Macedonian Protest for Human Rights in Greece - Toronto (2)

[5hitter]

You are avoiding my questions-what do you slavs have anything to do with the Ancient Macedonians? and show me Ancient Macedonian artifacts,ruins and coins written in slavic

[5hitter]

Read history-Macedonia is a Greek word and these people claim they are not Greek but slavs who invaded Macedonia 800 years after the Ancient Macedonians and have occupied it since-They are stealing Greece's History-And the slavs are in no position to speak about human rights as they are forcing many Greeks to adopt slavic names and do not allow them to speak the Macedonian dialect which is Greek-DONT!!! believe slavic propoganda-Read History

[OnyxLyrica]

@5hitter

Okay, now explain why Ancient Macedonians needed translators when talking with greeks/greek officials. This is not stealing history, its reported by greek historians of the time.

You can check the origin of the word in macedonian (slavic macedonian for you) and see what it means. Maybe we should gather a bunch of linguists and see where the etymology falls short. We cannot both be right.

[5hitter]

@OnyxLyrica-Comparing Greek dialects with one another is not an argument slav especially using slavic versions of what Macedonia means when every linguist officially know it is a Greek word

But answer me this what do you slavs have anything to do with the ancient macedonians? especially show me Ancient macedonian artifacts,ruins and coins written in your slavic language? I will be waiting

[OnyxLyrica]

@5hitter

Really? How come we don't need to translate when talking among people of other dialects? Let me tell you why now. Because Ancient Macedonia was there way before you arrived, as nomadic Hellenic tribes from the south. As such, it stands to logic that they would need to translate your language, they were not Hellenic. Just because later many spoke greek means nothing. Oh, and I dont need slavic language, i can find it with the transitory ancient macedonian characters very well, thankyou

[trisnna9801]

Another smart move by a young country. Protest against Greece, the country that is your #1 investor and #2 trading partner. What's next? Putting your d*cks in a moving fan?

[Nikosellas1]

These people are dumber than monkeys....I give more credit to monkeys for at least they know thier identity. The slavs are nothing more but lower grade Bulgarians.

[OnyxLyrica]

@Nikosellas1

And constructive debate somehow eludes your people, so you dive into plain insults. Whats next, "yo momma" jokes?

[Patriotism1000]

Arrian

Ancient Greek Historian

The Campaigns of Alexander

[1] "Destiny had decreed that Macedon should wrest the sovereignty of Asia from Persia, as Persia once had wrested it from the Medes, and the Medes, in turn, from the Assyrians." [p. 111]

[Patriotism1000]

[2] "Our enemies are Medes and Persians, men who for centuries have lived soft and luxurious lives; we of Macedon for generations past have been trained in the hard school of danger and war. Above all, we are free men, and they are slaves." [p.112]

[Patriotism1000]

3] "When received the report that Alexander was moving forward to the attack, he sent some 30,000 mounted troops and 20,000 light infantry across the river Pinarus, to give himself a chance of getting the main body of his army into position without molestation. His dispositions were as follows:

in the van of his heavy infantry were his 30,000 Greek mercenaries, facing the Macedonian infantry, with some 60,000 Persian heavy infantry- known as Kardakes." [p.114]

[Patriotism1000]

[4] [Book II - Battle of Issus] "Darius' Greeks fought to thrust the Macedonians back into the water and save the day for their left wing, already in retreat, while the Macedonians, in their turn, with Alexander's triumph plain before their eyes, were determined to equal his success and not forfeit the proud title of invincible, hitherto universally bestowed upon them. The fight was further embittered by the old racial rivalry of Greek and Macedonian." [p.119]

[Patriotism1000]

with an untrained fleet against highly trained Cyprian and Phoenician crews; the sea, morever, was a tricky thing - one could not trust it, and he was not going to risk making a present to the Persians of all the skill and courage of his men; as to defeat, it would be very serious indeed and would affect profoundly the general attitude to the war in its early stages, above all by encouraging the Greeks to revolt the moment they got news of a Persian success at sea." [p.80]

[Patriotism1000]

[11] Alexander speaking to his officers: ".......But let me remind you: Through your courage and endurance you have gained possession of Ionia, the Hellespont, both Phrygias, Cappadocia, Paphlagonia, Lydia, Caria, Lycia, Pamphylia, Phoenicia and Egypt; the Greek part of Libya is now yours, together with much of Arabia, lowland Syria, Mesopotamia, Babylon, and Susia;........." [p.292]

[Patriotism1000]

12] Alexander addressing his troops: With all that accomplished, why do you hesitate to extend the power of Macedon - your power- to the Hyphasis and the tribes on the other side? [p.293] Arrian, book 5.

