Newts the deal with American Crap? This guy just another bush and standard republican that got us into this mess in the first place. This shows South Carolina I.Q. count and the stereotype for southerns here.
Republican strategists have been able to blend their astute grasp of marketing principles, human nature, & social psychology into a formula that delivers almost guaranteed success at the polls...Republicans have calmly focused their attention on winning The Image Campaign. Quite simply: Democrats lose because they don’t understand what moves their target audience. nontrivialpursuitsDOTorg/republican_nemesisDOThtm
In other words blame the niggas, spics, fags and jews but not AMERICANS
To space4099, your speech is so obvious you are a Obama lover who has done nothing but placed practically all of the blacks on welfare and kisses ass to the Muslims. Soon we will allow prayer rugs in public schools and the white house
This is what the republicans offer: An old wife cheating liar, a wealthy smug waffle iron, an obvious repressed homophobe slash religious nut case and Ron paul, I do not know what his real bag is, but it is extreme. Not one or any of the others who dropped out represent the majority of Americans. They are all so negative and anti everything they more or less represent the leadership of countries you do not want to live in let alone select as the person that is to decide how you will live.
Republicans crack me up! A man who cheated on two wives and resigned from the speaker position for ethics violations? The best you've got. Well, there's the Christian guy who wants to run this country out of the Bible. There's the Mormon who gutted American corporations to make a profit...
And, let's not forget the old guy who wants racism as an institution again...
Obama will be reelected for sure unless he is caught standing on a puppy's head...
ALL YOU PEOPLE WHATEVER COLOR YOU NEED TO WAKE UP AND RECOGNIZE THAT AMERICAN REVOLUTION WAR FOUGHT OVER SLAVERY SO DO NOT THINK BLACKS OWE YOU ANYTHING CAUSE YOU JUST IN OUR FIGHT FOR FREEDOM. DUNMORE'S PROCLAMATION YOU STUPID CRACKERS LOOK IT UP BEFORE YOU TRY TO PAD YOURSELF ON THE BACK.
When voters examine the records of both leading establishment candidates, they’ll see a history of support for bailouts, massive spending, health care mandates, gun control, union boss power grabs, Cap-and-Trade, and more destructive policies.
Ron Paul’s six point plan puts a stop to illegal immigration:
Physically secure our borders and coastlines
Enforce visa rules
No amnesty.
No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
As we can see the rich goldman sachs,freddy mac and Fannie mae's win again. How can these people forget what Mitt,obama and Newt have done?Get this through you heads,they do not represent the people,you are nothing but peasants to them.
Memory refresher
Newt =people forced to bailed out Freddy mac,he made1.6 million
Mitt = King of Bain,closed companies,put money in his pocket,people lost jobs.
Obama = loss of freedoms,NDAA, etc
Ron Paul = For the people,stop NDAA,stop paying illegal aliens
well i see that the real powers that be have decided ol Newt is gonna carry on the agenda and that the diebold voting machines are still working there magic even after 2000... Im glad I stopped voting or paying attention or my blood pressure would be through the roof... If this country boy can figure out that there really isnt two parties why cant the rest of america? save your time and frustration... dont vote... it wont change anything or they wouldnt allow us to do it
Foridians vote January 31st, hopefully they have more common sense than South Carolinians. I sure wish Callista would get rid of that awful bleached, blonde helmet hairdo, plus she might consider a nose job...Newt needs to lose about 100 pounds...HaHa If Gingrich wins the GOP nomination, we Republicans will spend another 4 years in the hinterlands...
He didnt spend any money in the state. Has no organization. Has to cancel an appearance due to little to no supporters attending. He wins the primary at 40%. Diabold and MSM media spin at work. Disgusting.
The best is Ron Paul, so he wont win and this newt fella wont win either, Obama will be back, no doubt bout it. American elections are very predictable.
Which disaster was bigger, Newt? Obama or your $300,000 fine?
What garbage, nice going lunatic American citizens. This guy is total garbage, yet you vote for him knowing his corrupt record? This is one politician you never have to guess what he will be like in office. He's a liar and that is very well documented!
The U.S. will never learn from past mistakes, it is as though the majority of the population lives in a state of idiocracy.
you know, I'm not really sure if you are a leftist, who's against anything republican by default or you are just against Ron Pauls message, either way you are misguided. You obviously hate liberty and individual freedoms. You must be in favor all the wars that has been going on for the last decade. So in short, a typical inbred redneck...
