4th World Naginata Championship -Final Men-

[xxrawr22xx]

I just watched 1:49 5 times and laughed each time. He's like, "Imma poke your face."

[Drakhar1]

I just got a naginata, and im trying to figure out whats the best technique, can u use it like a pu dao, or spear. i guess its a dodge and cut weapon. any stick twirls?

[RocktheSocks]

Hmm. I was watching the Woman's championship, and the differences are interesting. I think they were previously mentioned in the comments, but I don't see the original post.

These men are much more close and personal. They focus on offense, which in such a tight space is clumsy with a long weapon. I can understand why this is a woman's sport. The naginata are long, and structured so the opponent can keep his/her distance and go about it cautiously, like most women like to fight.

[JaciMille1]

does it hurt more being hit on the men by a naginata than by a shinai??

[AyraWinla]

I do both fencing and karate, so I know what you mean by "Not a touch with one feet in the air the body twisted i don't know where and the eyes looking at the ceiling" and "delivering a real attack"

Both approches have their value I feel, though. The fencing approach is less referee biased, especially for Epee so it's more 'fair'. I do agree that sometime the 'killing points' are fairly ridiculous :)

Thank you for these videos! I'd certainly try Naginata if I could... it's beautiful.

[tman229]

So when some of these guys get hit and a point isn't counted is it because they were hit my the blunt part instead of where the actually blade is suppose to be?

[olivierJT]

Well that and some other factors.

That main reason is that it had to be a clean "cut".

Meaning : a cuting move, at the right spot and with the right attitude. (feet position, kiai (shout), and a offensive wining attitude)

Not like in fencing where it is the contact that count.

Not a touch with one feet in the air the body twisted i don't know where and the eyes looking at the ceiling. (fencing style sometime)

If you want more info, look for "ki ken tai".Same attitude in Kendo (japanese swords)

[tman229]

I get it. Basically it's making sure you strike in a fashion that would actually be fatal to the oponent as you would with a real sharp polearm/katana instead of throwing cheap taps that would not really kill the oponent even with a real weapon.

[olivierJT]

Exactly.

[olivierJT]

About these comments, I am leaving them because it show so much "the personality" of their writers that there isn't much to tell about...

Just don't encourage them in being what they already are ;)

Thanks. Don't bother.

[Jinchu86]

Take your little piece o' foil and go whine n cry about getting poked by your opponents foil u little gay french.

I think naginata is pretty gay too, but hey, it's at least how it worked back in the days. If fencing reflects how the gaylords "fought" back then, no wonder the brits raped u over and over and over. Even the fat hairy assed spanishpeople raped your gay ass. Maybe u just liked it? Or maybe it was because of your whining every time some foilfencing gay poked u?

[gspeach79]

uhhh wow... the women are much better then these guys lol

[ImMortallityMartin]

When I see this final, I can't help but thinking: if it wasn't for their superior power, both these men would have had their ass kicked by the women finalists. This wasn't tactical at all, they were both just smashing through the gigantic holes in their guards...

[transmission94]

Agreed, I think Ogata would school both of those guys. :P

[misterkami2]

Hmm.. I checked the other video and you're actually right. The women are keeping their line way better closed and have very sharp and direct attacks and parries. Not that the men are not fast and accurate, but their defensive kamae sometimes just seem completely absent.

[ShanksmasterGeneral]

the women's fight was more interesting.

[bluespartan117]

yea, they played more tchnical. the guys lef blind psots open...

[skrullion]

I dunno i see the one guy hit the other inthe face. Not sure how this goes, but IRL. game over! the oher dude is dead. Not sure how pracicle this is oher then spors end of who gets the most hit.

[Aureliano5174]

"Not sure how this goes"

Then perhaps it would be best for you to find out how this thing goes, and why does it go as it does - before posting criticizing comments.

[jbujko]

It's more lame than olympic fencing.. -_-'

[Jinchu86]

Hahaha yeah... Olympic fencing is gay. Two twats rushing into each other waiving their foil, followed by one of them ripping off his mask , trowing it at the judge and starts bitching about the opponent getting the score. Fucking gay french behavior

[jbujko]

Your mother was gay AND french. Guess You've never seen epee fencing.. It's more related to actual dueling swordplay than this japanese crap. Sorry but there is a reason for the centuries of european military superiority over the japanese, chinese and so on..

[Aureliano5174]

oh? centuries of european military superiority over japan? when did that happen..?

[TheVertiful]

Swordplay? What are you talking about... Naginata is a polearm...

