Dave Van Horn Ejected vs Auburn

[razorbackbone76]

this is awesome fires me up just watching it

[thething750]

Man, he still got it

[bryan8789]

go gettem coach

[critter2]

that should be coach cant agure*

[BenOz22]

ummmm, what?

[critter2]

weathermanfsu- now you just being a plan jackass.

but i just read read it and yes its in all levels. all i was asking was for proof of the rule. but you dont need to be so rudley about it. but it also says "coach can agure if home plate makes improper call"

[Hiei2k7]

Come on Dave, just get on out of there and head over to dickson, they're waiting.

[coachmo50]

classless coach...acting like a BABY

[OMNxBEAST]

stfu...He is very classy...the batter clearly swung, which is fine umps miss calls, but then he wouldnt appeal to first. It would have taken 1 second and it would have resulted in the correct call. That is why Van Horn was mad. You dont even know what your talking about, but it is probably because you have lost to Arkansas too many times.

[Chad121130]

All Alabama Fans Are titty baby's WAR EAGLE

[bagpiper2005]

Dave Van Horn is a titty baby.

[weathermanfsu]

If you appeal and the appeal would make strike 3 and the catcher dropped that pitch, then the runner can run. So the appeal would place the batter in jeaprody. So they put the rull in that you can not appeal a swing to the base umpire if there are already 2 strikes.

[HeathsHogs]

You should tell that to the guy I watched get called out on strikes that way in a regional game yesterday. Or I guess you should have told the umpire. I don't see why that situation puts the batter in jeopardy any more than any other dropped 3rd strike.

[chuckfan1]

Can you explain EXACTLY what happened? I find it hard to believe that on a check swing the umpire wouldnt go down to his partner. In High School you dont have to check, but at every level I know of, you need to check if asked.

Was the ball in the dirt? Was it just a normal checked swing?

[weathermanfsu]

I am slightly mistaken. There was a rule interpretation that said if there pitch was questionable to go for help ASAP. So you CAN go for help, the interpretation was just that it be done ASAP. Sorry, I got confused.

[HeathsHogs]

My memory is fuzzy at this point, but was not even checked well the bat clearly went past the front of the plate. The umpire did not appeal to first but everyone assumed he had called a strike. This is where I get fuzzy for some reason there was a break up in the rhythm I believe(pitching)coach Jorn came out to talk to the pitcher. Anyway, whatever the delay was, as the pitcher is getting reset to throw the next pitch the umpire holds up the count as 2-1 instead of 1-2 and everyone pauses.

[HeathsHogs]

The catcher makes sure the guy isn't just holding up his fingers backwards. He's told that the last pitch which everyone thought was a swing, was a ball. The confused catcher asks him to appeal to first. He refuses. Van Horn in disbelief comes out of the dugout to ask for the appeal to first since it was still the last pitch thrown. The umpire refuses. A 2-3 minute "debate" continues as Van Horn is trying to get an appeal and even goes directly to the first base umpire...

[HeathsHogs]

... Finally, the home plate umpire allows the appeal. Regardless of the facts, the first base umpire does what we all expected after this long debate and upholds the homeplate call. Of course, DVH is livid. The rest of the story is in the description. Suddenly our pitcher can't get a called strike the rest of the inning (I'm not saying everything he threw was perfect, but he was still on target with his pitches.) We end up giving up the lead. Then Van Horn goes out to get tossed.

[Bruinstyle2001]

The reason for the delay was that the catcher threw down to first. It was a botched hit and run where the ball was thrown outside. The batter lunged across the plate and made a half-hearted attempt at it.

[Bruinstyle2001]

The runner was called safe on a close play that was argued. When the next pitch was coming up, the players (catcher, pitcher, coaches) discovered that the home umpire had called it a ball. And thus the argument assumed after the home plate umpire refused to ask the first base umpire for help.

[critter2]

this is not true. Umpire dosent need to ask even if he is ask. He has only hte autoitry to ask.

[chuckfan1]

uhhhh yes it is..

Pro/College: If asked to check with his base partner, the plate umpire MUST grant this request. Check the respective rule books.

High School:

The plate umpire MAY check with his base partner. But its always a good idea to check anyways. It just looks good to check.

You are right in that he has the authority to ask. but again, in pro and college, he must, its in the rule book.

[critter2]

Ok if thats so true than how come i see many times in mlb they ask but dont go to first or thrid umpire? beacsue THEY DONT NEED TO.

