself in order to ward off starvation and afford a meager existence? Just because wage labor appears voluntary doesn't justify it!
Hey, we all begin in the bottom. How can starting out on the bottom [ Walmart or McDonalds whatever] start paying the same as someone who went to college or worked his way up the rung? This is not forced on a Man, over half of the stuff I own are frivolous [iPod, Cable TV, Gym membership..] instead of the vitals [food, water, shelter] this is the fault of living in a modern world.
a rich workaholic obsessed with getting more wealthy is more a slave to his desires than a tramp who does just enough to get by and can enjoy a life of freedom and modest means. it is materialism and greed that can make slaves out of anyone.
@PaulDonaldRoy It's about the rich workaholic sleeping in a big house on a soft mattress with soft blankets cleaned by the maid, paid for by money embezzled out of the tramp's rightful wages, you are esoteric-ising and nullifying a fundamental issue of sociology.
@HermioneNo1 most people are against embezzlement, which is why there are laws against it. on the other hand, most people don't assume that most people with wealth got it by embezzlement, but rather by some combination of hard work, investment of their talents and resources, and being able to negotiate favorable employment terms. most people don't expect employers or employees to do more than what was mutually agreed. my comment on greed is valid, and i would add envy to that.
@PaulDonaldRoy 'wealth' (meaning money I strongly assume), 'investment', 'negotiate favourable employment terms' - you are arguing from within the system, I am visualizing one beyond that...'Imagine...' And I am not most people, I stand by my view that most rich people got rich by some form of embezzlement :-) Yes, yes, the slave is free to feel enslaved or free - that is coping or giving in. I was talking about outward realities, man-made injustice, exploitation of people in need.
The legitimate use of power is that expressed by Plato and argue by Rawls which I may resume as: the higher end of a vertical relation should always be used for the benefits of those who are ruled. If you don't use power this way, it's called exploitation.
What's hard to do, it's not to point out many things can be achieved by a common ground of decisions: a five years old understands this. What's hard is to show that this nice idea can work for real.
I wonder how many wage slaves put his books together. This is spoken like a true capitalist (who doesn't want anyone to think of them as a capitalist)
"Wage slavery" is a red-herring. Work-or-starve isn't a threat imposed by capitalist bosses; it's inherent to the condition of all living organisms. Every living thing must work or starve; even parasitic worms have to struggle constantly to keep from being dislodged from a host's intestines.
If a man is alone on a desert island, he must struggle to catch fish or gather fruit. Who's exploiting him? He's alone on a fucking island!
What about the self-employed? Are they enslaving themselves?
No. The SELF EMPLOYED are not enslaving themselves. That is the point he is making. He is distinguishing between the people who are forced to sell their labor for WAGES, and people own the product of their labor. A land-owning farmer owns the crops produced by their land and labor, but the farm hand who works tirelessly for him, owns nothing. His argument is not against WORK itself, it's against selling one's labor to enrich the owner class.
@CrocodilusPontifex Although cave men didn't have the luxuries we have now, they at least had the freedom to hunt and gather their food when they saw fit. This isn't a viable option in most parts of a civilized society like ours where land is owned and our agricultural sectors are consolidated by large corporations who are in general hostile to independent farmers.
HA! Well said. Leftists tend to make grand promises about social equality and then hoard wealth just like their polar opposites on the right do. At least the right has the decency to tell me they are stealing to my face. Obviously, there are leftists who 'walk the walk' but the majority are the same as corporate titans in their lust for power.
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I was a wage slave for 36 years. I always knew I was a wage slave and I hated it. I played the game and at the age of 54 I feed myself by saving and paying of all my depts. I am now a free man who no longer has to sell my labour to live. I am happy!
I did watch all three. Have you ever seen someone who's had one too many cosmetic procedures in their quest for perfection? There is no perfection and one cannot reverse the procedure. There is a point at which we will tweek our system too much, in our quest for a perfection. Revisit the simpicity of the system the founders intended. We've gotten away from that. Is Anarchy what we really want? How about everybody here saying something POSITIVE about the U.S. (without humor). Try it. Thanks.
@jojmanful You watched and assimilated nearly 7 hours of mentally demanding video in one night? There are no final frontiers, no utopias. The notion that incentive only arises from selfish pursuit and that striving for differential advantage over one another is in anyway healthy for a society is wrong. Chiseling off one another creates distrust and social stratification. We are long past the help of any tweak, rather we need to advance our entire consciousness and socioeconomic system.
@RewardHonesty I'd watched them before. Advance our 'consciousness' to what? You can't ignore human nature or the processes in the animal kingdom to be 'on top'. Some will achieve this, most will not. I'm open to what you're saying, but you haven't stated any specific system, and YES, we do need a system. Humans won't reach a state of 'consciousness' at the same time. Conversing as though we were still within the protected walls of college is great, but we have to be realistic.
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Some of the people and organizations, I admire have a dark history that some of their deeds many believe are evil.
A classless, moneyless,STATELESS communities of humanity sharing the EARTH in cooperation for our common needs and well being . This world social harmony within and without can only come about through a democratic majority movement of NO LEADERS AND NO FOLLOWERS only consciousness of our common interest can shatter the false limits, the structrual exploitation and the dehumanisation of minority class rule. Monetary serfdom of humanity is evil
Good grief. Russia is open for business guys. You might be happier there. Give the U.S. a litttle credit. It's been torn down enough. Without this Nation, as self loathing as it's citizens have become, the world would be run by third world morons. It's that way petty much now except for Europe, which is fast becoming a haven for Muslim extremists. Here's a music vid about Socialism.
@jojmanful You obviously think that socialism or communism or some other monetary based system is the only alternative, and it is most certainly not. I challenge you to watch the following three youtube videos. Hopefully you are open-minded and have the ability to critically think.
Yes they are long but you have time, as we all do. Make it a priority and make time. Watch all 3.
@RewardHonesty Monetary systems are what the world's economies are based upon. Unless you'd prefer to see some form of barter system in place, I'm not sure what alternative you're promoting. Power in our system, I believe, has been corupted by career politicians. How about term limits? Taking care of others has been best served through charities and individuals desiring to achieve that end. Our system was not set up such that the government takes from you and gives to me in exchange for power.
@jojmanful There was a time when I thought exactly like you, so I certainly know where you are coming from. Challenge yourself with an entirely different way of thinking. I'm so glad that I did. I encourage you to watch all three movies and if you start, do not stop for any reason. Keep the most open mind that you can muster. Remember that critical thinking is not incompatible with open-mindedness. On the contrary, it EMPOWERS an open mind. Get outside the box of indoctrination.
@bebeard17 actually it means when you can't choose not to do so. Nowadays you have to take the shitty wage, take the abusive conditions, no choice. No matter how much you studied or how hard you work. If you don't, there is hundreds behind you to do so... Unions have failed. Governments have failed. We are in the hands of banks and corporations.... open your eyes and see the lie of democracy so we can change it together! lots of love to everyone
@SUpersaiyajinjerkbag Living "in mama's basement" is the last thing Chomsky's advocating. Trying to change the system rather than just quietly dropping out of it, is the only way progress can...and always HAS been made, for a better world/society.
'Wage-earners are but slaves to the masters who hire them. They are temporary slaves, and their slavery lasts as long as they work for wages from employers, be they individuals or the state.'
you gentiles are Pathetic Always take some jew and make him god or Messiah just like the jesus and kerl marx and know this noam chomsky did you ever wondering why is this all your biggst gods and messiah and your intellectuals from right and left are jewish and you wonder how we the jews call are self the chosen people dont diss this
comment in 100 yreas from know your kids will things that holly histroy just like your Fathers Though't even the arebs belive in a jewish idea of god
Chin-up guys! The younger generations couldn't give a shit about old arguments, and don't have the time for bullshit, but are happy to build on the good stuff offered and discard the rest. They're not children, they are the adults of tomorrow.
@Freethinker12341 ..to rephrase maybe..some aspects of these tired old arguments have lost relevence in a more recent context, which does not diminish the overall message, but does leave room for improvement. sorry if my point is blunt.
A moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity expressing our freedom in creative harmonious cooperation for a world that is so POTENTIALLY AND ACTUALLY nourishing. Capitalism in any form, Statist or Corporatist is the denial of our common humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical armed MARKET SYSYTEM of artificial scarcity that is designed to perpetuate the enslavement of immense humanity for material interest of the criminal ruling elite.
