@papadoc711 I never deleted any comment and unlike yourself I don't spend every minute of the day on the internet talking shit about politics, i have this thing called a job and a life.
lol i have that thing too, 6 days a week they called it a job and i train 4 of those days, lol its not easy BIG lad, don't judge anyone you don't know, lol i think that loyalist side does shine of on you
and by the way....weres the other comment, lol i posted two??
lol another wee fact for ya -Black loyalist- the orange order have stronge ties with the KKK and combat 18, you do know who they are, don't ya, LOL
@papadoc711 i approved all your comments, you make me laugh with your shit. the OO have NEVER EVER had ties with the kkk or c18, this comment exposes you for the blatant liar you are. Go to the 12th in Belfast you will see people of all races together, some in the bands or oo as well. And eys I know very well who they are, ethnic nationalist terrorist groups, although c18 don't even exist anymore (if they ever did) unlike the IRA who bomb people even still.
@papadoc711 Some facts for you son: in the 1800's there was a black guy in the shankill leading a loyalist mob, in the 70's/ 80's there were black members in the UDA (one was sent to make arms deals with c18, but these are not links as such just negotiations, the black guy was sent to make a point they didn't care about racist crap) the UDA was run by two half Egyptian brothers, there was a Hong Kong Chinese guy in jail for the UVF, there are black and asian members of the oo and loyalist bands
@papadoc711 there are branches of the oo in Ghana, Togo and Nigeria, an entirely black lodge in Manchester, a Miohawk native American lodge in Canada. The original protestant team in Glasgow Queens Park had the World's first black player, hearts also had a black player in the 1800's, rangers later signed Walter Tull who died fighting for Britain at the Somme. Celtic later signed Giles Heron, who supported Rangers!
@papadoc711 Rangers later signed Mark walters, and when he made his debut at parkhead the cletic support threw so many bananas at him they had to stop the game to clear the ground! They even let in their supporters dressed in full gorrilla outfits ffs. Only one rangers fan made a racist remark, he was reported by his fellow fans and banned for life from Ibrox. Not a single celtic fan was banned by the club.
@papadoc711 Now compare that to the IRA and other nationalist organisations who have never had a single non white member, and Ireland also has the lowest number of non white citizens in the World. Britian has always been multicultural, we have had asian and jewish politicans and prime ministers for well over a century. So please just stop with your crap already! Loyalists are not racist, no matter how many comments you make on here
@toughnumber considering how the irish treated jews in the past (limerick pogrom, de valera, ww2, ireland versus israel football) you've got a cheek talking about the brits. Also look up draft riots
@RafflesGT I've heard of the draft riots, some bad stuff for sure.If you like American immigrant history theres a book called "Becoming American under fire". I'm Irish but I'm not some sheep who blindly supports every decision his country makes, If you want to support a supremacist sectarian organization go ahead, enjoy all the lovely bigots you'll meet , sure you might even get to bash a few Fenians or immigrants along the way! Meanwhile the rest of us Brits n Irish can get along just grand.
@toughnumber which 'supremacist' organisation would that be? The supremacists/ sectarians/ bigots are the nationalists, with their motto of brits out ' ireland for the irish' etc. I have no problem with Irish whatseover but fuck republicans and fuck nationalists.
@RafflesGT That would be the organization that loves to go to areas that they are not wanted to prove how supreme they are and the right wing fascist paramilitaries.Anyone who uses such mottos are not Irish,they're bigots and an embarrassment. I wish to have a country at peace with equal rights for every citizen regardless of color or creed.I choose to reject all bigots but you choose to reject Republican bigots by supporting Loyalist bigots.ALL paramilitaries here are noting but scumbags.
@toughnumber Yes I agree fuck the right wing paramilitaries like IRA that go into areas like the Fountain and cluan place. There already is a country at peace, and with equal rights for every citizen of every colour and creed, its called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I don't really buy into your equal rights spiel, its obvious from your comments you are heavily biased in favour of republicans
@RafflesGT Considering they were a leftwing paramilitary thats an odd thing to say! Take it how you like but being an ultra nationalist like yourself any voice of reason could be considered biased. Half my family are born in England, I go there a lot and most of the people I meet are good honest people many of whom are proud to be British and thats a good thing. The only British people I see with such right-wing ultra-nationalist views are white racists and NI loyalists!
@toughnumber If you mean stalinist then yeah i'll give you that.. But I am no ultranationalist! Britain is not only a union of four nationalities (English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh) but they have extensive links through the commonwealth and British includes people of a myriad of faiths, unlike the theocratic 'free' state. My mother is English and I grew up in Scotland and went to a Catholic school, where I got a lot of anti-English racist abuse even from a teacher who was a nun!
@toughnumber the nationalist parties is the UK are Sinn Fein, RSF, NF, BNP, SNP, Plaid Cymru, but only Sinn Fein and BNP actively engage with terrorist groups, IRA, C18 and Forza Nuova respectively. The BNP have recently been talking to ex-IRA man Gerry McGeough, and both parties have also tried to link to Gaddafis dictatorship in Libya. Incidentally the BNP have had Jewish, Turkish cypriot, and Sikh members, SF your antiracist paramilitary have had none. Strange huh?
@toughnumber Out of interest what is your definition of Irish exactly? What makes someone fit to be a member of the eireann race?
Btw since you're so adamantly against republican bigots perhaps you could comment on the cranberries zombie video, a song written against violence in northern ireland after an IRA bomb killed two children, but some republicans there seem to be under the impression it is a video glorifying the IRA, perhaps you can put them straight!
@RafflesGT Someone who was born in Ireland I guess. same way someone born in England is English or in France is French etc fit to be a member haha I dont know there is good and bad people here like any country. The IRA were murdering scum, the UDA/UVF were murdering scum.They dragged this country through the mud the whole lot of them whilst the silent majority had to live in fear. Two wrongs don't make a right, and how is it glorifying the IRA when it is obvious it is an anti-violence song?
@toughnumber It isn't, thats my point, that republicans are making out its a pro-IRA propaganda song when it is anything but!! And btw the UDA and UVF were created to defend British citizens from IRA attacks.I'm not saying they were angelic but to compare them to a group who purposely set bombs off to kill innocent civilians for political ends is laughable.
@RafflesGT Camon Anyone who says its pro-IRA is obviously either completely stupid or tone deaf.So murdering innocent people for no other reason than their religion is defending British citizens from attack is it?Is it laughable to leave someone a vegetable for the rest of their lives after they've been beaten to a pulp because of their religion?or maybe 83% civilian deaths are worth 4% republican deaths eh.Look you cant defend the indefensible, the IRA are scumbags and the UDA/UVF are scumbags
@toughnumber The British citizens were in a state of terror, with bombs going off left right and centre aimed at british civilians, people who had no political engagement whatsoever. The loyalist paramilitaries started by trying to gather information on IRA suspects and assasinate them, no easy task considering even the British police, with all their current technology, resources, time and manpower struggled to keep up with the mayhem. Not to mention these people were well protected in.. TBC
@toughnumber ..in their communties. So as the troubles got worse and worse, they did regrettably begin to target catholic civilians in the hopes it would stop the bloodshed, in retrospect thats possibly the worst thing they could have done but its easy to judge in hindsight, if you put yourself in their shoes they had lost family members and friends, and were very much under threat themselves. At the height of the troubles they even bombed Dublin, which was widely condemned by loyalists and..TBC
@RafflesGT Oh yeah I remember, yabadaba do any fenian will do.. Hiding and supporting terrorists?oh Im sorry we murdered your son, we know he was innocent but sure he lived in a catholic area so he must support the IRA.You are trying to defend murderers of innocent people, people who had nothing to do with the ira.Those workmen who were killed by the IRA because they were protestant, I suppose they were living in protestant areas so they must be hiding and supporting loyalist terrorists then.BS!
@toughnumber Remember that the IRA were indiscriminately murdering British citizens, and the loyalists were responding to those attacks. So yes as I said the loyalists were wrong to target innocent civilians, but they did so out of self-defence. The Catholic areas knew well who were responisble for the atrocities, but did nothing to prevent them or prosecute them. Its understandable given the violent vengeful draconian nature of the IRA, but the fact remains a lot of people were complicit.
@toughnumber I am not defending every member of the paramiltary organisations, I'm simply saying there is a big difference between a group that set off bombs in shopping centres and memorials etc to targetting people from nationalist areas who were in loyalist areas at a time of conflict.
@toughnumber ..later apoligised for, for what its worth. Just to be clear the subjects weren't targetted for their religion per se, it was because they were believed to be part of a community that were felt to be hiding and supporting terrorists, although as you say people on both sides condemened the atrocities of their 'own people'. And as with the IRA some nasty people used the situation to their own ends.
@toughnumber I still haven't seen you comment on that video, is it possible that you only attack those who support the UDA and UVF, despite your claims you are equally opposed to the IRA?
And how can you compare left of center Irish Nationalism with hardline right wing British Nationalists..They are completely opposite, and last I heard loyalists are friends with c18 and neo-nazi groups in England
@toughnumber and where did you hear that? Let me guess, a left wing republican website? First of all I'm not convinced C18 even exist anymore, they are either skinhead BNP fantasists or boogeymen dreamed up by communist groups. There have been a few people caught in possession of bombs and guns etc, but I've never heard of any actual attacks in recent years. There's even speculation the enitre thing was a sting operation to flush out militant fascists. Certainly they don't compare to RIRA, CIRA
@toughnumber common 'knowledge' if you spend your time on leftwing republican propaganda sites sure, but if you bothered to actually ask loyalists then you'd find that is nothing more than a slanderous lie, or an exaggerated myth.
@toughnumber the RIRA incidentally who are linked to US neo Nazi groups, possibly the Aryan Brotherhood. The BNP (who C18 are a spinoff of) were linked recently to Gerry McGeough, an ex-IRA member. As for being left of center, whatever they are they use violence and terror to acheive their political goals, that doesn't seem liberal or socialist to me but hey each to their own.
@RafflesGT So some american nutjobs decide to release a leaflet with rira on it and suddenly theres links! Is that the same Gerry McGeough who became disgusted with what he perceives as the socially "liberal" views of "nouveau Sinn Fein. And oh yeah throwing a petrol bomb in someones house and burning thier children alive is a sort of good way to bomb innocent people then. If there's one loyalist I actually admire though I have to say David Ervine was a great man, I wish he was still around.
@toughnumber like how some bnp members allegedly handed out leaflets at ibrox (there's no evidence for such a thing btw) now it is supposedly a far right conspiracy implicating rangers football club and all its fans? Gerry McGeough is basically a dissident, a hardline republican who rejects power-sharing and peace. Like the RIRA he thinks blowing kids apart is the way to eradicate sectarianism, it would be funny if it wasn't so tragic!
