If I lost an arm, I would never take an engineered stem cell arm. It just makes me think of having the chopped off arm of a baby. (I know thats not literally what happened, but still it makes me cringe a little.)
a "leftover" embryo is no less human than any other human embryo.
A blastocyst( 3 to 5 day old embryo) is not really destroyed. It is separated, and it lives on as developing human tissue. After differentiating into heart, pancreas, nerve tissues, etc., those deemed less profitable are thrown in the trash.
In essence, a 9 month old "stem cell line" is a newborn's body parts growing in separate dishes, awaiting sale for profit.
So lets say america decides not to go through with it. What going to stop other countries? Is america going to go in and stop them? I wonder what the outcome of that situation would be. Oh yes! I know! It would be world war 3! weeee that would be fun! I'm sure all religious enthusiasts and human rights activists would just love that.
@fVc4FACE World War Three is not going to happen over stem cell research because the only countries developed and complex enough are to smart to do so. Even if they do, America isn't going to start a war over and lose lives because they think some other country is doing an immoral activity. There are hundreds of other immoral activities going on and you don't see World War 3 happening, do you? Ex. production of Nuclear bombs.
do u think the kingdom of god is a world where the adults -the ones whose life is respected, they have been born or they have been selected from a group of embryos- decide on who's gonna come to the world?
god is the biggest killer of all. 10% of all births the baby, and sometimes mom dies giving birth, right now. That number was much higher many years ago. So god is the biggest pro-abortion of all time.
so u think u can compare urself with god? u think u got the power-intelligence-greatness god got to decide on people's life?
anyway, i accept god is the biggest killer. he has killed practically the whole humanity -or tolerated their homicide-, but ¿does it make him the biggest homicide-supporter of all time? maybe we shoud stop trying to be god
i knew this shady liar would be a horrible prez. what a joke. shame on all who followed the over hyped hippy and voted for him. wow!!!! good bye to common sense and decensy.
i guess you are willing to pay the ultimate price in the end for being "free and liberal".i see you have lost your common sense. congratulations. make your stand for your selfishness. forget others
well, ojideau, i'll change the sentence if u want to: I wish Obama was an embryo in a test-tube ready to be aborted and sent to a stem cell research lab, i'd like to hear what he'd say
Abortion has nothing to do with stem cell research. They are already dead and would be burned. That life can help save future lives. Hes not making women have Abortions is he you idiot.
in the case some of them, or maybe all of them, are already dead. who killed them, or who didn't asume the responsibility of the embryo's life? obviously the scientists who induced the embryos birth (and the parents who wanted to have the in vitro fertilization) are naturally responsible of the live embryos whose life they have induced. if they let them die in the test tube (without providing them with the food, warmth, water they need), or burn them, they are technically killing them
so i don't agree, first of all, with in vitro fertilization and the multiple lifes induced in there that are gonna be "discarded" sooner or later.
the 2nd thing is, if what u say is true, stem cell investigation works with corpses of embryos that have been "discarded", which means, killed in an evil way, comparable with nazis massacre of jews surplus. so, even if that embryos were dead, investigating with their dead bodies would be as evil as killing them
wrong bet. and trust me, the millions of lives they could PROBABLY (till today they haven't saved any life) save, are nothing compared to the ZILLIONS of lifes that are taken to provide material for investigation or, hipothetically, treatment. and you think the lifes of the born, grown-up persons are worthier than the ones in the test tube because they had the chance to grow up and be loved by some people around them -parents, friends, etc-
but life's worth doesn't depend on how developed u are, or how useful u are for society, or how loved u are. in that case unconcious, sick, disabled, unloved people's life could be taken to help other people.
Those embryos were never CLOSE to being living humans. If they find cures for cancer or disablilty or new organs I hope you dont accept the treatment if you need it.
thank u, oji. those embryos ARE already living humans from the moment the sperm fertilizes the egg and become a new, wonderful human being, with his dna information and the potential to grow and become full developed adults. it doesn't matter if they still don't have a brain, or if they have fewer cells than we have: they have the potential to become
yes they have the potential to be human. But they are not human. billions of sperm are released for inscemenation. all of them have the potential to be human. but only one of them makes it. How do you feel about that? billions of potential human beings killed.
-if they had the required conditions to develop they'd have if they were fertilized naturally, in a woman's body- a person as intelligent, healthy and spiritual as u and me
A womans egg and Sperms are killed every month naturally they are living cells. Id rather save living people then a few cells that were never going to become humans.
Who are 'they'? The politicians who benefit politically by keeping the issue alive? The businesses who have already invested deeply and don't want their stockholders uncomfortably? Researchers looking for grants (first 3/4billion of CA's 'stem cell initiative' goes to new labs and primarily for 'embryonic' stem cell research)? The ignorant? Who are the 'they' to which you refer?
