King of Fighters 13 Tournament - LF Reynald vs The Answer

[DevilMalice]

Good lord, can Raiden get any cheaper?

[dustpetardo]

raiden deberia estar prohibido -___-

[miscthings1]

SO FUCKING OP LOL

[JLConawayII]

I was going to buy this game and check it out, but if the characters are so ridiculously broken I'm not going to waste my time.

[phoenix9909]

@JLConawayII raiden was nerfed

[JLConawayII]

@phoenix9909 Good to know

[phoenix9909]

@JLConawayII if you are interested in kof, i think you should get the console version, raiden's level 4 drop kick takes forever to charge now, 16 seconds! so i doubt many people will use him, since while you are charging the drop kick you can't use your kick buttons, plus charging drop kicks on pad is really akward, i'm pretty sure you will need an arcade stick to use him. i wanted to give him a shot,but i would have to change my control scheme and map both kicks to shoulder buttons

[blitzac2005]

omg kula makes me feel like a pedophile.....freaking Japanese lol.

[channelin]

dunno bout you guys but i cant see anything so much fucking colour. how ironic

[kronos2560]

Ok, who is that chick groping Kula after you confirm your character order?

[AIM0001]

wow this will be the first kof Im buying with Raiden in it and he looks like an overpowered asshole. I own KOF 98' 2002 2003 AND XI so Ive never had to deal with him. Hope they fix that riduclous dropkick of his......

[komujimaru]

raidens fully broken

[elkciptish]

that raiden kick thing is waaaaay OP. hope its debuffed when the game comes out on ps3 lol.

[fireproof30]

"Fuckin' Raiden! God dammit!" Hilarious.

[kof333]

Nerf The DropKick XD

[LuvBytes07]

I can't believe how powerful that dropkick is. Note to self: When playing against Raiden, RUSH HIM TO DEATH!!!!

[SDub817]

Seriously that dropkick is bullshit.

[Death2cornbread]

BEAST!!

[hacker1986]

i want chris, shermie and yashio back! maybe whip too

[iizpoefi]

raiden makes this game lame

[Kyuubi424]

Well, out of KOF XIII Raiden and MvC2 Sentinel, who do you think would win?

Both of them are cheap fucks for starters.

[shazzaforeverthabest]

@Kyuubi424 who ever wins, we lose -_-.........

[olpdragon]

large fat people shouldn't be able to move so fast

[coconuts830]

i hope it's taking them so damn long to bring this game to consoles because they are trying to fix raiden or just get rid of him. he is clearly unbalanced and cheap, players who pick raiden are cheap too it's like having a final boss in your team.

[olpdragon]

@coconuts830 i heard it is taking them long time cuz somethin bout the head of snk wants to focus more on porting old games and revamping them and also focus more on making figurines and some shit

[finlandmetalfan]

@coconuts830 well hope they just take rid off him, i liked better chang, besides there are other characters that were more popular and didnt make it to the game, like adelheid or oswald, that stupid raiden is just ruining the game...

[moltron1st]

Raiden cheap as hell...SMDH

[madpinoy5683]

I say to ban Raiden from tourneys. Why? Read soggytoast111's comment. He hit the nail on the head. Even though it takes time to charge that drop kick of his he's able to turn the tide of the match with that broken combo, even when it's blocked. So until SNK decides to nerf this sonuvagun in the next version, I say ban him like they ban Storm, Magneto, Sentinel from MVC2

[Lioyd1rving]

@madpinoy5683 I thought those 3 were legit despite all their BS. :l

[lsuazo11]

Kula's character sprite seems disproportionate.

[mitzanu2007]

so what happened at 3:10 was it a draw (double k.o.)?

[OrgXIII4U]

@mitzanu2007 Yes, but since Reynald had one character left, he won. That's Shen came up on the WIN screen.

[mitzanu2007]

@OrgXIII4U ah, ok thanks for the answer

[linon3000]

Raiden is a MONSTER! Also, i absolutely LOVED Elisabeth selected color scheme in the first match "Wish it was her default look". All the stars in the universe, Peace.

[El6t6one]

As usual Raiden matches are boring as fuck. This game will not be a crowd pleaser at EVO if that bullshit remains a viable top tier strategy.

[YugiohAddict160]

i don't get it, it's call a DROPkick why doesn't he drop?