I trust Chuck Norris more than I trust Ron Paul; admittedly I don't trust Ron Paul much anyways with the whole racist newsletters and his dealings with George Soros.
right, because it makes so much more sense to concentrate on some 2 decades old letters that wasn't even written by the man but completely overlook immoral things Newt has done over the years. The thing with his wife(s) for example...
@Kukainis The fact that he won't own up to them is the problem. It's more than just the new letters, as he has recieved funding from White supremacists and he hasn't resturned the money even when he knew where it came from. Ron Paul has the support of the infamous White Supremacists like David Duke.
The thing with his wife is of a personal matter and that's turning politics into a soap opera.
believ me, if there was anything, and I mean ANYTHING that could be dug up by mainstream media about Ron Paul, they would be all over it. So I don't think it is true...
@Kukainis You can't just rely on the mainstream media, do your own research it's not hard to do.
If you're gonna limit yourself to the mainstream media than your clearly not trying to keep knowledgeable about the world, to the best of your ability.
I never did suggest you should rely on mainstream media. Actually it's kinda ironic to say that to a Ron Paul supporter, because mainstream media has been the last instance where you are able to find any information about the guy. What I said had a completely different meaning, that is, you can be sure they will dig up all of the dirt someone has done over the years. That is one thing mainstream media is very good at.
And since the worst thing they reported on Ron Paul were those letter, I would suggest there isn't much else to dig up about the guy...
Any ways, you are given a candidate that truly supports human liberties and personal freedoms. A candidate that is against offensive wars and for peaceful relationship with other countries. All other candidates want to continue the same failed policies. Why on earth would you overlook all these things? Makes no sense to me...
@Kukainis Your assuming that the mainstream media will do your job for you.
I have given my reasons for why I am against Ron Paul. He works with the likes of George Soros and has the backing of White supremacists. Just look at the typical ghoulish forums for White supremacists and you'll see that they support Ron Paul
The guy is so obsessed with the free market that he is missing what will make this an Asian century and that is smart governance; not blind adoration of the free market
I'm assuming no such thing, I don't even know why your implying that...
Also, smart governance like that of Obama or Bush ? Is it smart to start new wars ? Is it smart to expand the government ? Is it smart to give taxpayers money to Wall street banks ? I think you should get your priorities fixed...
And by the way, the guy is a libertarian, so by default he can't be a racist. Doesn't make any sense.
@Kukainis Bush is a neo-con, Obama is an Islamist, Wall Street tool. Smart governance as in protecting home industries and domestic jobs. Commitment to controlling immigration.
How does being a libertarian stop you from being a racist? The guy wants to end social security and afirmative action. Is that not going to adversely affect Black people?
Blacks and ethnic minorities get screwed over by the "free market" because a more accurate term would be crony capitalism.
Libertarians value people by their individuality and never by race.How do you suppose he could be arguing for equal right for everybody and be racist at the same time ?
And ending social security and other immoral government programs will help people in the long run, because it wont continue generation of people that are dependent on state for their welfare. State has never been the solution, it has always been the problem.
@Kukainis Because of the lottery of birth. Some people are born with a silver spoon in their mouths, others are born into strife and poverty. Libertarianism will not remove social ills. Look at Brazil wher Black people don't have the same socialist polices and they are very underprivelaged. That is why they are clamouring for American-tyle policies to help them out.
So you can see how people without state intervention aren't any better off and in fact they try hard to get help.
if you care for poor people then donate to charity. There is a huge difference if I give my money to a poor person willingly, or the money is taken from me at a gunpoint (taxation) for later distribution that I can't control and which usually gets stolen or misused anyway. Simply take a look at any government program and see if they've done a good job so far with your tax money. Look at education, or medicare...
@Kukainis Hate to be a spoil sport but as there is an old adage about death and taxes.Besides, studies show that wealthier people have less empathy. They won't donate out of the goodness of their heart. There are plenty of taxes that I disagree with, like inheritance tax. What alternative do you propose? Are businesses going to just give the public education and healthcare? They're too busy offshoring jobs and evading taxes.
Why would anyone offshore jobs if there were no taxes ? And the fact that you have to ask whether businesses would provide public education and healthcare alone shows you've never really looked into the whole free market and libertarian solution. Of course those would be provided by private sector. It wouldn't be for free but the value of such education would be much much higher then that provided by state at the moment.
