Stefan Molyneux practiced a lot. And the result is significant. I hope to get out of my dreadful situation with my shattered c.v. and high IQ. At least I do understand now what’s going on. The spark I need to step out of Babylon and finally being successful, is given by Stefan Molyneux, Great work, thank you.
I'm a bit peeved that he said he used knowledge to judge intellect, with the "If you don't know that libertarians predicted this" - I'm 17 years old, I only know what little of Libertarian philosophy that I've learned in the past half a year, beofore that I was in public school, I just learned the term a year ago. I've always thought like a libertarian would think, but my knowledge starts and ends with Stefan here. And being judged to be not a thinker because of this. Doesn't sit right with me.
So , Stefan hates being right well , he can relax here ..because hes wrong . Restrict democracy because people might have vested interests ? The mans a goofball ....
@holographicsentience You're clearly not critically thinking if you think his goal is to "restrict democracy." Did you watch the whole video, or did you stop as soon as he talked about democracy?
@DoctorCapitalist I should have qualified "authoritarian" as "intellectual authoritarian" ..in the mainstream science community....peer review boards censor opposing theories, or methodologies..Stef practices this in regard to the Bill Gaede interview I have posted below. It is only because Bill also has the rights to this vid..that I ever got to see it..! He really is "just a guy on the internet," If he ditches the frankly religious attempts at establishing "objective truth"..then we can talk!
@DecassyJake attempts to understand objective reality is actually the opposite of 'religious attempts'. Otherwise scientists would be religious crackpots
@nurbSoldier Most mainstream science IS full of religious cracpots...there is no objective truth, only rational or irrational explanations for phenomena...check Bill Gaedes channel out.
@DecassyJake there you go again, making positive, universal statements about why objectivity does not exist. I think you need to look up objectivity in the dictionary to see why you contradict yourself.
@nurbSoldier STRAWMANNING me doesn't work this time on me!YOU are making the claim that objectivity EXISTS dummy..objectivity is a CONCEPT. Now tell me how a CONCEPT exists...? If your def of EXIST includes CONCEPTS themselves--then the lepracorn in your BRAIN(you know-the one who makes all your decisions) is the SAME as a Lepracorn right in front of you...!
@justintempler Stef is certainly pretending to be a philosopher..really he's a talking head..sorta philosopher. Should really be a politician..nothing wrong with having opinions tho..!
@DecassyJake Offerings us your opinion about Stef, wasn't the topic of discussion but I can see you might have difficulty deciding which Gaede channel to send people to. The one where he talks how 911 was an inside job or the one where he says the reason people are gay is because the ropes inside their head are turning in the wrong direction.
@panpiper..the maths axiom you have stated is rule based circular thinking..like saying "the sky is blue so the sky is blue"..This has nothing to do with explaining reality for the Greeks or for anybody else..
youtube.com/watch?v=Twx7xjgRTuw ..catch this for a response to Stef's claim to follow the scientific method...in order to establish TRUTH. Fill out the first bit yourself..as YT won't let me type the whole address.
People vote for the politician that promises the most free stuff. What they get is higher taxes, class warfare and debt. Oh yea, the free market is blamed for it all.
Defying the society? The culture? Experiencing the brutal defense mechanisms of the popular lie?
Damn it, I know what you speak of.
Any minute, some police unit could knock on/kick down my door, kidnap me and jail me up for up to 20 (in words: twenty!) years for a simple "crime of opinion", all absolutely legal according to my states laws.
What fucking dictatorship I live in? Well, Austria.
That's right, middle of Europe and the state tells us what we're allowed to think and what not.
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Hi Stef - I wonder if you could consider a counter-proposal to the notion that "we can't progress until its admitted/acknowledged that liberterians have had correct advice for a long time". Instead, I've seen that such acknowledgment rarely happens. Rather, "progress" seems to follow the correct position arising from some other source, with a new name, and concensus forming that "the answer" has finally arrived as the "new" position. To me, this seems to be a dysfunction of "popular rule".
@madhillick ... "poor people shouldn't have a say" ... a say in what ? Perhaps the more profound statement would be "there shouldn't be anything for anyone to have a say in" ... who gets a say in how everyone is to be controlled seems rather irrelevant in light of the fact that the control shouldn't exist to begin with.
@mattsamudio A say in what happens in their lives. At one point Stef sounded to me that he was blaming economic disaster on the fact that people who have very little money still get to cast a vote on economic policies, rather than criticising the people at the top who caused the problems.
@DecassyJake ... to support that claim (that Stef has no more claim on the truth than anyone else), you first have to come to some assessment of what a "claim on the truth" involves, and then show that Stef doesn't better hold such than someone else. I think that a reasonable measure of "claim on the truth" is soundness of logic combined with acceptability of premises, and in that regard Stef compares very favorably to others.
@mattsamudio If you define "the truth" as perfect, complete knowledge about how X works, then it is impossible for anyone to claim that they know that, because we have limited knowledge. You can say that a person's arguments have more evidence or merit than others, and that they may be moving closer to the truth...but that is very different from having a claim on the final truth. A good analogy is the scientific method - they don't make claims on the truth, instead they refine their theories.
@radscorpion8 ... yes, you're (mostly) correct - though the original statement was made relative to others and my answer was likewise relative to others, as evidenced by "in that regard Stef compares very favorably to others". With that said, there is still more that could be debated in terms of semantics around phrases like "truth", "THE truth", "absolute truth", etc ... it certainly wasn't my intention to open that up :)
@mattsamudio Yes but relative to others about *what*? I was just following your formula - you said one needed to assess what a "claim on the truth" involves, and then show why Stef's doesn't hold better than others. But you answered the latter without defining the former. I tried to show that by defining the former, comparisons are impossible because no one has a "claim on the truth", thus validating Decassy's statement. The statement isn't about who's better - its a call to keep an open mind :)
@mattsamudio "a claim on THE truth"....is a religious statement..he has a possibly rational OPINION.."truth" according to Stef is based on "objective truth" a complete contradiction in terms!
In the UK, my cousin is disabled, well he was born with weak foot muscles. So he gets tired walking, but he is completely normal and perfectly able bodied. Yet since he was 16 he is entitled to a brand new car, not just a standard car, he can chose what ever car he wants. Currently he has a BMW coupe. The car can be traded in every 3 years for a newer model, he doesnt pay road tax etc... It annoys me so much.
EU plan constitutes no credit event for CDSs, Papa walks along the leash of the megabanks again as they perceive a Greek default being unhedged as better than a 50% haircut without being hedged with CDSs.
@wreagfe I meant: as they perceive a Greek default being *hedged* as better than a 50% haircut being unhedged with CDSs.
NB: b/c this EU does not constitute a credit event for CDSs, the CDS is basically dead and CDSs worthless. Sucks being BofA with 70 trillion of unhedged liabilities, no? :)
It's very disheartening to know that most of the worlds population only want to exists on a very low brain function, Not wanting to educate themselves, not wanting to push their own species further in evolution. As with ancient Greece I feel we will disappear into another 3000 year dark age. Knowledge has died many times, We could be so much more, Man's Greed has always been the problem, But then Greed is a natural part of biology, which gives ultimate in survival. At the expense of the masses.
@Lisa281977 Greed can be a good thing you know. It can give people incentive to innovate and produce to achieve the means of their own self-interest. It can also lead to violence and theft.
It'd be nice if statists actually admitted to this, but since they're violent liars, they don't feel obligated. What they will do you see, is say that they've ALSO predicted this (of course that's BS) and that it was caused by capitalism and unregulated markets. They'll only rethink this over once they're presented with the choice "Stupid dead ideology or......food."