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[TheYousafButt]

Can someone tell me when this games is hitting the consoles?

[Tiggyty]

Raiden is god like

[uredeadmeat]

they SHOULD give Raiden some damage SCALING IMO

[rmnhn]

could someone tell me who're the most basic characters in the KOF games? it's the first real time i've gotten into KOF (not counting XII), so...

[Lioyd1rving]

@rmnhn Lawd, is this...a beginner with A BRAIN? :O

Anyway, I'd say the most beginner-friendly this time would be Athena and Robert, both shotos with pretty straightforward normals. For non-shotos there's Terry and Ralf (both have at least one charge move though), and Yuri. I heard Mai was pretty easy as well.

[rmnhn]

@Lioyd1rving what about kyo, iori and ash? they look noob friendly to me...

p.s. was that opening sentence of yours suppose to be a complement? lol

[Lioyd1rving]

@rmnhn It is. :3 Ash is a charge character, which I've never found very friendly but to each his own. He does have some real complex moves though. I'm a bit biased on Kyo since I rarely got to play his '95 moveset and find his "punch chains" moveset easier. Iori, I have no clue. Though from what I've read, you'll have to keep an eye on your super meter.

[rmnhn]

@Lioyd1rving what about the hardest to use? who is it? just wondering, in case i wanna challenge myself. right now, it looks like chin

[Lioyd1rving]

@rmnhn Duo is pretty overwhelming from what I've played. (IE: not XIII.) Shen is simple but difficult because a mistake can result in getting beaten to a pulp. Clark and Maxima both need a good deal of dexterity and Leona has to keep rushing forward and make every hit count, even though she's a charge character. All of them can be played decently by intermediate players but it takes time to really get to know them.

[rmnhn]

@Lioyd1rving and elisabeth? from what i've seen, her juggles that end with that pillar desparation move looks very simple and abusable. and her tools look simple enough.

and is it just terry who's easy or is it both bogards?

and what about mature and vice?

really sorry about all the questions. again it's the first real time that KOF keeps me engrossed.

[Lioyd1rving]

@rmnhn Anything to repel anti-SNK ignorance. :3 (Plus, I want my Garou 2!) Honestly, I know nothing about Liz; I never really bothered with her (or Mature for that matter) and her moveset got a whole lot of changes from XI to XIII. :v I have SOME basics with Vice and she's never stricken me as particularly easy. (She's a grappler BTW.) Andy had long been a close-range fighter in the Neo-Geo games, but he went back to shotoclone in XII and XIII, so he should be easy.

[wirelessjt]

@Lioyd1rving you say you want garou 2 but if it doesn't end up like garou 1 then i'd think you'd regret it. As much as i would like another garou or fatal fury i think it best if they just survive first.

[Lioyd1rving]

@wirelessjt And then put out Garou 2. That's what I'm talkin' about. :3

[rmnhn]

@Lioyd1rving sorry if this reply's pretty late. i've seen and tried kof 13 and it was amazing. i've already known the basics such as rolls, running, backdashing, the four jumps, the 4-button layout, etc. the rest is very foreign to me, but i REALLY wanna get into it. you've given VERY useful info so far. but what about the more advanced stuff like combos, drive cancels, HD, neomax? how's a drive cancel done? what's the typical kof combo system? is it link, juggle or magic series based?

[Lioyd1rving]

@rmnhn XIII in particular does seem to have a lot more juggling than usual. Besides that, the usual combo system in KOF is pretty simple: normals don't chain or link, but they do cancel into command moves, which in turn cancel into specials or supers. Drive cancels aren't quite up my alley since it's fresh from XIII and I've yet to play it. :v

[rmnhn]

@Lioyd1rving ah, i see. this's is a bit rough, but a basic combo with iori would sound like cr.A (normal), f+AA (command), qcb+kick, right? and if i want, i can substitute the qcb+kick for his maiden masher? i'm researching. speaking of iori, i plan to use him (along with k', liz, kula, andy, kyo and yuri). don't get this the wrong way, i'm not a tier whore, lolz. i thought KOF would be a nice change of pace from blazblue. going to the ONLY arcade here in australia with the game in it tomorrow.

