I respect people tastes of music even I don't like them, but please any fans can they tell why they like this I really don't understand because I've seen so many people do this sort of thing.
A general comment after reading through the comments on various videos: Bailey seems to bring out the worst in people, unfortunately. Both fans and detractors frequently act like total jerks.
There's nothing wrong with loving Bailey, nor is there anything wrong with hating him. Neither makes you stupid, tasteless, uneducated, a victim of a con, or whatever. It's moronic, close-minded snobbery to say otherwise.
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my dad used to play the drums with derek back in the 1950s early 60s but back then it was completely different but i like to listen as gives me a bit of connection to my dad sadly miss jeff todd
Ah, this is at the original DOWNTOWN MUSIC GALLERY. I saw Gianni Gebbia do a solo sax recital there. It's interesting hearing Bailey speak...he speaks like he plays...splintered, discursive, no straight through line. I saw him play at the old Knitting Factory on East Houston St. with John Zorn, and at The Cooler on far West 14th St. with...Peter Brotzmann, if I'm not mistaken.
I don't understand DB's music - but weirdly, hearing him talk and play at the same time, is rather wonderful. I just can't connect the very ordinary, down to earth voice with the discordant, inter-stellar guitar sounds. Without the video footage, I'm not sure I'd believe the man talking is the same man playing.
Random notes? Can't play? IT"S NOT ABOUT NOTES! Notes were only invented thousands of years ago. in other countries the pitches of so called notes are different, you people just have only listened to this once and gone, what? Because you aren't used to it, so please, he's worked on his style since the 60's, do you think he'd play like this for a joke, NO, he loves what he's playing, because he's used to it! All you heavy metal lovers like the notes that came from classical, your gonna pay!
Because, in atonal music, pitch is no longer the central element, the other element, especially timbre, have to take its place. Because timbre is now so varied, a lot of the notes sound to some people like 'wrong notes'. To enjoy this just requires a different way of listening, not a different way of thinking.
I think the main misconception about this music is that is emphasizes creating something 'avant-garde' over something 'good'. My thoughts on how this music operates is that while tonal music extrapolates simplicity in the form of a single note into a complex compostion or improvisation, atonal music instead builds upon another form of simplicity: silence, the null set. These systems are both valid, and I listen to both types.
Play the instrument for the sounds it can make, the notes are not important, essentially it is percussive. If you hit some notes that you feel are leading to a certain style, move away from them. You don't want to make a familiar series notes, that is what you are trying to avoid. Ultimately you want to create chaos and that can be beautiful.
There are times it doesn't sound the way you meant it to, because your are not using preformed ideas. This is TRUE ad-lib and it can be beautiful.
Mr. Bailey was such a sweet player. In this video you can tell that his hands were no longer up to the task of his hearty playing; which has a lot to say on his craftsmanship and technique: the sheer amount of time those fingers have spent on a fretboard. He will be missed.
For those of you not in the know-how on Mr. Bailey's playing style (or absence of) check out his record "Mirakle". That's the one that got me into his music. Afterwards you might be more suitable to comment.
This video was my first exposure to free improv, so I guess watching it is a bit of a sentimental thing for me. It was such a great feeling when I finally understood what Derek was doing. For everybody who does not understand his playing yet: invest your time in trying to understand him. In my experience, the longer it takes to understand something, the more you will gain when you finally do.
Man, the trolls really like fucking with DB listeners. I enjoy Bailey's playing as well as Don Devore's, Django Reinhardt's, Angelo Debarre's, and Sir Richard Bishop's. Some of you guys are pretty sheltered when it comes to music, just because something is different that doesn't make it bad. Bailey has devoted more than half of his life to this style of guitar and it shows, if you fools want to waste your time by coming in here and telling us this is "shit" then fine, waste your precious time.
@alexsweeley yeah really any halfway intelligent musician can tell that what he is doing is not sloppy in anyway and actually extremely accurate and developed.
@alexsweeley No body is necessarily jumping to the conclusion of it being shit. But calling other people "sheltered" in their music tastes because they don't like something that obviously doesn't require much talent is quite frankly just pretentious. And you can go ahead and say it's a whole new style that's amazing incredibly creative, but I know that myself, and many other people won't ever get it.
@Slashriani Look at the past four 7 pages, there are more than a few comments made by people calling Derek Bailey "shit" or "crap". I was just fed up of pages of pointless negative comments, otherwise I wouldn't have written that response.
@alexsweeley I understand your point, but I mean, you have to see their point. There's only far Derek Bailey could go with the "new" creative improvisation movement, and a lot of it is very pointless, talentless, and pretentious.
@alexsweeley i've devoted 15 seconds to this style of guitar and some say I've already mastered it. Well, they didn't use those exact words, it was more like "stop playing that awful noise, asshole"
The political dimension should not be missed. Notice how he dismisses his dance-band 2-5-1s in favour of the 'freedom' of atonality. The implication is that 2-5-1s stand for bourgeois complacency while atonality expresses free-thinking. Ironically, for its success the 'music' requires the complicity of a liberal bourgeois audience. The political idea carries the audience through long after the musical idea pales. After all, what right-thinking liberal would dare stand up and say 'This is crap'?
I think a man who's heart is in the right place and comes from an honourable British tradition of avant-garde whimsy, but notice what a large part humour and audience complicity plays in the whole performance. The free improv would be hard put to stand on its own terms as, his routine dance band chord playing suggests - no spark of individuality there. It's all about context, which puts some burden on the audience.
Hey uh, Display team. Wonder if you would say what you just said about Robert Fripp. Never see this guy at the amphitheater for 32 dollars. This guitar does anything the player wants it to do. He's in command. But hey, if I cannot force him into some genre I guess he's only making strange noises as if he were Ralph Towner. No, this guitarist doesn't sound anyhing like what people recognize as music. Especially down here in Mashville.
@spoildn8410 Robert Fripp's OK. I don't know who Ralph Towner is, and it would seem I haven't needed to know thus far in my life, so I'm happy to leave him to it, whatever it is he does.
I'm amazed people are still getting so worked up about this video. It's only art, folks. If you don't like it you can look away.
imagine if instead of rage against the machine, we had derek bailey beating the x factor to a christmas number one through internet support. that would be something.