Out of all the people I've tried to tell about the logical consequences of things over the years, not one has come up to me and said "You were right". (A few has stopped calling me crazy and mocking me though....) Not that I care per se, it's not "me" that is right, it the methodology. What is true is true regardless of me. But I would really wish that they'd get that it's anarchism/libertarianism that is right so we can prevent disasters in the future.
...thank you for putting into words what we go through... try to buck the current, then come tell me we are free. The ones who say we are free, are the ones who've never even approached the electrical fence.
Real democracy and capitalism only compete they cant work together..........greece needs to plug the plug on the euro and hope the bullying when it starts is wasted on them.
The thing is, so many already have an answer ready for the problems we see today, an answer that fits snugly with the narratives they run on -namely, that capitalism has failed. So no Stefan, people will never admit libertarians were right.
@TotalAnomy Michael Medved labels libertarians as losertarians. However, he fails to realised that the two major political parties put policies in place. That take more of your property, and liberties. More regulations, the constant support for public schools(Indoctrination) More wars and fraud. There are many abuses they cause, libertarians could point that out, like counting petals on a dandelion flower.
1 million dead, 2 million maned, 700k windows, 5 million orphans... a hand full of stories. I would love to hear about the stories of the men gunned down in the Wikileaks video.
The other problem is can you count on people who get no benefits of legislation to vote for the benefits of others, really. Ben Franklin said it best. "A democracy will fail when the masses realize they can vote the money directly out of the treasury" I believe Government has one role, Equal Justice. Leave the socialism to Society.
Presumably you're going to vote for the politician that is best suited to serve your interests, just like everyone else will, including those receiving benefits.
Should YOU be disqualified if you're voting for selfish, self-serving reasons and not for what's best for the collective?
Furthermore, who then determines which voter is legitimate? Everything is subjective...
@Zonkerino Nothing guarantees that the person you voted for will accomplish any of the things he promised to do so the whole system is stupid anyway. The whole thing is a sick perverse joke.
Prostitute your children with the govern mental euro or change and learn to survive and self support through community service not lip service. Show your children.
Very few people understand the real issue with the Greek monetary and revenue system, and NO politician is saying it. the Greek Govt, is run and operated by their version of the mafia, or mob , and that is 100% true. the Greek govt let them fucking well do it, so let them loose to sink or swim on their own. THEN, create a new euro dollar with a realistic rather than idealistic entry requirement for all the countries in Europe.
Get into politics Stef..your use of the term "truth" in philosophy+science is bogus, BUT...In the political context "truth" it is'nt absilutist..it's just a reasonably rational explanation for why the state should be wound down. Sure the State can be LIKE the mafia..but it is different enought from that esteemed criminal organisation..you can garner support..it needs dismantelling..and who better than the Libertarians..can do that?
@DecassyJake Stefan has addressed this numerous times. Can you reform the mafia (for instance) to turn it into a benevolent, non-criminal organization by joining it and changing it from the inside? Any government that taxes or passes laws is unethical, period, end stop. Getting into politics is effectively joining with evil (that being Stefan's perspective as I see it anyway).
@Panpiper i disagree and i think ron paul is a great example of that. of course you will have more counter arguments to this statement i make, but i'm not gonna go through the pain of debating this with 500 character limits. anyhow my point is stefan is doing more than his fair share with the grassroots/teaching work he has been doing. whether he participates in politics or not would be a minor point compared to his main work. for the rest of you guys however. i think context is important.
@spyletu Ron Paul serves a different function than Stefan. Stefan is a philosopher trying to educate people to fundamental truths; Ron Paul is a pied piper, bringing the masses to the point where they can listen and understand someone like Stefan. For Stefan to do Ron Paul's job would be as absurd as for Ron Paul to do Stefan's. They are different jobs, different functions. Running for office is not the only way to achieve change, and in Stefan's opinion, it is not even an effective way.
@DecassyJake I can excuse that of Ron Paul because he does not claim to use the scientific method..Stef does..so he is SO FAIR GAME for getting called on his FUNDAMENTALIST perspective..I'm with him on so many issues politically..but he denies being political, denies the realistic assessment of his work being a part of the culture which bred him..he has no more handle on the truth than any other individual who reads the funnnies on the weekend!
@DecassyJake Religion likes to preach what they claim to be truth, and I have no doubt that's where you've heard the words 'fundamental truth' more often. But that does NOT mean that those words 'belong' to theology. Philosophy is the domain of truth, to the extent that truth be attainable. Religion is the domain of nonsense, that simply pretends to be truth.
@Panpiper YES..truth is a CONCEPT..not an object..Stef mixes up a statement of the facts...with his own opinion which he calls the truth, Check the link I posted where Stef get's called on his mis-understanding of the Scientific Method....
@DecassyJake So, the addition of two integers, each of a value of one, results in a value of two; that is simply an 'opinion'? It is not, it is a fact, it is truth. "Human beings act" is a truth. The structure of logic, is a truth. If one starts with facts that are true, it is quite possible to derive other truths through the medium of logic. The truths derived thereby are not simply, opinion.
If you disagree, I summarily dismiss your disagreement as simply being your opinion.
@Panpiper It has taken over 30 years for Ron Paul to get Austrian economics some attention in the U.S..whether he gets in or not, that is an achievement..It has shown is possible to run on a roll back the state platform..it's easy to comment from a distance..to preach non involvement in any and all political activities..I think you are right the gov-ITSELF(i.e all the people inside the gov complex) can't reform the STATE. The people who voteOUTSIDE the STATE- CAN and must know of an alternative.
@Panpiper You can't can't change people..if they believe voting for administrations of some sort or other that is what they will do..what..? We have to wait till those people DIE before we start the process of state dis-mantling..? Stef's way is a kind of ideological purity..divorced from reality..engage I say..face off..put something on the line for LIBERTY..the mafia truly is an OFFSHOOT of absurd state policy...get policy changed...
@DecassyJake So rather than campaign to 'end' slavery, giving slavery (the state) no quarter, Stefan should get involved in politics so he can instead beg the masters (the state) to not whip the slaves so much. The state, to the extent it exists, is in fact evil. For Stefan to point that out while simultaneously running for office in the state would expose him rightfully to the charge of hypocrisy.
@Panpiper The State don't exist..policy has "evil" implications..simply calling the state evil is hysterical..it's a rhetorical device used by a demogogue!
@DecassyJake Voting is fixed, the last 3 Presidential elections were manipulated as are key Congressional seats. Anyone in politics is there because they are approved by the elite, and that goes for Ron Paul too. The corruption is too deep to fix with political solutions. Your best bet is to get out of the system as much as possible, and if/when we get enough people we organize a strike and for everyone to stop paying taxes. Voting is just more statism.
@stefbot I wonder if a video showing libertarian clips and quotes demonstrating these kinds of predictions juxtaposed with clips and statistics about the modern democratic world would be helpful. Could be a powerful video. Thanks for this one!
@dingerness A great project for others perhaps, but I don't think it is something 'Stefan' should do. I am not sure it would have the same power as a 'Peter Schiff was Right" video. Peter's video was one person in a short period of time making rather specific, near term predictions, which makes it starkly powerful. Various libertarians making general predictions over a long period of time would be nowhere near as powerful unless extremely well done.
Papandreou is famous in Hellas for being a professional broker taking orders from the big multinational bankers and companies. Many of the "loud" announcements he makes are motivated by his bosses. Greece has always been a colony of the west since the first day of its independence in 1821... so when you hear stuff about Greece concerning its political system you must be very cautious......