@Kukainis Of ocourse they would because of wages. Hahahaha some sectors of the private sector maybe and that's the problem. They aren't for the general public. Seriously though, how is it that you libertarian types never look at places where governance virtually does not exis and realise that it is not a utopia, like Somalia.
And the price would not be high because state would not be involved (state usually cripples anything it touches) and of course the factor of competitiveness would drive the prices down.
And btw, I'm no expert about Brazil, but I know that the growth they had for the last couple of years is due to the additional freedoms they incorporated in their markets. Another example is China. The growth they have is because they move away socialism towards free market.
@Kukainis Lol China didn't free up their banks to the extent where they picked up toxic U.S. debts. The free market is great but it is not perfect. It's subject to human greed and stupidity, to which there is plenty of.
I agree, it's not perfect, but involving government only makes things worse. You can't have corruption in free market and that makes all the difference...
@Kukainis Involving government makes it worse? The Chinese government made sure the country wasn't bogged down with toxic debts. Please live in Somalia if you want your libertarian dreams of living in country with no government.
Then why didn't US government make sure there are no "toxic assets" banks ? Surely, US government is superior to the Chinese...
And btw, since when is Somalia some kind of a libertarian dream ? It is ruled by warlords...
The lack of government alone doesn't make a better society (although it is an important step). You have to get rid of all the violence and government is one of the worst type of violence there is, because it has monopoly on force.
@Kukainis Because the banks own the government. They banks set up their own reglatory bodies and the control the fed.
Somalia doesn't have a government which makes it a libetarian dream because there is no eveil greater than the government.
The Arab Spring shows that the reality is that you need a strong man. Now that Hosni Mubarak is gone, the Islamists are in power and it was really the dictators that kept a veneer of secularism. In other words, government is a necessary evil.
Yes, banks own the government, you pointed that out very well. And because people who run the banks are greedy bastards (that's just the nature of man, you can't change that) they will eventually bribe any kind of government body to get what they want, be it softer regulatory terms or legislation (like SOPA for example). The difference between libertarians and liberals in general is the that libertarians want to kill the cause of the corruption.
@Kukainis But this is the free market, if they are doing what they want without government interference. They did it so that they could make money, how do free market libertarians plan on fighting that?
so that there is no one to bribe, while libertarians want to increase the size of the government. All itdoes is create more bureaucracy (which costs even more money for tax payers in form of taxes or inflation) but the banks can still own the government. They can still bribe politicians and get them to do what they want...
Somalia doesn't have a free market economy. That is the libertarian way, not the no government part. Government is just an obstacle you remove along the way...
And regarding Egypt, if the people willingly elect an Islamic force in power, then obviously they are not ready for a secular society and it would be wrong to impose one on them against their will.
@Kukainis Libertarianism sounds a damn lot like Communism; wonderful in theory but not all that great in practice. Like communism, you rely far too much on the good nature of people. You think that people can be completely free of coercion and not act selfishly, driven by short-term aims.
If the Egyptians vote in the Islamists then it's bad for everybody. It'll hurt tourism and make the region more radical. The dictators were bad but what is come will be worse than the dictators.
NEWT LIKES WILD SEX, 3SOMES, NOT PAYING TAXES ... AND DIVORCE
Ron paul delivered babies for free instead of taking tax dollars from medicaid
GOOD JOB S.C.
shootnmove 1 day ago
AND THE VERDICT IS IN ....
South Carolina is still full of ignorant rednecks who dont know how to vote
R.P. 4 PRES
shootnmove 1 day ago
Wonder why so many dislikes... Ron Paul's 14 year old's at it again.
XChineseNewYearX 6 days ago
South Carolina is ranked last in Education in the USA.
dclaver2 1 week ago
Newt?? 0_o WHAT THE HECK SC??
Patriotman1990 3 weeks ago
BISCUIT HEAD NEWT DID NOT WIN SHIT AND NEVER HAS FAKE FAKE FAKE
HAIRLANDSECURITY 3 weeks ago
I have respect for Mr. Gingrich but he's a disaster to our economy according to his policy. The man with the chubby cheeks.
Cavin21 4 weeks ago
I'm changing parties!
