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  • oh my god the guy fom melbourn you dont no how stupid ur case is the fact is you have none u and all of ur colluges are just afraid of change and u no what i truly feel sorry for all of u

  • oh and one more thing isnt it funny how the people who are fighten against R18 dont even play video games

  • i have 3 kids one who has turned 18 he has played video games all of his life and has gotten into fights with other kids but that has nothing to do with video games its just a boy blowing off steam and i think that game are a good way to do that as way isnt it better for a kid to fight and battle in a game than on the street. and to all of u OH THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN people im not saying im the perfect father but for god sake what are u doing letting ur kids play game they arnt ready for hmm?

  • these fuckheads dont get it.

    its the designer's job to make the games.

    its the censor's job to classify them.

    its the PARENT'S job to make sure kids dont play them

  • The people That play the R18+ Games dont have time to go out and kill and abuse people they would be more worried about playing games

  • WTF!!! they are saying that people who play violent video games are the people causing violence in the streets!! what a load of shit!! people who are causing violence in the streets are people who grew up with abusive families and are used to it!

  • god damn that guy with hair is a dickhead........i can't even listen to him anymore, i'm going to go play Killzone 3, stab some dickhead (david) in the eye.

  • I think if you switched this argument on it's head, we live in a violent society. But how many video game players are participating in this violence. This is something that is hard to look at, but from my school experience, I hung out with the "gamers" at least most of my friends played video games several times a week if not everyday. I wouldn't class any of them as violent students, however I couldn't say the same about the footy jocks with too much testosterone!

  • LOL sex violence 1 WORD ASS HOLES GOD OF WAR

  • im leaving the country...

  • R18+ is needed

    MFW i haven't hired or bought s single movie in years

    XD

    so who cares.

  • FUCK UP JEFF U FUCKIN Faggot!!

  • So, sure, R18 games could damage children... but remind me; Who's gonna buy them for kids? Parents? Really?

    It's easy; make R18 games like Every Other adult-orientated things; Just make sure an ID is required to buy it, like all R18 movies, alcohol, cigarettes etc. That combined with mandatory parental controls for consoles set for the youngest kid in family and give the code to people 18 or older. Done; everyone is safe and adults get the games they deserve :)

  • Reckon the bald dude has got it right. It looks like the other dude thinks that R rated games are available for everyone… not the case. An R18+ game would be restricted from people who are under 18 and fines would be given out if so. Australian government, stop trying to parent other peoples children, it's not your responsibility!

  • ban r rated movies then

  • LMAO the dude from Melbourne is absolutely fucking retarded! He know nothing of the issue.

  • we just need all these old political advocates to die off then as people that have grown up with video games come into politics the policy will pass.

  • R18+ RESTRICTED TO ADULTS 18 YEARS AND OVER.

  • Its easy to tell the top guy is a reseach professor and the bottom guy is a politican.

  • How are these people experts?? Ask fucken gamers. not douchebags that just hate games in general

  • HOW HUGE IS THAT GUY'S FUCKING HEAD?!??!

  • omg how does such a moron become a QC???

  • oh i wanna hear about nicole kidman

  • the guy from melbourne is talking shit

  • Lets completely "rid the world of violence".lets all suck each others cocks to solve problems and have a whinge to ur mum next time a bunch of dickheads bumfuck ur cat with fireworks

    humans have been fucking violent since the dawn of time, because we are all different, and we will inevitiably clash. You wont rid the world of violence and nor do I think the world would be any good with it that way. my god, the world is full of pussies like that david cokhole. wish i could punch him, violently.

  • the only thing that makes me violent is the fact i can't fucking vent it in a VIDEO GAME because of 1 cockhead's fucking decision. fuck sake people get your fucking shit together.

  • Name one time video games killed people? Now then name how many times government's and people in high office got people killed?

  • Quest: Does it make you more violent?

    Answer from Melbourne guy: We now cigarettes influence behavior so why would violent video games influence behavior? (of course he is trying to imply that they cause violence behavior when he has no facts)

    What an amazingly idiotic non sequitur response.

  • Rephrased response:

    Paraphrased question from journalist: Do these games make people more violent?

    Paraphrased answer from Melbourne guy: we know cigarette ads influence behavior and pornography affects behavior. Behavior affects behavior, so why wouldn't video games affect behavior?

    WTF!?!? He completely dodged the question with a bunch of generic nonsense and he is trying to use non sequitur to seem as if he did answer the question. This "logic" could as well be used to ban religion.

  • fucking old people, that guy has probably never played a game in his life

  • so who won? was it atkinson?

  • they should grow up and introduce r18 games

  • this cunts a yank fuck off u bold cocksucker

  • @AlienFirefox Wow. Just wow.