Am I the only one who doesn't give a flying fark anymore what is going on in Greece, or the EU, or democracy, or anything to do with political and social events? Who cares if the idiot who throws himself off a cliff doesn't acknowledge that we told him he'd fall down? He's dead.
Stef, you are absolutely correct. No one acknowledges that they were warned. This alone proves they (the mainstream intellectual molders of the world) are dishonest. In 2008 when the financial crisis happened, I knew absolutely nothing about economics but was interested to learn. Right from the beginning, I asked myself what school of thought was successful most often in predicting economic crises, and so discovered the Austrians. I wanted, unlike many others, out there, to learn the truth.
@IvanTheHeathen It is small wonder. The vast majority of voters persist in being surprised when the politicians they elect don't fulfill their campaign promises, despite the fact that virtually all politicians lie all the time (albeit usually with half truths and obfuscations). Diverging... It is for instance a standard tact of any professional politician to never answer a direct question. They instead answer with the closest analogue to a question they 'want' to answer.
Something that has always tried to question is if by applying the non aggression principle and say a violent crime is committed against you. How is the aggressor taken care of or punished? Lets face it as a peaceful society it could be someone will throw a monkey into the wrench.
@Biosynthnut The non-aggression principle is the non 'initiation' of force. If you are defending yourself from aggression, you did not 'initiate' the force, even though you may be using force in self defense. Just what form a future society would take to deal with such initiations of aggression by criminals is a purely academic discussion that is of little relevance to the fundamental truth, that the initiation of force is wrong, period, end stop.
The incoherence of the idea of a "felon" needs to be addressed in an outright and brutal fashion, as well. In the US you lose your "right" to vote, your right to bear arms, etc, if you have been convicted and sentenced as a felon. The mythos that you've "paid your debt to society" is simply a crock of s**t, if you haven't regained your "rights." Yet, this fiction abounds, in addition to all the fees, continued social/legal scrutiny, etc. A "felon" never finishes his "payment" to "society."
@urinfamousr79 No. It's part of an incoherent doctrine of having "paid back society." You either have paid or you have not. If the doctrine weren't simply a matter of finely-woven chicanery it would be honest and say: "For your crimes, you will never be able to pay back 'society.'" As it stands, "felons" have little to lose in terms of incentive since they can never reach the end of their payment within their lifetime.
And, let's not even broach the idea of "correctional" institutions...
@hartforest I got caught with a used hash pipe when I was 18. I am now 52 years old and will be punished no doubt till the end of my days for that terrible crime. If I am questioned by the police for any reason whatsoever, I linger under a presumption of guilt rather then the supposed presumption of innocence. There are all manners of things I am not allowed to do ranging from travel restrictions, jobs I can hold, licensees I can get, things I can own, etc..
... Another , cause his party is polling single digit numbers making both his government, and the "plan" future questionable if his government collapse and a new government comes in.
Another, cause he is facing a with in his party rebellion.
Your historical references luck historical representativeness too.
Voting rights weren't expanded in spite political wisdom, they were expanded because of political wisdom.
A participatory democracy reduces conflicts, and of course the big 19th/early 20th century question is how to prevent revolutions from occurring, which seemed imminent across European countries.
Expanded voting rights make the social issues a priority, "social contracts" addressed them , socio-economical conflicts were reduced and political stability gave birth to the modern liberal democratic system.
Your story about Greece population not being able to vote for a decision like this surprised me. Who IS in your eyes objective enough? The banks? Nah, they don't look at income, they look at bonuses. The government? Nah, that's more about stature and careers. The corporations? Nah, they're interested in competitive advantage, not the greater good of all. So who in your opinion is really able to make the decision about Greece?
@alphabert77 The basic point is that individuals have a right to make choices for themselves, and that is the end of it. No individual or group of individuals has the right to force choices upon anyone else.
It is disgusting to see how exited you are about the crises and people suffering. You talk like the greeks are the victims, no they aren´t, greeks did a lot of bookholding fraud to get in the EU.
The Greek people were completely in the dark about the "book-holding fraud" with both the two main political parties being in on this conspiracy for 11 years with the overseas banks , There was no public disclosure until the banks blew the lid on it after the global banking crisis forced them too. key board warrior , How brave of you to talkshit about Greeks while hiding behind internet anonymity!
@Obasiliasfilosofos doesnt matter, it is greece mistake, gayreeks have to pay their debt back. they werent complaining when using other peoples money werent they? One way or another way greeks will have to suffer if they dont want to be expeled from europe
You're insensitive prick & very callous towards the human tragedy afflicting my loved ones in Greece, Where does this hate of yours come from then ? if its just the eurozone-credit bullshit then why aren't you banging on about Italy,Spain,Portugal,Ireland who had made their own deficit cloaking deals?
@erdal0 The shareholders of the major banking outfits took a risk when they put their money in institutions heavily invested in sovereign debt - all junk debt with golden ratings, mostly. Well Greece excluded. No one owes these people anything. Certainly not the Greek taxpayers who may have only had very limited influence as to whether they'd incur this debt to begin with.
The social decay and mindless consumer life is terrible for the majority but isn’t this just dandy for the wealthy reclining on private islands skipping across prole skin rugs. This surely is planned – mass social upheaval perhaps more wars to kill several billion useless eaters off while the wealthy play their real time war games. Is it simply an evolutionary glitch that Psychopaths have been in charge for so long?
@ehpl No it isn't. Most people are lazy, ignorant slobs who gladly have someone else think, act and work for them - that is why they always like to give power away to someone else to "take care of them" like mommy did, but of course he never does, just takes advantage of them - it's so predictable.
You can't argue people who on benefits can't vote as you might as well say anyone who pays taxes shouldn't vote either as they can be coerced into voting for a candidate who promises lower taxes!
The EU's stance against referendums and people having any sort of say just shows the true colour of the system and the people running it and how they simply view 99% of the population of it's so called member states as nothing more than tax slaves!
Take all the money and services away from a country, and what happens? No electricity, no banks or working bank machines, no gasoline, or transportation.
People start getting hungry pretty quick, and they will rightfully steal food, if they have to.
Shouldn't it be the "obligation" of the (nutritionally) wealthy to make food available for the hungry, more importantly, than the "right" of the hungry to have food?
Funny, our moneyed system relies on people, yet puts the money ahead of people.
I have fled the UK and its trafficking of slavery the government are attempting to drag me back to be put in prison I have had to appeal o the EU courts of human rights for justice after courts of administraion acting under colonial courts of admiralty act 1890 conviced me with no evidence
its really hard to talk about this stuff in conversations. espescially when they keep looking at the government for options and help. it just seems impossible to get everybody facing the same way. of course I like free speach, but it seams that with free speach everybody says, well then I don't have to listen. to anything. am I making any sense here?
yeah I started a discussion with an iraqi american. @ occypy amsterdam about what is wrong with society and stuff. so I followed your resoning that we need a new system. and he said it can't be or happen. and I held up your argument about when they abolished slavery everybody was saying you can't go without slaves bla. and he just answered me well slavery still isnt abolished. (of course I know that) but he completely torpedoed my conversation. need to practice eloquence I guess. was funny thoug
@landloper1986 It's like saying one cell organisms never existed after earth was formed, so it is likely that they don't exist and never will, while you are surrounded by life, LOL. But I agree with you on this - the current mindset of people will never produce freedom, ever, therefore the mindset will have to change for freedom to be ever possible.