Pil0sake 1 month ago
Newts the deal with American Crap? This guy just another bush and standard republican that got us into this mess in the first place. This shows South Carolina I.Q. count and the stereotype for southerns here.
starknight97 1 month ago
South Carolina. W T F ? ? ?
lmtlsss 1 month ago
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Republican strategists have been able to blend their astute grasp of marketing principles, human nature, & social psychology into a formula that delivers almost guaranteed success at the polls...Republicans have calmly focused their attention on winning The Image Campaign. Quite simply: Democrats lose because they don’t understand what moves their target audience. nontrivialpursuitsDOTorg/republican_nemesisDOThtm
In other words blame the niggas, spics, fags and jews but not AMERICANS
J5MARLON 1 month ago
To space4099, your speech is so obvious you are a Obama lover who has done nothing but placed practically all of the blacks on welfare and kisses ass to the Muslims. Soon we will allow prayer rugs in public schools and the white house
soljonas 1 month ago
Great candidate and message.
newportbeachsailor 1 month ago
ahoy there. .fine up standing fellow ,got to be better than the darkie spear chucker obama..tally ho !!!
oldenglishpipesmoker 1 month ago
You people in sc make me sick.
tony31w 1 month ago
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Newt for PRESIDENT..
IMurderdTheDevil 1 month ago
This is what the republicans offer: An old wife cheating liar, a wealthy smug waffle iron, an obvious repressed homophobe slash religious nut case and Ron paul, I do not know what his real bag is, but it is extreme. Not one or any of the others who dropped out represent the majority of Americans. They are all so negative and anti everything they more or less represent the leadership of countries you do not want to live in let alone select as the person that is to decide how you will live.
space4099 1 month ago
Republicans crack me up! A man who cheated on two wives and resigned from the speaker position for ethics violations? The best you've got. Well, there's the Christian guy who wants to run this country out of the Bible. There's the Mormon who gutted American corporations to make a profit...
And, let's not forget the old guy who wants racism as an institution again...
Obama will be reelected for sure unless he is caught standing on a puppy's head...
masercot 1 month ago
ALL YOU PEOPLE WHATEVER COLOR YOU NEED TO WAKE UP AND RECOGNIZE THAT AMERICAN REVOLUTION WAR FOUGHT OVER SLAVERY SO DO NOT THINK BLACKS OWE YOU ANYTHING CAUSE YOU JUST IN OUR FIGHT FOR FREEDOM. DUNMORE'S PROCLAMATION YOU STUPID CRACKERS LOOK IT UP BEFORE YOU TRY TO PAD YOURSELF ON THE BACK.
KEVLANEW80 1 month ago
Im shocked, I really thought Mitt was a shoe-in
2014gaga 1 month ago
If our Party wants to beat President Obama, it must choose a nominee who can provide a clear contrast to his administration.
*** Cutting $1 trillion in spending during the first year of my presidency.
*** Eliminating five bloated, unconstitutional federal agencies and returning those powers to the states.
*** Balancing the federal budget in three years.
*** Securing our borders and getting serious about keeping this nation safe.
Ron Paul
vic4rp 1 month ago
When voters examine the records of both leading establishment candidates, they’ll see a history of support for bailouts, massive spending, health care mandates, gun control, union boss power grabs, Cap-and-Trade, and more destructive policies.
Ron Paul
vic4rp 1 month ago
Ron Paul’s six point plan puts a stop to illegal immigration:
Physically secure our borders and coastlines
Enforce visa rules
No amnesty.
No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
End birthright citizenship.
Pass true immigration reform
vic4rp 1 month ago
As we can see the rich goldman sachs,freddy mac and Fannie mae's win again. How can these people forget what Mitt,obama and Newt have done?Get this through you heads,they do not represent the people,you are nothing but peasants to them.
Memory refresher
Newt =people forced to bailed out Freddy mac,he made1.6 million
Mitt = King of Bain,closed companies,put money in his pocket,people lost jobs.
Obama = loss of freedoms,NDAA, etc
Ron Paul = For the people,stop NDAA,stop paying illegal aliens
vic4rp 1 month ago
hes a scam and people cheer his for warmongering
imnotsickimjustaboy 1 month ago
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The BLOVIATING BLOAT from Ga. does 3 things well
1. Eat
2. Fuck women other than his wife
3. run his chicken hawk mouth ad nauseum.
felled 1 month ago
Obama kills the pipeline, get him Newt.