[Patriotism1000]

[13] Alexander continues to address his troops: "Gentlemen of Macedon, and you my friends and allies, this must not be. Stand firm; for well you know that hardship and danger are the price of glory, and that sweet is the savour of a life of courage and of deathless renown beyond the grave." [p.294]

[Patriotism1000]

What great or noble work could we ourselves have achieved had we thought it enough, living at ease in Macedon, merely to guard our homes, excepting no burden beyond checking the encroachment of the Thracians on our borders, or the Illyrians and Triballians, or perhaps such Greeks as might prove a menace to our comfort." [p.294] Arrian, Book 5.

[Patriotism1000]

[13] Of the rest of the Greeks, some were well disposed toward the Macedonians, others remained neutral. 18.11.1

[14] A few of the Illyrians and the Thracians joined the alliance (with the Greeks) because of their hatred of the Macedonians. 18.11.1-2

[Patriotism1000]

[4] Then the Macedonian (Coragus) poised his long lance and charged, but the Greek (Dioxippus), when he came within reach, struck the spear with his club and shuttered it. After these two defeats, Coragus was reduced to continuing the battle with sword, but as he reached for it, the other leaped upon him and seized his swordhand with his left, while with his right hand the Greek upset the Macedonian’s balance and made him lose his footing. 17.100.6-7

[Patriotism1000]

[3] The Macedonians and Alexander backed Coragus because he was one of them while the Greeks favored Dioxippus. 17.100.4.

[Patriotism1000]

[2] For many days the king lay helpless under his treatment, and the Greeks who had been settled in Bactria and Sogdiana, who had long borne unhappily their sojourn among peoples of another race and now received word that the king has died of his wounds, revolted against the Macedonians. They formed a band of 3000 men and underwent great hardship on their homeward route. Later they were massacred by the Macedonians after Alexander’s death. 17.99.5-6.

[Patriotism1000]

[1] For even Greeks – Thespians, Plataeans and Orchomenians, and some other hostile to the Thebans who had joined the king (of the Macedonians) in the campaign. 17.13.5.

[Patriotism1000]

The below 40 quotes from his books XVII, XVIII, XIX, XX, XXII, XXVIII, XXIX, XXXI, and XXXII are indeed an overwhelming proof of that:

[Patriotism1000]

Diodorus Siculus

Ancient Greek Historian

The ancient Greek historian Diodorus wrote much of the history of Macedonia from the times of Philip II and Alexander the Great up to the last Macedonian king Perseus. In his writings, Diodorus is clear that the ancient Macedonians were a distinct nation, not related to any of the Balkan peoples (Greeks, Thracians, and Illyrians).

[IvoDiLaRa]

MACEDONIA is BULGARIAN LAND !!!

[OnyxLyrica]

@IvoDiLaRa

In your dreams, it may be.

[unfukkkmee]

MACEDONIA IS GREEK

[OnyxLyrica]

@unfukkkmee

But of course. And the square is just an angular type of circle, right?

[Atromitos888]

Round them up, ship them back to the shithole they came from.

[macedonianorg]

ja was jetzt sind wir griechen albaner bulgaren zigeuner wlachen wieso streitet ihr euch um uns ich erkenne die logik nicht dahinter wenn bulgaren griechen albaner sagen die gehören zu uns dann kämpft doch um mazedonien reden wir mal so in knapp 3jahren über mazedonien wenn wir unser land wieder zurück bekommen und endlich vereint sind....vertrag von bukarest 1913 mal lesen und dann weiter bull shit reden....bis dann

[sokomokomo]

ZIGEUNER SKOPIANI

[jimakosmar]

when the scientists from all the world speaks

when history speaks itself ..

the secret US political plans and the modern "childrens of Alexander"

looks like Disney story ..

/watch?v=DuIhBYBOzgg&feature=r­elated

/watch?v=gL32OBM4ous

(Lexotanil 20mgr for your nerves .. victims lol )

[OnyxLyrica]

@jimakosmar

Actually those from Soros are against the notion that we have any ties with Ancient Macedonia and the name dispute we have with your country. You might think twice before you talk bad about them, they are doing a better job at the Greek propaganda than your own country is.

[jimakosmar]

@OnyxLyrica well !! what we have here ! a thinking person !

ok brother ! you are 99% right ! Soros do great propaganda "work" in my country too..

so my ancient tie brother .. lets do what Alexander did when he placed the shields of Persians

to Parthenon ! NOT to Pella ..(why?) he was an Macedonian traitor ?

If we was not .. let me call you Greek brother .. if you feel Macedonian tie so deep.

Understood ? ;-)

[mkballer123]

"MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS!"

-William Gladstone, 1892

Modern greeks are just Albanians.

[SMYRNAfreedom]

@mkballer123 >> Krste Misirkov, 1903, "our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians"

ISMAIL KEMAL 1901-2, "Greeks do not want to violate the rights of the other nations, their attitude is just defensive. But the Bulgarian element is inspired by other intentions. It wants to be expanded in order to harm the Greek element in every means." ""Greeks just want to be protected from every violation of their historical and ethnological rights."