Ok so we hear you "libertarians warned us". we are in this mess so what now? I love your rant but my main preoccupation today is to get myself a plumber....my tap is dripping, my toilet is overflowing and I am retired. I am going against the flow,,,,,all a bit late in the day but at least I am now my own woman. I have worked all my life to keep this system going. I have unfortunatley "brought up children to feed ruddy lions" and only more recently had time to reflect on it all.
@davyjames Sure I will because I love his tone and certainty...However I already take responsibility for my actions and recognise the reality of knowing what we do and what others do affects us all. I recognise the unfairness and the tragedy it was ever thus. But I am old enough to know some talk the talk others walk the walk. The hard bit is knowing which one is which. But perhaps I am talking rubbish.
F.K.N newz .. check it out.. nuestra mundo esta chingado.. .. thanks Stefan, as per, phenomanal. spelling direct result of inadrquite education.., bring out the Goat... thanks and regards. Loke
what bothered me a lot was that not just all european politicians said 'asking the greek people' was a terrible idea, also some fellow slaves found it ridiculous. One dutch politician claimed 'when 17 countries agreed on something, you can not have the referendum in 1 country stop it'. This implies a democracy by vote of rulers. One country one vote.
In the mean while continue to promote democracy in the middle east.
I'm hearing "crony capitalism" more and more. It is easy to interpret that as a pleonasm. It also implies cronyism has anything to do with capitalism, which we all know it hasn't.
@myusernameisluc "Crony capitalism" describes not the free market version of capitalism but the mixed system we live in today. I'm not a fan of the term either. A better word would just be corporatism, or fascism I believe.
I wouldn't even call it "mixed". Virtually all abuses in today's economy are caused directly or indirectly, by the public institution called "government".
the referendum was a false choice to manipulate Greeks into more austerity. Euro or Drachma is not the question. It was a media stunt
independence4wales 2 weeks ago
Stefan Molyneux practiced a lot. And the result is significant. I hope to get out of my dreadful situation with my shattered c.v. and high IQ. At least I do understand now what’s going on. The spark I need to step out of Babylon and finally being successful, is given by Stefan Molyneux, Great work, thank you.
TerrierBram 2 weeks ago
I'm a bit peeved that he said he used knowledge to judge intellect, with the "If you don't know that libertarians predicted this" - I'm 17 years old, I only know what little of Libertarian philosophy that I've learned in the past half a year, beofore that I was in public school, I just learned the term a year ago. I've always thought like a libertarian would think, but my knowledge starts and ends with Stefan here. And being judged to be not a thinker because of this. Doesn't sit right with me.
TheKab112 1 month ago
@TheKab112 That statement is not directed at 17 year olds. Especially ones that have had nothing but public schooling.
It is directed at those that DO have knowledge. For example, the one's that have been supporting social security for their entire careers.
jeffiek 2 weeks ago
So , Stefan hates being right well , he can relax here ..because hes wrong . Restrict democracy because people might have vested interests ? The mans a goofball ....
holographicsentience 1 month ago
@holographicsentience You're clearly not critically thinking if you think his goal is to "restrict democracy." Did you watch the whole video, or did you stop as soon as he talked about democracy?
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greenlocaleconomy 2 months ago
@nurbSoldier & @DecassyJake you guys should exchange phone numbers and argue there.
xxxxAXIxxxx 2 months ago
Stef is an anti-authoritarian- authoritarian...a religious athiest..preaching Randian trueisms...well at least he's not a scientologist..
DecassyJake 3 months ago
@DecassyJake How is Stefan authoritarian?
DoctorCapitalist 3 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist I should have qualified "authoritarian" as "intellectual authoritarian" ..in the mainstream science community....peer review boards censor opposing theories, or methodologies..Stef practices this in regard to the Bill Gaede interview I have posted below. It is only because Bill also has the rights to this vid..that I ever got to see it..! He really is "just a guy on the internet," If he ditches the frankly religious attempts at establishing "objective truth"..then we can talk!
DecassyJake 3 months ago
@DecassyJake attempts to understand objective reality is actually the opposite of 'religious attempts'. Otherwise scientists would be religious crackpots
nurbSoldier 3 months ago
@nurbSoldier Most mainstream science IS full of religious cracpots...there is no objective truth, only rational or irrational explanations for phenomena...check Bill Gaedes channel out.
DecassyJake 3 months ago
@DecassyJake a statement like 'NO objective truth' is a self detonating statement, as it makes a positive and certain claim about something.
nurbSoldier 3 months ago
@nurbSoldier "Objective truth" aint a THING-object-entity..sorry Nurb, I sank your phantom battleship..
DecassyJake 3 months ago
@DecassyJake there you go again, making positive, universal statements about why objectivity does not exist. I think you need to look up objectivity in the dictionary to see why you contradict yourself.
nurbSoldier 3 months ago
@nurbSoldier STRAWMANNING me doesn't work this time on me!YOU are making the claim that objectivity EXISTS dummy..objectivity is a CONCEPT. Now tell me how a CONCEPT exists...? If your def of EXIST includes CONCEPTS themselves--then the lepracorn in your BRAIN(you know-the one who makes all your decisions) is the SAME as a Lepracorn right in front of you...!
DecassyJake 3 months ago
@DecassyJake Strawmanning is a concept.
jeffiek 2 weeks ago
@DecassyJake which Bill Gaede channel? The one he pretends to be a scientist or the one where he's a 911 Truther? GWLaden watch?v=2Mj6POZ-XxY
justintempler 1 month ago
@justintempler Stef is certainly pretending to be a philosopher..really he's a talking head..sorta philosopher. Should really be a politician..nothing wrong with having opinions tho..!
DecassyJake 1 month ago
@DecassyJake Offerings us your opinion about Stef, wasn't the topic of discussion but I can see you might have difficulty deciding which Gaede channel to send people to. The one where he talks how 911 was an inside job or the one where he says the reason people are gay is because the ropes inside their head are turning in the wrong direction.
justintempler 1 month ago
spinabland?
Grashopa99 3 months ago
@panpiper..the maths axiom you have stated is rule based circular thinking..like saying "the sky is blue so the sky is blue"..This has nothing to do with explaining reality for the Greeks or for anybody else..
DecassyJake 3 months ago
youtube.com/watch?v=Twx7xjgRTuw ..catch this for a response to Stef's claim to follow the scientific method...in order to establish TRUTH. Fill out the first bit yourself..as YT won't let me type the whole address.
DecassyJake 3 months ago
People vote for the politician that promises the most free stuff. What they get is higher taxes, class warfare and debt. Oh yea, the free market is blamed for it all.
Solverwiz 3 months ago 2
Defying the society? The culture? Experiencing the brutal defense mechanisms of the popular lie?
Damn it, I know what you speak of.
Any minute, some police unit could knock on/kick down my door, kidnap me and jail me up for up to 20 (in words: twenty!) years for a simple "crime of opinion", all absolutely legal according to my states laws.
What fucking dictatorship I live in? Well, Austria.
That's right, middle of Europe and the state tells us what we're allowed to think and what not.