I put up videos where your own stem cells are regenerating body parts, making functional organs (for people), 'cure' Type 1 diabetes, MS, have paralyzed up, and much more - from news and Journal of American Medicine Reports. The future is now, and it doesn't involve stem cells from embryos. Indeed, other stem cells not only exist to seek/repair damage, they make excellent agents for gene/drug transport (and you don't have to regulate 3,000 genes to maintain them, see 06/13/07 journal Cell.)
Nope. The preliminary test for embryonic stem cells (ES) is inject under skin and check for tumor formation. No Tumor = No Embryonic Stem Cells. 100% rats developed brain tumors 10 wks into recent Parkinson's study. That's why no where in the world are they using ESs, even in clinical trials. 'Bad things happen' applies Obama's words. Tissues from ES are rejected by recipient; researchers are abandoning for iPS and other stem cells are doing what hES promise. ES are dangerous and obsolete.
then why are they talking about it still? this is a serious question and please don't think I am being sarcastic, I really want to know why it is an issue if it won't work????
god is raping america
RavensOfMyFuneral 1 year ago
If I lost an arm, I would never take an engineered stem cell arm. It just makes me think of having the chopped off arm of a baby. (I know thats not literally what happened, but still it makes me cringe a little.)
darkxoasis 1 year ago
Check out planned parenthood racism, eugenics, exposed on youtube.
2000yrCatholic 1 year ago
a "leftover" embryo is no less human than any other human embryo.
A blastocyst( 3 to 5 day old embryo) is not really destroyed. It is separated, and it lives on as developing human tissue. After differentiating into heart, pancreas, nerve tissues, etc., those deemed less profitable are thrown in the trash.
In essence, a 9 month old "stem cell line" is a newborn's body parts growing in separate dishes, awaiting sale for profit.
Corporations should not own human beings.
oran6es 2 years ago
obama voted 2 times for stem cell research.
But he voted against it once
McCain always voted for it
mrvulcan2 2 years ago
McCain voted for stem cell research bills
mrvulcan2 2 years ago
So lets say america decides not to go through with it. What going to stop other countries? Is america going to go in and stop them? I wonder what the outcome of that situation would be. Oh yes! I know! It would be world war 3! weeee that would be fun! I'm sure all religious enthusiasts and human rights activists would just love that.
fVc4FACE 2 years ago
@fVc4FACE World War Three is not going to happen over stem cell research because the only countries developed and complex enough are to smart to do so. Even if they do, America isn't going to start a war over and lose lives because they think some other country is doing an immoral activity. There are hundreds of other immoral activities going on and you don't see World War 3 happening, do you? Ex. production of Nuclear bombs.
darkxoasis 1 year ago
obortion is an obomination to the Lord our God
KeanuReeeves 2 years ago
OUR God? YOUR God.
fVc4FACE 2 years ago
I love God, Jesus and Holy Spirit,, but i also believe strongly in new developments in science..
may this new road lead down the rite path
Jamesss101 2 years ago
the lord said first seek the Kingdom of God, is obomination doing this with obortion?
KeanuReeeves 2 years ago
do u think the kingdom of god is a world where the adults -the ones whose life is respected, they have been born or they have been selected from a group of embryos- decide on who's gonna come to the world?
tducci 2 years ago
reword your question? it seems like a nonsense question of neither here nor there
KeanuReeeves 2 years ago
sorry i guess i didn't understand ur old comment. i'm not fluent in english
tducci 2 years ago
all I can say to you is , Thou Shalt Not Kill
KeanuReeeves 2 years ago
god is the biggest killer of all. 10% of all births the baby, and sometimes mom dies giving birth, right now. That number was much higher many years ago. So god is the biggest pro-abortion of all time.
Omid45 2 years ago
so u think u can compare urself with god? u think u got the power-intelligence-greatness god got to decide on people's life?
anyway, i accept god is the biggest killer. he has killed practically the whole humanity -or tolerated their homicide-, but ¿does it make him the biggest homicide-supporter of all time? maybe we shoud stop trying to be god
tducci 2 years ago
i knew this shady liar would be a horrible prez. what a joke. shame on all who followed the over hyped hippy and voted for him. wow!!!! good bye to common sense and decensy.
masterghul 2 years ago
yea and rush limbaugh is your savior huh..too bad you and the rest of the repugnican a-holes lost your an idiot
williegeazer 2 years ago
i guess you are willing to pay the ultimate price in the end for being "free and liberal".i see you have lost your common sense. congratulations. make your stand for your selfishness. forget others
masterghul 2 years ago 2
i wish obama was an embryo in an stem cell research lab, i'd like to hear what he'd say
tducci 3 years ago 2
The embroys are already dead from abortions you idiot.
ojideagu 2 years ago
well, ojideau, i'll change the sentence if u want to: I wish Obama was an embryo in a test-tube ready to be aborted and sent to a stem cell research lab, i'd like to hear what he'd say
tducci 2 years ago
Abortion has nothing to do with stem cell research. They are already dead and would be burned. That life can help save future lives. Hes not making women have Abortions is he you idiot.