  • i got no time for bullshit

  • @AlienFirefox Sorry for taking up your obviously precious time, but I'm an Australian and I find your comments to be of a completely ignorant nature, giving Australians a bad name. So what if he's American? He still had offered a valid opinion.

  • michael atkinson is a moron

    im 24 years old and have the right to buy a game and play it in its full glory

    i dont want some cut bullshit

    you know what censoring a game does

    it destroys a companys hard work it takes years to make a game and it provokes piracy and it causes people like me to buy games overseas like from britain which damages australian gaming industries. and then since there is no r rated games it gives cchildren access to the ma-15+ games and alot love mw2 are completely uncut.

  • an r rating would give adults the freedom of choice and give children protection from violent games

    i believe an r rating in video games would help solve the problems of children getting a hold of violent video games and give the people they where made for there right to freedom of choice.

    im 24 and i enjoy a good game and generally the genre i play is very violent if your stupid enough to think a bunch of animated violence and pixels is violent at all.

  • in the words of Agent Smith

    "Goodbye, Mr Atkinson!"

  • if kids are being violent because of playing violent games then surly there parents are the cause for buying them these games how can u say that an 18+ year old cant play or watch 18+ game/movie. if a kid is bought an 18+ game for his/her birthday by there parents then the parents are at fault for showing these kids this content i for one love playing these games and watching these films and think that if the parents think that there kids can play these games then its there fault if they do bad

  • @gsting2 exactly, an r18+ movie would almost certainly be porn, so what parent in their right mind would let their child play an r18+ game?

  • This is a bit of a tight debate, but I agree with the points made by most of the gaming community. If there is an R 18+ in place, it would be more consistant with, say, films and will allow a better distingush between game content.

    I understand the points made by the SA Attorny General, but is censorship really necessary? No parent would be stupid enough to allow their child to purchase a game if they deem it too violent.

    Its not about violence, its about mindset and attitude to violence...

  • But i thought "Videos" already have an R18+? THIS IS CONFUSING!!!

  • we have the freedom to join the military as adults and go kill people for real but u cant play violent games with fake killing? hahaha stupid government, it;s ok if u kill for us but u cant pretend to kill. what about banning toy guns and stuff too then?

  • By his logic then anyone of these hollywood writers who thought up SAW storylines and traps and endless gore and extreme violence and rape and disgusting movie ideas... then that would make them the most violent disturbed humans on the planet!

  • You'd think so ay? Funnily enough, I think it was an Australian who came up with the SAW movies :)

  • @whipcrackeraus Well thats one of many, and a lot more gory movies too, like hostel lol

  • Al you can say is Stupid....

    Adults know what they should play

    Its not the goverments choice to force them on what they do

  • games don't make people voilent, society does

  • Holy shit no way? A guy who actually looked at the evidence, listened to coherant, sensible explenations and exercised logic? I am baffled! You are awesome, droopy eyed bald guy!

  • having and R18+ rating doesn't mean we will have even more violent games. It just give a better understanding on what is suitable for the appropriate age group. And if a games it is ultra violent then it probably does deserve to get banned

  • Thank you! And I know only one game they can definitely ban, that Japanese game, RapeLay, that I'll understand completely, because, dude, that's so screwed up I don't even want to see who made that game.

  • Michael Atkinson needs to be exposed for how he would spend all that time trying to violate adults rights (when there has been no solid evidence that violent video games caused any violent acts) rather then help out people in real crisis situations.

  • 1:25 "violence should be banned"

    good luck with that

  • I agree with you there dude, violence is everywhere, I even played GTA when I was a kid, even Doom...um, what game came out in the PC that was 3D and if you stayed in the water too long you'd drown? And I'm not an insane person dude.

  • lol porn never affected me : )

  • we know superman movies don't convince people they can fly. why would violent games convince people they can kill people in the real world?

  • I seriously doubt the people bring violence onto the streets play games regularly.

  • that guy from melbourne is the biggest dumbass ive ever seen , ignorant jackass

  • @DeformedSeaBass i know right i just wanna bitch slap that guy

  • Violence should be banned.

    Contact sport

    The Defence force

    Television

    Movies

    Parliment hour, shows verbal abuse, that can have the same effect.

    Good luck with that

  • so there's more violence in our community and schoolyards? that's not what the debate is about, it's consenting adults, the misconception that only kids play games is the main thing that's holding back any open-minded debate on this with dinosaurs like atkinson. what a twat.

  • Agree, dude, my dad played and loved Doom 3, he's not a crazy man that wants to shoot people.

    Heck, I know an adult that plays RE series AND I played a bunch of violent games in my youth, I'm not a psychopath.

  • I hate the Australian government. This is meant to be a free country, and yet two words always come up "censorship" and "suppression". It's sad. We should all have the right to choose what we want to play. There are hundreds of thousands of us who play GTA and MW2, and yet not one of us are going out and shooting someone like this dickhead implies. Video games are an escape, not a catalyst for violence. The ones that do lose it are fucked up in the head in the first place.