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ENTERRAPTURE20 4 months ago
Hi Stef - I wonder if you could consider a counter-proposal to the notion that "we can't progress until its admitted/acknowledged that liberterians have had correct advice for a long time". Instead, I've seen that such acknowledgment rarely happens. Rather, "progress" seems to follow the correct position arising from some other source, with a new name, and concensus forming that "the answer" has finally arrived as the "new" position. To me, this seems to be a dysfunction of "popular rule".
mattsamudio 4 months ago
Moral of the story: poor people shouldn't have a say.
madhillick 4 months ago
@madhillick ... "poor people shouldn't have a say" ... a say in what ? Perhaps the more profound statement would be "there shouldn't be anything for anyone to have a say in" ... who gets a say in how everyone is to be controlled seems rather irrelevant in light of the fact that the control shouldn't exist to begin with.
mattsamudio 4 months ago
@mattsamudio A say in what happens in their lives. At one point Stef sounded to me that he was blaming economic disaster on the fact that people who have very little money still get to cast a vote on economic policies, rather than criticising the people at the top who caused the problems.
madhillick 4 months ago
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The proposed bailout is not of Greece. The Greek people would not see any of the money. The bailout is of the bankers, who engage in speculation.
4teepee 4 months ago
@turbofritz2 Stefan is an anarchist, he doesn't vote. Not for Ron Paul, not for anybody. Look around his channel, he has multiple videos on this.
Shakleton42 4 months ago
@Shakleton42 Stef is a cultural commentator..and I'm afraid he has no more claim on the truth than anybody else.
DecassyJake 4 months ago
@DecassyJake ... to support that claim (that Stef has no more claim on the truth than anyone else), you first have to come to some assessment of what a "claim on the truth" involves, and then show that Stef doesn't better hold such than someone else. I think that a reasonable measure of "claim on the truth" is soundness of logic combined with acceptability of premises, and in that regard Stef compares very favorably to others.
mattsamudio 4 months ago
@mattsamudio If you define "the truth" as perfect, complete knowledge about how X works, then it is impossible for anyone to claim that they know that, because we have limited knowledge. You can say that a person's arguments have more evidence or merit than others, and that they may be moving closer to the truth...but that is very different from having a claim on the final truth. A good analogy is the scientific method - they don't make claims on the truth, instead they refine their theories.
radscorpion8 4 months ago
@radscorpion8 ... yes, you're (mostly) correct - though the original statement was made relative to others and my answer was likewise relative to others, as evidenced by "in that regard Stef compares very favorably to others". With that said, there is still more that could be debated in terms of semantics around phrases like "truth", "THE truth", "absolute truth", etc ... it certainly wasn't my intention to open that up :)
mattsamudio 4 months ago
@mattsamudio Yes but relative to others about *what*? I was just following your formula - you said one needed to assess what a "claim on the truth" involves, and then show why Stef's doesn't hold better than others. But you answered the latter without defining the former. I tried to show that by defining the former, comparisons are impossible because no one has a "claim on the truth", thus validating Decassy's statement. The statement isn't about who's better - its a call to keep an open mind :)
radscorpion8 4 months ago
@mattsamudio "a claim on THE truth"....is a religious statement..he has a possibly rational OPINION.."truth" according to Stef is based on "objective truth" a complete contradiction in terms!
DecassyJake 4 months ago
Do you know Jeffersonians prodicted this long ago by its founder Thomas Jefferson?
Edgrot 4 months ago
In the UK, my cousin is disabled, well he was born with weak foot muscles. So he gets tired walking, but he is completely normal and perfectly able bodied. Yet since he was 16 he is entitled to a brand new car, not just a standard car, he can chose what ever car he wants. Currently he has a BMW coupe. The car can be traded in every 3 years for a newer model, he doesnt pay road tax etc... It annoys me so much.
lawes84 4 months ago
EU plan constitutes no credit event for CDSs, Papa walks along the leash of the megabanks again as they perceive a Greek default being unhedged as better than a 50% haircut without being hedged with CDSs.
wreagfe 4 months ago
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@wreagfe I meant: as they perceive a Greek default being *hedged* as better than a 50% haircut being unhedged with CDSs.
NB: b/c this EU does not constitute a credit event for CDSs, the CDS is basically dead and CDSs worthless. Sucks being BofA with 70 trillion of unhedged liabilities, no? :)
wreagfe 4 months ago
Culture is what Stef creates..culture is false..so Stef is.....well you see where that logic gets you..!
DecassyJake 4 months ago
@DecassyJake sorry, what?
spol07 4 months ago
@spol07 Pardon..?
DecassyJake 4 months ago
It's very disheartening to know that most of the worlds population only want to exists on a very low brain function, Not wanting to educate themselves, not wanting to push their own species further in evolution. As with ancient Greece I feel we will disappear into another 3000 year dark age. Knowledge has died many times, We could be so much more, Man's Greed has always been the problem, But then Greed is a natural part of biology, which gives ultimate in survival. At the expense of the masses.
Lisa281977 4 months ago 7
@Lisa281977 Greed can be a good thing you know. It can give people incentive to innovate and produce to achieve the means of their own self-interest. It can also lead to violence and theft.
DoctorCapitalist 3 months ago
@Lisa281977 I dont see greed as a problem. I see violence as a problem. Especially when its combined with greed. One is not part of human nature
fergus247 3 months ago
@stefbot So is it all free spirit anarchy no laws at all ?
465160 4 months ago
It'd be nice if statists actually admitted to this, but since they're violent liars, they don't feel obligated. What they will do you see, is say that they've ALSO predicted this (of course that's BS) and that it was caused by capitalism and unregulated markets. They'll only rethink this over once they're presented with the choice "Stupid dead ideology or......food."
StrafingMoose 4 months ago
nice vid, will the Grecian "shears" wake the sheep?
th86stone 4 months ago
and they won't listen, Stefan. Not yet...
YJohannM 4 months ago
Sorry but this is what happens when a journalist is naive to Supply and Demand.
They think they are so special for going against social norms, and thinking different :o. They are SO SPECIAL.
8:10 the real reason. There is little or no Demand - thus there is no Supply given for it.
Human nature is not that complicated - only the the retarded elite that overthink the simplest of explanations.
jabberwolf 4 months ago
Out of all the people I've tried to tell about the logical consequences of things over the years, not one has come up to me and said "You were right". (A few has stopped calling me crazy and mocking me though....) Not that I care per se, it's not "me" that is right, it the methodology. What is true is true regardless of me. But I would really wish that they'd get that it's anarchism/libertarianism that is right so we can prevent disasters in the future.
Zerafinel 4 months ago
...thank you for putting into words what we go through... try to buck the current, then come tell me we are free. The ones who say we are free, are the ones who've never even approached the electrical fence.
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Zerafinel 4 months ago
Nice 1 Stef, Yep its time we ALL took our share of responanility, we are to blame for todays trash!
jamesjjjspike 4 months ago
Milton Friedman warned us too..
ApocDevTeam 4 months ago
i dislike your use of the word "nintendo" in a negative context.
1schwererziehbar1 4 months ago
@1schwererziehbar1 give me a friggin break..
spyletu 4 months ago
How is it differant than Conservitism ?
inabluemoon1 4 months ago
@inabluemoon1 Nothing different with Conservitism except it has been Wrong all the time and had much more of oligarchy financial support.
qedisk 4 months ago
@qedisk More support than Libertarism . Wrong how ?
inabluemoon1 4 months ago
@inabluemoon1 Wrong this way: postimage org image v7tgzi5nr
qedisk 4 months ago
@qedisk Is that suposed to be a website ?
inabluemoon1 4 months ago
@inabluemoon1 No. An image I advice you to look at. And do not be lazy.
qedisk 4 months ago
@qedisk I guess I fail then . I tried with what you gave me my broweser didnt find it . Can you be more specific
inabluemoon1 4 months ago
@inabluemoon1 Just put dot, slash, slash in order where are spaces in the text "postimage org image v7tgzi5nr" :). Maybe would also be necessary.
qedisk 4 months ago
@qedisk connection error
inabluemoon1 4 months ago
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@inabluemoon1 For me it works.
qedisk 4 months ago
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inabluemoon1 4 months ago
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"It's all nonsense"
WalridgeWalrus 4 months ago
hey stef,
You mentioned that "we don't need jails." I am very interested in this...which of your books should I read?
noudo25 4 months ago
Best video in a while, Stef. I love it when you let loose like this.
baggytheo 4 months ago
Real democracy and capitalism only compete they cant work together..........greece needs to plug the plug on the euro and hope the bullying when it starts is wasted on them.
surfin4 4 months ago
@surfin4 Good, democracy can go in the bin. It's just another form of statism.