Professor Chomsky takes a crack at Doctor Adam Smith, and it is out of place.
Doctor Smith was less a cheerleader for any particular economic model in Wealth of Nations, and more an observer of Economic & Natural Law as observed by him in his day.
Doctor Smith made few value judgments.
Those he did indulge in were very well established in fact, and were in favor of humane & sane conditions for all. Much remained unsaid as too obvious, such as Guilds being a means of labor's control.
We are surrounded by wage slaves everywhere, go to Wal Mart, Subway, McDonald's any large retail or service chain. America's economy is built on the wage slaves.
@soran27 Wage slavery is the socio-economic imposition of minority POLITICAL CLASS RULE. The Market system is the COMMODITY PRODUCTION FOR THE ABSTRACT PROCESS OF CAPITAL ACCUMULATION and CONCENTRATION IN THE INTEREST OF THE RULING / OWNING CLASS. .Your freedom is the condition of your relative choice to sell yourself to the highest bidder in employment system of exploitation,dehumanisation and devaluation
@soran27 The word free and market is a contradiction in terms , just as CAPITAL enslaves and exploites WAGE LABOR . The dynamics of World Capitalism whether Corporate dominated or State dictated is the abstract PROCESS of CAPITAL ACCUMULATION and CONCENTRATION. This abstract process is not smooth or linear but DESTRUCTIVE and enforced by MILLITARY MIGHT. The INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION was underpinned by built up of the BRITISH NAVY and US DOLLAR by world wide millitary bases......
How the hell is Chomsky an anarchist? He's "anti-statist"? Give me a break. His "democracy" means total tyranny of the mob over the individual. His little commie mobs claim to own everybody and everything in sight. The only way they can ever exercise "local control" over all property and industry is through a total war on every property owner. No different than state communism. Anarchist, my ass.
I welcome anarchy. With it, will come the death of many, like Noam Chomsky, who have no real skill except to tell others what they should think. So, bring on anarchy, but remember, you no longer have the MSM running propaganda for you. And without the rule of law, you are sorely out gunned, out worked, and out willed. From each according to his ability, and to each according his need does not apply in anarchy. No, what you 'anarchists' really want is facsism. Because you stupid pussies would n
The monetary serfdom of immense humanity to an outdated,dehumanising,destructive MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY is the template of the suffering of our common humanity . FREEDOM is SHARING OUR PLANET FOR OUR COMMMON NEEDS AND WELL BEING in harmony within and without. All metaphysical, piecemeal tinkering with COMMODITIFICATION of our energies is doomed to failure . CAPITALISM no matter what flavour is abomination of our common humanity.
Man I can't wait to get back to selling myself to my imperialist pig bosses again on Monday so that I can save up to buy some shares in a factory that will pay me for exploiting the labor of other poor unappreciated workers
The civil war wasn't about chattel slavery. Before the south seceded there was never any intention of ending slavery in the states where it was already established. Lincoln said so in his inaugural, a letter to the Tribune, his staff, etc, etc... Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union, his job and his power. Plain and simple.
Btw under capitalism jobs are not necessary productive......rent seeking,finance,wall street,marketing...these sectors employ millions of people who produce little more than nothing .....they just maintain the capitalist structure without produce anything of value....
What a bunch of nonsense. If I lived in your classless, stateless, private propertyless system, and I decided I didnt want to work, what would you do with me? Would I still have a house and sustinence? I doubt it, you would jail or punish me so that I would produce for your society. One tyrant replaced by millions of tyrants. Slavery! The current system is not perfect but I can choose how much I want to work and how hard I work on my own endeavors in hopes to find reward in it.
@Grutch in a classless and stateless society the people who refuse to work would face IMMENSE peer-pressure and peer pressure is superior than any treath of violence in my opinion
btw i think very few people like to be "leecher" ....be 100% unproductive is unnatural and unhealthy
I'm happy you can choose how much you work and how hard but most people can't....they are forced to subject their will to their employer and just follow order
@Shenlong86 Oh poor them! They actually have to work to earn a living and put food on the table? How terrible! You're terribly naive to think that many people would work as hard and efficiently for the same cut of the pie as another. I'm not going to put myself through 10 years of medschool just because I want to "Help" another. I'm not going to burn hours of my life away on my invention just to share its fruits with my neighbors.
@Grutch i shouldnt have to pay to live in a world i was born in i shouldn't have to wast my whole life being a slave to 1 percent of the population.if their is enough recourses to feed,cloth and house the world why should we let money get in the way of that.in this world your either born into wealth or you have a very slim chance of ever
accommodating it,and their is people that work their whole lives and cant put food on the table
@blakstar101 knowledge reigns supreme over nearly everything.over ignorance,hate,fear mongering etc etc .......................... if we had a school system that had the intention of making us productive well informed members of society crime would drop 90 percent easy
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Moron - you do not understand this video at all. Renting your will is selling your will - human labour is not for sale - once you can get a man to part with his own free will and work for money who ever controls the money supply controls you ! slave dealing is the buying and selling of human labour - money is the currency of the slave trade - it costs them nothing, they own the machines that print it - money is just a means of
Renting your will is still selling your will - sold for
labour - slave dealing is the buying and selling of human labour - money is the currency of the slave trade - we should barter and do things for one another rather than there be a cost for everything - Money is slavery - once you can get a man to give up his own free will and work for money who ever controls the money supply controls you
@godkingofthepunks No it is not. Wage slavery is not keeping the full value of your labor. That is all. Submitting to a boss under threat of starvation. It has nothing to do with money. Money allows you to acquire things you cannot or do not want to allocate the time to make or do for yourself. Money allows us to not have to barter for everything we need.
@Luigi84289 Interesting. I was going to say that wage slavery is the result of owing money. My great grandfather paid for his house - and like many of his generation (who were immigrants, now I think of it) did not truck with credit. This meant that the money he worked for was his, so he was rewarded for work, hence his work ethic. And his relationship with his boss wasn't devoid of dignity as it is when you're dependent on someone to the point of arse kissing because you owe the mortgage lender
I am getting really fucking pissed off!!!!! I work full time and can't even afford an overpriced house. Wages do not keep pace with any of the expenses of living. I can't afford to pay my child support so ow they took away my Driver's license, how that help I don't know.The only thing I'm accomplishing is making banks really wealthy. No wonder people turned to Communism, the Idea is to share the wealth but that doesn't work either because of a few greedy people.
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@warriorprince1010 Cuba is the worst example you could use, they don't have much resources there so of course they are poor. 42,000 is nothing compared to the price of a house nevermind all the crap you need to run it. Capitalism is fine but the reserve banks are pinching our money as they print it. Inflation is not normal it's a lie and it's how they suck the value out of our money.
Once you can get people to give up their own free will and "work for money" who ever controls the money supply controls you.
Slavery never ended - it is the west - they just upgraded their methods of extracting human labour - now with the illusion of freedom under rule slaves actively seek their own labour with the "job" and monetary system - to be free and at
@godkingofthepunks I don't think it matters what system you live under. a few greedy fuckers will ruin it. Socialism sounds great but doesn't seem to work either. I am really fucking chapped. If the cost of living goes up yet wages don't keep pace then someone is ripping us off, the reserve banks need to be closed and we need honest money.These assholes on wall street that inflate housing and trade dirivitives should be imprisoned. Am I the only one that foaming at the mouth? FUCK!!!!!
So let me think this through- You're saying that anarchism is cool? You know what? You are a fucking low brow piece of shit. You are a fucking piece of dog shit. Yeah man, like I'm the big man man and like I know what the scene is man and like I am anti-man man and I am against the man man and like I know what is going on man.----Let me tell you what's going on----you are a fucking piece of fucking shit and your " hey man, get with the anarchist scene man!" IS A LOAD OF FUCKING DOG SHIT!!!!
Capitalism is the final chapter in historic evolution of THE TYRANNY OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RELATIONSHIP of alienation,exploitation and suffering of humanity, a Market mechanism where minority interest is the NEGATION OF OUR COMMON HUMANITY IN COOPERATION and HARMONY. We shall overcome the structure of minority power and oppression and reclaim our planet for a world of cooperation for our common needs and well being, expressing our energetic creative divinity in freedom of being.
@OurBackToTheDark A majority democratic movement for a world of cooperation for our common needs and well being in harmony within and without, The first and the last truly Majority democratic revolution in human history.