[Lioyd1rving]

@rmnhn Lucky you. c: On the subject of Iori's combos, yes, you can cancel his command move into anything. Cancelling command moves and even normals into supers is also possible, but needs quick fingers. Of note is that not all command moves are cancellable into specials, and that just because it cancels, doesn't mean any special is guaranteed to connect.

[rmnhn]

@Lioyd1rving oh, okay. i get it. btw, i've figured out how the new drive system works, so as a sign of appreciation for all you've done, i'll share the info. apparently, you need to quickly input the command for the next special or super (i.e. iori's dash claw into his choke slam) in order to drive cancel. hyper drive mode is triggered by pressing all 4 buttons with a full drive gauge and you can cancel normals with the hyper drive activation. in this mode, it's a limited drive cancel fun-time.

[rmnhn]

@Lioyd1rving (continued; please excuse the double post) entering hyper drive mode is the ONLY way to do a neomax, from what everyone's been hearing. hope that helps.

so far, i'm really enjoying this game. the only downside is that the tradition of snk bosses continue (saiki is easily destroyed by shen's full-charge dash punch; black ash however is a result of the snk staff playing too much touhou and having too much sake for dinner >:( ) this is THE return of the king!

[Lioyd1rving]

@rmnhn Actually, you can do a NEOMAX without entering HD; what it needs is a full drive gauge. (Plus 3 stocks.) What does require HD is the MAX cancel.

[rmnhn]

@Lioyd1rving REALLY?! lulzwtf. didn't know that. i see... guess i still have much to learn. but luckily, i'm willing to...

[danielqv]

OMG im so glad they didn't screw up kula, combos and moves r almost the same as '02 im so happy

[spartan117pr]

FUCKIN RAIDEN lol

[ManhwaFan]

Uh.. goddamn, people. You know where else Raiden was good? Fatal Fury Special(big bear.. same fucking thing). Capcom vs SNK 2. You know why you don't see a lot of footages of him in those games? Because he is a very VERY difficult character to use! You gotta be very reactionary to be able to use him, calculate your charges and predict hard. He is a high risk, high reward type. You guys should give the players the credit some time.

[EnvyMizuhashi]

@ManhwaFan From what I see here, dealing with Raiden is easy when it comes with practice. Which is a letdown because those combos are freakin OP.

[ManhwaFan]

@EnvyMizuhashi

Combos shouldn't be the only thing to measure a character. Kyo has a combo just as damaging as Raiden's without needing to sacrifice anything, as does Iori, as shown with KoF 98 Crazy Encyclopedia's videos. They're still not nearly as often used as other characters in this game.

[LEGIALLATENONSERVONO]

good shit guys, hadn't seen a kula drop that ghetto corner combo since 2002

[kuraitenshi89]

0:52 P-chan (Duck King's pet) cameo in the back, walking behind the shovel XD...

[icebeam23860]

@kuraitenshi89

Wow, good eye! I didn't notice that! Go go Duck-King!

[FATALFURYKID]

Raiden is too strong. I hope he's toned down, because I have friends who will no doubt use him against me.

[soggytoast111]

OK, this is just stupid. The dropkick comes out so fast, does a ton of damage, infinite range, short recover, combos for like 98% damage. Even on block it takes out 3/4's of the guard gauge. In the first match against Elisabeth, she blocks both and fails to punish either. In fact, the second one gets the guard crush so she gets combo'd into oblivion no matter what happens. No matter what strategy you come up with, it is still a game warping, unfair move.

[LeftyHangsLower]

@soggytoast111

Yeah, but he has to go through 16 seconds without his B and D buttons before he can kill you. So he loses his best cancelable normal, he can't roll, he can't use his overhead, CD is gone, he can't command throw...for 16 seconds, he's THAT handicapped, so just rush his ass down.

[3rdEYEbeHolder]

@soggytoast111

If they just made Raiden's drop kick punishable it would solve everything. That way you couldn't spam it without fear. But I think the normal damage, and guard crush damage make sense. He's a big dude coming at you.

Just make it punishable and it cool i think.

[OrgXIII4U]

@soggytoast111 EXACTLY! You hear people and see people say that the timing is strict, but EVERY player that uses Raiden seems able to do it without fail! This whole 'timing' issue seems more and more like 'informed ability' thhe more videos you see.