Just goes to show that you can literally play anything/nothing and some pretentious jazzbo will say it's fantastic in the name 'improvisation' or 'avant garde'.
0:11 "what your supposed to do on these guitars is this" I wouldn't do that either Derek you can't play chords nicely, just attack the fretboard and pull duff notes and pretend that what you're doing requires technique or skill, the joke is on the idiot pretentious fools who like your shite music.
What utter bull. This guy is a renowned player? Free-improv? My ass, the guy couldn't play. If lay my guitar on the ground and let a cat have a go on the strings, the cat would sound better than tyhis. love abstract musc, when done well and with purpose. This is utter nonsense.
@BucksStudent Put down your bong, stop smoking crack and clean your friggin ears man! There's avant garde and theres crap. The thing is most people who confuse the two are often just trying to be cool and different. Well, you're not.
@Sbrownlee Yeah, I have never done any illegal drug. I'm not trying to be cool, I just have a different ear than you. What do you listen to? Santana? Go troll his videos instead of Bailey's. At least Bailey never sold out.
@BucksStudent You got that riight, Bailey never sold out.....a single venue in his career. Santana s a beginning guitar student compared to those I listen to, ecclectic stuff you've never even heard of spannng all genres. I just recognize pretentious crap when I hear it. "Oh, the improvisional experimention in tonality!" Bullsht! I guarantee my music educaton and 30 yr career in the independent record biz has introduced me to a larger range of music and musicians that you'll ever hear.
@BucksStudent@BucksStudent yep, just the reply I expected. I know you're type. They tend to fail in life......... Instead of attemptng to explain why you find genious in his work, you simply give attitude. Yep, indeed I know your type.... complete failures.Now excuse me, off to listen to some Fripp (now there's aguitar player who understands exerimentation n tonalty), maybe a bit of Holdsworth for dessert. Mmmmmm. Enjoy your hero with his other dozen fans.
@Sbrownlee I love Robert Fripp, and how his guitar style inside and out. I have studied him for a long time. He's not Avant Garde.
I tend to fail? Yeah, whatever, troll. That's what you are: You have responded to most of the comments in this video, trying to start fights to pleasure some bizarre fetish of yours. Once again, I say: Whatever.
@BucksStudent Avant Garde can be percieved as so many different things in art and there is a line i draw in my own tastes to what i think is good and what i think is rubbish. It doesnt make me close minded, it just makes me opinionated. This music for me is stupid, there is nothing to it apart from a random selection of notes that dont sound good together.
@BucksStudent Of course it doesnt. Should a positive comment dictate what everyone else should think? no. People should make their own minds up about it ok BucksStudent. I will express my comments wherever i see fit. Also id like to say that i do respect Derek Bailey much for all his accomplishments, i am just not a big fan of his music and i think that with such an alternative style, he would welcome positive and negative criticism alike.
@5kyhigh1 What do you expect to accomplish by posting a negative comment on a video? You're going to get swarmed with all kinds of crap. I learned my lesson long ago, but I see some prefer to remain trolls.
@BucksStudent The comment box allows both negative and positive, you might wanna get in touch with youtube if your so upset about it and ask if they could screen us "trolls" out.
That's me standing in the back there. I had just eaten a bagel schmear and had some gas. You can hear me when Derek hits the Db 5# 9 aug chord. Awesome!!!! The bagel I mean.
This is so stupid. People are trying to emulate this who clearly don't know how to play an instrument. I'm assuming its because they see "Oh look... An art form." And the logic to it is so simple, its really easy to approach. Other stuff is too hard, and so you never would have picked the instrument up based on virtuosic musicians. This gets recognition for nonsense and so people think they found an easy 15 minutes of fame. PFFF!
@guitarbr0 surely music, as we understand it is simply organized sound, how you go about organizing it depends entirely on the way you hear it and want it to sound, not in the way you've been told it should sound and what other people are supposed to hear. ah its a minor chord that means sadness - says who? and its only the conformity of western music to written forms that confines music to the twelve note scale. Sorry Bailey doesn't fit into the world they way you've been taught. get over it.
@guitarbr0 said "People are trying to emulate this who clearly don't know how to play an instrument"
What makes you think I can't play an instrument? I am a competent Guitarist and pianist, bored with standardised music I have opted to change. Derek was a performing Jazz musician before he turned to improvised music. It has taken me far longer to want a change and his style is proving difficult for me to capture. I have my own improvised style, though quite different from Derek’s.
People who aren't musicians clearly look for some kind of mystical interpretation and want to call this "genus" for the sake of going against rules. But those "rules," if you can call them that, are to be used as a guide to help understand how to approach music. There's not even an approach to what he's doing. Its ridiculously easy to recreate.
Have you even had to listen to someone talk for 5 minutes even though you got their point 10 seconds into their comment? It’s the same for music, the tedium of listening to a musical phrase that was so obvious after the second bar.
Go back to blues and listen to the same ole stuff pumped out again and again in the name of that man’s emotion? Sorry, not any more, I want something new.
@quigglesquaggs Alright, I can respect all the stuff you said. But as far as "what we're told to hear..." "12 available tones," and all this. What about micro tones? Indian music is very melodic and pleasing to the ear. Or are you saying that "melodic" only is because its what I'm told it is? "Avant-Garde?" Come on man. And, "frequencies that we can hear" He's not hitting different frequencies. He's playing a 12 tone instrument. ...He's only working with those 12 tones.
It was "criminalbore" who said, "Bailey plays all the other notes" not me.
At some point musicians decided an octave needed to be segmented into 12 notes, but it could have been 24 or 120 or anything.
Notes and tones are both the same thing; measured by frequency and expressed in hertz.
A guitar can produce all the frequencies within its octave range simply by bending strings. Bailey doesn't do much bending so he probably plays less "notes" than the average guitarist.
Hmmm... Well, the definition of music implies an art form of utilizing harmony and rhythm. Because he's avoiding unity in harmony and rhythm, he's not really playing music, is he? There's an aspect of art form but I wouldn't go so far as calling this music.
I am trying to emulate Bailey's style, but I still need much practice before I'll be able to play live without revealing to the audience my limited ability.
There are a few moments during Bailey's play here that I noticed, only through my own experience of doing it. Example: at 6.14 he hits a dead note, instead of attempting to continue, he stops all together, making it look like a deliberate stop, but he was clearly flowing at the time, it takes experience to cut like that.