@toughnumber you talk about civil rights but what civil rights did the protestants burned from their homes in the 'free state' have exactly? Do you honestly envisage a United Ireland, protestants and cathoics living together peacefully on the back of a succesful IRA bombing campaign? The riots in Dublin that prevented the orange order from marching goes to show just how tolerant the republicans are does it? Bomb us some more, then we'll definately want a United Ireland and there will be peace!
@RafflesGT A united Ireland can only be achieved with the support of the protestant people in the North and through the ballot box, not the bullet. Peace.
@toughnumber one thing I agree though is about David Ervine, a great man and an example to us all. He is a major loss to the PUP and the working class of NI, both protestant and catholic, loyalist and nationalist.
People read so much into this video about Canadian history!!!! Thank you for this song and video. I personally would like to know the names of the "sport stars" and to know if they are Canadians. I am assuming they are. We are so clueless here.
@RafflesGT I am from Scotland and was brought up a catholic, although I would not describe myself as a catholic now. However, I find it very strange that a black man would associate himself with a culture that has strong racist tendencies, at least in central Scotland it has.
@thetaxmanknows that is such a load of crap! Celtic support the IRA, an ethnic nationalist group who fought for the nazis and want to ethnically cleanse nrothern Irleand of British people and unite with the republic of ireland, one of the whitest countries in the world. Celtic are the racists, and catholics are pedophiles. Go fuck yourself
@RafflesGT the ra helped the nazis because they were the huns enemy an enemy of an enemy is a friend you prick you dont see the bnp outside parkhead but you see them outside ibrox so get your facts right prick
@manie786 Nah you don't, that is a lie used to slander rangers by celtic fans, when rangers signed Mark Walters then Basile Boli the NF used to go to Parkhead with 'Pakis out of Britain, Brits out of Ireland' banners and elicit support. Intersting however that you think the enemy of my enemy bullshit justifies supporting the Nazis (who killed 6 Million Jews) but not the BNP (who actually have a Jewish member) btw fuck the BNP just saying the two hardly compare..
lol nazie salutes,nazie flags, combat 18, lol google image it, loyalist nazies lol and you see many many pictures, plus the royal family have links to hitlers group also, the queens cousin was part of the nazie movemnet, there have also been an increase in loyalist rasical attacks in N.Ireland,
@papadoc711 yes there are a small minority, and many at celtic and republican groups too. You can't use a few stupid individuals to slander an entire group of people, thats tantamount to racism also, the same tactics the BNP would use. The Royal Family fought against Hitler, your precious Pope at the time supported them to the hilt, and guess what, your current Pope did too! As did De Valera and Sean Russell and Frank Ryan..
@papadoc711 the 'rasical' attacks in NI (which btw are a sick thing to use for political point-scoring) have been condemned by the UDA and UVF. In NI there are many many non white loyalists, some who were members of the UDA and UVF, going back to the 1800's when a black guy evicted Catholics from the Shankill. On the 12th you see tens of black, asian and chinese at the celebrations of the Boyne, and some even in the bands and lodges.
Great video. Sterotyping is SO easy to do and often SO wrong. What many forget today is that the founding purpose of the IRA was to create a united Ireland as a COMMUNIST state. So any talk from them of democracy is just a lie. Adams & McGuiness in govt? Not just a lie but an absolute piss take!
@mitchking2006 Yeah, and the marxists have always openly expressed their desire to use the "victim status" of the black community to their advantage. It pleases me to see blacks who are not shills of the communist international, there are some who are on our side, as they should be. Of course the papist nazi's in Combat 18 and other groups would like to associate Ulster loyalism with themselves because they only wish they could be as brave.
@WorshipInTruth Well said brother, the real fight is the fight for Democracy against Totalitarianism in all its forms; communism, socialism, national socialism, fascism.
Just look at the history of Sinn Fein/ IRA and you will soon realise they have no regard for equality or human rights or democracy. That includes the rights of their 'own people' incidentally.
Taco
Yes some African Nations chose to be Independent of the United Kingdom, and went about it peacefully and nonviolently. Others were forcibly split when the UK joined world war 1 and could not afford to maintain the Empires schools, hospitals, roads etc, they remain members of the Commonwealth
Hello Hello you illiterate, inbred progeny of twatness. Just for a change, why don't you and your subjugated ilk go for a drum led wander, headed by crimplonene swathed stupidity to the house where other similarly clad ingrates gather to celebrate their 'culchur'. A wee bit of adivce - next time round, go to school, learn to read and write and perhaps you'll be assimilated into semi-decent society (you've never seen it - don't try and comment on it).
@nattybhoy hail! Which society is this in particular? The Ardoyne? The Falls road? Are these the epitome of society and education to which we must aspire? Tell me, at your segregated sectarian Catholic schools is it the nuns that teach you to wire bombs or the priests? Or are they just in charge of sex education?
Was that living up to expectation, me being such an inbred etc? Can we now elevate ourselves to a more sophisticated level of debate? If indeed debate is what you seek..
@RafflesGT Yes... very effective to disguise true political intentions behind a façade of patriotic rhetoric. The Rebellious colonists did in 1775 and the IRA do the same.
lol dickhead have you ever heard of the CRM, the irish civil rights movement, that was attacked everytime they marched on the streets by the unionist government,
lol and the irish no nothing of democracy, lol democracy yea the british know all about that when they have A QUEEN, who rules over them,
have you ever heard of the upv, who bombed and killed before there was a PIRA,
@papadoc711 the CRM that was basically a front for IRA activism? yeah sure, but they weren't atatcked by the Government, they incited loyalist communities by attacking them, and then, as usual, played the martyrs.
You think the Queen rules over us? lol good one, she has no power at all, keep reading your illuminati grey aliens conspiracy theory bollocks. The catholic church in the 'free' state however DO hold a massive amount of power.
@papadoc711 Have you ever heard of the fenian brotherhood, who bombed london and invaded Canada long before the UPV. That great democracy that is, bomb people to achieve political power..
beal - who have the orange order murdered recently? I'd be interested to know. Also I have friends that deal crack cocaine, but I don't take it myself. How does that fit with your stereotyped simplified view of the World?
WorshipInTruth
Precisely, the Republicans fail to realise the great irony that they talk about opression and tyranny, yet they want a Communist organisation to oust a Democratic Government. A group that has incidentally ruled them with terror, violence, intimidation, and lies.
Raffles G you are one seriously sick minded individual. You support the murdering orange filth & condone Britains occupation of Ireland with a mind full of cartoons. You must be a crack addict. Embarrassing to all of your black brothers
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. Colossians 3:11
Great Video. Just want to add my support and gratitude to our brethren from all corners of the world, I hate seeing Orange culture being tainted with the racist brush as the IRA have been trying to do with their propaganda and I hope those that are brainwashed into Racism can see their way out of that evil. No Surrender
there Racism is targeted at irish catholics, you can't marry a catholic, you can't employ a catholic, catholics cant join etc etc the same as the KKK,
by the way, just to add on, your 12th had nothing to do with religion, Why?? because he yoru dutch king was backed by the roman catholic pope and the spanish,
@papadoc711 Its nothing to do with catholicism, its to do with republicanism. the KKK are an ultranationalist secret ethnic terrorist group, like the IRA, they bomb and kill people they don't think should be in 'their country'.. And your secodn point proves my point, there were Catholics fighting at the Boyne for the loyalists, so how can you say we're religious bigots when we still celebrate the 12th? And you need to learn some respect for other cultures especially if you want a UNITED Ireland!
lol how funny because the ornage order claim every single year it has EVERYTHING to do with protestants and catholics, i live here in belfast ulster, i think i would know,
lol haha the kkk was founded by an ulster scot, an -Orange man- how dare you even claim the kkk in the same sentence as the IRA,
lol, you reallly need to understand who bombed and shot people first, they weren't in the IRA, lol in fact the IRA never existed at the time,
@papadoc711 The Orange Order are a Protestant fraternity, they simply reject Papal Authority or ultramontainism, not individual Catholics. The apprentice Boys allow Catholics to join, and indeed a few Catholics are members I believe.
WTF?! An Ulster Scot, and indeed an orangeman formed the KKK!? :D Omg what are you on? No wondering you're laughing so hard!! Irish Republicans formed the Aryan Brotherhood, maybe thats where you're getting confused?
lol i'm not going to give you a lesson here in irish history because i would be here all day, look up the upv, they planted the first bomb in N.ireland, they were IRISH, look up the uvf they shot dead innocent civilians years before the formation of the PIRA, look up the black n tans, who carried out massacres through out ireland, look up cromwell the english man who enslaved the irish and killed over 1/4 of the population,
@papadoc711 Look up the fenian brotherhood, they planted bombs in London in the 1800's, look up the Ulster and Portadown Massacres of 1641-2 (which killed half the planter population) and before Cromwell even landed in Ireland, before that Irish regularly bought english slaves. A protestant orphanage was burnt in the 'free state' in 1938, indeed 41,000 protestants were driven out of Ireland between 1921 and 1923.
lol i stated that pope connection and that catholic fought for william to state a point, orange men claim that protestant fought for william when catholic fought for a fellow catholic king james which it false, as they fought on both side, like antoher litlle fact they stated that williams troops wore orange, lol yet again thats falsh they wore GREEN,
wake up, and don't go into a debate were you no nothing about, for example about the IRA,
@papadoc711 How many orangemen do you actually know? Because its pretty obvious I know more about the IRA than you do the orange order! Please show me where orangemen say that WIlliam's troops wore orange! xd
do you know the religion of some of ireland greatest patriots??
do you know about the IRB??
do you know anything about the irish civil rights movement???
the irish slaves, the british ports during the great hunger, the penial laws, the right to bare arms, the plantition?? lol any clue... your ignoring facts and glorifying the wrong done by britian, admit at least that....
lol haha how is that when there irish fighting in ireland you fucking twat, british soldiers in ireland is that not impearlism, the troubles started not long after the civil rights movement, ever heard of that, ya know the same thing that martin luther king did, that were we got the idea, then they were attacked by the ruc and uvf, shot at, missles thrown, beat off the streets, hoem attacked and burnt out, entire areas and estates,
@papadoc711 why do you have to start every sentence with 'lol' it makes you sound really fucking stupid, more so than the comments that follow it even. But anyway yeah Northern Ireland is part of the UK, therefore the UK army are based there, its not rocket science. Yeah the civil rights movement was Irish people pretending they were being opressed like black people in the US, a very offensive concept to anyone that suffered segregation. It was hijacked from the start by the IRA using it to riot
@papadoc711 You've been reading too much republican propaganda shite lololololmaorofl ha ha ha ho ho ho hee hee hee hardy hurr hurr. But yeah anyway it was a three way battle, the republicans setting off bombs in shopping centres and war memorials etc, the loyalists targetting ira members and the security forces trying to restore peace and arrest the killers.
lol no they held up in a post office after a gun battle with the british, thats what you would do if you were smart, fine cover, my lord,.... pretended your fucking sick, there was no such thin as the PIRA during the civil rights movement, the uvf were killing civilian decades before the formation of the group,
i know about irish and black slaves in england, barbados, america etc lol so i want to hear about this, preach... your bullshit again
@papadoc711 The IRA have existed since the Easter Rising, and have been fairly active the whole time. The UVF never really targetted civilians they were the Peoples Army there to defend their communities from terrorist attacks.
lol slavery ho ho how funny.. But yeah English slaves were sold in Dublin long before the catholic countries even started the african slave trade.