@OurBackToTheDark the term collectivist dictatorship is a contradiction. if basic food, water, healthcare, and education were provided for free you would only have the basics to survive, nothing for luxury or entertainment. ppl what nice things and to be able to enjoy them, they work to be able to acquire those things unfortunately in our system most ppl end up working not to be able to afford luxuries but to be able simply afford to stay alive and feed there children. this is slavery.
@thewaterwillcome Collectivist dictatorship is not contradictory. What is a communist / socialist dictatorship?
In regards to your other comment, it is not slavery, it is survival. Luxury items are not owed to you regardless of the fact that people want them. You work to survive. at least in theory. It has always been thus. The idea that you should work for luxuries is a modern concept. Or misconception.
@OurBackToTheDark dictators who call themselves socialist doso to remain in power they violate the principles of socialism. im suggesting that things required for survival should not be part of a free market, but should be provided to all who need them so they dnt die. not providing these goods when there is plenty to go around is indirect murder. when ppl must put all effort into menial labor they have no time or energy to be involved in their gov. resulting in the erosion of democracy.
@thewaterwillcome Of course, at the upper echelons of socialist systems there is an inherent hypocrisy that elevates the leaders above the citizens. Disregarding this fact, I am obviously referring to the rest of the functioning society, not including the small corrupt minority.
You seem to have a fairly strong left lean. You expect the government to provide everything a person needs to live. If this is done, people realize they do not need to work and the society is economically eroded.
@OurBackToTheDark i expect the gov to provide eveything a person needs to not die. your assuming ppl only work to live. then why do middle class workers continue their hard work? why does a rich person spend more time at the office than at home? ppl work to better themselves not just to survive. if your argument were true there would be no ambition, once a person was getting paid enough not to starve to death their work effort would plateau and the economy would have already eroded.
@dro305 Go read Condition of the Working Class in 1844 by Freidrich Engels you fool. It perfectly outlines the conditions imposed by the bourgeoisie on the proletariat and the continuous cycle of financial collapse, the only wrong assumption was that a communist revolution was imminent. Roughly every 10-20 years the capitalist bubble bursts again and again with increasingly more dire consequences, this fact is undeniable.
You ask how population can outpace jobs available, I say division of labour. Less workers producing more consumer products, may mean cheaper prices but also means more people out of work and less people to buy said products.
This continues on and on until there is a surplus of goods, workers are laid off en mass and suddenly nobody has any money to buy the consumer goods and the economy crashes. The same thing has been happening in many forms for many years.
@dro305 You raise a good point which leads us to the next of course. What will happen once the growth of a population significantly out paces the given number of jobs? What will happen when technology finnally takes the place of 60% + of the human workforce? When there are an x number of healthy working age population greater than an x number of jobs available?
@dro305 This is the nightmare we will be facing in another 100 years if our insane governments don't destroy everything with their weopons of mass destruction.
What should we recieve instead of wages? I just realized that my father gave me a wage when I worked foor him. My goodness, I was enslaved by my own father.
Capitalism is the historic evolution of private property relationship of alienation,exploitation and suffering of humanity in a modality of commodity production for abstract process of capital accumulation and concentration . A system of wage slavery in an employment system of suppression and dehumanistion. We need to transcend this false limits to our creative cooperative energies for a moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity . Capitalism is evil
@theCriOur progressive evolution is dependent upon the collapse of our current society with the opportunity of rebuilding a new world based on sustainable foundation that is in harmony with the planet.. Only with complete transparancy wiil we be able to chart a more viable future for humanity. Quantum physics emphasizes a fundamental truth the" observer creates the world". Once we share the planet as ONE HUMAN COMMUNITY IN COOPERATION can the entire population make history consciously
@arzoyan You seem to always, rather eloquently, sum up the pernicious nature of the socio-economic and political systems of exploitation and subjugation born out of Western culture.
@arzoyan Capitalism is simply the right to own property and sell products. It is not responsible for anything other than that. Socialism is state slavery so the government can have total power and wealth at the expense of the poor. Hitler was a socialist, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were all firstly socialists.
@arzoyan Then everyone has to own their own property and be able to do with it as they please. A lack of property is the only reason people give into wage slavery along with psychological endoctrination. If you have your own land and understand that living freely means taking care of your own needs yourself you cannot be enslaved. We all need our own private property. Enough to grow or kill for our own food and dig/gather our own water.
@arzoyan Then why the hell are you using youtube, which is a hub for EVIL capitalistic advertisements, or the internet for that matter which was created as a project to share corporate information databases. Why the hell are you using a system created on the supposed sweat, toil, blood, tears, and labor of the "oppressed people"? How about this, rather then blowing propaganda out your ass you go move to cuba and join their glorious proletariat?
@arzoyan I have to admit though, that I was much happier before Chomsky brought to my attention the stark and frightening similarities between chattled and wage slavery..and their linked origins. As he also points out, we've become so indoctrinated by these illusory notions of 'democracy' and a 'free press',that we've learned not to see that which is before our very eyes.
I dont enjoy being pessimistic, but I dont foresee this changing any time soon... if ever.
@comanch Capitalism is the process of the denial and limit to our common humanity in a web of monetary alienation,distortions,,exploitation and deception to an outdated structrual minority imposition of CLASS RULE. Quantum physics, scientific insight is systematically revealing the enormous potential for mankind to transcend the false limits of current impasse. A majority democratic conscious movement to share the EARTH in COOPERATION for our common needs and well being is the UNIFICATION.
@comanchio1976 "but I dont foresee this changing any time soon... if ever."
You are quite the pessimist. Fundamental changes have before occurred in society, as we've seen with civil rights movements. The major impetus is poor living conditions, something that seems unavoidable as the US dollar begins to slump, and climate change starts to chomp at the bit. It may be painful and dangerous, and we may never ourselves see it, but someday, there must be change.
@Keinlicht II certainly hope so, I'd fight the good fight if the time ever came.
I used to feel the same way you do, but so many examples of Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm have come to fruition, that it's hard for me to prop up any real optimism on the matter. I know it's a cliche, but I see myself as a realist more than a pessimist.
@comanchio1976 Well, perhaps you're right. It may well be that none of us will see legitimate, social, democratic change.
But it seems evident that in every period in history there are opportunities for popular struggle. If we think they're not really there, it's harder to identify those openings to push back the rights of concentrated power systems in favor of the rights of people, I think.
@comanchio1976 well, the global awakaning can help! we should at least try, don't you think? Lets do it. Lets change it, we can make it, we are educated, we have the internet. Another world IS possible!!! all over the world millions of people are demontrating right now! Take the streets on October 15th!! This is the first global demonstration ever, and its just the beggining.. The world revolution has started! yaaay!! lots of love to everyone
@hastalueguito Thanks for the heads-up on the Oct 15, I had no idea. Will definitely make it if possible.
I do realise that what I wrote came off as defeatist, but I've by no means given up hope...it was more of an evaluation/prediction. I'm more than willing to fight the good fight!:)
@comanchio1976 There is plenty of happiness to be had in the world even after you shed, your illusions, I think maybe more. You just have to learn to make your life work in accord with your beliefs and new found knowledge, that is just my advice and my 2cents...
@elmerSc The evolution of recent human history has been dominated by minority control over the majority, the rulers have come up with nessesary illusion for compliance and servitude of the many, Science and technology has created a world of plenty, but the market mechanism is about artificial scarcity to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in a modality of war,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty and so on . The new paradigm is sharing the Earth for our collective needs and wellbeing
@OurBackToTheDark How about no money. A society where work is for the common good. Where labor is not a forced thing. Where all may have a place to live to make food and a end to slavery of all kinds. Money once abolished will make profiting impossible. A more equal society will be the alternative. Free of money and free of private property.
@dro305 You think like a capitalist. Go and read Marx. Outperform his/her worker. If something belongs to me I cherish it, I look after it, I love it. Because it's mine, not some stinking rich exploitater. At Foxcom there are 400.000 workers minus those that committed suicide because of the pressure to OUTPERFORM. Go and preach your diseased capitalistic philosophy to their families, they will probably tear you apart limb by limb as should all capitalists be so treated. WE HATE YOU!!!
@dro305 Under the present system the worker has to have a job any contract is not voluntarily entered into, because the worker has no choice other than to starve. That is slavery. Yes it's socialism, and please don't say it failed in the USSR. It was never tried there. The USSR was state capitalism under a dictator.