@quigglesquaggs Hitting dead notes. My guess is that he didn't expect or prepare the dead notes. Rule of thumb is that if you can sing it, you can play it. It has to start up in your head first. If you think its too hard to hear in your head, maybe you don't listen to it enough. Its like, "you are what you eat." Same reason why rock guys can't play jazz, or jazzers suck at playing metal. Don't read into it so much. Its suppose to sound how you want it to sound.
Yeah, he hits several more 'dead ' notes to...this is perfect..he's a hopeless waste of space but he's had the good sense to tell you dopes that you have to be clever to understand his playing.Everyone there terrified to stand up and say''Er..this is garbage?",,knobheads.
A true original. Bailey played all the 'other notes' that more traditional players ignore. That he's not around anymore leaves an inexplicable void in the world of music.
@criminalbore The other notes that other players ignore?! There are only 12 notes possible. I'm pretty sure they've all been played. But they sound a hell of a lot better than when this guy plays them.
It may be just me but i love it when people hate DBs sound. upsetting the superior and sensitive sensibilities of the 'music by numbers' bunch. I'd buy a lot more stuff if they played this music in supermarkets.
It's very hard to appreciate this type of music, ignore those who can't, they shouldn't comment on it. The guys playing ability is unmatched in any style; improvisation and "noise" is a style just like blues and jazz and anything else with fully fretted notes :) Just cause you can't make these sounds w/ the same amount of conviction doesn't mean you know that this is "shit". Go listen to Steve Vai, hippie.
Interesting. If his improvisation is so Avant Garde, why does he choose a standard tuning? Why does he use a standard guitar? Why a standard pick? Tis from a guy who was a studio musician in the 1950's...Hummm
and for donttazemebro, why do you keep commenting on derek bailey's videos (as this is not the only one you've commented on). what is constructive about that, and why do you keep listening to it if you don't like?
Well, from a technical standpoint his ability to play those lines involving natural and artificial harmonics along with regularly fretted notes, and the notes behind the bridge. His attention to timbre is unprecedented, especially without any pedals. His right hand picking technique and how he moves it around the guitar, or scraping the strings involves more sounds. He's just full of sonic possibilities! That and he's been playing like this since the 50s, if not earlier!
@karl198 true that man. you have people like mark ribot and frank zappa who do the quirky stylings but maintain a level of skill to their playing. this guy is plain shit. when he trys to take the piss out of jazz style chords at the start he flops it...he cant play a few sevenths after 60 years?!
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Either this guy has lost his mind due to too much drinking or Alzheimers, or he simply cannot play the guitar worth a shit! At first I thought maybe the video was a StSanders parody video - but it's not. This guy actually plays this bad.
All you have to do is be curious and completly drop your discriminating mind. Go back to cero and try to just persive it with your intuition. Drop all the concepts and listen to it with pure honesty. Do this for about a week (hopefully less) and you'll probably start to get it ;-) Remember that a lot of people can't handle Beethoven or Charles Ives for ex., they'll think it's just boring or something, but maybe if they did what I just described then they'd learn to appretiate the beauty of it.
I've listened/watched this three times now ... I still don't get it. I might be less scornful of him - and his groupies, if he proved he could play, in the first place. Then, he could demonstrate this excrement.
That's nonsense. No piece of music will ever be to everyone's tastes, but I'd much rather listen to nine minutes of this stuff than half as long of Al Di Meola, Steve Vai or Pat Metheny 'proving they can play'. An artist doesn't have to prove himself - either you like what they do or you don't.
Indeed! If music was about proving your skills, the pinnacle of the art of music would be youtube and it's thousands of "see how I play fast" -videos.
@TheDisplayTeam I listen to much avant-garde music as well as "normal" music. You're simply listening to crap thinking your "hip and different" I've worked at top independent music labels for over 30 yrs, working w/ some very ecclectic artists, but this is the worst of the worst, come on admit it, it's crap and you're just trying to be a "hipster" Excuse me, I need a dose of Paco de Lucia and a Steve Tibbetts chaser stat!
@Sbrownlee Wowsers, you're devoting quite a lot of time to insulting this guy. As others have said, if you don't like it, move on! Your definition of 'avant-garde' is yours alone, just as your predilection for Paco de Lucia is not the consecration of universal taste. I think a lot of Paco De Lucia's stuff is show-off wank. Others disagree, and that's fine - my opinion isn't 'fact' either. I've not heard Steve Tibbetts; I'll give it a listen & then, as with everything else, form my own opinion.
@TheDisplayTeam I'm not insulkting the guy, I'm sure he was probably a very nice man. Just giving my opnion about his "music" like you give yours. Ths guy cant hold a candle to de Lucia. Anyone can play what I've hear in this video. There s no talent needed. I wish I could find some of Baileys early stuff, before he his fingers and mind went dyslexic. I hear he was very good. But the opinon, you know, the one I formed on my own that seems to get under your skin, isn't a good one.
@TheDisplayTeam I agree with you, but I don't think you are very familiar with Pat Metheny if you think he's ever tried to "prove" anything. Some of his projects he barely even solos on.
Hehe, don't listen to the uneducated. Free improvisation can be great. Derek Bailey is amazing too But, if you don't understand it, at least be nice about it instead of making yourself look a fool infront of everyone who does.
I hate the word outsider music or outsider art. This guy was a musician.He didnt make music,he created sounds.Its a whole different type of art,check out the work of John Cage, who was at the forefront of this type of sound art.
i'm one of those people who thinks "outsider art" is just art and the people who do art professionally are "insider artists" and everything else is just art
first of i like some jandek and ive seen him preform but what he does is the complete opposite of what derek is doing. Jandek is an outsider artist because he is eccentric, untrained, and he has developed outside of traditional music. Derek bailey is a virtuoso musician with a understanding of "traditional" music who developed historically out of free jazz and modern classical music. His music is abstract because it evolved from trad music while jandek just started with his own concept.
I'm not annoyed by the sound of the guitar, I'm annoyed by the face of the woman in the background. Could she be any more naturally irritating?
imjackcooper 1 week ago
OMG! THE GUITAR IS SUFFERING... ANYONE HELP. HE IS KILLING HER.