Politicalboxers 1 month ago
this is a disgrace,a guy who is getting standing ovation for adultery ...
crocofanul 1 month ago
@crocofanul totally agree. remember the debate where Perry got ovation for how may people were executed in Texas.
416mcp 1 month ago
Can't wait to see Newt debate Obama on the Keystone pipeline issue!! Sick em Newt!
isk8er100 1 month ago
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I worry that all the focus on Newt Gingrich's adultery will distract from the fact that he is also a racist asshole.
AtlasShruggery 1 month ago
well i see that the real powers that be have decided ol Newt is gonna carry on the agenda and that the diebold voting machines are still working there magic even after 2000... Im glad I stopped voting or paying attention or my blood pressure would be through the roof... If this country boy can figure out that there really isnt two parties why cant the rest of america? save your time and frustration... dont vote... it wont change anything or they wouldnt allow us to do it
ALcamping 1 month ago
SIc'em Newt 2012!!!!
cowboyshooter1 1 month ago 2
Comments about his wife and her hair?What does that have to do with policy?
12es16 1 month ago
Foridians vote January 31st, hopefully they have more common sense than South Carolinians. I sure wish Callista would get rid of that awful bleached, blonde helmet hairdo, plus she might consider a nose job...Newt needs to lose about 100 pounds...HaHa If Gingrich wins the GOP nomination, we Republicans will spend another 4 years in the hinterlands...
lenahc1987 1 month ago
It has to be a fraude wote.
pellenyberg 1 month ago
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I think A CHICKENHAWK wins in South Carolina just like Michele Bachmann wins on IOWA. See what next.
louielamson2000 1 month ago
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS !!!!!!!
what type of ignorant fool would vote for Gingrich !!!!!?
GARLlCjr 1 month ago
I hope someone deport all maxicans
Thundernium 1 month ago
He didnt spend any money in the state. Has no organization. Has to cancel an appearance due to little to no supporters attending. He wins the primary at 40%. Diabold and MSM media spin at work. Disgusting.
bladeproject1 1 month ago
The best is Ron Paul, so he wont win and this newt fella wont win either, Obama will be back, no doubt bout it. American elections are very predictable.
concernedagain 1 month ago 3
America, prepare to have a total skank as your first lady hahahaha
gerwazjana 1 month ago
i will lose the little hope i had for the americans if this guy or obama gets elected
lilbigbrow 1 month ago
Which disaster was bigger, Newt? Obama or your $300,000 fine?
What garbage, nice going lunatic American citizens. This guy is total garbage, yet you vote for him knowing his corrupt record? This is one politician you never have to guess what he will be like in office. He's a liar and that is very well documented!
The U.S. will never learn from past mistakes, it is as though the majority of the population lives in a state of idiocracy.
nDelphi 1 month ago
Newt is an abomination. Obama in 2012
Fringe111 1 month ago
@Fringe111 Grinch,Romney, Obama, Santorum. They are all Goldman Sachs stooges.
bladeproject1 1 month ago
the vote is rigged
dooooooer 1 month ago 4
rigged!!
dooooooer 1 month ago
thats right only in america can wackjobs win
manofempire 1 month ago
this is disgrace. C'mon Americans, get your shit together, vote Ron Paul !
Kukainis 1 month ago 9
@Kukainis
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!! Cold hard reality in you idealistic, pot-smoking faces! I fucking LOVE it!
TheKanagawaboy 1 month ago
@TheKanagawaboy
what is it exactly you love so much ?
Kukainis 1 month ago
@Kukainis
Oh you know, anarchy, suffering, watching immoral shitbags like yourselves not get what they want. Fun stuff.
TheKanagawaboy 1 month ago
@TheKanagawaboy
you know, I'm not really sure if you are a leftist, who's against anything republican by default or you are just against Ron Pauls message, either way you are misguided. You obviously hate liberty and individual freedoms. You must be in favor all the wars that has been going on for the last decade. So in short, a typical inbred redneck...
Kukainis 1 month ago
@Kukainis Chuck Norris backs Newt.
I trust Chuck Norris more than I trust Ron Paul; admittedly I don't trust Ron Paul much anyways with the whole racist newsletters and his dealings with George Soros.
tarantinoisahack 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@tarantinoisahack
right, because it makes so much more sense to concentrate on some 2 decades old letters that wasn't even written by the man but completely overlook immoral things Newt has done over the years. The thing with his wife(s) for example...