Moragauth 4 months ago
The thing is, so many already have an answer ready for the problems we see today, an answer that fits snugly with the narratives they run on -namely, that capitalism has failed. So no Stefan, people will never admit libertarians were right.
TotalAnomy 4 months ago
@TotalAnomy Michael Medved labels libertarians as losertarians. However, he fails to realised that the two major political parties put policies in place. That take more of your property, and liberties. More regulations, the constant support for public schools(Indoctrination) More wars and fraud. There are many abuses they cause, libertarians could point that out, like counting petals on a dandelion flower.
popcur 4 months ago
1 million dead, 2 million maned, 700k windows, 5 million orphans... a hand full of stories. I would love to hear about the stories of the men gunned down in the Wikileaks video.
btigtime2 4 months ago
The other problem is can you count on people who get no benefits of legislation to vote for the benefits of others, really. Ben Franklin said it best. "A democracy will fail when the masses realize they can vote the money directly out of the treasury" I believe Government has one role, Equal Justice. Leave the socialism to Society.
btigtime2 4 months ago
a very wise man, thanks
MrResisting 4 months ago
@stefbot
You don't have a personal agenda when you vote?
Presumably you're going to vote for the politician that is best suited to serve your interests, just like everyone else will, including those receiving benefits.
Should YOU be disqualified if you're voting for selfish, self-serving reasons and not for what's best for the collective?
Furthermore, who then determines which voter is legitimate? Everything is subjective...
Zonkerino 4 months ago
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@Zonkerino Best if no one is allowed to vote or rule.
Moragauth 4 months ago
@Zonkerino Nothing guarantees that the person you voted for will accomplish any of the things he promised to do so the whole system is stupid anyway. The whole thing is a sick perverse joke.
HigherPlanes 4 months ago
@Zonkerino "who then determines which voter is legitimate"
That's easy. No one is.
jeffiek 4 months ago
@Zonkerino Stefan is an anarchist, he doesn't vote.
Zedonius666 4 months ago
Prostitute your children with the govern mental euro or change and learn to survive and self support through community service not lip service. Show your children.
GovernMentalFreedom 4 months ago
Yup, it's not easy being green.
gsszuber 4 months ago
No matter what happens, they will never admit that they were wrong, let alone admitting that we are right
THINKfutureShow 4 months ago
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Very few people understand the real issue with the Greek monetary and revenue system, and NO politician is saying it. the Greek Govt, is run and operated by their version of the mafia, or mob , and that is 100% true. the Greek govt let them fucking well do it, so let them loose to sink or swim on their own. THEN, create a new euro dollar with a realistic rather than idealistic entry requirement for all the countries in Europe.
iqmygift2u 4 months ago
Get into politics Stef..your use of the term "truth" in philosophy+science is bogus, BUT...In the political context "truth" it is'nt absilutist..it's just a reasonably rational explanation for why the state should be wound down. Sure the State can be LIKE the mafia..but it is different enought from that esteemed criminal organisation..you can garner support..it needs dismantelling..and who better than the Libertarians..can do that?
DecassyJake 4 months ago
@DecassyJake Stefan has addressed this numerous times. Can you reform the mafia (for instance) to turn it into a benevolent, non-criminal organization by joining it and changing it from the inside? Any government that taxes or passes laws is unethical, period, end stop. Getting into politics is effectively joining with evil (that being Stefan's perspective as I see it anyway).
Panpiper 4 months ago 5
@Panpiper i disagree and i think ron paul is a great example of that. of course you will have more counter arguments to this statement i make, but i'm not gonna go through the pain of debating this with 500 character limits. anyhow my point is stefan is doing more than his fair share with the grassroots/teaching work he has been doing. whether he participates in politics or not would be a minor point compared to his main work. for the rest of you guys however. i think context is important.
spyletu 4 months ago in playlist More videos from stefbot
@spyletu Ron Paul serves a different function than Stefan. Stefan is a philosopher trying to educate people to fundamental truths; Ron Paul is a pied piper, bringing the masses to the point where they can listen and understand someone like Stefan. For Stefan to do Ron Paul's job would be as absurd as for Ron Paul to do Stefan's. They are different jobs, different functions. Running for office is not the only way to achieve change, and in Stefan's opinion, it is not even an effective way.
Panpiper 4 months ago 17
@Panpiper Thats right. I would guess that Steffan would vote for Ron Paul withour being too sure.
But Steffan and Ron Paul togheter compliment each other and work for common causes.
turbofritz2 4 months ago
@Panpiper .."fundamental TRUTHS"..? HUH??.....come guys, that be church talk fellas!
DecassyJake 3 months ago
@DecassyJake I can excuse that of Ron Paul because he does not claim to use the scientific method..Stef does..so he is SO FAIR GAME for getting called on his FUNDAMENTALIST perspective..I'm with him on so many issues politically..but he denies being political, denies the realistic assessment of his work being a part of the culture which bred him..he has no more handle on the truth than any other individual who reads the funnnies on the weekend!
DecassyJake 3 months ago
@DecassyJake assertion
nurbSoldier 3 months ago
@DecassyJake Religion likes to preach what they claim to be truth, and I have no doubt that's where you've heard the words 'fundamental truth' more often. But that does NOT mean that those words 'belong' to theology. Philosophy is the domain of truth, to the extent that truth be attainable. Religion is the domain of nonsense, that simply pretends to be truth.
Do you doubt that there is such a thing as truth?
Panpiper 3 months ago
@Panpiper YES..truth is a CONCEPT..not an object..Stef mixes up a statement of the facts...with his own opinion which he calls the truth, Check the link I posted where Stef get's called on his mis-understanding of the Scientific Method....
DecassyJake 3 months ago
@DecassyJake So, the addition of two integers, each of a value of one, results in a value of two; that is simply an 'opinion'? It is not, it is a fact, it is truth. "Human beings act" is a truth. The structure of logic, is a truth. If one starts with facts that are true, it is quite possible to derive other truths through the medium of logic. The truths derived thereby are not simply, opinion.
If you disagree, I summarily dismiss your disagreement as simply being your opinion.
Panpiper 3 months ago
@DecassyJake wrong. scientists and others use it too, even if they did not, it would still be a valid term
nurbSoldier 3 months ago
@nurbSoldier Yes it's such a common term that Religious people of every stripe use it too...valid is YOUR OPINION..i.e TRUTH.
DecassyJake 3 months ago
@Panpiper It has taken over 30 years for Ron Paul to get Austrian economics some attention in the U.S..whether he gets in or not, that is an achievement..It has shown is possible to run on a roll back the state platform..it's easy to comment from a distance..to preach non involvement in any and all political activities..I think you are right the gov-ITSELF(i.e all the people inside the gov complex) can't reform the STATE. The people who voteOUTSIDE the STATE- CAN and must know of an alternative.