@papadoc711 civilians for over 300 years of ethnic cleansing, protestants and catholics alike murdered by the irish nationalists, bombs, shootings, and executions (including hundreds of 'your own people') fiighting for the catholic supremacy while they abuse your children and cover it up, and send pregnant girls to work camps like the magdalene ones. Pogroms against jews, antisemitism, pro Naziism and Fascism, civil war, support of Franco, Hitler, Stalin.. Do you admit your own wrongs?
300 years, you posted 1 fact about the IRB that targeted a government building the same people in it who didn't give a fuck about irish children and what was actually going on in ireland at the time,
lol it had nothing to do with catholics and protestants thats what the british wanted people to believe so they would have every right to be there, who know the english ruled ireland when they were a catholic state, the irish still fought them.
@papadoc711 yes because to the irish its a war of ethnic nationalism, 'them and us' mentality. The Fenian Brotherhood, IRB and IRA all of them targetted civilians, protestant and catholic, men, women and children who had no part in your war.
lol Pogroms against jews, de valera a jew, not to mention the thosands that were taken into belfast and dublin during and after the war. pro nazie, lol your getting us confused with loyalist you twat, pro hitler, lol guess you you don't know the royal family was PRO NAIZI as well, as the queens cousin sat along side won of hitlers top boys wereing the nazie symbol, prasing the nazie slaute,
@papadoc711 'lol pogroms against jews' de valera was not jewish, in fact he was very antisemitic. He even offered his condolences on the death of Hitler, and during the war the British offered to end partition if Ireland fought against the nazis, but that was flatly refused. Jews were blocked form Ireland in ww2, many even sent back to certain death. The Vatican and the catholic church supported Mussilini, Franco and Hitler from the start, the royal family condoned goign to war against the nazis
and to in afirca its constand, franco, eion duffy and les than 700 when went there, lol and didn't fight a day, and were sent home, why beacuse they heard they would be fighting again the basques, and if you don't know the irish and them are very close, stalin, lol when and how can you prove that bullshit you just posted,
i want to also add, that there were millions of irish american and irish that fought again nazism, for the french, american, and british,
@papadoc711 hundreds of Irishmen volunteered to fight for Franco, but O'Duffy (ex IRA man) chose only 'the best' for his greenshirt brigade, and yeah they were basically crap soldiers, who had no idea how to fight in a real war. On the other side the Irish soldiers refused to join the much larger British Battalion because many of them had loyalist sympathies, and one of them was even recognised as a black and tan. Frank Ryan later moved to Berlin with Sean Russel as guests of the Nazis.
@papadoc711 And I didn't mean any disrespect to the great many who fought against the Nazis. Many of them were even imprisoned on their return to ireland, and faced persecution for their 'treachery'.
All Nationalism is bollocks, no matter what kind, people killing and being killed for Governments who do not give two fucks about them and who'll shit on them when required. I'm talking about all countries and nationalities.
I kind of agree, though its a sad state of afairs when comunitys have to arm themselves to defend or push forward there cause because there governments dont give a toss.
Also one other point, you have in one of your replies above "and they hold your communities under terror and intimidation, lies and criminality", yet you have Ihab Shoukri RIP?? I agree with you on paramilitaries doing the above but dont say it's a bad thing then praise someone who is responsible for the very thing you condemn.
I'm not aware of the late Mr Shoukri terrorising anyone as the IRA did, the UDA and UVF were formed to defend their communities. In the former instance the UDA did deal in drugs which I disagree withe but then they didn't have Noraid throwing thousands of dollars at them. One point about Ulster Loyalism it is not Nationalism, they want Union with Great Britain (itself a Union) and by extension the Commonwealth.
i bet bishop tutu and nelson mandela would call you an ignorant traitor to the black race.the scum you bow to ,are the one's who but chain 's on your people ,and you stupid cunt are telling me about oppression ,what planet are you living on ?is'nt two million irish people dying of starvation ,as the english stole our food and live stock enough prove for you ,remember the longest "occupation "in the world is here in ireland,keep bowing to your master's traitor,slavery is a myth by england lol
Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela have differing ideas, but the one thing they have in common is they want to bring peace, not live in the past and continue hatred and violence as Sinn Fein/ IRA do. They thrive on conflict and division. Its time to leave the past behind, not forget but forgive and move on with all our lives. Again I'll remind you the Irish were as much part of slavery as the British, denying that is similar to you Nationalists denial of the Holocaust.
The potato famine was a natural disaster, it affected Protestants and Catholics alike. The "occupation" was popular at the time, we brought education and civil liberties to Ireland. You keep serving your masters in SF, just remember they have killed more of 'your people' than we have, and they hold your communities under terror and intimidation, lies and criminality. PS since all British people are to blame for slavery all Irish people are to blame for terrorism and child abuse.
ireland was never part of britain as far as the irish people where concerned,you stupid cunt's bow to your capture's ,us irish did'nt ,do they still call you sambo?was'nt that the name they called you back in the day ,stay subservant boy .
Ulster was never part of Ireland either. Its very offensive to any black person to suggest they bowed to their captors, they fought heroically for their freedom rather than just bombing and killing civilians to take control. Its also ridiculous to compare Irish to blacks at any time, what would the Irish know of hardship or oppression? Maybe when they were hanging little girls in the Draft Riots?
Englands wealth was based on slavery ,Bristol ,Liverpool, london.Not one slave ship left Irish ports. Raffles! Singapore? 115.000 Allied troops.The biggest mass surrender in british military history,led by the shifty bastard coward PERCIVAL,who when in Ireland with the notorious essex regiment and the black and tans Scum torched Cork city and innocent civilians.Check out "The World at War"Singapore/The fall of,Cowardly bastard,watch his shifty eyes.Piss running down his leg.Priceless.
Englands wealth was irelands wealth at that time. A lot of black people in America have Irish names, taken from their slave owner forefathers. Ireland has as much blame as England, France or Spain etc at the time. I can't say I'm familiar with this historical character and I don't really care to be honest. Watch the Omagh bomb and Catholic and Protestant children alike torn limb from limb and their families with them. Wonderful!
The only time in history Ireland has ever been united was under British Rule. Until then Ireland was made up of small regions ruled by local warlords. The Ulster Scots have never been ruled from Dublin.
precisely, without the British Empire Ireland would have no schools, no hospitals, education, law and order, civilisation, culture (except gaylick harping on music). In fact the Republic of Iraland would probably be nothing more than a series of pig farms run by inbred drunken redneck yokels. Can you imagine? :D
Thats the 'Earls' from the flight of the Earls. Irish history paints the 'Earls' in a romantic light when they were more of less tyrants like the lords & knights' from medevil England.
PERCIVAL: World At War.The biggest mass surrender in brit military history.Hard man in county Cork with the black and tans and the essex reg against unarmed(as usual) Irish.Watch the Docu,World at war and watch the cringing bastards face.10.000 Australians had just landed 2 days before and were marched off into captivity without firing a shot,.The japanese called them cowardly animals,and would treat them as such.Watch his face when the Japanese General slams the table.Priceless
I haven't a clue what you're on about, sorry. Again though it looks as though you're living in the past. Lets talk about the Inquisition, or the New York Draft riots, the massacre of Protestants in 1641, the Omagh bomb.
its funny black's being loyal to england ,how loyal where the slave's the english brought to america ?you would have fought against the zulu's i bet ,because your all fucking ignorant and stupid ,the english treated you like shite over the year's.and remember king billy was a flaming faggot,what a fucking hero,stick to your own history .let me know how the english treated you in history?fuck the queen
The English? You have conveniently forgotten Ireland was part of Britain then and many slaves descendants have Irish names to prove it having taken their masters names. The founder of Sinn Fein Arthur Griffith supported the Boers against the British and Zulus. Who is all ignorant and stupid? British people or African people? I would say if anyone is ignorant and stupid its u thats ignorant of history and stupid t think the English treated us badly when it was Irish committing genocide against us
Yes good point we need to integrate. Don't support Sinn Fein/ IRA and their divisive, sectarian violence, division and propaganda. Don't just be a subject of Irish or British rule, think for yourself and others around you.
You seem very ignorant to whats going on. Loyalty is not about colour. Loyalty is in our blood & heart not the colour of our skin. I know a great many black loyalists some of whom are close friends.
There are young lads of all colours and religions dieing for Britain every day.
What the fuck are you talking about?! Northern Ireland and Glentoran play in green, one of the Shankill Flutebands wear green and the Ulster 36th Division have green harps and shamrocks on their badge!
The usual level of debate from the nationalists I'm afraid! Next he'll find a spelling mistake and conclude the British people should be killed and Ireland 'reunited'.
i agree about it being a waste of time tonight another young man shot in the legs in west belfast and again not much on the news the provys are back and the gov will let them attack cause they dont have the balls to fight the british gov im talking about sell out that is all the labour gov know
There's a difference between those who will vote for a United Ireland via the SDLP for example, or those who will vote for a bunch of murderers who have terrorised their own community namely Sinn Fein. No other country would give power sharing to such a group, and it has proven to be a complete waste of time given the recent rira/ cira attacks! There were many many attempts by the British Government to initiate peace talks it was Sinn Fein/ IRA who wouldn't engage in discussion.
Northern Ireland belongs to the people of Northern Ireland, not the Republic of Ireland. In fact the only time Ireland was United was under British rule. Irish were no more oppressed than the British at that time, and after partition Protestants in the south were discriminated against worse than Catholics in the north, or on the mainland. The only rape going on was committed by the Catholic Church who effectively ruled Southern Ireland.
What many people forget is that Ireland has never had a central government, and the south has always been trying to impose its will on the north. This situation with the IRA is only the most recent example.
the unionists who wer in control at the time refused to speak with sinn fein so somethin had 2 be done 2 have their voices heard. i refer to ulster being their land bcos it belongs to them and they will decide whether it rejoins ireland or stays in the uk, being proud of the men of 1916-
im saying that if they didnt rise up and proclaim an irish republic then the WHOLE of ireland could still be under british rule. i would say people who murdered raped and oppressed me are not friends but foes.
actually no the figure of people in ulster who want a united ireland is around 50/50. sinn fein has not yet called a referendum on this and have recently made a statement that they will put it off for another while yet. and no its not about the number of people killed by the IRA regardless of religion, if the IRA did not begin a campaign from 1969-1998 then we would not have a power sharing system today.
thats the thing, a unified ireland through all peaceful methods seem to be exhausted. im sure no irishmen want to have to take up arms against the british army to take their land back but if justice cant be achieved through peace then action must be taken. also i dont agree with what u said about not being proud of the IRA. If the IRA was not formed then the republic of ireland might not exist today, but they did and for this, irishmen MUST be proud of the brave men of 1916.