LipinhoChaves 1 week ago
look at all of these shutins who came out to marvel at the mastery of the biggest loser ever toplay the guitar
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pobinr 2 weeks ago
I respect people tastes of music even I don't like them, but please any fans can they tell why they like this I really don't understand because I've seen so many people do this sort of thing.
BottomBoosh 3 weeks ago
A general comment after reading through the comments on various videos: Bailey seems to bring out the worst in people, unfortunately. Both fans and detractors frequently act like total jerks.
There's nothing wrong with loving Bailey, nor is there anything wrong with hating him. Neither makes you stupid, tasteless, uneducated, a victim of a con, or whatever. It's moronic, close-minded snobbery to say otherwise.
kingzoot00 3 weeks ago
Derek Bailey is the absolute master. I've never heard anyone create such beautiful sounds from a guitar.
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doctornerve 1 month ago
This guy is an absolute pile of arse biscuits.
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thecat030 1 month ago
@thecat030 Derek Bailey liked to drink before he would play a big gig. He was wasted most of the time, especially when he was with his children.
defaultuser404 2 weeks ago
@defaultuser404 darek bayly was basically a drug addict
thecat030 2 weeks ago
i heard his book is genious but i just have a hard time getting what hes trying to do
lambgtr7 1 month ago
"free-improv guitar legend Derek Bailey"
i'd hate to meet the sucky ones.
Thedeoradude 2 months ago 2
this is soooooooooooooooooooooo shit :(
astroboirap 3 months ago
my dad used to play the drums with derek back in the 1950s early 60s but back then it was completely different but i like to listen as gives me a bit of connection to my dad sadly miss jeff todd
kaz1960p 3 months ago
No thank you, genius grandpa guy...
guitarcapo 3 months ago
Ah, this is at the original DOWNTOWN MUSIC GALLERY. I saw Gianni Gebbia do a solo sax recital there. It's interesting hearing Bailey speak...he speaks like he plays...splintered, discursive, no straight through line. I saw him play at the old Knitting Factory on East Houston St. with John Zorn, and at The Cooler on far West 14th St. with...Peter Brotzmann, if I'm not mistaken.
robert101455 3 months ago
this is a real joke my friends!
bigrockzagreb 3 months ago
I always wondered how he made that disconcerting sound off of Ballads constantly at 0:34.
christophebassett 3 months ago
Such a ballin guitar.
breakingthe4thwall 4 months ago
amazing
TheGuitarswing 4 months ago
I bit too mainstream for me. I prefer the difficult album tracks. Incidentally my dad would had said he was crap.
Internetpolice666 4 months ago
I don't understand DB's music - but weirdly, hearing him talk and play at the same time, is rather wonderful. I just can't connect the very ordinary, down to earth voice with the discordant, inter-stellar guitar sounds. Without the video footage, I'm not sure I'd believe the man talking is the same man playing.
Doinghisbest 5 months ago
It's odd how people become so angry at sounds.
MrNoak2 5 months ago 4
loooooool funny shit. has this been overdubbed with someone trashing a guitar?
astroboirap 6 months ago
Are you fucking kidding me? Half of his life you say? My friends cat sounded exactly like this when she stepped on his guitar.
Frlja 6 months ago
yea old Derek is very good troll...
vihtorik 6 months ago
what is this and how did i get here
Thedeoradude 7 months ago
While I don't doubt his musical ability, is most of the difficulty in the fact that he can consistently plays unpleasant notes?
jayobear 7 months ago
this is quite possibly the worst video I have ever had the mis-fortune to view. Can someone tell me how this is impressive?
Freebird902 7 months ago
@Freebird902 I think we're being Punked.
tomintroy 6 months ago
@Freebird902 worst youtube comment ever !
sleazebot2000 6 months ago
Utter crap!
jollyroger1889 7 months ago
Random notes? Can't play? IT"S NOT ABOUT NOTES! Notes were only invented thousands of years ago. in other countries the pitches of so called notes are different, you people just have only listened to this once and gone, what? Because you aren't used to it, so please, he's worked on his style since the 60's, do you think he'd play like this for a joke, NO, he loves what he's playing, because he's used to it! All you heavy metal lovers like the notes that came from classical, your gonna pay!
MusicisTheUniversal 7 months ago 2
OK...WOW...SO NICE...AND EVEN HE CAN TALK AT THE SAME TIME HE PLAYS SUCH A COMPLICATED STUFF...WOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!
gargantua 8 months ago
Because, in atonal music, pitch is no longer the central element, the other element, especially timbre, have to take its place. Because timbre is now so varied, a lot of the notes sound to some people like 'wrong notes'. To enjoy this just requires a different way of listening, not a different way of thinking.
concernedanonymous 8 months ago 2
I think the main misconception about this music is that is emphasizes creating something 'avant-garde' over something 'good'. My thoughts on how this music operates is that while tonal music extrapolates simplicity in the form of a single note into a complex compostion or improvisation, atonal music instead builds upon another form of simplicity: silence, the null set. These systems are both valid, and I listen to both types.
concernedanonymous 8 months ago 2
i don't know why but i like it !
downofwar2 8 months ago
thank you for posting this - I love his playing and i love his sense of humour - a true original
drmJB23 9 months ago 2
Play the instrument for the sounds it can make, the notes are not important, essentially it is percussive. If you hit some notes that you feel are leading to a certain style, move away from them. You don't want to make a familiar series notes, that is what you are trying to avoid. Ultimately you want to create chaos and that can be beautiful.
There are times it doesn't sound the way you meant it to, because your are not using preformed ideas. This is TRUE ad-lib and it can be beautiful.
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quigglesquaggs 9 months ago
There's a guy called David Fisher who plays awful guitar to..check him out..only thing is he thinks he's good..
Skelidude 9 months ago
Nurse, the screens
Skelidude 9 months ago
Emperor, where are my clothes?
Skelidude 9 months ago
can someone explain this shit to me?
nashvilleraidersfan 9 months ago
Mr. Bailey was such a sweet player. In this video you can tell that his hands were no longer up to the task of his hearty playing; which has a lot to say on his craftsmanship and technique: the sheer amount of time those fingers have spent on a fretboard. He will be missed.