Kukainis 1 month ago
@Kukainis The fact that he won't own up to them is the problem. It's more than just the new letters, as he has recieved funding from White supremacists and he hasn't resturned the money even when he knew where it came from. Ron Paul has the support of the infamous White Supremacists like David Duke.
The thing with his wife is of a personal matter and that's turning politics into a soap opera.
tarantinoisahack 1 month ago
@tarantinoisahack
you are full of shit and you know it...
Kukainis 1 month ago
@Kukainis That's not much of a rebuttal pal.
tarantinoisahack 1 month ago
@tarantinoisahack
believ me, if there was anything, and I mean ANYTHING that could be dug up by mainstream media about Ron Paul, they would be all over it. So I don't think it is true...
Kukainis 4 weeks ago
@Kukainis You can't just rely on the mainstream media, do your own research it's not hard to do.
If you're gonna limit yourself to the mainstream media than your clearly not trying to keep knowledgeable about the world, to the best of your ability.
tarantinoisahack 4 weeks ago
@tarantinoisahack
I never did suggest you should rely on mainstream media. Actually it's kinda ironic to say that to a Ron Paul supporter, because mainstream media has been the last instance where you are able to find any information about the guy. What I said had a completely different meaning, that is, you can be sure they will dig up all of the dirt someone has done over the years. That is one thing mainstream media is very good at.
Kukainis 4 weeks ago
@tarantinoisahack
And since the worst thing they reported on Ron Paul were those letter, I would suggest there isn't much else to dig up about the guy...
Any ways, you are given a candidate that truly supports human liberties and personal freedoms. A candidate that is against offensive wars and for peaceful relationship with other countries. All other candidates want to continue the same failed policies. Why on earth would you overlook all these things? Makes no sense to me...
Kukainis 4 weeks ago
@Kukainis Your assuming that the mainstream media will do your job for you.
I have given my reasons for why I am against Ron Paul. He works with the likes of George Soros and has the backing of White supremacists. Just look at the typical ghoulish forums for White supremacists and you'll see that they support Ron Paul
The guy is so obsessed with the free market that he is missing what will make this an Asian century and that is smart governance; not blind adoration of the free market
tarantinoisahack 4 weeks ago
@tarantinoisahack
I'm assuming no such thing, I don't even know why your implying that...
Also, smart governance like that of Obama or Bush ? Is it smart to start new wars ? Is it smart to expand the government ? Is it smart to give taxpayers money to Wall street banks ? I think you should get your priorities fixed...
And by the way, the guy is a libertarian, so by default he can't be a racist. Doesn't make any sense.
Kukainis 4 weeks ago
@Kukainis Bush is a neo-con, Obama is an Islamist, Wall Street tool. Smart governance as in protecting home industries and domestic jobs. Commitment to controlling immigration.
How does being a libertarian stop you from being a racist? The guy wants to end social security and afirmative action. Is that not going to adversely affect Black people?
Blacks and ethnic minorities get screwed over by the "free market" because a more accurate term would be crony capitalism.
tarantinoisahack 4 weeks ago
@tarantinoisahack
Libertarians value people by their individuality and never by race.How do you suppose he could be arguing for equal right for everybody and be racist at the same time ?
And ending social security and other immoral government programs will help people in the long run, because it wont continue generation of people that are dependent on state for their welfare. State has never been the solution, it has always been the problem.
Kukainis 4 weeks ago
@Kukainis Because of the lottery of birth. Some people are born with a silver spoon in their mouths, others are born into strife and poverty. Libertarianism will not remove social ills. Look at Brazil wher Black people don't have the same socialist polices and they are very underprivelaged. That is why they are clamouring for American-tyle policies to help them out.
So you can see how people without state intervention aren't any better off and in fact they try hard to get help.
tarantinoisahack 4 weeks ago
@tarantinoisahack
if you care for poor people then donate to charity. There is a huge difference if I give my money to a poor person willingly, or the money is taken from me at a gunpoint (taxation) for later distribution that I can't control and which usually gets stolen or misused anyway. Simply take a look at any government program and see if they've done a good job so far with your tax money. Look at education, or medicare...
