Slavoj Zizek - Civilization and Its Discontents

[skepticalcloud]

when??

o.k.

you also...

you also...

[GrampawUniverse]

i Am uneasy in culture

[MalditoNihilista]

ANAL

YSIS

[mehmetursan]

he is correct in saying that every culture has its own norms and these norms are subject to misinterpretation BUT one of the bigger problems is that I can't understand what this guy is saying, I wish it was written somewhere.

[123gwf]

I love psycho anal.

[alifeofreason]

Wonderful!

[BroAdsoTube]

@warriorprince1010 - Before the 1919 Revolution, Russia was the most backwards state in Europe, still just barely post-Renaissance. Whatever the evils of Soviet authoritarian communism, no serious historian would debate its effectiveness in transforming the new state of the Soviet Union into an industrialized, scientifically and materially productive society worlds away from what it was in 1919.

[aqueenowlbee]

@BroAdsoTube they may have become indusrialized but, when they became communist they became even more backwards. they became primitive. no serious historian would give that nightmare credit for anything. the ends do not justify the means.

[warriorprince1010]

A communist loon, pointing out the imperfections in capitalism and ignoring the total and utter failure of communism.

[nickshel]

@warriorprince1010 Oh its good you're so knowledgable. I've been looking for someone to help me for while: Firstly, What exactly is communism? Secondly, How did Communism fail Russia if before Communism they had less autonomy and far less industrialisation? Thirdly, If Communists are loons, then why does a substantial amount of the academic world follow that inclination? Finally, and what would be most helpful, If Capitalism is flawed and Communism a total utter failure, what should we do?

[warriorprince1010]

@nickshel Russia and Finland were at the same level of development up until 1945. After 1945 Finland put faith in democracy, education and free markets. Centralist system, and now their average wage is now 4 times higher than Russia. So socialism failed, yet democratic capitalism worked.

[nickshel]

@warriorprince1010 Just one answer? Firstly Russia and Finland were NOT on the same level of development up until 1945. Russia turned socialist around 1917/18 before this it went through universal civil war (meaning that development would have been massively backtracked). Later Stalin, leader of "Communist" Russia created a self-sufficient state (food, energy and all) that developed a 50 year gap in only 10 years. Russia = Massive. Average wage? Population size. 10 years of economic growth.

[warriorprince1010]

@nickshel Finland and Russia had the same GDP per person in 1945, fact, not up for debate. Good education, a rule of law and a free market made them rich, State planned economies and socialism made Russia poor.

[nickshel]

@warriorprince1010 Hahaha. So you present that as fact do you? Could you please give the source since in 1945 and for quite a while after, Russia had an unknown population size. Also please use per capita, not per person, it sounds better. You're not going to be able to convince me that you're right by repetition and magicked up facts. So far you've used hyperbole and ignorant opinion to try get your point across. Please try and be more intellectual, or at least more academic in your arguments.

[warriorprince1010]

@nickshel Google Russia inventions. Russia before socialism [state planned economy] was a first world country.

[nickshel]

@warriorprince1010 Before socialism Russia had a fuedal system. Peasants had no right to control land so they had to work for others to survive. They were serfs. The Tsar was in complete control and could kill whoever he wanted, whenever he wanted. You're telling me that in the feudal system they didn't have a state planned economy? Googling Russia inventions didn't get me far apart from learning that their scientific development was a lot greater under communism, and before under the Tsar.

[warriorprince1010]

@nickshel "scientific development was a lot greater under communism, and before under the Tsar. "...google search shows the exact opposite. So because a feudal system was slavery then socialism and state slavery was ok? Typical idiotic way of defending socialism. Feudal system, monarchies and socialism are the same thing...statism. Where the state runs everything and people are slaves. Democratic capitalism as we have seen works much better.

[nickshel]

@warriorprince1010 Under the Soviet union Russia got the first man in space. Under the Tsar a Russian came up with the periodic table. My google search showed that but I already knew that. In the arms race with America Russia invented far more than any other time. Democratic capitalism may give individual freedoms, you may be able to choose what brand of ketchup you buy but it never gives true liberty. It enslaves people behind money, greed and debt. Look up positive and negative freedom.

[warriorprince1010]

@nickshel So you agree with me? The arms race bankrupted the Soviet Union it did not the USA. Russia invented less during the arms race. Most of what they did they had to copy from the west as they fell so far behind. Before socialism Russia made achievements in industry, medicine, science afterward the only achievements were in military and as we have said those were mainly copied and resulted in bankruptcy. Freedom as to who governs you and what you buy is good.

[nickshel]

@warriorprince1010 You need to stop making assumptions. Besides did you not know that Russia got the first person in space? copying?The USA did not invent more in the technology race, otherwise it would not be a race. That's the whole point. Stop making up facts. The soviet union was not bankrupt. The only freedom that capitalism offers is what you buy, democracy is not the same thing as capitalism. Socialist russia made massive achievements in Industry, where is this information coming from

[aqueenowlbee]

@nickshel capitalisnm and democracy go hand in hand. real capitalism.

[nickshel]

@warriorprince1010 wn[dot]com/author_Reagan's_Col­d_War_Arms_Race_did_not_bankru­pt_Soviet_Union

[warriorprince1010]

@nickshel The - Soviet Union - went -bankrupt - the USA- did -not.

[auxili160]

@nickshel russian communism wasn't 'really' communism, it was an interpreted version of it. it was essentially a corrupt version of marx's communism (meaning it tried to be communal without having a communal power structure).

read marx's works if you wish to understand capitalism and communism and the ideas they're formed of

[nickshel]

@auxili160 Oh I know lol. I've read Das Kapital and the Communist Manifesto, I was just having a little fun with ignorance.

[auxili160]

@nickshel oh :P i didnt read the whole chain of comments :)

[martynjjc2]

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[auxili160]

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[copyzawa]

What's he saying on

1:42 "we are out of ??? not ???"

I'm translating some of Zizek's videos on Youtube.

[chicharahill]

"we are out of joint not at home in culture as such..

at least i think he is saying this:)

[chicharahill]

by the way what language are you translating his videos in?

[copyzawa]

thanks! into Japanese.

[shortyguy303]

we are out of joint, not at home in culture as such

[eDionysus]

Dear @copyzawa it is 'we are out of joint', which means that we are not connected, dis-jointed, joint = point of connection, and 'not at home', not "at home" in society , in the Symbolic, in the World, that is, disjointed.

[adrianmh1919]

@copyzawa Unbehagen, 'unease', as in Das Unbehagen in der Kultur

[MALARKISTKOBY]

where is the rest of this?

[ReveredSnarpgl]

It comes from the documentary Zizek!.