The majority of people in Northern Ireland do not want to unite with Ireland, maybe if the IRA hadn't killed so many innocent people (catholic and protestant) people would feel differently. Why do you refer to NI as 'their land'? Surely the land belongs to the people of the region, who vote to remain as part of the UK.
What is there to be proud of in 1916 exactly? An illiterate communist and a bunch of thugs try to rob a post office whilst their friends and neighbours are dying in the trenches?
although i am all for peace and in no way condone ANY killings of anybody, i dont believe these groups (RIRA & CIRA) want war, they want a unified ireland and will do anything to acheieve the goal and if that means killing soldiers who are not irish upon irish land then so be it.
They don't want a United Ireland, they want division and violence. SDLP and Sinn Fein spoke out against them, hopefully they speak for the majority of Nationalists who don't want more blood shed.
Exactly Raffles. To quote hard facts, aside from the greater catholic population, taking only those who voted SDLP or SF or dissident, I calculated today, that the dissident vote accounts for only 2% based on the Upper Bann stats given out in the media by SF.
And probably most of the 300 people who did vote for them are 18, 19 year olds who never experienced the troubles, and learned their stuff from youtube.
Hello Raffles. In 1920 the leader of the IRA (Collins) and leader of Sinn Feinn (Griffith) signed an agreement for Irish Independence BUT: (keeping Ulster in the UK). Dissident groups later said they did not agree with Soverign State of Ulster. Today we now have dissident groups who are not in agreement with the peace process regarding Northern Ireland. I have to question - has history repeated itself? Is this an IRA ploy to further their politcal genocide in Ulster?
The last couple of days have been bitterly disappointing with the latest 2 murders by CIRA - and whoever did the other one, heard it was RIRA.
These people want war. War creates division. War destroys unity, and everything that the Irish people voted for 10 years ago. The people have already spoken.
It's horrific, actually, and feels like a weight suddenly added to light shoulders.
Respect to Sinn Fein for speaking out against the atrocities. They were right it was an attack upon the peace process. What they want is more conflict, more backlash but hopefully the people of Northern Ireland will stand firm and not be dragged back into the horrors of Sectarian hatred.
Raffles: I'm very busy these days, but I have to say that I'm greatly surprised by your information, i've learned a lot from you about loyalism.
I'm amazed actually, how not-different you are for someone born into a strongly loyalist culture. I always had the impression that the differences between "hardliners" might be too great to be overcome between the traditions.
I expected that the idea of being irish-loyalist would reject all irishness, but it seems I was mistaken.
We are not so different, the evidence is there when you see Loyalists with names like O'Donnell, Murphy etc etc and conversely Gerry Adams who may have been of English descent. The differences are perceived, not inherant. Humans have a tendency to divide themselves along the lines of race, religion, nationality, language, gender, age etc etc.
"...find that more from Republicans who blindly support the IRA despite the atrocities and terror they have committed on 'their own' communities."
Whether it's right or wrong, it's what I always thought it meant, and I think a lot of people here think it means "active-terrorist-from-the-other-side" - I think because some loyalist groups delayed ceasefire.
So, even the mention of the word will attract retributive comment, but I accept your correction, and will re-educate myself. Thanks
51wins: yet another mention of Loyalist, but I still feel I haven't gotten a definition of what it means.
Republican means.. various things, so maybe loyalist is your version of the same thing. I admit, I'm quite surprised by that though. I always had the idea that unionists came from a different perspective.
To be honest though, nobody knows if there IS a true faith. It certainly sounds good in a sentence though, particularly if it happens to co-incide with your own religion!
You said Loyalist meant someone who was willing to kill, I tend to find that more from Republicans who blindly support the IRA despite the atrocities and terror they have committed on 'their own' communities. A Loyalist is someone who is loyal to the British, in Northern Ireland its has more to do with loyalty to their friends and family than the British state per se.
Surely the definition of the word Faith is you fully believe in and commit yourself to one Religion? I'm a Humanist personally..
Uh.. I'm a catholic by family, but by religion I tend to drift to catholicism, but am not very active. I've learned a lot about the local Anglicans, Mormons, Jehovahs, and I've studied gnosticism
I also have a strong philosophy that's not connected to religion.
Aside from all of that, I'm a scientist. I don't see any contradiction since science is a totally different thing.
I'd describe myself as a vehement anti-racist, social-minded capitalist.
To be honest, there are a number of obstacles to unification.
1. The militarisation of the catholic culture in the north is easily droppable. The militarisation of protestant culture is enmeshed in the OO and the religion itself, so that's a difficulty.
2. Terrorism: It's likely that northern ireland would have to be integrated as a devolved self-governing structure, to prevent a backlash.
3. Various Concessions given
If point 1 could be overcome, everything else would follow
1. The problem is the main party advocating a United Ireland is Sinn Fein, I think you're smart enough to realise the effect of them getting control of the region! The militarisation on Protestants is based on defense of their people, and always has been right from the time the OO were formed to defend against the Whiteboys, so that shouldn;t be a problem unless they are attacked. In the upheaval though who knows what would happen? We both know there are good and bad on either side.
And the trouble is its usually the bad that take control in such situations, or those capable of bad things. Again we both know that both sides are still armed and dangerous!
2. I don't think the Loyalists would resort to terrorism, most of them still remember the effects of it from the Troubles.
3. Any perceived threat to the Unionist culture would cause problems, which only escalate.
And 4. Ireland is a poorer nation than Britain, with much less in the way of policing or military capabilities
"4. Ireland is a poorer nation than Britain, with much less in the way of policing or military capabilities"
Don't worry about that. I know this country, and they would pull all the stops out, from extreme community policing to the point of dismantling ghettos by providing better class housing - just like they did in Ballymun.
They would be well able to handle it, believe me, because peaceful transition is of far greater urgency and importance to Ireland than to England.
Again its debatable. But its also a huge gamble that could go disastrously wrong. When India was partitioned there were disastrous unforseen consequences, and that was with both sides in almost complete agreement about the split!
By the way, i'm not sure that 'extreme community policing' is the answer to Northern Ireland's problems and for once Sinn Fein might agree with me! :D
That type of policing has worked with great success in Limerick to defuse long running gang fueds - by adding 100 extra police in the affected area
The southern police are a lot different now. Non-detectives are unarmed, and they changed their hiring policy, to allow smaller people to patrol, as well as hiring foreign nationals.
It won't be like the RUC with machineguns, it's far more likely to be small blondy haired girls or guys with university degrees.
@mrssukie142 who cares what religion someone is? Oh wait, Irish nationalist sectarian scumbags do
RafflesGT 6 months ago
lol comment pending approval, fucking typical of a loyalist,
loved how you deleted last comment, so hears the 2nd time you have been provin wrong,
papadoc711 6 months ago 3
@papadoc711 I never deleted any comment and unlike yourself I don't spend every minute of the day on the internet talking shit about politics, i have this thing called a job and a life.
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT
lol i have that thing too, 6 days a week they called it a job and i train 4 of those days, lol its not easy BIG lad, don't judge anyone you don't know, lol i think that loyalist side does shine of on you
and by the way....weres the other comment, lol i posted two??
lol another wee fact for ya -Black loyalist- the orange order have stronge ties with the KKK and combat 18, you do know who they are, don't ya, LOL
papadoc711 6 months ago
@papadoc711 i approved all your comments, you make me laugh with your shit. the OO have NEVER EVER had ties with the kkk or c18, this comment exposes you for the blatant liar you are. Go to the 12th in Belfast you will see people of all races together, some in the bands or oo as well. And eys I know very well who they are, ethnic nationalist terrorist groups, although c18 don't even exist anymore (if they ever did) unlike the IRA who bomb people even still.
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@papadoc711 Some facts for you son: in the 1800's there was a black guy in the shankill leading a loyalist mob, in the 70's/ 80's there were black members in the UDA (one was sent to make arms deals with c18, but these are not links as such just negotiations, the black guy was sent to make a point they didn't care about racist crap) the UDA was run by two half Egyptian brothers, there was a Hong Kong Chinese guy in jail for the UVF, there are black and asian members of the oo and loyalist bands
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@papadoc711 there are branches of the oo in Ghana, Togo and Nigeria, an entirely black lodge in Manchester, a Miohawk native American lodge in Canada. The original protestant team in Glasgow Queens Park had the World's first black player, hearts also had a black player in the 1800's, rangers later signed Walter Tull who died fighting for Britain at the Somme. Celtic later signed Giles Heron, who supported Rangers!
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@papadoc711 Rangers later signed Mark walters, and when he made his debut at parkhead the cletic support threw so many bananas at him they had to stop the game to clear the ground! They even let in their supporters dressed in full gorrilla outfits ffs. Only one rangers fan made a racist remark, he was reported by his fellow fans and banned for life from Ibrox. Not a single celtic fan was banned by the club.
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@papadoc711 Now compare that to the IRA and other nationalist organisations who have never had a single non white member, and Ireland also has the lowest number of non white citizens in the World. Britian has always been multicultural, we have had asian and jewish politicans and prime ministers for well over a century. So please just stop with your crap already! Loyalists are not racist, no matter how many comments you make on here
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@papadoc711 Oh, and btwm the IRA fought for the ACTUAL NAZIS! Just gtfo
RafflesGT 6 months ago
Considering how the British treated non whites in the past this is rather ridiculous!its like a Jew becoming a nazi!
toughnumber 7 months ago
@toughnumber considering how the irish treated jews in the past (limerick pogrom, de valera, ww2, ireland versus israel football) you've got a cheek talking about the brits. Also look up draft riots
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT I've heard of the draft riots, some bad stuff for sure.If you like American immigrant history theres a book called "Becoming American under fire". I'm Irish but I'm not some sheep who blindly supports every decision his country makes, If you want to support a supremacist sectarian organization go ahead, enjoy all the lovely bigots you'll meet , sure you might even get to bash a few Fenians or immigrants along the way! Meanwhile the rest of us Brits n Irish can get along just grand.
toughnumber 6 months ago
@toughnumber which 'supremacist' organisation would that be? The supremacists/ sectarians/ bigots are the nationalists, with their motto of brits out ' ireland for the irish' etc. I have no problem with Irish whatseover but fuck republicans and fuck nationalists.