@OurBackToTheDark Actually that is both my & my wife's situation. You see we are both invalids. Because we live in Israel, and our government adheres to Jewish values, not the Protestant work ethic, our combined pensions are higher than the average household income here. The argument here is that the workers should have sole control over what they produce. I.E. NO bosses. I lived on a kibbutz for a year, & that is how it worked, & it did work. I'm a work invalid, my wife is blind.
@dro305 The worker is a slave in that he/she does not control what he does, he/she is told what to do, and if refuses loses the job. He/she is a slave in that he/she does to reap the full value of what he/she produces. One person or a comparative small group of people are controlling a vast number of people. Only when the worker will have full control of what he/she does at the work place, and reap the full value of what is produced will it not be wage slavery.
@dro305 Are you telling me that in India and Cambodia and Vietnam where they are so impoverished that they'll work for 15 hours for a bowl of rice is actually a "voluntary" choice? How about a NO CHOICE! Thats more like it.
Do you realize that there are kids in theird world countries that have to work from dawn till next dawn to support their families? How is that volunteer in any way.
Capitalism, the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY to perpetuate wage-slavery/exploitation in the interest of the owning/ruling class. A tyrannical system of commodity production for the abstract process of accumulation and concentration of Capital in the contol of fewer and fewer . We must end this imposition of FALSE LIMITS for a world of cooperation for our common needs and well being in harmony within and without.
That you must work to escape poverty is a fact of life that no economic system can escape. Wage Slavery was an invention of pro-slavery southerners prior to the civil war to justify the existence of actual slavery in the north. In practice it capitalism which grants workers the most freedom.
Thus capital can make a profit because people can produce more in a day than they need to live, or to put it another way, the value of labour power is less than a full days labour. The whole trick reduces to the problem: how to get the workers to work longer than needed to earn the equivalent of their own needs and then get hold of that surplus labour. The secret of this trick lies in wage labour.'
Wage Labor = Human Rental = Hired Slaves
Advocates of modern wage labor often try to distinguish it as voluntary. For several thousand years now, slaves have often voluntarily (and even contractually) obligated to serve their master in exchange for food and shelter. Besides, how voluntary is it to say someone voluntarily rents himself in order to ward off starvation and afford a meager existence? Just because wage labor appears voluntary doesn't justify it!
Support worker co-ops, end slavery!
a0eoj 1 hour ago
Hey, we all begin in the bottom. How can starting out on the bottom [ Walmart or McDonalds whatever] start paying the same as someone who went to college or worked his way up the rung? This is not forced on a Man, over half of the stuff I own are frivolous [iPod, Cable TV, Gym membership..] instead of the vitals [food, water, shelter] this is the fault of living in a modern world.
arivas713 2 days ago
Smash the global finance banking state!!!
PrimeConsciousness 1 week ago
a rich workaholic obsessed with getting more wealthy is more a slave to his desires than a tramp who does just enough to get by and can enjoy a life of freedom and modest means. it is materialism and greed that can make slaves out of anyone.
PaulDonaldRoy 2 weeks ago
@PaulDonaldRoy It's about the rich workaholic sleeping in a big house on a soft mattress with soft blankets cleaned by the maid, paid for by money embezzled out of the tramp's rightful wages, you are esoteric-ising and nullifying a fundamental issue of sociology.
HermioneNo1 1 week ago
@HermioneNo1 most people are against embezzlement, which is why there are laws against it. on the other hand, most people don't assume that most people with wealth got it by embezzlement, but rather by some combination of hard work, investment of their talents and resources, and being able to negotiate favorable employment terms. most people don't expect employers or employees to do more than what was mutually agreed. my comment on greed is valid, and i would add envy to that.
PaulDonaldRoy 5 days ago
@PaulDonaldRoy 'wealth' (meaning money I strongly assume), 'investment', 'negotiate favourable employment terms' - you are arguing from within the system, I am visualizing one beyond that...'Imagine...' And I am not most people, I stand by my view that most rich people got rich by some form of embezzlement :-) Yes, yes, the slave is free to feel enslaved or free - that is coping or giving in. I was talking about outward realities, man-made injustice, exploitation of people in need.
HermioneNo1 5 days ago
The legitimate use of power is that expressed by Plato and argue by Rawls which I may resume as: the higher end of a vertical relation should always be used for the benefits of those who are ruled. If you don't use power this way, it's called exploitation.
What's hard to do, it's not to point out many things can be achieved by a common ground of decisions: a five years old understands this. What's hard is to show that this nice idea can work for real.
KrugmanTheKing 3 weeks ago
I wonder how many wage slaves put his books together. This is spoken like a true capitalist (who doesn't want anyone to think of them as a capitalist)
mixmastermeeks 3 weeks ago
Noam Chomsky does not talk about wage slavery through the Federal Reserve and modern banking...
rasetoi 3 weeks ago
"Wage slavery" is a red-herring. Work-or-starve isn't a threat imposed by capitalist bosses; it's inherent to the condition of all living organisms. Every living thing must work or starve; even parasitic worms have to struggle constantly to keep from being dislodged from a host's intestines.
If a man is alone on a desert island, he must struggle to catch fish or gather fruit. Who's exploiting him? He's alone on a fucking island!
What about the self-employed? Are they enslaving themselves?
CrocodilusPontifex 3 weeks ago
@CrocodilusPontifex
No. The SELF EMPLOYED are not enslaving themselves. That is the point he is making. He is distinguishing between the people who are forced to sell their labor for WAGES, and people own the product of their labor. A land-owning farmer owns the crops produced by their land and labor, but the farm hand who works tirelessly for him, owns nothing. His argument is not against WORK itself, it's against selling one's labor to enrich the owner class.
TheRobin3212 3 weeks ago
@CrocodilusPontifex Although cave men didn't have the luxuries we have now, they at least had the freedom to hunt and gather their food when they saw fit. This isn't a viable option in most parts of a civilized society like ours where land is owned and our agricultural sectors are consolidated by large corporations who are in general hostile to independent farmers.
glueturkey 2 weeks ago
Chattel, not chattle
oldoldoldoldold 1 month ago 2
Music suck!
Frisbieinstein 1 month ago
@lightandbeautiful
Fuck you.
BinghamIsAnEpicName 1 month ago
changing the system is hopeless, and here is why. Even the harshest critics underestimate what political dipshits most amerian states are.
American lefists cannot even maintain a damn bus system, much less do what it takes to get health care, corporate accountability, peace, etc.
As even Mexico can do better than this, the USA is objectively a politically backwards society, and no excuses should be made for it
SUpersaiyajinjerkbag 1 month ago
@SUpersaiyajinjerkbag
HA! Well said. Leftists tend to make grand promises about social equality and then hoard wealth just like their polar opposites on the right do. At least the right has the decency to tell me they are stealing to my face. Obviously, there are leftists who 'walk the walk' but the majority are the same as corporate titans in their lust for power.
squarecracker 1 month ago
i get it. i live with my parents, but if I get a part time job at mcdonalds I am a slave?
SUpersaiyajinjerkbag 1 month ago
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@SUpersaiyajinjerkbag "i get it. i live with my parents, but if I get a part time job at mcdonalds I am a slave?"
you're 30yrs old still living with your parents?you have bigger problems then being a "slave".lol
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lightandbeautiful 2 months ago
I was a wage slave for 36 years. I always knew I was a wage slave and I hated it. I played the game and at the age of 54 I feed myself by saving and paying of all my depts. I am now a free man who no longer has to sell my labour to live. I am happy!
grandslam1998 2 months ago
Thanks for telling us what the song was. :D
meinevvelten 3 months ago
I did watch all three. Have you ever seen someone who's had one too many cosmetic procedures in their quest for perfection? There is no perfection and one cannot reverse the procedure. There is a point at which we will tweek our system too much, in our quest for a perfection. Revisit the simpicity of the system the founders intended. We've gotten away from that. Is Anarchy what we really want? How about everybody here saying something POSITIVE about the U.S. (without humor). Try it. Thanks.
jojmanful 4 months ago
@jojmanful You watched and assimilated nearly 7 hours of mentally demanding video in one night? There are no final frontiers, no utopias. The notion that incentive only arises from selfish pursuit and that striving for differential advantage over one another is in anyway healthy for a society is wrong. Chiseling off one another creates distrust and social stratification. We are long past the help of any tweak, rather we need to advance our entire consciousness and socioeconomic system.