For those of you not in the know-how on Mr. Bailey's playing style (or absence of) check out his record "Mirakle". That's the one that got me into his music. Afterwards you might be more suitable to comment.
paranormalpatrol 9 months ago
This video was my first exposure to free improv, so I guess watching it is a bit of a sentimental thing for me. It was such a great feeling when I finally understood what Derek was doing. For everybody who does not understand his playing yet: invest your time in trying to understand him. In my experience, the longer it takes to understand something, the more you will gain when you finally do.
concernedanonymous 9 months ago
its in the frontiers of music :p
more like sonic mood, tonal feel.. put these musics in a film noir, you have the perfect soundtrack.stress, joy, fear, sadness, its all here.
aint my bag, but definitely interesting.
doyengicp 10 months ago
Derek Bailey doing vocals!
MrDzhimbo 10 months ago
From a technical standpoint, you missed the fucking point.
tool9988 11 months ago
Man, the trolls really like fucking with DB listeners. I enjoy Bailey's playing as well as Don Devore's, Django Reinhardt's, Angelo Debarre's, and Sir Richard Bishop's. Some of you guys are pretty sheltered when it comes to music, just because something is different that doesn't make it bad. Bailey has devoted more than half of his life to this style of guitar and it shows, if you fools want to waste your time by coming in here and telling us this is "shit" then fine, waste your precious time.
alexsweeley 1 year ago 25
@alexsweeley yeah really any halfway intelligent musician can tell that what he is doing is not sloppy in anyway and actually extremely accurate and developed.
edcerc 10 months ago
@alexsweeley Just too bad he never learned to play guitar.
WildWillys 6 months ago
@alexsweeley No body is necessarily jumping to the conclusion of it being shit. But calling other people "sheltered" in their music tastes because they don't like something that obviously doesn't require much talent is quite frankly just pretentious. And you can go ahead and say it's a whole new style that's amazing incredibly creative, but I know that myself, and many other people won't ever get it.
Slashriani 6 months ago
@Slashriani Look at the past four 7 pages, there are more than a few comments made by people calling Derek Bailey "shit" or "crap". I was just fed up of pages of pointless negative comments, otherwise I wouldn't have written that response.
alexsweeley 6 months ago
@alexsweeley I understand your point, but I mean, you have to see their point. There's only far Derek Bailey could go with the "new" creative improvisation movement, and a lot of it is very pointless, talentless, and pretentious.
Slashriani 6 months ago
@alexsweeley i've devoted 15 seconds to this style of guitar and some say I've already mastered it. Well, they didn't use those exact words, it was more like "stop playing that awful noise, asshole"
1BMPP 4 months ago
@alexsweeley thanks, I love wasting time replying to threads that are allowing us to waste time replying to time wasters! Cheers, Lucius
GuitarLucius 3 months ago
@GuitarLucius Damn, that's a lot of time wasted.
alexsweeley 3 months ago
@thezepp68 Sure, I'm fine with that.
Craiglend 1 year ago
@thezepp68 Your not every standpoint, your one person, with one opinion like everyone else.
Craiglend 1 year ago
Satin Doll?
sprechstimme 1 year ago
The political dimension should not be missed. Notice how he dismisses his dance-band 2-5-1s in favour of the 'freedom' of atonality. The implication is that 2-5-1s stand for bourgeois complacency while atonality expresses free-thinking. Ironically, for its success the 'music' requires the complicity of a liberal bourgeois audience. The political idea carries the audience through long after the musical idea pales. After all, what right-thinking liberal would dare stand up and say 'This is crap'?
jazztitch 1 year ago
@jazztitch Me.
goatface1000 4 weeks ago
I think a man who's heart is in the right place and comes from an honourable British tradition of avant-garde whimsy, but notice what a large part humour and audience complicity plays in the whole performance. The free improv would be hard put to stand on its own terms as, his routine dance band chord playing suggests - no spark of individuality there. It's all about context, which puts some burden on the audience.
jazztitch 1 year ago 2
@jazztitch Your perceptive comments mirror my own - on many branches of the arts.
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punkmusicmetal 1 year ago
Hey uh, Display team. Wonder if you would say what you just said about Robert Fripp. Never see this guy at the amphitheater for 32 dollars. This guitar does anything the player wants it to do. He's in command. But hey, if I cannot force him into some genre I guess he's only making strange noises as if he were Ralph Towner. No, this guitarist doesn't sound anyhing like what people recognize as music. Especially down here in Mashville.
spoildn8410 1 year ago
@spoildn8410 Robert Fripp's OK. I don't know who Ralph Towner is, and it would seem I haven't needed to know thus far in my life, so I'm happy to leave him to it, whatever it is he does.
I'm amazed people are still getting so worked up about this video. It's only art, folks. If you don't like it you can look away.
TheDisplayTeam 1 year ago
must be jazz.
MOSKII58 1 year ago
anyone have tabs?
lacoocoorocha 1 year ago 42
@lacoocoorocha play wildly you might get it :D
happyface4444 8 months ago
imagine if instead of rage against the machine, we had derek bailey beating the x factor to a christmas number one through internet support. that would be something.
palkom13 1 year ago
Someone slip me bad Acid? What ... ?? What just happend? what ??
Beachcrib 1 year ago
Feel blessed to have seen Derek play as often as I did, but will never stop regretting that I wasn't at this one.
OttoToon 1 year ago
From a technical standpoint, he's really not very good at all
barbrastreyesand 1 year ago
Just goes to show that you can literally play anything/nothing and some pretentious jazzbo will say it's fantastic in the name 'improvisation' or 'avant garde'.
metalcore929 1 year ago
This dude changes timbre every couple of notes... I love this lol
Megajosh2 1 year ago
Something major all of you talking shit seem to not realize is that this man is very accomplished in more conventional forms of music...
Megajosh2 1 year ago
Dude's not even hitting the notes. A poorly trained monkey could do that shit, behind his head, while smoking a cigar.
MegaLoudnoises 1 year ago
Had to turn to playing random ass bullshit because he failed at playing real guitar....
If this jackass is making money of making random ass fucking noises then I want in...
NiggerAnus 1 year ago
Man! If you're considered "talented," then I must be a fuckin' God! Thanks!