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT That would be the organization that loves to go to areas that they are not wanted to prove how supreme they are and the right wing fascist paramilitaries.Anyone who uses such mottos are not Irish,they're bigots and an embarrassment. I wish to have a country at peace with equal rights for every citizen regardless of color or creed.I choose to reject all bigots but you choose to reject Republican bigots by supporting Loyalist bigots.ALL paramilitaries here are noting but scumbags.
toughnumber 6 months ago
@toughnumber Yes I agree fuck the right wing paramilitaries like IRA that go into areas like the Fountain and cluan place. There already is a country at peace, and with equal rights for every citizen of every colour and creed, its called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I don't really buy into your equal rights spiel, its obvious from your comments you are heavily biased in favour of republicans
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT Considering they were a leftwing paramilitary thats an odd thing to say! Take it how you like but being an ultra nationalist like yourself any voice of reason could be considered biased. Half my family are born in England, I go there a lot and most of the people I meet are good honest people many of whom are proud to be British and thats a good thing. The only British people I see with such right-wing ultra-nationalist views are white racists and NI loyalists!
toughnumber 6 months ago
@toughnumber If you mean stalinist then yeah i'll give you that.. But I am no ultranationalist! Britain is not only a union of four nationalities (English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh) but they have extensive links through the commonwealth and British includes people of a myriad of faiths, unlike the theocratic 'free' state. My mother is English and I grew up in Scotland and went to a Catholic school, where I got a lot of anti-English racist abuse even from a teacher who was a nun!
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@toughnumber the nationalist parties is the UK are Sinn Fein, RSF, NF, BNP, SNP, Plaid Cymru, but only Sinn Fein and BNP actively engage with terrorist groups, IRA, C18 and Forza Nuova respectively. The BNP have recently been talking to ex-IRA man Gerry McGeough, and both parties have also tried to link to Gaddafis dictatorship in Libya. Incidentally the BNP have had Jewish, Turkish cypriot, and Sikh members, SF your antiracist paramilitary have had none. Strange huh?
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@toughnumber Out of interest what is your definition of Irish exactly? What makes someone fit to be a member of the eireann race?
Btw since you're so adamantly against republican bigots perhaps you could comment on the cranberries zombie video, a song written against violence in northern ireland after an IRA bomb killed two children, but some republicans there seem to be under the impression it is a video glorifying the IRA, perhaps you can put them straight!
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT Someone who was born in Ireland I guess. same way someone born in England is English or in France is French etc fit to be a member haha I dont know there is good and bad people here like any country. The IRA were murdering scum, the UDA/UVF were murdering scum.They dragged this country through the mud the whole lot of them whilst the silent majority had to live in fear. Two wrongs don't make a right, and how is it glorifying the IRA when it is obvious it is an anti-violence song?
toughnumber 6 months ago
@toughnumber It isn't, thats my point, that republicans are making out its a pro-IRA propaganda song when it is anything but!! And btw the UDA and UVF were created to defend British citizens from IRA attacks.I'm not saying they were angelic but to compare them to a group who purposely set bombs off to kill innocent civilians for political ends is laughable.
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT Camon Anyone who says its pro-IRA is obviously either completely stupid or tone deaf.So murdering innocent people for no other reason than their religion is defending British citizens from attack is it?Is it laughable to leave someone a vegetable for the rest of their lives after they've been beaten to a pulp because of their religion?or maybe 83% civilian deaths are worth 4% republican deaths eh.Look you cant defend the indefensible, the IRA are scumbags and the UDA/UVF are scumbags
toughnumber 6 months ago
@toughnumber The British citizens were in a state of terror, with bombs going off left right and centre aimed at british civilians, people who had no political engagement whatsoever. The loyalist paramilitaries started by trying to gather information on IRA suspects and assasinate them, no easy task considering even the British police, with all their current technology, resources, time and manpower struggled to keep up with the mayhem. Not to mention these people were well protected in.. TBC
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@toughnumber ..in their communties. So as the troubles got worse and worse, they did regrettably begin to target catholic civilians in the hopes it would stop the bloodshed, in retrospect thats possibly the worst thing they could have done but its easy to judge in hindsight, if you put yourself in their shoes they had lost family members and friends, and were very much under threat themselves. At the height of the troubles they even bombed Dublin, which was widely condemned by loyalists and..TBC
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT Oh yeah I remember, yabadaba do any fenian will do.. Hiding and supporting terrorists?oh Im sorry we murdered your son, we know he was innocent but sure he lived in a catholic area so he must support the IRA.You are trying to defend murderers of innocent people, people who had nothing to do with the ira.Those workmen who were killed by the IRA because they were protestant, I suppose they were living in protestant areas so they must be hiding and supporting loyalist terrorists then.BS!
toughnumber 6 months ago
@toughnumber Remember that the IRA were indiscriminately murdering British citizens, and the loyalists were responding to those attacks. So yes as I said the loyalists were wrong to target innocent civilians, but they did so out of self-defence. The Catholic areas knew well who were responisble for the atrocities, but did nothing to prevent them or prosecute them. Its understandable given the violent vengeful draconian nature of the IRA, but the fact remains a lot of people were complicit.
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@toughnumber I am not defending every member of the paramiltary organisations, I'm simply saying there is a big difference between a group that set off bombs in shopping centres and memorials etc to targetting people from nationalist areas who were in loyalist areas at a time of conflict.
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@toughnumber ..later apoligised for, for what its worth. Just to be clear the subjects weren't targetted for their religion per se, it was because they were believed to be part of a community that were felt to be hiding and supporting terrorists, although as you say people on both sides condemened the atrocities of their 'own people'. And as with the IRA some nasty people used the situation to their own ends.
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@toughnumber I still haven't seen you comment on that video, is it possible that you only attack those who support the UDA and UVF, despite your claims you are equally opposed to the IRA?
RafflesGT 6 months ago
And how can you compare left of center Irish Nationalism with hardline right wing British Nationalists..They are completely opposite, and last I heard loyalists are friends with c18 and neo-nazi groups in England
toughnumber 6 months ago
@toughnumber and where did you hear that? Let me guess, a left wing republican website? First of all I'm not convinced C18 even exist anymore, they are either skinhead BNP fantasists or boogeymen dreamed up by communist groups. There have been a few people caught in possession of bombs and guns etc, but I've never heard of any actual attacks in recent years. There's even speculation the enitre thing was a sting operation to flush out militant fascists. Certainly they don't compare to RIRA, CIRA
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT Its common knowledge loyalists have links to rightwing neo nazi groups
toughnumber 6 months ago
@toughnumber common 'knowledge' if you spend your time on leftwing republican propaganda sites sure, but if you bothered to actually ask loyalists then you'd find that is nothing more than a slanderous lie, or an exaggerated myth.
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@toughnumber the RIRA incidentally who are linked to US neo Nazi groups, possibly the Aryan Brotherhood. The BNP (who C18 are a spinoff of) were linked recently to Gerry McGeough, an ex-IRA member. As for being left of center, whatever they are they use violence and terror to acheive their political goals, that doesn't seem liberal or socialist to me but hey each to their own.
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT So some american nutjobs decide to release a leaflet with rira on it and suddenly theres links! Is that the same Gerry McGeough who became disgusted with what he perceives as the socially "liberal" views of "nouveau Sinn Fein. And oh yeah throwing a petrol bomb in someones house and burning thier children alive is a sort of good way to bomb innocent people then. If there's one loyalist I actually admire though I have to say David Ervine was a great man, I wish he was still around.
toughnumber 6 months ago
@toughnumber like how some bnp members allegedly handed out leaflets at ibrox (there's no evidence for such a thing btw) now it is supposedly a far right conspiracy implicating rangers football club and all its fans? Gerry McGeough is basically a dissident, a hardline republican who rejects power-sharing and peace. Like the RIRA he thinks blowing kids apart is the way to eradicate sectarianism, it would be funny if it wasn't so tragic!
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@toughnumber you talk about civil rights but what civil rights did the protestants burned from their homes in the 'free state' have exactly? Do you honestly envisage a United Ireland, protestants and cathoics living together peacefully on the back of a succesful IRA bombing campaign? The riots in Dublin that prevented the orange order from marching goes to show just how tolerant the republicans are does it? Bomb us some more, then we'll definately want a United Ireland and there will be peace!
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT A united Ireland can only be achieved with the support of the protestant people in the North and through the ballot box, not the bullet. Peace.
toughnumber 6 months ago
@toughnumber well we can agree there. But it will take a long long time for people to forget the hurt and learn to trust each other again.
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@toughnumber one thing I agree though is about David Ervine, a great man and an example to us all. He is a major loss to the PUP and the working class of NI, both protestant and catholic, loyalist and nationalist.
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT Hear, hear
toughnumber 6 months ago
Brilliant much respect, Loyal and true!
rangersforme1 8 months ago
People read so much into this video about Canadian history!!!! Thank you for this song and video. I personally would like to know the names of the "sport stars" and to know if they are Canadians. I am assuming they are. We are so clueless here.
2Bpatient 11 months ago
they have slave mentality
mattjoeryan 1 year ago
@mattjoeryan You have slave mentality, you are a slave to sectarianism, republcian propaganda and your religious leaders. Smash nationalism
RafflesGT 10 months ago
this is a joke all loyalist groups eg uda uvf uff are all racists fact silly black oranage men
manie786 1 year ago
@manie786 Which ones? Tell me their names, cuz I don't know any.
RafflesGT 10 months ago
@RafflesGT I am from Scotland and was brought up a catholic, although I would not describe myself as a catholic now. However, I find it very strange that a black man would associate himself with a culture that has strong racist tendencies, at least in central Scotland it has.
thetaxmanknows 8 months ago
@thetaxmanknows that is such a load of crap! Celtic support the IRA, an ethnic nationalist group who fought for the nazis and want to ethnically cleanse nrothern Irleand of British people and unite with the republic of ireland, one of the whitest countries in the world. Celtic are the racists, and catholics are pedophiles. Go fuck yourself
RafflesGT 8 months ago
@RafflesGT the ra helped the nazis because they were the huns enemy an enemy of an enemy is a friend you prick you dont see the bnp outside parkhead but you see them outside ibrox so get your facts right prick
manie786 7 months ago
@manie786 Nah you don't, that is a lie used to slander rangers by celtic fans, when rangers signed Mark Walters then Basile Boli the NF used to go to Parkhead with 'Pakis out of Britain, Brits out of Ireland' banners and elicit support. Intersting however that you think the enemy of my enemy bullshit justifies supporting the Nazis (who killed 6 Million Jews) but not the BNP (who actually have a Jewish member) btw fuck the BNP just saying the two hardly compare..
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT all of them,
lol nazie salutes,nazie flags, combat 18, lol google image it, loyalist nazies lol and you see many many pictures, plus the royal family have links to hitlers group also, the queens cousin was part of the nazie movemnet, there have also been an increase in loyalist rasical attacks in N.Ireland,
papadoc711 7 months ago
@papadoc711 yes there are a small minority, and many at celtic and republican groups too. You can't use a few stupid individuals to slander an entire group of people, thats tantamount to racism also, the same tactics the BNP would use. The Royal Family fought against Hitler, your precious Pope at the time supported them to the hilt, and guess what, your current Pope did too! As did De Valera and Sean Russell and Frank Ryan..