[chuckfan1]

Im just telling you what the facts are. Believe em if you want. I umpire college ball, so I know what Im talking about. Dont know what your watching, but almost every single time the catcher asks the plate umpire to "get help", they do. Why?, again I tell you my critter friend, they MUST. Its the rule. In the pros and college. True they dont NEED to, but , by rule, they must. Next time you watch a game on tv, and the batter checks, the catcher will right away point to the BU, and the PU will ask

[critter2]

Like i said you not prodiving facts. Though i also check if i had a parnter.

catchers points dosent mean blue will.

I have watch mlb baseball and seen it numerous times they dont ask.

[chuckfan1]

Guess we will just have to disagree, you refuse to listen to someone who might have a little more knowledge about these things. But thats ok. Your wrong about MLB. I GUARANTEE that whenever a catcher asks the PU to get help, he always does...Its the rule, its in the OBR.

Ask any college umpire you may know..

[critter2]

i am wrong? ha i think you need to watch more games and thats not the case. your provding with links or a rule that stated for college and i tried looking up nothing.

just cause you think you have more knowedlge than me dosent mean your right now does it?

[chuckfan1]

Your right, the umpire does have the "authority" as you say. But I guarantee you, in any pro game, or college game if the catcher asks, we go to our base umpire. Ive never seen the plate umpire refuse? Why refuse? There is no reason to. If the base umpire says it was a swing, we get a strike, which is what we want. And if he doesnt, hes just confirming what the plate guy called, and satisfies the catchers request. I umpire college, so I can speak knowledgeably on this.

[daddyrusses]

Could you kindly point me to the rule number in the NCAA rule book, or better yet a point of emphasis or an approved ruling in the last say 5 years concerning this "no appealing with 2 strikes rule"? I only ask because I am not aware of that particular rule, and I would think that it would be something that I would be aware of with the amount of NCAA ball that I call.

[weathermanfsu]

I am slightly mistaken. There was a rule interpretation that said if there pitch was questionable to go for help ASAP. So you CAN go for help, the interpretation was just that it be done ASAP. Sorry, I got confused.

[chuckfan1]

Again, where in the rule book? Got one right here, and its not in there. If the catcher does not catch the pitch, and its initially ruled a ball, no swing, the catcher can appeal. If it puts the batter in jeopardy, well, the pitcher did his job then. What the umpire will sometimes do in that situation, is right away ask the base umpire, so the catcher and batter can be aware of the call, in case the base umpire overturns the call to a swing.

[critter2]

if its not in the rule book the rule dosent exist. thats what i am saying. If there a rule that states

"if the catcher ask the umpire to check swing and he has to" its not going to say that.

its focrcing the umpire to do something he judeing in another case if hte umpire calls a stirke on a close pitch he went.

the rule states "the umpire made inmproper call"

[weathermanfsu]

NCAA Rule 3-6-F Page 44 When asked by a coach or player, the plate umpire MUST seek a decision from

the appropriate base umpire regarding the checked swing. Such appeal

ONLY may be made when the plate umpire has called the pitch a ball.

Notice the use of the word "MUST"? There is no option here... The umpire has to. I have never seen an umpire not appeal when this rule has been in place!

[critter2]

you really dont need to be rude and captial the must. that shows obvisouly show off. that said thankyou for the rule and prove of it. I just read my rule book and it is diffrent it say he "may" yet the coach still dosent have a right to agure ar.1 right below it.

[buddaman200522]

@weathermanfsu This is before that rule was written, and now they must go for help

[yellvilledude]

HOGS!!! DAVE VAN HORN!!

[NebraskaFan2006]

As a Husker baseball fan, good for him!

[weathermanfsu]

What was the count at the time of the pitch that he would not ask for help on? In NCAA, you can NOT ask for help if there are 2 strikes on the batter.

[HeathsHogs]

Can't remember now, but I believe it was 1-1. Thus the uncalled strike made it 2-1 instead of 1-2. However, I have never heard such a rule that you cannot appeal with 2 strikes. I've seen the umpire ask for help many times with 2 strikes (only rarely seen a base umpire call the strike though), and it makes no sense as to why that would be in place.

[chuckfan1]

Dude...not sure where you coming up with that rule. That is not a rule, in college, pro, anywhere. I do college, and never have I heard that.

[chuckfan1]

My friend, this is not correct. Not sure where your getting your information. Can you cite chapter and verse in the NCAA rule book for this. I do college ball here in So Cal, there is no such rule as this. The umpire will only "get help" if the catcher asks, whatever the count.

[chuckfan1]

Would be nice to see video of these strikes "down the middle". Im sure you got a great view from where your at. Off to the side. And missed a "swinging" strike? Sounds like a check swing. The defense thinks the batter swung. The offense didnt. Either way its called, one side will be pissed. So he said no swing. And the umpire is wrong? Cause the call went against your team? I can tell you, no umpire at the D1 level will deliberately miss pitches "down the middle". If he did,hed be out of a job.