Rockland32 1 year ago
0:11 "what your supposed to do on these guitars is this" I wouldn't do that either Derek you can't play chords nicely, just attack the fretboard and pull duff notes and pretend that what you're doing requires technique or skill, the joke is on the idiot pretentious fools who like your shite music.
greyreview 1 year ago
this is anti-music, and that's fine by me. it's a nice change from your usual calculated pop music chord progression.
victorcoupeful 1 year ago
I truly feel so sorry for whoever he gave those free guitar lessons to.
Freebird902 1 year ago
@Freebird902 horrible chris.
joe1999manutd 1 year ago
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this is pure shit
KDFrieds 1 year ago
Anyone who claims to enjoy this dross is deluded, dishonest, or both!
MrMichaelEdie 1 year ago
@MrMichaelEdie Watch what you say man, otherwise @BucksStudent might get his panties in a bunch again!
5kyhigh1 1 year ago
What utter bull. This guy is a renowned player? Free-improv? My ass, the guy couldn't play. If lay my guitar on the ground and let a cat have a go on the strings, the cat would sound better than tyhis. love abstract musc, when done well and with purpose. This is utter nonsense.
Sbrownlee 1 year ago
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truly great music like this invokes feelings and emotions that words could never describe.
edcerc 1 year ago
truly great music like this invokes feelings and emotions that words can never describe.
edcerc 1 year ago
@edcerc Indeed it does invoke feelings, like the feeling I want to hurl
Sbrownlee 1 year ago
Good luck transcribing that ...
TDanAlexandru 1 year ago
Im not gonna be diplomatic and say that music is subjective and this style is just a form of playing ramble ramble ramble.....
I will say that this is stupid.
but if it makes him happy then he should continue doing what hes doing.
5kyhigh1 1 year ago
@5kyhigh1 He's dead. He played Avant Garde. It's not stupid, and you're close minded for saying so. If you don't like it, fine.
BucksStudent 1 year ago
@BucksStudent Put down your bong, stop smoking crack and clean your friggin ears man! There's avant garde and theres crap. The thing is most people who confuse the two are often just trying to be cool and different. Well, you're not.
Sbrownlee 1 year ago
@Sbrownlee Yeah, I have never done any illegal drug. I'm not trying to be cool, I just have a different ear than you. What do you listen to? Santana? Go troll his videos instead of Bailey's. At least Bailey never sold out.
BucksStudent 1 year ago
@BucksStudent You got that riight, Bailey never sold out.....a single venue in his career. Santana s a beginning guitar student compared to those I listen to, ecclectic stuff you've never even heard of spannng all genres. I just recognize pretentious crap when I hear it. "Oh, the improvisional experimention in tonality!" Bullsht! I guarantee my music educaton and 30 yr career in the independent record biz has introduced me to a larger range of music and musicians that you'll ever hear.
Sbrownlee 1 year ago
@Sbrownlee Whatever, troll.
BucksStudent 1 year ago
@BucksStudent @BucksStudent yep, just the reply I expected. I know you're type. They tend to fail in life......... Instead of attemptng to explain why you find genious in his work, you simply give attitude. Yep, indeed I know your type.... complete failures.Now excuse me, off to listen to some Fripp (now there's aguitar player who understands exerimentation n tonalty), maybe a bit of Holdsworth for dessert. Mmmmmm. Enjoy your hero with his other dozen fans.
Sbrownlee 1 year ago
@Sbrownlee I love Robert Fripp, and how his guitar style inside and out. I have studied him for a long time. He's not Avant Garde.
I tend to fail? Yeah, whatever, troll. That's what you are: You have responded to most of the comments in this video, trying to start fights to pleasure some bizarre fetish of yours. Once again, I say: Whatever.
BucksStudent 1 year ago
@BucksStudent Avant Garde can be percieved as so many different things in art and there is a line i draw in my own tastes to what i think is good and what i think is rubbish. It doesnt make me close minded, it just makes me opinionated. This music for me is stupid, there is nothing to it apart from a random selection of notes that dont sound good together.
5kyhigh1 1 year ago
@5kyhigh1 That's fine, but your opinion doesn't dictate what everyone else should think, and shouldn't be expressed in this video.
BucksStudent 1 year ago
@BucksStudent Of course it doesnt. Should a positive comment dictate what everyone else should think? no. People should make their own minds up about it ok BucksStudent. I will express my comments wherever i see fit. Also id like to say that i do respect Derek Bailey much for all his accomplishments, i am just not a big fan of his music and i think that with such an alternative style, he would welcome positive and negative criticism alike.
5kyhigh1 1 year ago
@5kyhigh1 What do you expect to accomplish by posting a negative comment on a video? You're going to get swarmed with all kinds of crap. I learned my lesson long ago, but I see some prefer to remain trolls.
BucksStudent 1 year ago
@BucksStudent The comment box allows both negative and positive, you might wanna get in touch with youtube if your so upset about it and ask if they could screen us "trolls" out.
5kyhigh1 1 year ago
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@5kyhigh1 Whatever turns you on, buddy.
BucksStudent 1 year ago
i like free jazz or avant garde(whatever u want 2 call it)
but this video is just straight garbage.
rosatijazz23 1 year ago
Give Bailey the credit he deserves it takes talent to sound that terrible.
somewhereman159 1 year ago 2
I started watching this, and thought... "What the hell is this man doing?"
But to every man his own, I guess...
thesk8rman765 1 year ago
That's me standing in the back there. I had just eaten a bagel schmear and had some gas. You can hear me when Derek hits the Db 5# 9 aug chord. Awesome!!!! The bagel I mean.
dcs5678 1 year ago
Like some kind of updated blues call and response for avant shredders. Nice to see Prince showed up and got a good spot watching over DB's shoulder.
Luggagerecords 1 year ago
Clowns are fool, dumb, stupid, idiot. Ok you think as well ? Means they have well done their job.