ojideagu 2 years ago
2 things:
in the case some of them, or maybe all of them, are already dead. who killed them, or who didn't asume the responsibility of the embryo's life? obviously the scientists who induced the embryos birth (and the parents who wanted to have the in vitro fertilization) are naturally responsible of the live embryos whose life they have induced. if they let them die in the test tube (without providing them with the food, warmth, water they need), or burn them, they are technically killing them
tducci 2 years ago
so i don't agree, first of all, with in vitro fertilization and the multiple lifes induced in there that are gonna be "discarded" sooner or later.
the 2nd thing is, if what u say is true, stem cell investigation works with corpses of embryos that have been "discarded", which means, killed in an evil way, comparable with nazis massacre of jews surplus. so, even if that embryos were dead, investigating with their dead bodies would be as evil as killing them
tducci 2 years ago
Its worth it for the millions of lives they could save
ojideagu 2 years ago
I bet you or your family will be the first person to use the disease treatment that comes from stem cell research. Fucking hypocrite.
ojideagu 2 years ago
wrong bet. and trust me, the millions of lives they could PROBABLY (till today they haven't saved any life) save, are nothing compared to the ZILLIONS of lifes that are taken to provide material for investigation or, hipothetically, treatment. and you think the lifes of the born, grown-up persons are worthier than the ones in the test tube because they had the chance to grow up and be loved by some people around them -parents, friends, etc-
tducci 2 years ago
but life's worth doesn't depend on how developed u are, or how useful u are for society, or how loved u are. in that case unconcious, sick, disabled, unloved people's life could be taken to help other people.
tducci 2 years ago
Those embryos were never CLOSE to being living humans. If they find cures for cancer or disablilty or new organs I hope you dont accept the treatment if you need it.
ojideagu 2 years ago
thank u, oji. those embryos ARE already living humans from the moment the sperm fertilizes the egg and become a new, wonderful human being, with his dna information and the potential to grow and become full developed adults. it doesn't matter if they still don't have a brain, or if they have fewer cells than we have: they have the potential to become
tducci 2 years ago
yes they have the potential to be human. But they are not human. billions of sperm are released for inscemenation. all of them have the potential to be human. but only one of them makes it. How do you feel about that? billions of potential human beings killed.
fVc4FACE 2 years ago
first of all, i said EMBRYOS. and embryos are not potentially human, they are ACTUALLY human. they are potentially adults, developed people
tducci 2 years ago
No, they have the POTENTIAL to be human. But the embryos being used for research are ones that would be discarded, anyway.
Youknowlolol 2 years ago
i'm not gonna give you the philosphical-scientific explanation of why embryos are actually human
tducci 2 years ago
-if they had the required conditions to develop they'd have if they were fertilized naturally, in a woman's body- a person as intelligent, healthy and spiritual as u and me
tducci 2 years ago
A womans egg and Sperms are killed every month naturally they are living cells. Id rather save living people then a few cells that were never going to become humans.
ojideagu 2 years ago
When and where did obama have this forum?
starite06 3 years ago
in medford oregon march 22 2008
williegeazer 3 years ago
Who are 'they'? The politicians who benefit politically by keeping the issue alive? The businesses who have already invested deeply and don't want their stockholders uncomfortably? Researchers looking for grants (first 3/4billion of CA's 'stem cell initiative' goes to new labs and primarily for 'embryonic' stem cell research)? The ignorant? Who are the 'they' to which you refer?
WayCurious 3 years ago 2
I put up videos where your own stem cells are regenerating body parts, making functional organs (for people), 'cure' Type 1 diabetes, MS, have paralyzed up, and much more - from news and Journal of American Medicine Reports. The future is now, and it doesn't involve stem cells from embryos. Indeed, other stem cells not only exist to seek/repair damage, they make excellent agents for gene/drug transport (and you don't have to regulate 3,000 genes to maintain them, see 06/13/07 journal Cell.)
WayCurious 3 years ago
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When you use embryonic stem cells, bad things happen - like tumors and death.
AnnOnimousiAm 3 years ago
i really hope thats a joke
HaleyJoanne 3 years ago
actually he annonimous is correct.
but that's like saying if you drive a car, bad things happen like accidents.
bad things always have a chance to happen, but only with research can we understand the problems to find solutions.
so ann, nice try, but 5 thumbs down for you!
markosaur 3 years ago
Nope. The preliminary test for embryonic stem cells (ES) is inject under skin and check for tumor formation. No Tumor = No Embryonic Stem Cells. 100% rats developed brain tumors 10 wks into recent Parkinson's study. That's why no where in the world are they using ESs, even in clinical trials. 'Bad things happen' applies Obama's words. Tissues from ES are rejected by recipient; researchers are abandoning for iPS and other stem cells are doing what hES promise. ES are dangerous and obsolete.
WayCurious 3 years ago
then why are they talking about it still? this is a serious question and please don't think I am being sarcastic, I really want to know why it is an issue if it won't work????
BoloMachete 3 years ago