  • You sir are my preacher!

    Your words are so true man, this should really get them to do their jobs right!

  • if you want to know just how stupid the "journos" on this show are check out there hard hitting look at the Masons. It's hilarious! Put face to face with the one of the most evil organizations in history and.... just check it out! lol

  • the guy talks as though the violent games are all over the street and the school and that there is total chaos. whats wrong with this guy

  • I know, these people are stupid visit gamersofcroydon and rally for political pressure towards this issue.

    R18+ for Australia!

  • There's no modern issue quite like violent video games to make people sound like out-of-touch morons. Thanks, David Galbally, for stepping up to the plate.

    "Violent videos"? We're talking about GAMES. If you want to give your opinion on an issue, the least you can do is get your terminology right.

  • Wow this David Galbally has no clue (and no facts) about this topic (or psychology/statistics) how can someone get on national tv and speak shit for two minutes? The Most important lesson in statistical psychology "Correlation doesn't prove causation" There is no (no, none at all) evidence that supports what David is saying is fact, unfortunately to the large mass of people who have no psychology or statistics education, it makes sense and they believe it... so ignorance wins here... like always

  • (david galbally) spoken like a true 50 + year old who hates his kids playing games and wants them to get out on the monkey bars. You dont know fucking anything.. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr lol

  • Ok thats it im flashing my xbox now cause there not gonna fucking give us an R18+

  • Mr Gallbally QC does not strike me as knowing much about the specific issues regarding games rather than other media. It is very silly to ban these games, it just encourages piracy, and disenables parents.

  • fuck these douchebags.

  • i think david was slightly not with it, he kept saying 'violent videos' rather then games

    he also, for some reason, thinks that games will cause violence due to showing violence but movies that show the same amount of violence are completly immune

    also isn't it every person's right to view/not view what they want? isn't that part of a democracy?

  • at ur last comment, no not part of a democracy. it is the way a democracy is set up.

  • he reminds me of my parents.. * im playing my xbox 360*... "ryan turn down that bloody playstation 2 I cant hear" .. "dad you still have a set of eyes that work? this is xbox which I have been playing for two years now.. that, *points to corner* is the playstation which has not been played for 3 years." FUCKING IGNORANCE

  • Seems like our Aussie friends have their own version of Jack Thompson.

    This prick served in your parliament for 20 years? Shit that sounds like Senator Palpatine, refusing to relinquish power because he was in fact a Sith Lord. Hopefully this guy, like Jack Thompson will self destruct as his own evil can no longer contain itself.

    You can get more violence (that is REAL violence) in an hour of The Local News than you could playing any video game.

    Commies always want more government.

  • @SmokePropaganda damn rite

  • I know, it's creepy as hell.

    If there's more like them we're screwed.

    It took Thompson how long before his butt got kicked out of the job?

  • The good thing is people like this dude and Thompson are so full of hate they self destruct.

    Sort of like a Sith Lord lol.

    Thompson made such an ass of himself he was disbarred. A Florida Judge pretty much threw the book at him.

  • the guy in melbourne NEVER answered ANY questions he was asked, he was always 'well just let me say this' or 'here are the facts' answer the question!

  • This guy is the biggest fucking douche ever!!!

    Seriously, games don't make violent people where the fuck does this guy get his research?!!!

    The only violent urge I have at the moment is to punch this guy in the throat!!!

  • oh yeah by the way CIGARERRETES ARE INHEALTHY THEY GIVE YOU (and those around you) CANVER.

    videogames dont give you cancer

  • umm helo

    why wouldn't watching violent videos lead to violent behaviour

    and once you 18!!!!! you have (suposedly) matured enough to make your own decisions

  • lol that david guy is such a dick

  • wht do u think is on this guys dvd shelf??? bambi, the sound of music, snow white, communism for dummies, how to create a nazi state in 10 mins lol what a wank tard.

  • THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN

  • They just passed a new law in South Australia

    All R18 films must be removed from other non R18 DVD areas and put into a seperate area, hidden from children. Basically, next to the fucking Porn section!

    WTF is wrong with my state, don't answer that! lol there are many things wrong, but this is the most bullshit piece of garbage i have ever seen! So now if i go to rent the Hangover i have to go to the Porno section and look like a creep!

  • i feel sorry for you skippy. i live in nsw but i am still pissed off about this new law. but it is not "they" it is a "i". yes ONE GUY did this trying to put it under the radar and it is the same ONE GUY who makes sure a r18+ rating for games is not avaliable this one guy is the reason why all of our games are getting changed and this guys name is micheal fuck face atkison

  • @theSkippyspartan Stupid innit? Thats prob why LFD2 got so sensored

  • It pisses me off when people use the excuse "Think about the Children"

    The only people who say that are the parents who can't do their duty as parents, and so blame it on society.