[Kallergianakis]

All these people ae ex Bulgarian renegades...during the WW2 they asked and took the bulgarian citizenship and after 50 years of Titos propaganda they believed that they are Macedonians...but they borned as Bulgarians and they will die as Bulgarians!!

[OnyxLyrica]

@Kallergianakis

You took that land by force, and changed their identity by force. I dunno what lies has your country fed you, but explain how can we influence somebody that's on Bulgarian territory today? Magic?

[EpsilonGeorge]

THIS ARE BULGARIANS AND YOUGOSLAVIAN KOMUNISIM PEOPLE, but not macedons

[Kriti98]

I am so glad we kicked these Bulgarians out of our country after the civil war.

FREEDOM TO THE GREEKS OF MONASTIRI

[drumercoka]

@Kriti98 fuck you you gayreek the god is big you will pay for everything hellasses

[LJUBOSKvsGIPSYGREEK]

macedonia forever with love and forever that country must to stay in the hart. kill greece, fuck greece and hate greece.... that people and contry actually vilage are so fucken stupid and ugly more from gipsy

[2005defender]

@LJUBOSKvsGIPSYGREEK

YOUR ASS IS STILL HURTING SINCE 1949 FILTHY RACE OF COWARDS

[Aerospartan]

fucking moron clouns, Macedonia is only one and only Hellenic. You are bulgarians and morons,fuck off

[OnyxLyrica]

@Aerospartan

Spartan, you have spent too much time in the air, the clouds (Aero). The higher you go the harder you will fall. Speaking of falling, get your head to the ground and smell the coffee. There was nothing Hellenic about Macedonia, if anything we did you a favor, by uniting your war-mongering tribes, and keeping you from destroying each other. So you should be grateful, not spiteful.

[Aerospartan]

@OnyxLyrica You don't know shit about history. Your ancestors came in the neighborhood around 800AD. The people who inhabited the place where you are now had no relation to you. We were no neighbors. You are not Macedonians because you are not Greeks. We were no tribes, you were plus uncivilised when we had invented steam turbines in 400BC. You have no relations to the ancient Macedonians who were Greeks, as their descendants nowadays. So shut the fuck up

[filipdimovski]

Macedonia forever!!!

MACEDONIA TIMELESS!!!

[GREEKMIND]

hgahahah this was 19 years ago, who gives a shit. Yugos are still our bitches in Greece thats all that matters, and they will be on our level. Fuck em who cares

[galan64]

r u guys thick headed macidonia is greece loookkkk you num dicks you stole the name frome the GREEK province Makethonia and Alexsander the Great. so stop and if i see any macidonians inturupting the Greeak parade on the Danforth Ill woop all your asses BACKKK OFF DONT EVEN TRY

[sliven66]

HAHAHA :))))))))))))))))))))))

WARNING!!!

BULGARIAN LION (БЪЛГАРСКИЯТ ЛЪВ) symbol used

Where is the SUN(or the fan) flag?

Ooops. I forgot- in 1988 there wasn't such a state with that kind of flag. :)

Where is the SUN(or the fan) flag?

Ooops. I forgot- in 1988 there wasn't such a state with that kind of flag. :)

[jonibugi]

ops the bulgarian lion is macedonian symbol

its symbol for VMRO the macedonian one not bulgarian

Ooops you stoled the flag from EASAT-INDIAN TRADE-COMPANY

i know gypsies must steal

[sliven66]

watch?v=rELjxRoGIAI

Watch this and learn something different, than what they teach you at MANU. Wake up! ;)

[kaffebarovic]

if i see you on the street one day dusty greek or bulgarin bastart i will give you gibsy in your as you will see :picka ti mater

[jonibugi]

On August 2, 338 BC, the Macedonians defeated the Greeks at Chaeronea in central Greece and conquered their country. On the battlefiled they erected an impressive sculpture of a proud-standing lion. The same lion sculpture is also found in the Macedonian city of Amphipolis.

[sliven66]

LOL. And before that, the Spartans defeated Athenians in the Peloponnesian War! :)

The Macedonians of Philip and Alexander, have nothing to do with the today's so called "Macedonians", because they were GREEK. The people who nowadays live in the REGION called "Macedonia" are mostly(60+%) a brainwashed BULGARIANS. ;)

watch?v=WVP7I1rjFyU

[jonibugi]

he word BULGAR in old turkic dialect meant TURLITAVA, or in other words a mixture, referring to the seven tribes that comprises the Bulgarian nation. Those seven tribes were of all kinds of asian origins. The Slavic element is a small part and present only in the Pirin where Bulgars assimilated some Macedonians.