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@papadoc711 the 'rasical' attacks in NI (which btw are a sick thing to use for political point-scoring) have been condemned by the UDA and UVF. In NI there are many many non white loyalists, some who were members of the UDA and UVF, going back to the 1800's when a black guy evicted Catholics from the Shankill. On the 12th you see tens of black, asian and chinese at the celebrations of the Boyne, and some even in the bands and lodges.
RafflesGT 6 months ago
Great video. Sterotyping is SO easy to do and often SO wrong. What many forget today is that the founding purpose of the IRA was to create a united Ireland as a COMMUNIST state. So any talk from them of democracy is just a lie. Adams & McGuiness in govt? Not just a lie but an absolute piss take!
mitchking2006 1 year ago
@mitchking2006 Yeah, and the marxists have always openly expressed their desire to use the "victim status" of the black community to their advantage. It pleases me to see blacks who are not shills of the communist international, there are some who are on our side, as they should be. Of course the papist nazi's in Combat 18 and other groups would like to associate Ulster loyalism with themselves because they only wish they could be as brave.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth Well said brother, the real fight is the fight for Democracy against Totalitarianism in all its forms; communism, socialism, national socialism, fascism.
RafflesGT 11 months ago
12inchy
Just look at the history of Sinn Fein/ IRA and you will soon realise they have no regard for equality or human rights or democracy. That includes the rights of their 'own people' incidentally.
Taco
Yes some African Nations chose to be Independent of the United Kingdom, and went about it peacefully and nonviolently. Others were forcibly split when the UK joined world war 1 and could not afford to maintain the Empires schools, hospitals, roads etc, they remain members of the Commonwealth
RafflesGT 1 year ago
@RafflesGT
Hello Hello you illiterate, inbred progeny of twatness. Just for a change, why don't you and your subjugated ilk go for a drum led wander, headed by crimplonene swathed stupidity to the house where other similarly clad ingrates gather to celebrate their 'culchur'. A wee bit of adivce - next time round, go to school, learn to read and write and perhaps you'll be assimilated into semi-decent society (you've never seen it - don't try and comment on it).
nattybhoy 10 months ago
@nattybhoy hail! Which society is this in particular? The Ardoyne? The Falls road? Are these the epitome of society and education to which we must aspire? Tell me, at your segregated sectarian Catholic schools is it the nuns that teach you to wire bombs or the priests? Or are they just in charge of sex education?
Was that living up to expectation, me being such an inbred etc? Can we now elevate ourselves to a more sophisticated level of debate? If indeed debate is what you seek..
RafflesGT 10 months ago
@RafflesGT Yes... very effective to disguise true political intentions behind a façade of patriotic rhetoric. The Rebellious colonists did in 1775 and the IRA do the same.
Talbot6832 9 months ago
@RafflesGT
lol dickhead have you ever heard of the CRM, the irish civil rights movement, that was attacked everytime they marched on the streets by the unionist government,
lol and the irish no nothing of democracy, lol democracy yea the british know all about that when they have A QUEEN, who rules over them,
have you ever heard of the upv, who bombed and killed before there was a PIRA,
you know fuck all about my country,
papadoc711 6 months ago
@papadoc711 the CRM that was basically a front for IRA activism? yeah sure, but they weren't atatcked by the Government, they incited loyalist communities by attacking them, and then, as usual, played the martyrs.
You think the Queen rules over us? lol good one, she has no power at all, keep reading your illuminati grey aliens conspiracy theory bollocks. The catholic church in the 'free' state however DO hold a massive amount of power.
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@papadoc711 Have you ever heard of the fenian brotherhood, who bombed london and invaded Canada long before the UPV. That great democracy that is, bomb people to achieve political power..
RafflesGT 6 months ago
beal - who have the orange order murdered recently? I'd be interested to know. Also I have friends that deal crack cocaine, but I don't take it myself. How does that fit with your stereotyped simplified view of the World?
WorshipInTruth
Precisely, the Republicans fail to realise the great irony that they talk about opression and tyranny, yet they want a Communist organisation to oust a Democratic Government. A group that has incidentally ruled them with terror, violence, intimidation, and lies.
RafflesGT 1 year ago
Raffles G you are one seriously sick minded individual. You support the murdering orange filth & condone Britains occupation of Ireland with a mind full of cartoons. You must be a crack addict. Embarrassing to all of your black brothers
bealfeirste1974 1 year ago
u are a very misinformed and confused man. sine fein "building an ireland of equals".
12inchy12 1 year ago
Wow aren't the Africans are people who wanted to be free from the British.
TacoJFK3226 2 years ago
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. Colossians 3:11
Cgullins 2 years ago
Great Video. Just want to add my support and gratitude to our brethren from all corners of the world, I hate seeing Orange culture being tainted with the racist brush as the IRA have been trying to do with their propaganda and I hope those that are brainwashed into Racism can see their way out of that evil. No Surrender
c82allen 2 years ago 4
you're brethren from all around the world ? lol
would these brethren be the children of those africans , the english and jews scattered around the globe as Slaves !
there's nothing a sad as ignorance !
wake up ye slaves and know thine enemy !
onlygoodhunsadeadun1 2 years ago
@c82allen
there Racism is targeted at irish catholics, you can't marry a catholic, you can't employ a catholic, catholics cant join etc etc the same as the KKK,
by the way, just to add on, your 12th had nothing to do with religion, Why?? because he yoru dutch king was backed by the roman catholic pope and the spanish,
your "culture" is a fucking joke
papadoc711 6 months ago
@papadoc711 Its nothing to do with catholicism, its to do with republicanism. the KKK are an ultranationalist secret ethnic terrorist group, like the IRA, they bomb and kill people they don't think should be in 'their country'.. And your secodn point proves my point, there were Catholics fighting at the Boyne for the loyalists, so how can you say we're religious bigots when we still celebrate the 12th? And you need to learn some respect for other cultures especially if you want a UNITED Ireland!
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT
lol how funny because the ornage order claim every single year it has EVERYTHING to do with protestants and catholics, i live here in belfast ulster, i think i would know,
lol haha the kkk was founded by an ulster scot, an -Orange man- how dare you even claim the kkk in the same sentence as the IRA,
lol, you reallly need to understand who bombed and shot people first, they weren't in the IRA, lol in fact the IRA never existed at the time,
papadoc711 6 months ago
@papadoc711 The Orange Order are a Protestant fraternity, they simply reject Papal Authority or ultramontainism, not individual Catholics. The apprentice Boys allow Catholics to join, and indeed a few Catholics are members I believe.
WTF?! An Ulster Scot, and indeed an orangeman formed the KKK!? :D Omg what are you on? No wondering you're laughing so hard!! Irish Republicans formed the Aryan Brotherhood, maybe thats where you're getting confused?
The IRA have existed since the Easter Rising
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT part 2
lol i'm not going to give you a lesson here in irish history because i would be here all day, look up the upv, they planted the first bomb in N.ireland, they were IRISH, look up the uvf they shot dead innocent civilians years before the formation of the PIRA, look up the black n tans, who carried out massacres through out ireland, look up cromwell the english man who enslaved the irish and killed over 1/4 of the population,
papadoc711 6 months ago
@papadoc711 Look up the fenian brotherhood, they planted bombs in London in the 1800's, look up the Ulster and Portadown Massacres of 1641-2 (which killed half the planter population) and before Cromwell even landed in Ireland, before that Irish regularly bought english slaves. A protestant orphanage was burnt in the 'free state' in 1938, indeed 41,000 protestants were driven out of Ireland between 1921 and 1923.
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT part3
lol i stated that pope connection and that catholic fought for william to state a point, orange men claim that protestant fought for william when catholic fought for a fellow catholic king james which it false, as they fought on both side, like antoher litlle fact they stated that williams troops wore orange, lol yet again thats falsh they wore GREEN,
wake up, and don't go into a debate were you no nothing about, for example about the IRA,
papadoc711 6 months ago
@papadoc711 How many orangemen do you actually know? Because its pretty obvious I know more about the IRA than you do the orange order! Please show me where orangemen say that WIlliam's troops wore orange! xd
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT
so you know about the IRA, lol
do you know how the troubles started??
do you know the religion of some of ireland greatest patriots??
do you know about the IRB??
do you know anything about the irish civil rights movement???
the irish slaves, the british ports during the great hunger, the penial laws, the right to bare arms, the plantition?? lol any clue... your ignoring facts and glorifying the wrong done by britian, admit at least that....
papadoc711 6 months ago
@papadoc711 the IRA are a nationalist terrorist group
The troubles started because the IRA started their imperialist border campaigns
The IRB are a group of nationalists who tried to rob a post office while the ulster 36th division bravely gave their lives fighting in ww1
the Irish civil rights movement was a group who pretended Irish people were discriminated against and were coordinated by Irish Republican groups
Do you know anything about English slaves in Ireland, massacres of protestant
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT
lol haha how is that when there irish fighting in ireland you fucking twat, british soldiers in ireland is that not impearlism, the troubles started not long after the civil rights movement, ever heard of that, ya know the same thing that martin luther king did, that were we got the idea, then they were attacked by the ruc and uvf, shot at, missles thrown, beat off the streets, hoem attacked and burnt out, entire areas and estates,
papadoc711 5 months ago
@papadoc711 why do you have to start every sentence with 'lol' it makes you sound really fucking stupid, more so than the comments that follow it even. But anyway yeah Northern Ireland is part of the UK, therefore the UK army are based there, its not rocket science. Yeah the civil rights movement was Irish people pretending they were being opressed like black people in the US, a very offensive concept to anyone that suffered segregation. It was hijacked from the start by the IRA using it to riot
RafflesGT 5 months ago
@papadoc711 You've been reading too much republican propaganda shite lololololmaorofl ha ha ha ho ho ho hee hee hee hardy hurr hurr. But yeah anyway it was a three way battle, the republicans setting off bombs in shopping centres and war memorials etc, the loyalists targetting ira members and the security forces trying to restore peace and arrest the killers.
RafflesGT 5 months ago
@RafflesGT part 2
lol no they held up in a post office after a gun battle with the british, thats what you would do if you were smart, fine cover, my lord,.... pretended your fucking sick, there was no such thin as the PIRA during the civil rights movement, the uvf were killing civilian decades before the formation of the group,
i know about irish and black slaves in england, barbados, america etc lol so i want to hear about this, preach... your bullshit again
papadoc711 5 months ago
@papadoc711 The IRA have existed since the Easter Rising, and have been fairly active the whole time. The UVF never really targetted civilians they were the Peoples Army there to defend their communities from terrorist attacks.
lol slavery ho ho how funny.. But yeah English slaves were sold in Dublin long before the catholic countries even started the african slave trade.