RewardHonesty 4 months ago
@RewardHonesty I'd watched them before. Advance our 'consciousness' to what? You can't ignore human nature or the processes in the animal kingdom to be 'on top'. Some will achieve this, most will not. I'm open to what you're saying, but you haven't stated any specific system, and YES, we do need a system. Humans won't reach a state of 'consciousness' at the same time. Conversing as though we were still within the protected walls of college is great, but we have to be realistic.
jojmanful 3 months ago
Become aware of public and private interactions of how people and organization attain wealth, authority, and power that can be done through research. We all make mistakes, but some hide the truth and Activist, Linguist and renowned interlectual Professor Noam Chomsky exposes people for who they really are and how. Harry Kreisler's "Conversations with History" is a great program.
Some of the people and organizations, I admire have a dark history that some of their deeds many believe are evil.
airforcemax 4 months ago
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A classless, moneyless,STATELESS communities of humanity sharing the EARTH in cooperation for our common needs and well being . This world social harmony within and without can only come about through a democratic majority movement of NO LEADERS AND NO FOLLOWERS only consciousness of our common interest can shatter the false limits, the structrual exploitation and the dehumanisation of minority class rule. Monetary serfdom of humanity is evil
arzoyan 4 months ago
Good grief. Russia is open for business guys. You might be happier there. Give the U.S. a litttle credit. It's been torn down enough. Without this Nation, as self loathing as it's citizens have become, the world would be run by third world morons. It's that way petty much now except for Europe, which is fast becoming a haven for Muslim extremists. Here's a music vid about Socialism.
jojmanful 4 months ago
@jojmanful ....right.
WishCRUS4D3R 4 months ago
@jojmanful You obviously think that socialism or communism or some other monetary based system is the only alternative, and it is most certainly not. I challenge you to watch the following three youtube videos. Hopefully you are open-minded and have the ability to critically think.
Yes they are long but you have time, as we all do. Make it a priority and make time. Watch all 3.
Complete Original Zeitgiest 07 with 2010 Updates
Zeitgeist Moving Forward Official
Zeitgeist Addendum
RewardHonesty 4 months ago
@RewardHonesty Monetary systems are what the world's economies are based upon. Unless you'd prefer to see some form of barter system in place, I'm not sure what alternative you're promoting. Power in our system, I believe, has been corupted by career politicians. How about term limits? Taking care of others has been best served through charities and individuals desiring to achieve that end. Our system was not set up such that the government takes from you and gives to me in exchange for power.
jojmanful 4 months ago
@jojmanful There was a time when I thought exactly like you, so I certainly know where you are coming from. Challenge yourself with an entirely different way of thinking. I'm so glad that I did. I encourage you to watch all three movies and if you start, do not stop for any reason. Keep the most open mind that you can muster. Remember that critical thinking is not incompatible with open-mindedness. On the contrary, it EMPOWERS an open mind. Get outside the box of indoctrination.
RewardHonesty 4 months ago
so wage slaves are like slaves... who get PAID to do unpleasant things?
bebeard17 4 months ago
@bebeard17 actually it means when you can't choose not to do so. Nowadays you have to take the shitty wage, take the abusive conditions, no choice. No matter how much you studied or how hard you work. If you don't, there is hundreds behind you to do so... Unions have failed. Governments have failed. We are in the hands of banks and corporations.... open your eyes and see the lie of democracy so we can change it together! lots of love to everyone
hastalueguito 4 months ago
@bebeard17 No offence...but did you watch the vid, or just read the title?
Chomsky clearly explains the relative similarity between the 2 forms of slavery, I dont know how you could have missed it.
comanchio1976 4 months ago
so people who have jobs are slaves? Are we supposed to live in mama's basement our whole lives?
SUpersaiyajinjerkbag 4 months ago
@SUpersaiyajinjerkbag Living "in mama's basement" is the last thing Chomsky's advocating. Trying to change the system rather than just quietly dropping out of it, is the only way progress can...and always HAS been made, for a better world/society.
Look at history, this has always been the case.
comanchio1976 4 months ago
'Wage-earners are but slaves to the masters who hire them. They are temporary slaves, and their slavery lasts as long as they work for wages from employers, be they individuals or the state.'
Gaddafi, "Green Book"
COMMUNISTPHILOSOPHY 5 months ago
The system works. Rewarding risk takers and setting aside wages for those who are risk averse.
jooks223 5 months ago
Yes to slave wages !!!!!!
jooks223 5 months ago
Noah Chomsky should do live debates with EVERY SINGLE ANTI-STATIST on earth. That would be awesome.
gulbirk 5 months ago
i consider myself to be very "interlectual".
LiquidChem 5 months ago
wow! capitalism is actually slavery! i cant believe the epiphany ive just had
Freethinker12341 5 months ago
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you gentiles are Pathetic Always take some jew and make him god or Messiah just like the jesus and kerl marx and know this noam chomsky did you ever wondering why is this all your biggst gods and messiah and your intellectuals from right and left are jewish and you wonder how we the jews call are self the chosen people dont diss this
comment in 100 yreas from know your kids will things that holly histroy just like your Fathers Though't even the arebs belive in a jewish idea of god
ehudnold9 5 months ago 2
Chin-up guys! The younger generations couldn't give a shit about old arguments, and don't have the time for bullshit, but are happy to build on the good stuff offered and discard the rest. They're not children, they are the adults of tomorrow.
breaneainn 6 months ago
@breaneainn whats your point
Freethinker12341 5 months ago
@Freethinker12341 ..to rephrase maybe..some aspects of these tired old arguments have lost relevence in a more recent context, which does not diminish the overall message, but does leave room for improvement. sorry if my point is blunt.
breaneainn 5 months ago
A moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity expressing our freedom in creative harmonious cooperation for a world that is so POTENTIALLY AND ACTUALLY nourishing. Capitalism in any form, Statist or Corporatist is the denial of our common humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical armed MARKET SYSYTEM of artificial scarcity that is designed to perpetuate the enslavement of immense humanity for material interest of the criminal ruling elite.
arzoyan 6 months ago
Professor Chomsky takes a crack at Doctor Adam Smith, and it is out of place.
Doctor Smith was less a cheerleader for any particular economic model in Wealth of Nations, and more an observer of Economic & Natural Law as observed by him in his day.
Doctor Smith made few value judgments.
Those he did indulge in were very well established in fact, and were in favor of humane & sane conditions for all. Much remained unsaid as too obvious, such as Guilds being a means of labor's control.
centurion180ad 6 months ago
@centurion180ad Economics and natural law is a contradictory ideological mystification.
arzoyan 6 months ago
We are surrounded by wage slaves everywhere, go to Wal Mart, Subway, McDonald's any large retail or service chain. America's economy is built on the wage slaves.
soran27 7 months ago 24
@soran27 Wrong. It is built on people purusing their own gain by cooperating with others. That is the essence of capitalism. Cooperation.
FrankiePoker 6 months ago
@soran27 Who isn't a wage slaves. Hell, even investmenet bankers and accountants are wage slaves
qwertypluss 4 months ago
@soran27 Wage slavery is the socio-economic imposition of minority POLITICAL CLASS RULE. The Market system is the COMMODITY PRODUCTION FOR THE ABSTRACT PROCESS OF CAPITAL ACCUMULATION and CONCENTRATION IN THE INTEREST OF THE RULING / OWNING CLASS. .Your freedom is the condition of your relative choice to sell yourself to the highest bidder in employment system of exploitation,dehumanisation and devaluation
arzoyan 4 months ago
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@soran27 The word free and market is a contradiction in terms , just as CAPITAL enslaves and exploites WAGE LABOR . The dynamics of World Capitalism whether Corporate dominated or State dictated is the abstract PROCESS of CAPITAL ACCUMULATION and CONCENTRATION. This abstract process is not smooth or linear but DESTRUCTIVE and enforced by MILLITARY MIGHT. The INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION was underpinned by built up of the BRITISH NAVY and US DOLLAR by world wide millitary bases......
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Vertsk8er419 7 months ago
Chomsky is simply brilliant.
TheBigEase 7 months ago
How the hell is Chomsky an anarchist? He's "anti-statist"? Give me a break. His "democracy" means total tyranny of the mob over the individual. His little commie mobs claim to own everybody and everything in sight. The only way they can ever exercise "local control" over all property and industry is through a total war on every property owner. No different than state communism. Anarchist, my ass.