Kukainis 3 weeks ago
@Kukainis Hate to be a spoil sport but as there is an old adage about death and taxes.Besides, studies show that wealthier people have less empathy. They won't donate out of the goodness of their heart. There are plenty of taxes that I disagree with, like inheritance tax. What alternative do you propose? Are businesses going to just give the public education and healthcare? They're too busy offshoring jobs and evading taxes.
tarantinoisahack 3 weeks ago
@tarantinoisahack
Why would anyone offshore jobs if there were no taxes ? And the fact that you have to ask whether businesses would provide public education and healthcare alone shows you've never really looked into the whole free market and libertarian solution. Of course those would be provided by private sector. It wouldn't be for free but the value of such education would be much much higher then that provided by state at the moment.
Kukainis 3 weeks ago
@Kukainis Of ocourse they would because of wages. Hahahaha some sectors of the private sector maybe and that's the problem. They aren't for the general public. Seriously though, how is it that you libertarian types never look at places where governance virtually does not exis and realise that it is not a utopia, like Somalia.
tarantinoisahack 3 weeks ago
@tarantinoisahack
And the price would not be high because state would not be involved (state usually cripples anything it touches) and of course the factor of competitiveness would drive the prices down.
And btw, I'm no expert about Brazil, but I know that the growth they had for the last couple of years is due to the additional freedoms they incorporated in their markets. Another example is China. The growth they have is because they move away socialism towards free market.
Kukainis 3 weeks ago
@Kukainis Lol China didn't free up their banks to the extent where they picked up toxic U.S. debts. The free market is great but it is not perfect. It's subject to human greed and stupidity, to which there is plenty of.
tarantinoisahack 3 weeks ago
@tarantinoisahack
I agree, it's not perfect, but involving government only makes things worse. You can't have corruption in free market and that makes all the difference...
Kukainis 3 weeks ago
@Kukainis Involving government makes it worse? The Chinese government made sure the country wasn't bogged down with toxic debts. Please live in Somalia if you want your libertarian dreams of living in country with no government.
tarantinoisahack 3 weeks ago
@tarantinoisahack
Then why didn't US government make sure there are no "toxic assets" banks ? Surely, US government is superior to the Chinese...
And btw, since when is Somalia some kind of a libertarian dream ? It is ruled by warlords...
The lack of government alone doesn't make a better society (although it is an important step). You have to get rid of all the violence and government is one of the worst type of violence there is, because it has monopoly on force.
Kukainis 3 weeks ago
@Kukainis Because the banks own the government. They banks set up their own reglatory bodies and the control the fed.
Somalia doesn't have a government which makes it a libetarian dream because there is no eveil greater than the government.
The Arab Spring shows that the reality is that you need a strong man. Now that Hosni Mubarak is gone, the Islamists are in power and it was really the dictators that kept a veneer of secularism. In other words, government is a necessary evil.
tarantinoisahack 3 weeks ago
@tarantinoisahack
Yes, banks own the government, you pointed that out very well. And because people who run the banks are greedy bastards (that's just the nature of man, you can't change that) they will eventually bribe any kind of government body to get what they want, be it softer regulatory terms or legislation (like SOPA for example). The difference between libertarians and liberals in general is the that libertarians want to kill the cause of the corruption.
Kukainis 3 weeks ago
@Kukainis But this is the free market, if they are doing what they want without government interference. They did it so that they could make money, how do free market libertarians plan on fighting that?
tarantinoisahack 3 weeks ago
@tarantinoisahack
so that there is no one to bribe, while libertarians want to increase the size of the government. All itdoes is create more bureaucracy (which costs even more money for tax payers in form of taxes or inflation) but the banks can still own the government. They can still bribe politicians and get them to do what they want...
Kukainis 3 weeks ago
@tarantinoisahack
Somalia doesn't have a free market economy. That is the libertarian way, not the no government part. Government is just an obstacle you remove along the way...
And regarding Egypt, if the people willingly elect an Islamic force in power, then obviously they are not ready for a secular society and it would be wrong to impose one on them against their will.
Kukainis 3 weeks ago
@Kukainis Libertarianism sounds a damn lot like Communism; wonderful in theory but not all that great in practice. Like communism, you rely far too much on the good nature of people. You think that people can be completely free of coercion and not act selfishly, driven by short-term aims.
If the Egyptians vote in the Islamists then it's bad for everybody. It'll hurt tourism and make the region more radical. The dictators were bad but what is come will be worse than the dictators.
tarantinoisahack 3 weeks ago
I hope he doesn't win!
jason0998 1 month ago
obama is going to win for sure
TheOuskie 1 month ago