    Trust me, hiding this stuff from kdis will only make them want to watch it even more!

    If the church tells me i can't watch porn, i will fucking watch it!

    This is nothing but censorship!

  • Here Here! My folks taught me ealier in life when I was a kid to never do sh*t I see in movies and video games, and look at me, a happy and contempt horror flick loving, zombie bashing lady gamer.

  • I also hope the film companies in Australia and even 21st century FOX unit and do something about this, because this will destroy the income of most companies, and sales will drop for some of Australias best R18 films! I most definatly will not be voting for Labor next election or whatever party these jokers belong too. I probs vote for Xenophon!!

  • Skippy, you have a shoulder to cry on,

    I'm American, but I agree, it isn't cool to put good games and movies next to those porno DVDs and probably games, guess adults won't be getting their favorite games and dvds without being looked like a total pervert. Dude, at least put them away from the Porno section and put them in a different spot that don't embarrass those who go there to get Quake or something.

  • @theSkippyspartan sorry for lolling at that! xD but that is hilarious!

  • soon their going to ban mmos for obesity

  • What non-gamers don't get is the fun and comradarie in said "violent games."

    The objective isn't commit all the violence you can, its having a good laugh with your friends and sharing entertainment together.

  • ill agree, the average age of a gamer is 28.

    Left for Dead 1 & 2, sure it contains blood and violence. but if anything it was all about Working together to survive, hence building friendships and team orientated...

    then again most of these politicians grew up with the Atari...why didn't they ban Pac- man for popping pills to complete a level ?

  • @Reoh0z

    yes, and games arnt muder simulators, they are a medium for immersive narrative

  • Damn I hate that Galbally. It's not "why do we need this?" It's "why not?" And there's no demonstrable reason not to have them - just because he doesn't like them. We don't need more violence in society, true, but the violence isn't real and no-one is hurt.

    This is an entire nation of people. It should not be up to a small number of wusses to say what shouldn't be "allowed into the country". They make a big deal about seeing a computer model being cut up on a screen. Grow the fuck up.

  • Yea i was "affected" by porno's too when i was 13. sometimes 4 times a day when my parents weren't home. and know what? i loved it every time.

  • Hey i just bought a porno and watched a chick shit and piss on a guy....hmmmmm...this is very damaging but hey ITS LEGAL?! :S but i cant watch abit of blood squirt out of a body or legs and arms come off in a game :S

  • I agree with most of you people......but why does S.A have the power of games......if this goes on enough were gonna demand a vote......I know I want to get R rated video games so that other games cant get BANNED!

  • the average gamer is about 30 years old! stop treating gamers as children!

  • type in "Nathan hooper" into youtube. funnies video ever!! soo good

    its the first one

  • Are POKIES a R- Rated 18 + Video GAME????

  • internet filters, game censorship. I'm a little confused, I don't live in SA why does the STATE attorney general have so much power on these issues? I'm feeling a little less lucky to live in Aus.

  • @clayman1982 I'm pretty sure it's not the Internet filter that he has a lot of control over, but the reason he has veto power is because this can't be enforced at state level; people can just drive across the borders. So every AG must be in unanimous agreement about it to put it through.

    After all of Atkinson's comments in all of his interviews, I'm pretty sure that he's insane, and it doesn't look like his lackeys are breaking that trend at all, even with the drop from 50 to 10 I.Q.

  • @ultimateknowledge42 nice1, cheers bro

  • Video games don't kill people. People Kill people!

  • widely divided on the issue? what a crock of shit. 90% of people in Australia agree there should be an R18+ rating

  • 97% according to the sunrise poll

  • damn is it just me or was galbally just tralking out his ass that entire time i mean im a uni student who somethimes has to give speeches and i can tell when someone is "winging it" so to speak

  • This was surprisingly good. The presenters did a decent job of asking questions of both parties; even though David has no facts to back up ANY of his claims.

  • David Galbally QC doesn't directly answer a single question.

  • of course not, he's a QC.

  • I especially love the end: "*serioustopic-serioustopic-se­rioustopic* Nicole Kidman!"

  • videos? lol

    at least he made it known to the public...who is the sole opposition to the R rating.....Michael Atkinson has been identified

  • i think the QC knows about as much about video games as i do about yak knitting. kid wants a game, its R, parents say no.....simple. or leave the current system and said game is rated MA so kid can get it. e.g Modern warfare 2, FEAR 2 etc etc even tho they were rated 18+ in every other country

  • GGGAAAHHH you fool

  • Wow, the commentators/hosts are pretty good. The QC is talking crap out of his arse though - "I suspect", "Why wouldn't"... quote some studies, my man!

  • good thing that they're showing this segment on widely viewed tv

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