RafflesGT 5 months ago
@papadoc711 civilians for over 300 years of ethnic cleansing, protestants and catholics alike murdered by the irish nationalists, bombs, shootings, and executions (including hundreds of 'your own people') fiighting for the catholic supremacy while they abuse your children and cover it up, and send pregnant girls to work camps like the magdalene ones. Pogroms against jews, antisemitism, pro Naziism and Fascism, civil war, support of Franco, Hitler, Stalin.. Do you admit your own wrongs?
RafflesGT 6 months ago
@RafflesGT
300 years, you posted 1 fact about the IRB that targeted a government building the same people in it who didn't give a fuck about irish children and what was actually going on in ireland at the time,
lol it had nothing to do with catholics and protestants thats what the british wanted people to believe so they would have every right to be there, who know the english ruled ireland when they were a catholic state, the irish still fought them.
papadoc711 5 months ago
@papadoc711 yes because to the irish its a war of ethnic nationalism, 'them and us' mentality. The Fenian Brotherhood, IRB and IRA all of them targetted civilians, protestant and catholic, men, women and children who had no part in your war.
RafflesGT 5 months ago
@RafflesGT part 2
lol Pogroms against jews, de valera a jew, not to mention the thosands that were taken into belfast and dublin during and after the war. pro nazie, lol your getting us confused with loyalist you twat, pro hitler, lol guess you you don't know the royal family was PRO NAIZI as well, as the queens cousin sat along side won of hitlers top boys wereing the nazie symbol, prasing the nazie slaute,
civil war, lol england has had three,
papadoc711 5 months ago
@papadoc711 'lol pogroms against jews' de valera was not jewish, in fact he was very antisemitic. He even offered his condolences on the death of Hitler, and during the war the British offered to end partition if Ireland fought against the nazis, but that was flatly refused. Jews were blocked form Ireland in ww2, many even sent back to certain death. The Vatican and the catholic church supported Mussilini, Franco and Hitler from the start, the royal family condoned goign to war against the nazis
RafflesGT 5 months ago
@RafflesGT part 3
and to in afirca its constand, franco, eion duffy and les than 700 when went there, lol and didn't fight a day, and were sent home, why beacuse they heard they would be fighting again the basques, and if you don't know the irish and them are very close, stalin, lol when and how can you prove that bullshit you just posted,
i want to also add, that there were millions of irish american and irish that fought again nazism, for the french, american, and british,
papadoc711 5 months ago
@papadoc711 hundreds of Irishmen volunteered to fight for Franco, but O'Duffy (ex IRA man) chose only 'the best' for his greenshirt brigade, and yeah they were basically crap soldiers, who had no idea how to fight in a real war. On the other side the Irish soldiers refused to join the much larger British Battalion because many of them had loyalist sympathies, and one of them was even recognised as a black and tan. Frank Ryan later moved to Berlin with Sean Russel as guests of the Nazis.
RafflesGT 5 months ago
@papadoc711 And I didn't mean any disrespect to the great many who fought against the Nazis. Many of them were even imprisoned on their return to ireland, and faced persecution for their 'treachery'.
RafflesGT 5 months ago
luke you really are a mixed up wee fud!
bigmoog66 2 years ago
All Nationalism is bollocks, no matter what kind, people killing and being killed for Governments who do not give two fucks about them and who'll shit on them when required. I'm talking about all countries and nationalities.
93LINIGHAN 2 years ago
I kind of agree, though its a sad state of afairs when comunitys have to arm themselves to defend or push forward there cause because there governments dont give a toss.
flute4hire 1 year ago
Also one other point, you have in one of your replies above "and they hold your communities under terror and intimidation, lies and criminality", yet you have Ihab Shoukri RIP?? I agree with you on paramilitaries doing the above but dont say it's a bad thing then praise someone who is responsible for the very thing you condemn.
93LINIGHAN 2 years ago
I'm not aware of the late Mr Shoukri terrorising anyone as the IRA did, the UDA and UVF were formed to defend their communities. In the former instance the UDA did deal in drugs which I disagree withe but then they didn't have Noraid throwing thousands of dollars at them. One point about Ulster Loyalism it is not Nationalism, they want Union with Great Britain (itself a Union) and by extension the Commonwealth.
RafflesGT 2 years ago
Now come on mate, you well know alot of loyalists in NI dont like non whites. Even loyalist ones.
Gobbledychink 2 years ago
Live like a slave,your going to die like one.
poguemothon 2 years ago
i bet bishop tutu and nelson mandela would call you an ignorant traitor to the black race.the scum you bow to ,are the one's who but chain 's on your people ,and you stupid cunt are telling me about oppression ,what planet are you living on ?is'nt two million irish people dying of starvation ,as the english stole our food and live stock enough prove for you ,remember the longest "occupation "in the world is here in ireland,keep bowing to your master's traitor,slavery is a myth by england lol
imatim1888 2 years ago
Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela have differing ideas, but the one thing they have in common is they want to bring peace, not live in the past and continue hatred and violence as Sinn Fein/ IRA do. They thrive on conflict and division. Its time to leave the past behind, not forget but forgive and move on with all our lives. Again I'll remind you the Irish were as much part of slavery as the British, denying that is similar to you Nationalists denial of the Holocaust.
RafflesGT 2 years ago
The potato famine was a natural disaster, it affected Protestants and Catholics alike. The "occupation" was popular at the time, we brought education and civil liberties to Ireland. You keep serving your masters in SF, just remember they have killed more of 'your people' than we have, and they hold your communities under terror and intimidation, lies and criminality. PS since all British people are to blame for slavery all Irish people are to blame for terrorism and child abuse.
RafflesGT 2 years ago
ireland was never part of britain as far as the irish people where concerned,you stupid cunt's bow to your capture's ,us irish did'nt ,do they still call you sambo?was'nt that the name they called you back in the day ,stay subservant boy .
imatim1888 2 years ago
Ulster was never part of Ireland either. Its very offensive to any black person to suggest they bowed to their captors, they fought heroically for their freedom rather than just bombing and killing civilians to take control. Its also ridiculous to compare Irish to blacks at any time, what would the Irish know of hardship or oppression? Maybe when they were hanging little girls in the Draft Riots?
RafflesGT 2 years ago
Englands wealth was based on slavery ,Bristol ,Liverpool, london.Not one slave ship left Irish ports. Raffles! Singapore? 115.000 Allied troops.The biggest mass surrender in british military history,led by the shifty bastard coward PERCIVAL,who when in Ireland with the notorious essex regiment and the black and tans Scum torched Cork city and innocent civilians.Check out "The World at War"Singapore/The fall of,Cowardly bastard,watch his shifty eyes.Piss running down his leg.Priceless.
poguemothon 2 years ago
Englands wealth was irelands wealth at that time. A lot of black people in America have Irish names, taken from their slave owner forefathers. Ireland has as much blame as England, France or Spain etc at the time. I can't say I'm familiar with this historical character and I don't really care to be honest. Watch the Omagh bomb and Catholic and Protestant children alike torn limb from limb and their families with them. Wonderful!
RafflesGT 2 years ago
Ulster was never part of Ireland??? Explain please.
93LINIGHAN 2 years ago
The only time in history Ireland has ever been united was under British Rule. Until then Ireland was made up of small regions ruled by local warlords. The Ulster Scots have never been ruled from Dublin.
RafflesGT 2 years ago
So Ireland only existed as a result of Btritsh conquest?
93LINIGHAN 2 years ago
precisely, without the British Empire Ireland would have no schools, no hospitals, education, law and order, civilisation, culture (except gaylick harping on music). In fact the Republic of Iraland would probably be nothing more than a series of pig farms run by inbred drunken redneck yokels. Can you imagine? :D
RafflesGT 2 years ago
Thats the 'Earls' from the flight of the Earls. Irish history paints the 'Earls' in a romantic light when they were more of less tyrants like the lords & knights' from medevil England.
flute4hire 1 year ago
PERCIVAL: World At War.The biggest mass surrender in brit military history.Hard man in county Cork with the black and tans and the essex reg against unarmed(as usual) Irish.Watch the Docu,World at war and watch the cringing bastards face.10.000 Australians had just landed 2 days before and were marched off into captivity without firing a shot,.The japanese called them cowardly animals,and would treat them as such.Watch his face when the Japanese General slams the table.Priceless
poguemothon 2 years ago
I haven't a clue what you're on about, sorry. Again though it looks as though you're living in the past. Lets talk about the Inquisition, or the New York Draft riots, the massacre of Protestants in 1641, the Omagh bomb.
RafflesGT 2 years ago
RafflesGT, you know your history. I like you.
It seems like the papists fenians are completely unable to see the full scope of the history.
The jesuits wish to put us all under authoritarian socialism.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
its funny black's being loyal to england ,how loyal where the slave's the english brought to america ?you would have fought against the zulu's i bet ,because your all fucking ignorant and stupid ,the english treated you like shite over the year's.and remember king billy was a flaming faggot,what a fucking hero,stick to your own history .let me know how the english treated you in history?fuck the queen
imatim1888 2 years ago
The English? You have conveniently forgotten Ireland was part of Britain then and many slaves descendants have Irish names to prove it having taken their masters names. The founder of Sinn Fein Arthur Griffith supported the Boers against the British and Zulus. Who is all ignorant and stupid? British people or African people? I would say if anyone is ignorant and stupid its u thats ignorant of history and stupid t think the English treated us badly when it was Irish committing genocide against us
RafflesGT 2 years ago
And Lous XIV, bonnie poof charlie and James the 2nd were the faggots.
RafflesGT 2 years ago
Integration.Not Subjugation
poguemothon 2 years ago
Yes good point we need to integrate. Don't support Sinn Fein/ IRA and their divisive, sectarian violence, division and propaganda. Don't just be a subject of Irish or British rule, think for yourself and others around you.
RafflesGT 2 years ago
You seem very ignorant to whats going on. Loyalty is not about colour. Loyalty is in our blood & heart not the colour of our skin. I know a great many black loyalists some of whom are close friends.
There are young lads of all colours and religions dieing for Britain every day.
flute4hire 2 years ago
real english men
irishredandgreen 2 years ago
???
RafflesGT 2 years ago
dont you have anything better to do then spread communist propaganda?
albertaforalbertans 2 years ago
No I think they must get paid to talk shit on the internet all day! :D
RafflesGT 2 years ago
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!!
LordWellington15 2 years ago
If they were real black loyalists they wouldn't have green in their flags.
Therebelshane 2 years ago
What the fuck are you talking about?! Northern Ireland and Glentoran play in green, one of the Shankill Flutebands wear green and the Ulster 36th Division have green harps and shamrocks on their badge!
RafflesGT 2 years ago
it's a color, you the one making it political.
albertaforalbertans 2 years ago
The usual level of debate from the nationalists I'm afraid! Next he'll find a spelling mistake and conclude the British people should be killed and Ireland 'reunited'.