OddAntSounds 1 year ago
This is so stupid. People are trying to emulate this who clearly don't know how to play an instrument. I'm assuming its because they see "Oh look... An art form." And the logic to it is so simple, its really easy to approach. Other stuff is too hard, and so you never would have picked the instrument up based on virtuosic musicians. This gets recognition for nonsense and so people think they found an easy 15 minutes of fame. PFFF!
guitarbr0 1 year ago
@guitarbr0 surely music, as we understand it is simply organized sound, how you go about organizing it depends entirely on the way you hear it and want it to sound, not in the way you've been told it should sound and what other people are supposed to hear. ah its a minor chord that means sadness - says who? and its only the conformity of western music to written forms that confines music to the twelve note scale. Sorry Bailey doesn't fit into the world they way you've been taught. get over it.
criminalbore 1 year ago
@guitarbr0 said "People are trying to emulate this who clearly don't know how to play an instrument"
What makes you think I can't play an instrument? I am a competent Guitarist and pianist, bored with standardised music I have opted to change. Derek was a performing Jazz musician before he turned to improvised music. It has taken me far longer to want a change and his style is proving difficult for me to capture. I have my own improvised style, though quite different from Derek’s.
quigglesquaggs 1 year ago
People who aren't musicians clearly look for some kind of mystical interpretation and want to call this "genus" for the sake of going against rules. But those "rules," if you can call them that, are to be used as a guide to help understand how to approach music. There's not even an approach to what he's doing. Its ridiculously easy to recreate.
guitarbr0 1 year ago
@guitarbr0
Have you even had to listen to someone talk for 5 minutes even though you got their point 10 seconds into their comment? It’s the same for music, the tedium of listening to a musical phrase that was so obvious after the second bar.
Go back to blues and listen to the same ole stuff pumped out again and again in the name of that man’s emotion? Sorry, not any more, I want something new.
quigglesquaggs 1 year ago
@quigglesquaggs Alright, I can respect all the stuff you said. But as far as "what we're told to hear..." "12 available tones," and all this. What about micro tones? Indian music is very melodic and pleasing to the ear. Or are you saying that "melodic" only is because its what I'm told it is? "Avant-Garde?" Come on man. And, "frequencies that we can hear" He's not hitting different frequencies. He's playing a 12 tone instrument. ...He's only working with those 12 tones.
guitarbr0 1 year ago
@guitarbr0
It was "criminalbore" who said, "Bailey plays all the other notes" not me.
At some point musicians decided an octave needed to be segmented into 12 notes, but it could have been 24 or 120 or anything.
Notes and tones are both the same thing; measured by frequency and expressed in hertz.
A guitar can produce all the frequencies within its octave range simply by bending strings. Bailey doesn't do much bending so he probably plays less "notes" than the average guitarist.
quigglesquaggs 1 year ago
Hmmm... Well, the definition of music implies an art form of utilizing harmony and rhythm. Because he's avoiding unity in harmony and rhythm, he's not really playing music, is he? There's an aspect of art form but I wouldn't go so far as calling this music.
guitarbr0 1 year ago
@guitarbr0
Music = The art or science of combining sounds to produce beauty of form, harmony and expression of emotion.
Beauty of form... Beauty is in the "ear" of the beholder.
Harmony... One mans harmony is another’s discord.
Emotion... Ask Mr Spock?
quigglesquaggs 1 year ago
I am trying to emulate Bailey's style, but I still need much practice before I'll be able to play live without revealing to the audience my limited ability.
There are a few moments during Bailey's play here that I noticed, only through my own experience of doing it. Example: at 6.14 he hits a dead note, instead of attempting to continue, he stops all together, making it look like a deliberate stop, but he was clearly flowing at the time, it takes experience to cut like that.
R.I.P. Derek
quigglesquaggs 1 year ago
@quigglesquaggs Hitting dead notes. My guess is that he didn't expect or prepare the dead notes. Rule of thumb is that if you can sing it, you can play it. It has to start up in your head first. If you think its too hard to hear in your head, maybe you don't listen to it enough. Its like, "you are what you eat." Same reason why rock guys can't play jazz, or jazzers suck at playing metal. Don't read into it so much. Its suppose to sound how you want it to sound.
guitarbr0 1 year ago
@guitarbr0
Was your guess swayed in any way by the fact that I said just that in my post?
He hit a dead note, he didn't mean to, so he disguised it by stopping altogether.
Too hard to hear in my head!? What are you talking about, are you doing improvised avant-garde commenting here?
quigglesquaggs 1 year ago
@quigglesquaggs
Yeah, he hits several more 'dead ' notes to...this is perfect..he's a hopeless waste of space but he's had the good sense to tell you dopes that you have to be clever to understand his playing.Everyone there terrified to stand up and say''Er..this is garbage?",,knobheads.
Skelidude 9 months ago
What a brilliant video!
eddjcaine 1 year ago
C'est comme musique concrete pour le guitare.
synthwerk 1 year ago
A true original. Bailey played all the 'other notes' that more traditional players ignore. That he's not around anymore leaves an inexplicable void in the world of music.
criminalbore 1 year ago
@criminalbore The other notes that other players ignore?! There are only 12 notes possible. I'm pretty sure they've all been played. But they sound a hell of a lot better than when this guy plays them.
guitarbr0 1 year ago
@guitarbr0
There are around 20,000 frequencies audible to the human ear; each one a different note. 12?
quigglesquaggs 1 year ago
Is he fucking insane?
CanineFaeces 1 year ago 2
It may be just me but i love it when people hate DBs sound. upsetting the superior and sensitive sensibilities of the 'music by numbers' bunch. I'd buy a lot more stuff if they played this music in supermarkets.
positionnormal71 1 year ago
It's very hard to appreciate this type of music, ignore those who can't, they shouldn't comment on it. The guys playing ability is unmatched in any style; improvisation and "noise" is a style just like blues and jazz and anything else with fully fretted notes :) Just cause you can't make these sounds w/ the same amount of conviction doesn't mean you know that this is "shit". Go listen to Steve Vai, hippie.
rss313 1 year ago
@rss313
Musical illiterates have made noise with no rhythm or purpose "music".
GuardianoftheTower 1 year ago
im trying hard to like this but anyone cud do this
thefletchishere 1 year ago
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are you all fucking sick this sounds like shit...yoa are all fucking crazy
Rockrules4ever1 1 year ago
Interesting. If his improvisation is so Avant Garde, why does he choose a standard tuning? Why does he use a standard guitar? Why a standard pick? Tis from a guy who was a studio musician in the 1950's...Hummm
mazsenior 1 year ago
and for donttazemebro, why do you keep commenting on derek bailey's videos (as this is not the only one you've commented on). what is constructive about that, and why do you keep listening to it if you don't like?