MillionthUsername 7 months ago
@MillionthUsername -facepalm-
Suicideforcelluloid 6 months ago
@Suicideforcelluloid -belch-
MillionthUsername 6 months ago
More marxist economic nonsense from Chomsky.
qwertypoiu4321 7 months ago
Under capitalism the slave has MORE protection. That is all.
mba2ceo 8 months ago
he's fucking lost it
ashbash986 8 months ago
Providing a service through your labour is not the same as chattel slavery. When I hire a plumber are they "renting" themselves to me?
Adlasyn 9 months ago
I welcome anarchy. With it, will come the death of many, like Noam Chomsky, who have no real skill except to tell others what they should think. So, bring on anarchy, but remember, you no longer have the MSM running propaganda for you. And without the rule of law, you are sorely out gunned, out worked, and out willed. From each according to his ability, and to each according his need does not apply in anarchy. No, what you 'anarchists' really want is facsism. Because you stupid pussies would n
bkerndt 9 months ago
@bkerndt What is your understanding of anarchism, if you think it means no rule of law?
agapeiron 8 months ago
@bkerndt why would chomsky die? he is beloved of all!
munkdo3 6 months ago
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The monetary serfdom of immense humanity to an outdated,dehumanising,destructive MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY is the template of the suffering of our common humanity . FREEDOM is SHARING OUR PLANET FOR OUR COMMMON NEEDS AND WELL BEING in harmony within and without. All metaphysical, piecemeal tinkering with COMMODITIFICATION of our energies is doomed to failure . CAPITALISM no matter what flavour is abomination of our common humanity.
arzoyan 9 months ago 2
Man I can't wait to get back to selling myself to my imperialist pig bosses again on Monday so that I can save up to buy some shares in a factory that will pay me for exploiting the labor of other poor unappreciated workers
chrisjmonty 10 months ago
The civil war wasn't about chattel slavery. Before the south seceded there was never any intention of ending slavery in the states where it was already established. Lincoln said so in his inaugural, a letter to the Tribune, his staff, etc, etc... Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union, his job and his power. Plain and simple.
StatismIsACrutch 10 months ago
Btw under capitalism jobs are not necessary productive......rent seeking,finance,wall street,marketing...these sectors employ millions of people who produce little more than nothing .....they just maintain the capitalist structure without produce anything of value....
Shenlong86 10 months ago
What a bunch of nonsense. If I lived in your classless, stateless, private propertyless system, and I decided I didnt want to work, what would you do with me? Would I still have a house and sustinence? I doubt it, you would jail or punish me so that I would produce for your society. One tyrant replaced by millions of tyrants. Slavery! The current system is not perfect but I can choose how much I want to work and how hard I work on my own endeavors in hopes to find reward in it.
Grutch 10 months ago
@Grutch in a classless and stateless society the people who refuse to work would face IMMENSE peer-pressure and peer pressure is superior than any treath of violence in my opinion
btw i think very few people like to be "leecher" ....be 100% unproductive is unnatural and unhealthy
I'm happy you can choose how much you work and how hard but most people can't....they are forced to subject their will to their employer and just follow order
Shenlong86 10 months ago
@Shenlong86 Oh poor them! They actually have to work to earn a living and put food on the table? How terrible! You're terribly naive to think that many people would work as hard and efficiently for the same cut of the pie as another. I'm not going to put myself through 10 years of medschool just because I want to "Help" another. I'm not going to burn hours of my life away on my invention just to share its fruits with my neighbors.
Grutch 10 months ago
@Grutch i shouldnt have to pay to live in a world i was born in i shouldn't have to wast my whole life being a slave to 1 percent of the population.if their is enough recourses to feed,cloth and house the world why should we let money get in the way of that.in this world your either born into wealth or you have a very slim chance of ever
accommodating it,and their is people that work their whole lives and cant put food on the table
money=a plague to our world
fallenempireoverdrve 10 months ago
So what's the alternative to wage labor? Subsistence agriculture? Do we only work for our own personal basic needs (food, water, shelter)?
5:48 "Federal Structures based on voluntary association"=government?
5:34 "highly organized society...based on democratic control"=my minority ass getting lynched because humans aren't angels in reality
blakstar101 10 months ago
@blakstar101 Agreed. There is a fine line between democracy and mob rule.
megamarsvin 10 months ago
@blakstar101 knowledge reigns supreme over nearly everything.over ignorance,hate,fear mongering etc etc .......................... if we had a school system that had the intention of making us productive well informed members of society crime would drop 90 percent easy
fallenempireoverdrve 10 months ago
@fallenempireoverdrve No one can be omniscient.
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blakstar101 10 months ago
@fallenempireoverdrve Here are more intentions.
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blakstar101 10 months ago
@blakstar101 :) only if all schools had that mission statement
so do u want to be a teacher their or something ?
fallenempireoverdrve 10 months ago
@fallenempireoverdrve Nah, I just randomly found them on google.
blakstar101 10 months ago
Jesus christ this guy is amazing.
jimbobanalbeats 10 months ago
Capitalist have to use illegals to grind down wages of working people.
TheThedot 10 months ago
good video despite the horrific music...
OscarLimaMike 11 months ago
Work for master is slavery. ONE LOVE :)
createrainbowz 11 months ago
so far, 25 viewers of this video are getting rich off of wage slavery
jaybeebles 1 year ago
Moron - you do not understand this video at all. Renting your will is selling your will - human labour is not for sale - once you can get a man to part with his own free will and work for money who ever controls the money supply controls you ! slave dealing is the buying and selling of human labour - money is the currency of the slave trade - it costs them nothing, they own the machines that print it - money is just a means of
getting your labour and to oppress with taxation
godkingofthepunks 1 year ago
Moron - you do not understand this video at all.
Renting your will is still selling your will - sold for
labour - slave dealing is the buying and selling of human labour - money is the currency of the slave trade - we should barter and do things for one another rather than there be a cost for everything - Money is slavery - once you can get a man to give up his own free will and work for money who ever controls the money supply controls you
godkingofthepunks 1 year ago
The existence of money is wage slavery
godkingofthepunks 1 year ago
@godkingofthepunks No it is not. Wage slavery is not keeping the full value of your labor. That is all. Submitting to a boss under threat of starvation. It has nothing to do with money. Money allows you to acquire things you cannot or do not want to allocate the time to make or do for yourself. Money allows us to not have to barter for everything we need.
Luigi84289 1 year ago
@Luigi84289 Interesting. I was going to say that wage slavery is the result of owing money. My great grandfather paid for his house - and like many of his generation (who were immigrants, now I think of it) did not truck with credit. This meant that the money he worked for was his, so he was rewarded for work, hence his work ethic. And his relationship with his boss wasn't devoid of dignity as it is when you're dependent on someone to the point of arse kissing because you owe the mortgage lender
ion010101 11 months ago
I am getting really fucking pissed off!!!!! I work full time and can't even afford an overpriced house. Wages do not keep pace with any of the expenses of living. I can't afford to pay my child support so ow they took away my Driver's license, how that help I don't know.The only thing I'm accomplishing is making banks really wealthy. No wonder people turned to Communism, the Idea is to share the wealth but that doesn't work either because of a few greedy people.
MrROTD 1 year ago
@MrROTD Save your money. Prices will go down.
jimbobanalbeats 10 months ago
Dr. Chomsky recently told Iranian TV that at the time the USA attacked Afghanistan they had no evidence that al Qaeda did 9/11. See my video "Chomsky on Faith-based Wars and 9/11"
punxsutawneybarney 1 year ago
Cuba average wage...$7000 a year. USA average wage ...$42,000. Capitalism has cured wage slavery, socialism IS slavery in every sense f the word.
warriorprince1010 1 year ago
@warriorprince1010 Cuba is the worst example you could use, they don't have much resources there so of course they are poor. 42,000 is nothing compared to the price of a house nevermind all the crap you need to run it. Capitalism is fine but the reserve banks are pinching our money as they print it. Inflation is not normal it's a lie and it's how they suck the value out of our money.
MrROTD 1 year ago
Selling your labor =/= selling your self.
This video is baloney.
Aliothemage 1 year ago
To holm81: Have you a stick up your ass?
elpoptart 1 year ago
To the creator of this video: Have you so little faith in the imagination of the viewers that Chomsky's words have to be illustrated? Psshh....
holm81 1 year ago
Once you can get people to give up their own free will and "work for money" who ever controls the money supply controls you.