DecassyJake 4 months ago
@Panpiper You can't can't change people..if they believe voting for administrations of some sort or other that is what they will do..what..? We have to wait till those people DIE before we start the process of state dis-mantling..? Stef's way is a kind of ideological purity..divorced from reality..engage I say..face off..put something on the line for LIBERTY..the mafia truly is an OFFSHOOT of absurd state policy...get policy changed...
DecassyJake 4 months ago
@Panpiper Evil is YOUR opinion...calling somebody EVIL..is a knee jerk reaction, a stupid short-cut to understanding.
DecassyJake 4 months ago
@DecassyJake So rather than campaign to 'end' slavery, giving slavery (the state) no quarter, Stefan should get involved in politics so he can instead beg the masters (the state) to not whip the slaves so much. The state, to the extent it exists, is in fact evil. For Stefan to point that out while simultaneously running for office in the state would expose him rightfully to the charge of hypocrisy.
Panpiper 4 months ago
@Panpiper The State don't exist..policy has "evil" implications..simply calling the state evil is hysterical..it's a rhetorical device used by a demogogue!
DecassyJake 4 months ago
@DecassyJake Voting is fixed, the last 3 Presidential elections were manipulated as are key Congressional seats. Anyone in politics is there because they are approved by the elite, and that goes for Ron Paul too. The corruption is too deep to fix with political solutions. Your best bet is to get out of the system as much as possible, and if/when we get enough people we organize a strike and for everyone to stop paying taxes. Voting is just more statism.
BigCavone75 4 months ago
I'd love to be a Fly on the Wall when they heard, he didn't buy it !!!!
I'll take the deal behind curtain number 3 thanks Bob
No wait, I'll take door number 1
No wait, I'll take the suitcase
On second thought, I'm outta here and going home, I don't want to play Ponzi anymore.
JPMorganMustDie 4 months ago
@stefbot I wonder if a video showing libertarian clips and quotes demonstrating these kinds of predictions juxtaposed with clips and statistics about the modern democratic world would be helpful. Could be a powerful video. Thanks for this one!
dingerness 4 months ago
@dingerness A great project for others perhaps, but I don't think it is something 'Stefan' should do. I am not sure it would have the same power as a 'Peter Schiff was Right" video. Peter's video was one person in a short period of time making rather specific, near term predictions, which makes it starkly powerful. Various libertarians making general predictions over a long period of time would be nowhere near as powerful unless extremely well done.
Panpiper 4 months ago
Papandreou is famous in Hellas for being a professional broker taking orders from the big multinational bankers and companies. Many of the "loud" announcements he makes are motivated by his bosses. Greece has always been a colony of the west since the first day of its independence in 1821... so when you hear stuff about Greece concerning its political system you must be very cautious......
oorgah 4 months ago
Am I the only one who doesn't give a flying fark anymore what is going on in Greece, or the EU, or democracy, or anything to do with political and social events? Who cares if the idiot who throws himself off a cliff doesn't acknowledge that we told him he'd fall down? He's dead.
ProjectFreeSelf 4 months ago
@ProjectFreeSelf Yeah, but we're tied by a rope to the idiots
CheekyMonkey888 4 months ago 4
omg steph your so right, i never thought about it that way, its so bias
splifsend 4 months ago
302 views? yeah right youtube
SuricataSol 4 months ago
They never admit defeat. They will admit pyrrhic victory.
deadman12078 4 months ago
Stef, you are absolutely correct. No one acknowledges that they were warned. This alone proves they (the mainstream intellectual molders of the world) are dishonest. In 2008 when the financial crisis happened, I knew absolutely nothing about economics but was interested to learn. Right from the beginning, I asked myself what school of thought was successful most often in predicting economic crises, and so discovered the Austrians. I wanted, unlike many others, out there, to learn the truth.
IvanTheHeathen 4 months ago
@IvanTheHeathen It is small wonder. The vast majority of voters persist in being surprised when the politicians they elect don't fulfill their campaign promises, despite the fact that virtually all politicians lie all the time (albeit usually with half truths and obfuscations). Diverging... It is for instance a standard tact of any professional politician to never answer a direct question. They instead answer with the closest analogue to a question they 'want' to answer.
Panpiper 4 months ago
Something that has always tried to question is if by applying the non aggression principle and say a violent crime is committed against you. How is the aggressor taken care of or punished? Lets face it as a peaceful society it could be someone will throw a monkey into the wrench.
Biosynthnut 4 months ago
@Biosynthnut The non-aggression principle is the non 'initiation' of force. If you are defending yourself from aggression, you did not 'initiate' the force, even though you may be using force in self defense. Just what form a future society would take to deal with such initiations of aggression by criminals is a purely academic discussion that is of little relevance to the fundamental truth, that the initiation of force is wrong, period, end stop.
Panpiper 4 months ago
The incoherence of the idea of a "felon" needs to be addressed in an outright and brutal fashion, as well. In the US you lose your "right" to vote, your right to bear arms, etc, if you have been convicted and sentenced as a felon. The mythos that you've "paid your debt to society" is simply a crock of s**t, if you haven't regained your "rights." Yet, this fiction abounds, in addition to all the fees, continued social/legal scrutiny, etc. A "felon" never finishes his "payment" to "society."
hartforest 4 months ago
@hartforest thats part of commiting crimes.....hence think before you act
urinfamousr79 4 months ago
@urinfamousr79 No. It's part of an incoherent doctrine of having "paid back society." You either have paid or you have not. If the doctrine weren't simply a matter of finely-woven chicanery it would be honest and say: "For your crimes, you will never be able to pay back 'society.'" As it stands, "felons" have little to lose in terms of incentive since they can never reach the end of their payment within their lifetime.
And, let's not even broach the idea of "correctional" institutions...
hartforest 4 months ago
@hartforest hence think before you commit a felony. people reap what they sow. if they dont like what they reap then sow something diferent.
urinfamousr79 4 months ago
@hartforest I got caught with a used hash pipe when I was 18. I am now 52 years old and will be punished no doubt till the end of my days for that terrible crime. If I am questioned by the police for any reason whatsoever, I linger under a presumption of guilt rather then the supposed presumption of innocence. There are all manners of things I am not allowed to do ranging from travel restrictions, jobs I can hold, licensees I can get, things I can own, etc..
Panpiper 4 months ago
"Hurling our flaming thunderbolty rocks of truth"
Right there is one of the reasons I listen to you, Stef. Improvisation!
CurtHowland 4 months ago
One of your BEST videos, Stefan.
fndngnvrlnd 4 months ago 21
Firstly the euro bail out is a default on the debt.It's essentially pardoning close to 100 billions.A Default by the back door.
Secondly.Why is he pushing for a referendum? Well there plenty of reasons and plenty of explanations.
One is probably to make the people co-responsible for the austerity measures
and reduce social frictions.
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AmetReloads 4 months ago
@AmetReloads
... Another , cause his party is polling single digit numbers making both his government, and the "plan" future questionable if his government collapse and a new government comes in.
Another, cause he is facing a with in his party rebellion.
Your historical references luck historical representativeness too.
Voting rights weren't expanded in spite political wisdom, they were expanded because of political wisdom.
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AmetReloads 4 months ago
@AmetReloads ...
A participatory democracy reduces conflicts, and of course the big 19th/early 20th century question is how to prevent revolutions from occurring, which seemed imminent across European countries.