1smileymn 2 years ago
Well, from a technical standpoint his ability to play those lines involving natural and artificial harmonics along with regularly fretted notes, and the notes behind the bridge. His attention to timbre is unprecedented, especially without any pedals. His right hand picking technique and how he moves it around the guitar, or scraping the strings involves more sounds. He's just full of sonic possibilities! That and he's been playing like this since the 50s, if not earlier!
1smileymn 2 years ago 11
@1smileymn
Wow 60 years of commitment to being shit at guitar. Quite impressive. This guy's been conning stuck up tards like you for ages apparently.
karl198 1 year ago 2
@karl198 neat.
1smileymn 1 year ago
@karl198 true that man. you have people like mark ribot and frank zappa who do the quirky stylings but maintain a level of skill to their playing. this guy is plain shit. when he trys to take the piss out of jazz style chords at the start he flops it...he cant play a few sevenths after 60 years?!
joesheldon 1 year ago
@1smileymn yeah really finally someone who actually listens
edcerc 10 months ago
Derek Bailey is a genius!
1smileymn 2 years ago
could you explain that?
mmiles54 2 years ago
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Either this guy has lost his mind due to too much drinking or Alzheimers, or he simply cannot play the guitar worth a shit! At first I thought maybe the video was a StSanders parody video - but it's not. This guy actually plays this bad.
FAIL!!!!
DontTazerMeBro 2 years ago
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THIS GUY FUCKING SUCKS ON GUITAR!!!!
DontTazerMeBro 2 years ago
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IF ONLY THIS WAS A PARODY. This bloke is giving jazz a bad name. Many people hear this, and think this is what jazz is all about.
418mhzcablefree 2 years ago
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you do that, i don't do that, you do that!
rillloudmother 2 years ago
All you have to do is be curious and completly drop your discriminating mind. Go back to cero and try to just persive it with your intuition. Drop all the concepts and listen to it with pure honesty. Do this for about a week (hopefully less) and you'll probably start to get it ;-) Remember that a lot of people can't handle Beethoven or Charles Ives for ex., they'll think it's just boring or something, but maybe if they did what I just described then they'd learn to appretiate the beauty of it.
kukulypaloma 2 years ago
I've listened/watched this three times now ... I still don't get it. I might be less scornful of him - and his groupies, if he proved he could play, in the first place. Then, he could demonstrate this excrement.
418mhzcablefree 2 years ago
That's nonsense. No piece of music will ever be to everyone's tastes, but I'd much rather listen to nine minutes of this stuff than half as long of Al Di Meola, Steve Vai or Pat Metheny 'proving they can play'. An artist doesn't have to prove himself - either you like what they do or you don't.
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megast2 1 year ago
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Indeed! If music was about proving your skills, the pinnacle of the art of music would be youtube and it's thousands of "see how I play fast" -videos.
megast2 1 year ago
@TheDisplayTeam I listen to much avant-garde music as well as "normal" music. You're simply listening to crap thinking your "hip and different" I've worked at top independent music labels for over 30 yrs, working w/ some very ecclectic artists, but this is the worst of the worst, come on admit it, it's crap and you're just trying to be a "hipster" Excuse me, I need a dose of Paco de Lucia and a Steve Tibbetts chaser stat!
Sbrownlee 1 year ago
@Sbrownlee Wowsers, you're devoting quite a lot of time to insulting this guy. As others have said, if you don't like it, move on! Your definition of 'avant-garde' is yours alone, just as your predilection for Paco de Lucia is not the consecration of universal taste. I think a lot of Paco De Lucia's stuff is show-off wank. Others disagree, and that's fine - my opinion isn't 'fact' either. I've not heard Steve Tibbetts; I'll give it a listen & then, as with everything else, form my own opinion.
TheDisplayTeam 1 year ago
@TheDisplayTeam I'm not insulkting the guy, I'm sure he was probably a very nice man. Just giving my opnion about his "music" like you give yours. Ths guy cant hold a candle to de Lucia. Anyone can play what I've hear in this video. There s no talent needed. I wish I could find some of Baileys early stuff, before he his fingers and mind went dyslexic. I hear he was very good. But the opinon, you know, the one I formed on my own that seems to get under your skin, isn't a good one.
Sbrownlee 1 year ago
@TheDisplayTeam I agree with you, but I don't think you are very familiar with Pat Metheny if you think he's ever tried to "prove" anything. Some of his projects he barely even solos on.
Jazzguitar00 1 year ago
he plays a traditional jazz chord progression for the first thirty seconds
edcerc 2 years ago
a monkey can play the way he does
alexcostacurta 2 years ago
I just love comments like this...
mackeralPelog 2 years ago
Hehe, don't listen to the uneducated. Free improvisation can be great. Derek Bailey is amazing too But, if you don't understand it, at least be nice about it instead of making yourself look a fool infront of everyone who does.
maverickpwn 2 years ago
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This bloke is hilarious! ... and the people in the background are grinning fools. The Emperor's New Clothes, spring to mind.
Anyone wanting to hear real jazz guitar, try Kenny Burrell or Grant Green, to name just two).
418mhzcablefree 2 years ago
@418mhzcablefree i wouldn't really call this jazz, more like outsider music, reminds me of Jandek
louderthanlife2 2 years ago
I hate the word outsider music or outsider art. This guy was a musician.He didnt make music,he created sounds.Its a whole different type of art,check out the work of John Cage, who was at the forefront of this type of sound art.
killnickleback 2 years ago
i'm one of those people who thinks "outsider art" is just art and the people who do art professionally are "insider artists" and everything else is just art
louderthanlife2 2 years ago
first of i like some jandek and ive seen him preform but what he does is the complete opposite of what derek is doing. Jandek is an outsider artist because he is eccentric, untrained, and he has developed outside of traditional music. Derek bailey is a virtuoso musician with a understanding of "traditional" music who developed historically out of free jazz and modern classical music. His music is abstract because it evolved from trad music while jandek just started with his own concept.
edcerc 1 year ago
Unbelievable self indulgent bollocks. It just sounds like someone who can't play guitar. Complete rubbish.
peanutworm 2 years ago
listen to David Sylvian's Blemish album.
I didnt even know this guy did that album. But when I heard this... I knew from the first sound...it was him. GENIUS!!!!!
bebenavole 2 years ago
I really like the latter half of this vid, when he's focusing on his guitar more.