Slavery never ended - it is the west - they just upgraded their methods of extracting human labour - now with the illusion of freedom under rule slaves actively seek their own labour with the "job" and monetary system - to be free and at
liberty the whole system must fall
godkingofthepunks 1 year ago
@godkingofthepunks I don't think it matters what system you live under. a few greedy fuckers will ruin it. Socialism sounds great but doesn't seem to work either. I am really fucking chapped. If the cost of living goes up yet wages don't keep pace then someone is ripping us off, the reserve banks need to be closed and we need honest money.These assholes on wall street that inflate housing and trade dirivitives should be imprisoned. Am I the only one that foaming at the mouth? FUCK!!!!!
MrROTD 1 year ago
@MrROTD dealing with the needs of a fractional reserve system. Reintroduced by Woodrow Wilson in the early 1900's.
pvisserandorra 1 year ago
it's spelled chattel
talibanchristian 1 year ago
So let me think this through- You're saying that anarchism is cool? You know what? You are a fucking low brow piece of shit. You are a fucking piece of dog shit. Yeah man, like I'm the big man man and like I know what the scene is man and like I am anti-man man and I am against the man man and like I know what is going on man.----Let me tell you what's going on----you are a fucking piece of fucking shit and your " hey man, get with the anarchist scene man!" IS A LOAD OF FUCKING DOG SHIT!!!!
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Capitalism is the final chapter in historic evolution of THE TYRANNY OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RELATIONSHIP of alienation,exploitation and suffering of humanity, a Market mechanism where minority interest is the NEGATION OF OUR COMMON HUMANITY IN COOPERATION and HARMONY. We shall overcome the structure of minority power and oppression and reclaim our planet for a world of cooperation for our common needs and well being, expressing our energetic creative divinity in freedom of being.
arzoyan 1 year ago 2
@arzoyan Im sure those words have been the justification for many violent social reforms giving way to collectivist dictatorships.
OurBackToTheDark 1 year ago
@OurBackToTheDark A majority democratic movement for a world of cooperation for our common needs and well being in harmony within and without, The first and the last truly Majority democratic revolution in human history.
arzoyan 1 year ago
@OurBackToTheDark the term collectivist dictatorship is a contradiction. if basic food, water, healthcare, and education were provided for free you would only have the basics to survive, nothing for luxury or entertainment. ppl what nice things and to be able to enjoy them, they work to be able to acquire those things unfortunately in our system most ppl end up working not to be able to afford luxuries but to be able simply afford to stay alive and feed there children. this is slavery.
thewaterwillcome 1 year ago
@thewaterwillcome Collectivist dictatorship is not contradictory. What is a communist / socialist dictatorship?
In regards to your other comment, it is not slavery, it is survival. Luxury items are not owed to you regardless of the fact that people want them. You work to survive. at least in theory. It has always been thus. The idea that you should work for luxuries is a modern concept. Or misconception.
OurBackToTheDark 1 year ago
@OurBackToTheDark dictators who call themselves socialist doso to remain in power they violate the principles of socialism. im suggesting that things required for survival should not be part of a free market, but should be provided to all who need them so they dnt die. not providing these goods when there is plenty to go around is indirect murder. when ppl must put all effort into menial labor they have no time or energy to be involved in their gov. resulting in the erosion of democracy.
thewaterwillcome 1 year ago
@thewaterwillcome Of course, at the upper echelons of socialist systems there is an inherent hypocrisy that elevates the leaders above the citizens. Disregarding this fact, I am obviously referring to the rest of the functioning society, not including the small corrupt minority.
You seem to have a fairly strong left lean. You expect the government to provide everything a person needs to live. If this is done, people realize they do not need to work and the society is economically eroded.
OurBackToTheDark 1 year ago
@OurBackToTheDark i expect the gov to provide eveything a person needs to not die. your assuming ppl only work to live. then why do middle class workers continue their hard work? why does a rich person spend more time at the office than at home? ppl work to better themselves not just to survive. if your argument were true there would be no ambition, once a person was getting paid enough not to starve to death their work effort would plateau and the economy would have already eroded.
thewaterwillcome 1 year ago
Noam Chomsky has so much power.
poopster102 1 year ago
There is never any justification to remove a persons freedom - live free or die !
We live under control - to control a person you must first remove their freedom !
governments have made slavery legitimate even getting us to vote to choose who enslaves us !
free ; the state of existence exempt from authority, rule or control !
godkingofthepunks 1 year ago
@dro305 Go read Condition of the Working Class in 1844 by Freidrich Engels you fool. It perfectly outlines the conditions imposed by the bourgeoisie on the proletariat and the continuous cycle of financial collapse, the only wrong assumption was that a communist revolution was imminent. Roughly every 10-20 years the capitalist bubble bursts again and again with increasingly more dire consequences, this fact is undeniable.
gamerguy69 1 year ago
@dro305 I think you misunderstand.
You ask how population can outpace jobs available, I say division of labour. Less workers producing more consumer products, may mean cheaper prices but also means more people out of work and less people to buy said products.
This continues on and on until there is a surplus of goods, workers are laid off en mass and suddenly nobody has any money to buy the consumer goods and the economy crashes. The same thing has been happening in many forms for many years.
gamerguy69 1 year ago
Just love Chomsky , shame the "free" midia in the USA is so censured by the filthy rich
GanzLONDON 1 year ago
@dro305 Three words; division of labour.
gamerguy69 1 year ago
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@dro305 You raise a good point which leads us to the next of course. What will happen once the growth of a population significantly out paces the given number of jobs? What will happen when technology finnally takes the place of 60% + of the human workforce? When there are an x number of healthy working age population greater than an x number of jobs available?
zaneshark 1 year ago
@dro305 This is the nightmare we will be facing in another 100 years if our insane governments don't destroy everything with their weopons of mass destruction.
zaneshark 1 year ago
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zaneshark 1 year ago
What should we recieve instead of wages? I just realized that my father gave me a wage when I worked foor him. My goodness, I was enslaved by my own father.
Maxx4446 1 year ago
Capitalism is the historic evolution of private property relationship of alienation,exploitation and suffering of humanity in a modality of commodity production for abstract process of capital accumulation and concentration . A system of wage slavery in an employment system of suppression and dehumanistion. We need to transcend this false limits to our creative cooperative energies for a moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity . Capitalism is evil
arzoyan 1 year ago 46
@arzoyan Or just let people work for, employ, sell to and buy from anyone they want in any way they want.
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Anyone who abuses anyone else deserves to starve to death in the dark because no one will do business with them.
CurtHowland 1 year ago
@arzoyan You're pretty good at that fluffy language. What are you taking? Sociology, communications, or something even less substantial?
theCrimosnBeard 1 year ago
@theCriOur progressive evolution is dependent upon the collapse of our current society with the opportunity of rebuilding a new world based on sustainable foundation that is in harmony with the planet.. Only with complete transparancy wiil we be able to chart a more viable future for humanity. Quantum physics emphasizes a fundamental truth the" observer creates the world". Once we share the planet as ONE HUMAN COMMUNITY IN COOPERATION can the entire population make history consciously
arzoyan 1 year ago 2
@arzoyan Communism doesn't work, idiot. It's all very well spouting drivel about living in a utopia, but it can't work. Keep dreaming.
OurBackToTheDark 1 year ago
@Our What you have been fed as Communism was State Capitalist tyrannical regime and the Chinese example is dancing a close Tango with USA plc.
arzoyan 1 year ago
@arzoyan You seem to always, rather eloquently, sum up the pernicious nature of the socio-economic and political systems of exploitation and subjugation born out of Western culture.
salahudeenabduladl 1 year ago
@arzoyan Capitalism is simply the right to own property and sell products. It is not responsible for anything other than that. Socialism is state slavery so the government can have total power and wealth at the expense of the poor. Hitler was a socialist, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were all firstly socialists.
warriorprince1010 1 year ago
@warriorprince1010 You are deluded,manipulated,dominated for wage slavery.
arzoyan 1 year ago
@arzoyan No I hate socialism, that is wage slavery.
warriorprince1010 1 year ago
@arzoyan Then everyone has to own their own property and be able to do with it as they please. A lack of property is the only reason people give into wage slavery along with psychological endoctrination. If you have your own land and understand that living freely means taking care of your own needs yourself you cannot be enslaved. We all need our own private property. Enough to grow or kill for our own food and dig/gather our own water.