[LeaperAmongsUs14]

I like watching these videos, they are of my intrest. And I am thinking of taking lessons.

In the new year.

[winDragon79]

you and me both. i just wish i could afford it.

[Myoldnamesdontwork]

Well i am not too familiar with this type of game so i dont know its rules. but they seems to be only trying to slice at each other. they aren't allow to use stabbing and swinging their spears? stabbing would be much more lethal and faster. swining would be really hard to dodge with slower speed.

REally really intense though. Intense game.

[olivierJT]

Naginata is different than Yari (spear) Naginata is a small blade attached to a pole.You don't really use it to impale. It is not a spear it is kinda fragile. Imagine a small Japanese sword attached to a pole.

You slice with it.

yes it is intense because it is fast ^_^

It is traditionally a women martial art. Have a look to the female competitions.

Enjoy !

[winDragon79]

the naginata is much more similar to a glaive rather than a spear.

[GettaRoboG]

I really respect naginata, but having hantei decide the world champion is pretty sad, in my opinion. In both the men's and the women's final it went to hantei. Why not have unlimited encho and actually decide the match by a real ippon?

[Myoldnamesdontwork]

what is hentai? or i mean hantei? sorry i only know hentai so by any chance you dont mean...

[dawnheart]

hantei -- "judge's decision". I agree, it was SO LAME! (I was there. LAME.) But we *did* have time constraints...You try arguing with the Way They Do It In Japan.

[bernard0hiro]

Hey, could you explain what was said in French, and what you said in French as well?

[olivierJT]

La question etait :

Pourquoi avec tout les "coups" qui sont portes les points ne sont pas "marques"

Au Naginata et au Kendo pour marquer un point il faut certaines conditions.

Il faut le "Ten no uchi" et au Kendo le "ki Ken tai", je suis sur que vous trouverez d'autre definitions... je vais faire court...

Il faut qu'il y ait une notion de "coupe" cad si vous aviez de vrais armes l'adversaire serait "coupe" et vaincu.

[olivierJT]

I was saying also that in Naginata (and not in Kendo) the "Ki Ken Tai" is not mendatory, even if I notice that the japanese do it most of the time anyway.

And that it was not like fencing where an electrical current "decide" for the "touch"

Here it is about attitude, posture, and will.

[olivierJT]

If you watch a very good +7th Dan this notion is obvious, you really feel the oponent cut in half."and think woowh, thankfully they have armnor and they are using bamboo..."

Bernard0hiro, is the comments what you were looking for ?

[karebu]

"you really feel the opponent getting cut in half?"

got a vid on that? does that mean hitting hard and fast physically?

[olivierJT]

Yes you feel it, the noise for sure,your head is just under ^^, and about the feel, sometime it hurt a little.

It is not about hitting hard physicaly, because you can break your Naginata. it is about "cutting"

In reality if you cut a head, well... it doesn't make that much a difference if you cut the guy until you reach the brain or until yor reach the jaw... The guy is dead anyway...

So "brain is enough" meaning it is not about power or force. Just the "cut"

[CrisisDarkerXIV]

Sooo... how did they not get all those points? I mean, they smacked at each other's heads and shins. I'm in kendo, but I still don't understand.

[olivierJT]

It is because to get a Ippon, you need "ten no uchi"

Imagine you are doing a Kata move.

It has to be right in it's form ( precision, speed,...) and in it's attitude. ( mind, "feelings")

Most of the "smack" you see here are out of this, out of balance, not in the "form" there is no "cut" no domination. As you say there are just smacking each other, no one is dominating the other.

[lolinternetslol]

You need to get a decent hit, just tapping things won't get you a point since it wouldn't really cut. (amongst other things)

[olivierJT]

Et bien, c'est un peu comme en Kendo ou il y a la notion de "ki ken tai", sauf que au naginata la "frappe" du pied n'est pas obligatoire.

Il reste donc la notion de "coupe" et d'attaque. C'est une question d'attitude et de posture.

En gros si on imaginait de vrais armes et sans d'armures on verrait les "morceaux" tomber... Si il n'y a pas cette "sensation" le point n'est pas accorde.

(il ne s agit pas de "touchette" avec un contact electrique comme en escrime par example)

[Ladakh]

Petite question bête, comment voit-on quand quelqu'un a marqué un point ? Parce qu'il y a beaucoup de coups de mis de part et d'autre, et je n'arrive pas à voir comme en kendo quand le point est mis. Merci ! :)

[Ladakh]

trop bien \o/