[kaollassuuu]

@soggytoast111 Must hold B+D for 15-20 seconds of the game to make the dropkick that fast/damaging so during those 15-20 secs raiden can't A+B or C+D. So he can easily get punished meanwhile charing both dropkicks.

Still, they should reduce thre dropkick damage for the console version.

[Lioyd1rving]

@kaollassuuu I'm actually against reducing the damage, because broken as it is, it still looks damn cool. I'd be more in favor of making it riskier by reducing the guard damage and priority, increasing the startup and recovery and put harsher damage scaling so that it takes more stocks.

[Xecutionner2K]

@soggytoast111

You are exact here.

This kof is more balanced than most IF you fix Raiden drop kick and K' dash moves / safe pokes.

All the others are playable (Shen / Elizabeth / Kula / Chin are a bit stronger than others but not dramatically).

Just one patch to fix AT LEAST Raiden and K', its one of the best KOF ever.

[crazystarf]

@soggytoast111 you talking about raiden?

[mclovin314]

@soggytoast111 Stop being a baby...

[psydp]

Raiden is so good yes. brken thats the way i want him.

[DevinHades]

Damn that Raiden is a crazy one.

[coonkies]

Lol, Raiden is so broken. If he's not fixed, the rules should be you either pick a team of 3 without raiden or raiden alone. Lol, yes Raiden by himself can match teams of 3 characters

[BradRy2]

That was rather nice. Not much you can do for Raidan but pray. If only you could force them to let go of charging that drop kick.

[microboy90]

Nice Rayden!!!

[neurallydegenerated]

1:05. I swear he said shoryuken lol.

[Kane317]

@neurallydegenerated He says Shoryudan, the name of his move.

[neurallydegenerated]

@Kane317 Yeah haha. But it sounded like shoryuken the first time I heard it so i laughed. :)

[ArcadeInfinityMrKOF]

6:35 - 6:48 ! Ending comment is the best =)

[posterboy0007]

Grape-Ape stays beasting on scrubs yo.  LOL @ Shen coming out to talk shit just because.

[SomedaysDreamersBC]

Raiden Raiden Raiden hahahaha too much.

[amazingdany]

I love Raiden's near-100% damage combo.

Despite his size and heft, he seems very top-tier unless it's just the player who excels with him... Even in CvS2, I always thought that Raiden was a very good character.

[rmnhn]

@amazingdany from what i've seen, Raiden can actually do 100% in a single combo. take a look at the user named Emill, he's got VERY recent kof xiii vids with at least one 100% Raiden combo. it's batshit crazy

[Kane317]

Three and a half weeks later, there's a lot of anti-Raiden strategies been developed and (basically rush him down before the first 12-16 secs and then bait the dropkicks)--like most strategies, once you know what to expect it's not that as good as it first seems.

[sevenforcex]

@Kane317 Yeah you can rushdown raiden all you want, but that wont stop him taking 90 percent of your life, for me this is way too much, its almost as bad has having an instant kill, one fuck up and the match can sway back into the raiden players team, its just stupid to me, I hope they do something about that, otherwise this game online and tourney wise will be full of people doing the raiden drop kick combo, if you beat me I want it to because you're better not that you learn a easy 90% combo

[Kane317]

@sevenforcex I'm not going to play down how much of a threat it is if you're not paying attention, but again, there is a window of opportunity to punish him, and there's a window where Raiden can unleash damage.

If you look at K', Mature, Takuma, Liz and even Kula, one mistake anytime and it's a 50-60% combo.

Furthermore, Raiden needs a NeoMax to do massive damage (otherwise it's the same 50-60%, which is still good, but nothing out of the ordinary) so in the meantime punish the characters

[Kane317]

@sevenforcex that he's using to charge up the stocks. If he puts him first then you're fine anyways. It's not as bad as you think, play enough K'/Liz/Kulas/Matures/Takumas and you'll think twice about Raiden.

[Yosefhouser]

@Kane317 To be of any concession, it's better than what Mature has. She can do what she does with little meter and then builds meter like a motherfucker. Well, console details should be up soon.

[LeebeeLink]

lolol rayden

[Chubunater]

Fuckin Raiden

he so sweet <3

[Jak00125]

That Raiden is a beast. Can't wait to use him.

[konqrr]

Good God... Raiden is good.

[heavysaur]

@konqrr shit he destroy what ever he touch.........X_X