RafflesGT 2 years ago
actually green is the highest colour within the order you retard
scouseproddyboy 2 years ago
WHY NOT.??? stupid cunt
TOBERMORE1 2 years ago
@Therebelshane what has that got to do with anything?
UCPBandrew 1 year ago
lmfao no way!!!!!!!
kingofireland32 2 years ago
No way what?
RafflesGT 2 years ago
i agree about it being a waste of time tonight another young man shot in the legs in west belfast and again not much on the news the provys are back and the gov will let them attack cause they dont have the balls to fight the british gov im talking about sell out that is all the labour gov know
smokey2060 2 years ago
There's a difference between those who will vote for a United Ireland via the SDLP for example, or those who will vote for a bunch of murderers who have terrorised their own community namely Sinn Fein. No other country would give power sharing to such a group, and it has proven to be a complete waste of time given the recent rira/ cira attacks! There were many many attempts by the British Government to initiate peace talks it was Sinn Fein/ IRA who wouldn't engage in discussion.
RafflesGT 2 years ago
Northern Ireland belongs to the people of Northern Ireland, not the Republic of Ireland. In fact the only time Ireland was United was under British rule. Irish were no more oppressed than the British at that time, and after partition Protestants in the south were discriminated against worse than Catholics in the north, or on the mainland. The only rape going on was committed by the Catholic Church who effectively ruled Southern Ireland.
RafflesGT 2 years ago
Good point.
What many people forget is that Ireland has never had a central government, and the south has always been trying to impose its will on the north. This situation with the IRA is only the most recent example.
ProfessorxVile 2 years ago
the unionists who wer in control at the time refused to speak with sinn fein so somethin had 2 be done 2 have their voices heard. i refer to ulster being their land bcos it belongs to them and they will decide whether it rejoins ireland or stays in the uk, being proud of the men of 1916-
im saying that if they didnt rise up and proclaim an irish republic then the WHOLE of ireland could still be under british rule. i would say people who murdered raped and oppressed me are not friends but foes.
mcgowan1yabass 2 years ago
actually no the figure of people in ulster who want a united ireland is around 50/50. sinn fein has not yet called a referendum on this and have recently made a statement that they will put it off for another while yet. and no its not about the number of people killed by the IRA regardless of religion, if the IRA did not begin a campaign from 1969-1998 then we would not have a power sharing system today.
mcgowan1yabass 2 years ago
thats the thing, a unified ireland through all peaceful methods seem to be exhausted. im sure no irishmen want to have to take up arms against the british army to take their land back but if justice cant be achieved through peace then action must be taken. also i dont agree with what u said about not being proud of the IRA. If the IRA was not formed then the republic of ireland might not exist today, but they did and for this, irishmen MUST be proud of the brave men of 1916.
mcgowan1yabass 2 years ago
The majority of people in Northern Ireland do not want to unite with Ireland, maybe if the IRA hadn't killed so many innocent people (catholic and protestant) people would feel differently. Why do you refer to NI as 'their land'? Surely the land belongs to the people of the region, who vote to remain as part of the UK.
What is there to be proud of in 1916 exactly? An illiterate communist and a bunch of thugs try to rob a post office whilst their friends and neighbours are dying in the trenches?
RafflesGT 2 years ago
although i am all for peace and in no way condone ANY killings of anybody, i dont believe these groups (RIRA & CIRA) want war, they want a unified ireland and will do anything to acheieve the goal and if that means killing soldiers who are not irish upon irish land then so be it.
mcgowan1yabass 2 years ago
If they want to acheive a United Ireland through killing people they will have to kill a huge number of people!
RafflesGT 2 years ago
Martin McGuinness just called the dissidents traitors, repeatedly on national radio. "traitors to ireland, and the irish cause"
emmetor 2 years ago
They don't want a United Ireland, they want division and violence. SDLP and Sinn Fein spoke out against them, hopefully they speak for the majority of Nationalists who don't want more blood shed.
RafflesGT 2 years ago
Exactly Raffles. To quote hard facts, aside from the greater catholic population, taking only those who voted SDLP or SF or dissident, I calculated today, that the dissident vote accounts for only 2% based on the Upper Bann stats given out in the media by SF.
And probably most of the 300 people who did vote for them are 18, 19 year olds who never experienced the troubles, and learned their stuff from youtube.
emmetor 2 years ago
Hello Raffles. In 1920 the leader of the IRA (Collins) and leader of Sinn Feinn (Griffith) signed an agreement for Irish Independence BUT: (keeping Ulster in the UK). Dissident groups later said they did not agree with Soverign State of Ulster. Today we now have dissident groups who are not in agreement with the peace process regarding Northern Ireland. I have to question - has history repeated itself? Is this an IRA ploy to further their politcal genocide in Ulster?
2up2u 2 years ago
The last couple of days have been bitterly disappointing with the latest 2 murders by CIRA - and whoever did the other one, heard it was RIRA.
These people want war. War creates division. War destroys unity, and everything that the Irish people voted for 10 years ago. The people have already spoken.
It's horrific, actually, and feels like a weight suddenly added to light shoulders.
emmetor 2 years ago
Respect to Sinn Fein for speaking out against the atrocities. They were right it was an attack upon the peace process. What they want is more conflict, more backlash but hopefully the people of Northern Ireland will stand firm and not be dragged back into the horrors of Sectarian hatred.
RafflesGT 2 years ago
Raffles: I'm very busy these days, but I have to say that I'm greatly surprised by your information, i've learned a lot from you about loyalism.
I'm amazed actually, how not-different you are for someone born into a strongly loyalist culture. I always had the impression that the differences between "hardliners" might be too great to be overcome between the traditions.
I expected that the idea of being irish-loyalist would reject all irishness, but it seems I was mistaken.
Amazing.
emmetor 2 years ago
Likewise, and likewise!
We are not so different, the evidence is there when you see Loyalists with names like O'Donnell, Murphy etc etc and conversely Gerry Adams who may have been of English descent. The differences are perceived, not inherant. Humans have a tendency to divide themselves along the lines of race, religion, nationality, language, gender, age etc etc.
RafflesGT 2 years ago
"Humans have a tendency to divide themselves along the lines of race, religion, nationality, language, gender, age"
Well.. yeah... or you could also describe it as uniting themselves against those lines, which is exactly the same thing but sounds much better.
Hahahaha. Oops... I think we may have stumbled onto something there.
emmetor 2 years ago
"...find that more from Republicans who blindly support the IRA despite the atrocities and terror they have committed on 'their own' communities."
Whether it's right or wrong, it's what I always thought it meant, and I think a lot of people here think it means "active-terrorist-from-the-other-side" - I think because some loyalist groups delayed ceasefire.
So, even the mention of the word will attract retributive comment, but I accept your correction, and will re-educate myself. Thanks
emmetor 2 years ago
In reply to Emmetor
Yes 1 true Protestant faith, We differ on acts of wroship not faith!
Did i say being Protestant is to do with Ulster or being Loyalist? NO I DIDNT!
There is nothing wrong with being proud of our religion and country!
51wins 2 years ago
51wins: yet another mention of Loyalist, but I still feel I haven't gotten a definition of what it means.
Republican means.. various things, so maybe loyalist is your version of the same thing. I admit, I'm quite surprised by that though. I always had the idea that unionists came from a different perspective.
To be honest though, nobody knows if there IS a true faith. It certainly sounds good in a sentence though, particularly if it happens to co-incide with your own religion!
emmetor 2 years ago
You said Loyalist meant someone who was willing to kill, I tend to find that more from Republicans who blindly support the IRA despite the atrocities and terror they have committed on 'their own' communities. A Loyalist is someone who is loyal to the British, in Northern Ireland its has more to do with loyalty to their friends and family than the British state per se.
Surely the definition of the word Faith is you fully believe in and commit yourself to one Religion? I'm a Humanist personally..
RafflesGT 2 years ago
Uh.. I'm a catholic by family, but by religion I tend to drift to catholicism, but am not very active. I've learned a lot about the local Anglicans, Mormons, Jehovahs, and I've studied gnosticism
I also have a strong philosophy that's not connected to religion.
Aside from all of that, I'm a scientist. I don't see any contradiction since science is a totally different thing.
I'd describe myself as a vehement anti-racist, social-minded capitalist.
emmetor 2 years ago
Unification should be Win:Win or there's no point in doing it.
Your career is made by taking a big job in a smaller company, rather than a small job in a big company.
emmetor 2 years ago
To be honest, there are a number of obstacles to unification.
1. The militarisation of the catholic culture in the north is easily droppable. The militarisation of protestant culture is enmeshed in the OO and the religion itself, so that's a difficulty.
2. Terrorism: It's likely that northern ireland would have to be integrated as a devolved self-governing structure, to prevent a backlash.
3. Various Concessions given
If point 1 could be overcome, everything else would follow
emmetor 2 years ago
1. The problem is the main party advocating a United Ireland is Sinn Fein, I think you're smart enough to realise the effect of them getting control of the region! The militarisation on Protestants is based on defense of their people, and always has been right from the time the OO were formed to defend against the Whiteboys, so that shouldn;t be a problem unless they are attacked. In the upheaval though who knows what would happen? We both know there are good and bad on either side.
RafflesGT 2 years ago
And the trouble is its usually the bad that take control in such situations, or those capable of bad things. Again we both know that both sides are still armed and dangerous!
2. I don't think the Loyalists would resort to terrorism, most of them still remember the effects of it from the Troubles.
3. Any perceived threat to the Unionist culture would cause problems, which only escalate.
And 4. Ireland is a poorer nation than Britain, with much less in the way of policing or military capabilities
RafflesGT 2 years ago
"4. Ireland is a poorer nation than Britain, with much less in the way of policing or military capabilities"
Don't worry about that. I know this country, and they would pull all the stops out, from extreme community policing to the point of dismantling ghettos by providing better class housing - just like they did in Ballymun.
They would be well able to handle it, believe me, because peaceful transition is of far greater urgency and importance to Ireland than to England.
emmetor 2 years ago
Again its debatable. But its also a huge gamble that could go disastrously wrong. When India was partitioned there were disastrous unforseen consequences, and that was with both sides in almost complete agreement about the split!
By the way, i'm not sure that 'extreme community policing' is the answer to Northern Ireland's problems and for once Sinn Fein might agree with me! :D
RafflesGT 2 years ago
That type of policing has worked with great success in Limerick to defuse long running gang fueds - by adding 100 extra police in the affected area
The southern police are a lot different now. Non-detectives are unarmed, and they changed their hiring policy, to allow smaller people to patrol, as well as hiring foreign nationals.
It won't be like the RUC with machineguns, it's far more likely to be small blondy haired girls or guys with university degrees.
emmetor 2 years ago
It might not be that easy, there was a reason the RUC was armed.