Luigi84289 1 year ago
@arzoyan Then why the hell are you using youtube, which is a hub for EVIL capitalistic advertisements, or the internet for that matter which was created as a project to share corporate information databases. Why the hell are you using a system created on the supposed sweat, toil, blood, tears, and labor of the "oppressed people"? How about this, rather then blowing propaganda out your ass you go move to cuba and join their glorious proletariat?
davedavedaveannoy1 10 months ago
@arzoyan I have to admit though, that I was much happier before Chomsky brought to my attention the stark and frightening similarities between chattled and wage slavery..and their linked origins. As he also points out, we've become so indoctrinated by these illusory notions of 'democracy' and a 'free press',that we've learned not to see that which is before our very eyes.
I dont enjoy being pessimistic, but I dont foresee this changing any time soon... if ever.
comanchio1976 9 months ago 18
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@comanch Capitalism is the process of the denial and limit to our common humanity in a web of monetary alienation,distortions,,exploitation and deception to an outdated structrual minority imposition of CLASS RULE. Quantum physics, scientific insight is systematically revealing the enormous potential for mankind to transcend the false limits of current impasse. A majority democratic conscious movement to share the EARTH in COOPERATION for our common needs and well being is the UNIFICATION.
arzoyan 6 months ago
@comanchio1976 "but I dont foresee this changing any time soon... if ever."
You are quite the pessimist. Fundamental changes have before occurred in society, as we've seen with civil rights movements. The major impetus is poor living conditions, something that seems unavoidable as the US dollar begins to slump, and climate change starts to chomp at the bit. It may be painful and dangerous, and we may never ourselves see it, but someday, there must be change.
Keinlicht 6 months ago
@Keinlicht II certainly hope so, I'd fight the good fight if the time ever came.
I used to feel the same way you do, but so many examples of Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm have come to fruition, that it's hard for me to prop up any real optimism on the matter. I know it's a cliche, but I see myself as a realist more than a pessimist.
comanchio1976 5 months ago
@comanchio1976 Well, perhaps you're right. It may well be that none of us will see legitimate, social, democratic change.
But it seems evident that in every period in history there are opportunities for popular struggle. If we think they're not really there, it's harder to identify those openings to push back the rights of concentrated power systems in favor of the rights of people, I think.
Keinlicht 5 months ago
@comanchio1976 well, the global awakaning can help! we should at least try, don't you think? Lets do it. Lets change it, we can make it, we are educated, we have the internet. Another world IS possible!!! all over the world millions of people are demontrating right now! Take the streets on October 15th!! This is the first global demonstration ever, and its just the beggining.. The world revolution has started! yaaay!! lots of love to everyone
hastalueguito 4 months ago
@hastalueguito Thanks for the heads-up on the Oct 15, I had no idea. Will definitely make it if possible.
I do realise that what I wrote came off as defeatist, but I've by no means given up hope...it was more of an evaluation/prediction. I'm more than willing to fight the good fight!:)
comanchio1976 4 months ago
@comanchio1976 There is plenty of happiness to be had in the world even after you shed, your illusions, I think maybe more. You just have to learn to make your life work in accord with your beliefs and new found knowledge, that is just my advice and my 2cents...
acedshort 1 day ago
Friedman>Chomsky
examinfo 1 year ago
@examinfo I lol'd
ErrolSaid 1 year ago
NOAM CHOMSKY THE BRIGHTEST STAR IN THE DARKNESS OF USA
arzoyan 1 year ago 66
@arzoyan bull shit
elieakaMrextreme 1 year ago
@arzoyan More like a supernova in a blackhole!
BiggerThinking1 1 year ago
@arzoyan Noam Chomsky — the brightest star [period]
it's not like the rest of the world is much better than the US…
elmerScmelmer 1 year ago 3
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@elmerSc The evolution of recent human history has been dominated by minority control over the majority, the rulers have come up with nessesary illusion for compliance and servitude of the many, Science and technology has created a world of plenty, but the market mechanism is about artificial scarcity to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in a modality of war,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty and so on . The new paradigm is sharing the Earth for our collective needs and wellbeing
arzoyan 1 year ago
@elmerScmelmer
Very true.
WorldPeace4All6 1 year ago
I agree being forced to sell oneself is slavery.
AnarchoSyndicalistt 1 year ago
@AnarchoSyndicalistt What is your alternative? Someone should give you free money?
OurBackToTheDark 1 year ago
@OurBackToTheDark How about no money. A society where work is for the common good. Where labor is not a forced thing. Where all may have a place to live to make food and a end to slavery of all kinds. Money once abolished will make profiting impossible. A more equal society will be the alternative. Free of money and free of private property.
AnarchoSyndicalistt 1 year ago
@dro305 You think like a capitalist. Go and read Marx. Outperform his/her worker. If something belongs to me I cherish it, I look after it, I love it. Because it's mine, not some stinking rich exploitater. At Foxcom there are 400.000 workers minus those that committed suicide because of the pressure to OUTPERFORM. Go and preach your diseased capitalistic philosophy to their families, they will probably tear you apart limb by limb as should all capitalists be so treated. WE HATE YOU!!!
ludvan64 1 year ago
@dro305 Under the present system the worker has to have a job any contract is not voluntarily entered into, because the worker has no choice other than to starve. That is slavery. Yes it's socialism, and please don't say it failed in the USSR. It was never tried there. The USSR was state capitalism under a dictator.
ludvan64 1 year ago
@ludvan64 What would your alternative be? The government should look after you while you do no work?
OurBackToTheDark 1 year ago
@OurBackToTheDark Actually that is both my & my wife's situation. You see we are both invalids. Because we live in Israel, and our government adheres to Jewish values, not the Protestant work ethic, our combined pensions are higher than the average household income here. The argument here is that the workers should have sole control over what they produce. I.E. NO bosses. I lived on a kibbutz for a year, & that is how it worked, & it did work. I'm a work invalid, my wife is blind.
ludvan64 1 year ago
@dro305 The worker is a slave in that he/she does not control what he does, he/she is told what to do, and if refuses loses the job. He/she is a slave in that he/she does to reap the full value of what he/she produces. One person or a comparative small group of people are controlling a vast number of people. Only when the worker will have full control of what he/she does at the work place, and reap the full value of what is produced will it not be wage slavery.
ludvan64 1 year ago
@dro305 Are you telling me that in India and Cambodia and Vietnam where they are so impoverished that they'll work for 15 hours for a bowl of rice is actually a "voluntary" choice? How about a NO CHOICE! Thats more like it.
Do you realize that there are kids in theird world countries that have to work from dawn till next dawn to support their families? How is that volunteer in any way.
florencelovme 1 year ago
Capitalism, the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY to perpetuate wage-slavery/exploitation in the interest of the owning/ruling class. A tyrannical system of commodity production for the abstract process of accumulation and concentration of Capital in the contol of fewer and fewer . We must end this imposition of FALSE LIMITS for a world of cooperation for our common needs and well being in harmony within and without.
arzoyan 1 year ago 3
That you must work to escape poverty is a fact of life that no economic system can escape. Wage Slavery was an invention of pro-slavery southerners prior to the civil war to justify the existence of actual slavery in the north. In practice it capitalism which grants workers the most freedom.
meadbert 1 year ago
'Wage Labour and Capital
Thus capital can make a profit because people can produce more in a day than they need to live, or to put it another way, the value of labour power is less than a full days labour. The whole trick reduces to the problem: how to get the workers to work longer than needed to earn the equivalent of their own needs and then get hold of that surplus labour. The secret of this trick lies in wage labour.'
marxists org
glossary
Guevaristas 1 year ago
Google: Individualism The Myth of Wage Slavery
JohnScott700 1 year ago
i wish he would explain how libertarian came to mean capitalist in the usa
xkeltoix 1 year ago
@xkeltoix
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Does a little better here.
MilanTbay 1 year ago
we will always be slaves unless our minds are free to think and grow.
even the rich are slaves, slaves to greed.
we are enslaved by our ignorance, and the ignorance of others. only when everyone becomes enlightened will we be truly free.
IC2MANYSTUFF 2 years ago
IC2MANYSTUFF, finally one person here that talks sense.
Yes, absolutely. And that slavery depends only on oneself. It is only up to the individual, each spec