There is a town called BULGA in Western Mongolia. KHAN KUBRAT

[OnyxLyrica]

@sliven66

How can you say that when neither Alexander's mother nor father were of greek/hellenic descent?

[5hitter]

@jonibugi-What do you slavs have anything to do with the Ancient Macedonians except stealing Greece's History and show the world ancient Macedonian artifacts,ruins and coins written in your slavic language?

[AlphaPegasi]

What a bunch of Ididots. "Machedonchia"

Its MAKETHONIA you morons. Not Ma "che" don "chia". These are the dangers of communism. Ask any one of these poor monkeys wether Alexander was a slav and theyll tell you yes he was.

[OnyxLyrica]

@AlphaPegasi

He was an Ancient Macedonian, yes. And that by itself does not make him Greek by the way.

[dimitra26ath]

2 Albanians killed in Fyrom during the elections last June.Vardaria is a 3rd world country!

[kaffebarovic]

and greek will be a 3.wourld country we will seee

[mentalmove]

In Greece, the human rights are fully protected in any way, from the Greek Law, Government policy with EU's efficiency also.

So, there was NO NEED for protests. Besides there is not "macedonian minority" .. This are historical proved...

[OnyxLyrica]

@mentalmove

Give me a reason why Greeks would suddenly adopt a "southslavic" ethnic background and claim they are not Greeks, but a Slavic ethnic minority in your country, deprived from its rights? Any good reasons?

[realSLAV85]

wow...i was there too!

Great bulgarian party!

[OrthodoxMk4ever]

Greetigns to all of my brothers in foreigh contries all over the world.Never to forget who we are and what we are.

MACEDONIANS we are!

MACEDONIA is our contry and our mother land!

and we will give our lives for her

DEATH or FREADOM my brothers!!!

[johnoagrios]

lol u still believe that you are macedonians hahahahahah u are like gypsies country of the 3rd world xaxa

[OnyxLyrica]

@johnoagrios

Your country is actually doing worse. So I guess this is the "insecurity laugh"?

[MakKing79]

You greeks are good with words but thats all

You Fucking gay fucks

we might have 2 million people but we would fuck you rite up fuckers Bring it on.

[wantedGR]

omg fucking gypsies.

[vatraxopedilloo]

nice grave ... 1990 ... 2008 i hope you are alla dead by now !

[theoccharis]

Makedonia is only greek'!'!!!

[TeaMKD12]

Macedonia forever...

[GjorgjiSugare]

be scared greeks its ok.we will wait for our chance when that chance comes we will use it.and MACEDONIA will be united again

[Kriti98]

I thought these Gypsies only existed in Australia. It looks like they spread out like the Albanians in the balkans.

There is no Macedonian minority in Greece. Only a small slavophone community in Florina. But you will find that most of this community considered themselves Greek.

[OnyxLyrica]

@Kriti98

You are contradicting yourself and make no sense. It seems to be usual trait your people share. No wonder you stole mythology and legends from other cultures and though they were your own.

[unfukkkmee]

@OnyxLyrica U SLAVS SLAVS AND NOTHING OTHER. UR NOT Macedonians. UR COUNTRY HAS FAKE NAMNE. ASS SLAV RETARD FROM STEPPES STOP THE FANATIC PROPAGANDA Against THE GREEKS. LISTEN TO ME NOW OPEN ONE ANCIENT GRAVE AND U CAN SEE HOW THE MACEDONIAN TOMB HAS GREEK DNA.

THE Macedonian IS NOT ethnic.

THE Macedonian IS NOT nation.

THE Macedonia IS NOT Country.

THE MACEDONIA IS GREEK WORD.

ALEXANDER IS GREEK NAME. THE MACEDONIANS ARE GREEKS.

[OnyxLyrica]

@unfukkkmee

1- The science domain of Etymology disagrees with you on the subject of the origin and meaning of the name Alexander and also the name Macedonia;

2- "Slavs Slavs" - What is this, a desperate attempt at a racial designation? Be more creative at least;

3- Speaking of DNA, since you seem to be a fan of it - how come our country was rated having the highest, I repeat, the HIGHEST percentage of genetic heritage of the Ancient Macedonians according to the European iGENEA Institute?

[unfukkkmee]

THE SLAVS HAVE 90% MONGOLIC BLOOD AND 10% GERMAN BLOOD.

@OnyxLyrica  U ARE Bulgarians. U HAS NOTHING TO WITH Macedonians. WHY THE MACEDONIANS ARE GREEKS

[Siatistian]

We will give autonomy to shit! Come take it! Cowards! MACEDONIA IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE GREEK!!!!

[bojanboss]

KADE STE MI MAKEDONICINJA!!! KADE STE KAJ OTIDOVTE!!! cel svet protestira so tepacki samo makedonce protestira so pesna VIVA'LA MACEDONIA!!!