Expanded voting rights make the social issues a priority, "social contracts" addressed them , socio-economical conflicts were reduced and political stability gave birth to the modern liberal democratic system.
AmetReloads 4 months ago
Your story about Greece population not being able to vote for a decision like this surprised me. Who IS in your eyes objective enough? The banks? Nah, they don't look at income, they look at bonuses. The government? Nah, that's more about stature and careers. The corporations? Nah, they're interested in competitive advantage, not the greater good of all. So who in your opinion is really able to make the decision about Greece?
alphabert77 4 months ago
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@alphabert77 there is no such thing as Greece...
MrDemonshalo 4 months ago
@alphabert77 That is a good argument for a stateless society: preventing people from looting each other.
andrewldexter 4 months ago 4
@alphabert77 The basic point is that individuals have a right to make choices for themselves, and that is the end of it. No individual or group of individuals has the right to force choices upon anyone else.
Panpiper 4 months ago
It is disgusting to see how exited you are about the crises and people suffering. You talk like the greeks are the victims, no they aren´t, greeks did a lot of bookholding fraud to get in the EU.
erdal0 4 months ago
@erdal0 Greeks did? Their governments did. Enormous difference.
grumpone 4 months ago
@erdal0
The Greek people were completely in the dark about the "book-holding fraud" with both the two main political parties being in on this conspiracy for 11 years with the overseas banks , There was no public disclosure until the banks blew the lid on it after the global banking crisis forced them too. key board warrior , How brave of you to talkshit about Greeks while hiding behind internet anonymity!
Obasiliasfilosofos 4 months ago
@Obasiliasfilosofos doesnt matter, it is greece mistake, gayreeks have to pay their debt back. they werent complaining when using other peoples money werent they? One way or another way greeks will have to suffer if they dont want to be expeled from europe
erdal0 4 months ago
@erdal0
your post-communist shit hole of a country is not even in the eurozone.. Pidhi një tuaj
Obasiliasfilosofos 4 months ago
@Obasiliasfilosofos I´m not albanese, you moron.
erdal0 4 months ago
@erdal0
No, Your a baboon who can read Shqiptarët then!
You're insensitive prick & very callous towards the human tragedy afflicting my loved ones in Greece, Where does this hate of yours come from then ? if its just the eurozone-credit bullshit then why aren't you banging on about Italy,Spain,Portugal,Ireland who had made their own deficit cloaking deals?
Obasiliasfilosofos 4 months ago
@erdal0 The shareholders of the major banking outfits took a risk when they put their money in institutions heavily invested in sovereign debt - all junk debt with golden ratings, mostly. Well Greece excluded. No one owes these people anything. Certainly not the Greek taxpayers who may have only had very limited influence as to whether they'd incur this debt to begin with.
Moragauth 4 months ago
The social decay and mindless consumer life is terrible for the majority but isn’t this just dandy for the wealthy reclining on private islands skipping across prole skin rugs. This surely is planned – mass social upheaval perhaps more wars to kill several billion useless eaters off while the wealthy play their real time war games. Is it simply an evolutionary glitch that Psychopaths have been in charge for so long?
ehpl 4 months ago
@ehpl No it isn't. Most people are lazy, ignorant slobs who gladly have someone else think, act and work for them - that is why they always like to give power away to someone else to "take care of them" like mommy did, but of course he never does, just takes advantage of them - it's so predictable.
grumpone 4 months ago
You can't argue people who on benefits can't vote as you might as well say anyone who pays taxes shouldn't vote either as they can be coerced into voting for a candidate who promises lower taxes!
The EU's stance against referendums and people having any sort of say just shows the true colour of the system and the people running it and how they simply view 99% of the population of it's so called member states as nothing more than tax slaves!
fredflint75 4 months ago 3
Take all the money and services away from a country, and what happens? No electricity, no banks or working bank machines, no gasoline, or transportation.
People start getting hungry pretty quick, and they will rightfully steal food, if they have to.
Shouldn't it be the "obligation" of the (nutritionally) wealthy to make food available for the hungry, more importantly, than the "right" of the hungry to have food?
Funny, our moneyed system relies on people, yet puts the money ahead of people.
rongrite 4 months ago
I have fled the UK and its trafficking of slavery the government are attempting to drag me back to be put in prison I have had to appeal o the EU courts of human rights for justice after courts of administraion acting under colonial courts of admiralty act 1890 conviced me with no evidence
edtheball69 4 months ago
@edtheball69 How awful. Could you do a vid on that or would it be too exposing?
rockstarofredondo 4 months ago
@rockstarofredondo
I will do when I get time for now im working in a non EU country away from the clutches of the colonial crusaders.
edtheball69 4 months ago
lol, the first part of the title is wrong - there is no chance of entering the path of reason for Greece
saldownik 4 months ago
its really hard to talk about this stuff in conversations. espescially when they keep looking at the government for options and help. it just seems impossible to get everybody facing the same way. of course I like free speach, but it seams that with free speach everybody says, well then I don't have to listen. to anything. am I making any sense here?
landloper1986 4 months ago
yeah I started a discussion with an iraqi american. @ occypy amsterdam about what is wrong with society and stuff. so I followed your resoning that we need a new system. and he said it can't be or happen. and I held up your argument about when they abolished slavery everybody was saying you can't go without slaves bla. and he just answered me well slavery still isnt abolished. (of course I know that) but he completely torpedoed my conversation. need to practice eloquence I guess. was funny thoug
landloper1986 4 months ago
@landloper1986 It's like saying one cell organisms never existed after earth was formed, so it is likely that they don't exist and never will, while you are surrounded by life, LOL. But I agree with you on this - the current mindset of people will never produce freedom, ever, therefore the mindset will have to change for freedom to be ever possible.
grumpone 4 months ago
Ok so we hear you "libertarians warned us". we are in this mess so what now? I love your rant but my main preoccupation today is to get myself a plumber....my tap is dripping, my toilet is overflowing and I am retired. I am going against the flow,,,,,all a bit late in the day but at least I am now my own woman. I have worked all my life to keep this system going. I have unfortunatley "brought up children to feed ruddy lions" and only more recently had time to reflect on it all.
Cardywhite111 4 months ago 2
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davyjames 4 months ago
@davyjames Sure I will because I love his tone and certainty...However I already take responsibility for my actions and recognise the reality of knowing what we do and what others do affects us all. I recognise the unfairness and the tragedy it was ever thus. But I am old enough to know some talk the talk others walk the walk. The hard bit is knowing which one is which. But perhaps I am talking rubbish.
Cardywhite111 4 months ago
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lucaso345 4 months ago
what bothered me a lot was that not just all european politicians said 'asking the greek people' was a terrible idea, also some fellow slaves found it ridiculous. One dutch politician claimed 'when 17 countries agreed on something, you can not have the referendum in 1 country stop it'. This implies a democracy by vote of rulers. One country one vote.
In the mean while continue to promote democracy in the middle east.
modelmark 4 months ago
I'm hearing "crony capitalism" more and more. It is easy to interpret that as a pleonasm. It also implies cronyism has anything to do with capitalism, which we all know it hasn't.
myusernameisluc 4 months ago
@myusernameisluc "Crony capitalism" describes not the free market version of capitalism but the mixed system we live in today. I'm not a fan of the term either. A better word would just be corporatism, or fascism I believe.
JakkaLakkaDingDing 4 months ago
@JakkaLakkaDingDing
I wouldn't even call it "mixed". Virtually all abuses in today's economy are caused directly or indirectly, by the public institution called "government".
myusernameisluc 4 months ago